I will show here three paintings made by the Masters of Light through the medium Jozef Rulof.
So these paintings, as I accept it, were made by Jozef Rulof while he was in a deep trance and a Master of Light worked through his organism.
The quality of such paintings can never be perfect because a spirit is never able to take full control over a body of an earth organism. At maximum it can reach about 75 or 85% percent. The rest is needed for the basic life systems to keep the body working correctly.
During such sessions Jozef himself was taken by his personal guide, Master Alcar, on trips elsewhere in the spiritual world or the universe to learn him about all kinds of things that later would be used in his books.
Always whenever Jozef left his body several other spirits of light guarded his organism to prevent spirits of darkness to take over his body. If a Master of Light can work through his body, then so can a Master of Darkness. That has never happened.

In many of his paintings the cross and Golgotha take a primary role in the setting.
I will show three paintings that I consider some of the best that were ever made. It is my personal choice.

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Here they are:


http://www.mogenblue.nl/paintings/asp17.jpg
Golgotha


http://www.mogenblue.nl/paintings/asp12.jpg
Lifeharp of the Universe


http://www.mogenblue.nl/paintings/asp01.jpg
Twinsouls


http://www.mogenblue.nl/paintings/ajr2.jpg
Jozef Rulof on stage during a public painting session

These paintings and a few dozen more can be found on my website Spiritual Science by the University of Christ.


I have two questions.
1. Do you think this is scientific evidence for life after death?
2. Do you personally accept this as evidence for life after death?

I would appreciate answers from any of the members of this forum.

If it's evidence for you, there is no point in contesting it. Anyone can travel safely. Asking for protection and having a positive intention is enough. Everything that we experience is a learning experience, even if it is not evident to us immediately. I have always felt perfectly safe in my imaginative travels, and have learned so much about myself through many types of guided and independent meditation experiences. Certainly, great things are possible for a person who practices opening up to higher inspiration, and nothing is really surprising to me anymore, in that respect. I am certain you and I and all of us are constantly being aided by good and great spirits around us.

Mogenblue wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 10:55am:

I have two questions. 1. Do you think this is scientific evidence for life after death? 2. Do you personally accept this as evidence for life after death? I would appreciate answers from any of the members of this forum.

1. No.
2. No.
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I have a question for you, Mogenblue:

A. Do you think the retrieval of an Old Crippled Lady is scientific evidence for an afterlife?

PauliEffectt wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 12:21pm:

I have a question for you, Mogenblue: A. Do you think the retrieval of an Old Crippled Lady is scientific evidence for an afterlife?

What do you think?


PauliEffect, please stay on topic.
If you want to discuss the scientific level of your retrievel then do so in your own topic. Not here.

No.

No.

EDIT: I would not be able to accept this as proof of the afterlife unless the artist was blindfolded completely. Even a single blindfold would not be enough. I would need to encompass the test subject ( the artist ) in complete darkness. If they can still create works such as these I will accept the evidence.... However night vision cameras must be utilized with timestamps for the duration of the test to negate the possibility of fraud as well.

Focus27, please don't make Randi put us to scientific joke. There are several blind painters:

Eşref Armağan is a Turkish painter born without eyes, who has this website.

http://leisure.ezinemark.com/most-famous-blind-painters-ever-773679266583.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_artists

http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30002496/2010/11/2010-11-16-17-06-54-3-the-blind-watercolor-painter-lisa-fittipaldi.jpeg

The blind painter Lisa Fittipaldi currently living in South America began painting in 1995,
two years after she lost her sight. Lisa Fittipaldi lost her vision due to the vascular
disease in 1993 leading her job loss and hard life.

She started painting as a way to keep her world alive in her mind.
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http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30002496/2010/11/2010-11-16-17-06-54-4-such-a-wonderful-painting-is-depicted-by-her-ima.jpeg

This one is for Juditha, and every other mother who's heart had been broken too many times.
It's called Mother and child and I have it also on the home page of my website.

http://www.mogenblue.nl/paintings/asp16.jpg

What I like so much about this painting is the dark brown setting of it.
The Masters said that these paintings are a representation of the spiritual depth of those who painted them.
To me this painting resembles to some of the very dark stages that some mothers have to go through in their lives. It makes me quiet and comfortable to look at it. It's comforting for me even though I am not a mother of course, but I've had my own share of greef and disappointments in life.

Motherhood is about the holiest thing in the Spheres of Light. The Masters have said that if the word God should ever have to be replaced by a better word the preferred word would be AllMother.

PauliEffectt,

Of course blind artists can paint acceptable paintings and even good ones!

But can a person that requires sight create a painting when sight is taken away from them to prove that they are channeling a spirit? That is the issue, proving that the painter is channeling a spirit, proving that the individual is not responsible for the art that is being created.

My requirements of a scientific testing are sound ideas for testing said claims.

Focus27 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

But can a person that requires sight create a painting when sight is taken away from them to prove that they are channeling a spirit? That is the issue, proving that the painter is channeling a spirit, proving that the individual is not responsible for the art that is being created. My requirements of a scientific testing are sound ideas for testing said claims.

Well you're not going to do it with Jozef Rulof because he passed away in 1952.
Also, Jozef had no qualities to paint whatsoever. He was raised in very humble circumstances, he worked in a brush factory in Emmerich just over the border in his youth and later on moved to the Hague for the better part of his adult life.

Much of this and how his painting mediumship was developed can be found in his biography 'Jeus of Mother Crisje'.
on line available here
free pdf download here (to read off line on your pc, tablet, etcetera)

No
No
(He probably understands more about the afterlife now though.)

hawkeye wrote on Jul 31^st, 2012 at 12:00am:

(He probably understands more about the afterlife now though.)

Spiritual growth is a never ending path.

hi moganblue  thankyou so much for that beautiful painting of mother and child,it was so lovely and sweet of you to think of me,the 3 reasons that light up my life with love are my beautiful children. god bless you x

love and light  love juditha x

Mogenblue,

It's a testiment to the nature of human psychology to find meaning, patterns, symbolism, or religious connection in the world around us.  It's the way the brain works...connecting the dots to see what makes sense.  The same goes for religious faith...one finds meaning for oneself as a way to make sense of the world around us.  So why not these paintings be such proof to the person who feels it holds such meaning? 

I'm sure everyone heard about the recent movie theater shootings here in Colorado.  The next day someone took a photo over the theater and saw what they believed to be an angel formation in the clouds.  Many who saw the photo also believed it was a heavenly symbol.  I wasn't one of those who saw that from the photo.  To me, it was just typical cloud formation.  I can see why religious people saw what they wanted to see, but it did not give me new faith, belief, or proof of anything.  Maybe I'm just a person who needs a lot more than a picture.  I've had so many personal astounding spiritual experiences that will always hold much more meaning to me than someone else's claim or symbol.  I will always stand by the view that one needs his own personal experiences to find true proof if one wants to continue expanding his conscious awareness.  I would say, don't allow these paintings to be the end-all of your exploration and belief.  Keep moving your consciousness in ways that make you grow more than you could imagine.  You will find out more about yourself and the afterlife than just symbols here in the world.  And too, if something you see gives you a sense of meaning, guidance, and faith, that says to me that you're being given an opportunity to follow a path, see where it leads you on your journey.  Windows of opportunity to explore our curiosity open in all kinds of ways. 

However, these paintings don't prove anything to me about the claim of channeling or proof of the afterlife.  They don't make me believe in either of those.  Not to say that I don't believe, it's just that these paintings don't give me that.



PauliEffect....fascinating about the blind woman who can paint!!  Thanks for sharing that.

Vicky

Vicky wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

I will always stand by the view that one needs his own personal experiences to find true proof if one wants to continue expanding his conscious awareness.

In that case there is no use for anybody to read your book because they need their own personal experience to get any further.

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We've heard in Holland about the shooting in Aurora and it is terrible. It was prime time television. We have had a similar thing here some time ago in a shopping mall in Alphen aan den Rijn. People here think it is waving over from the US.

Mogenblue,

Your statement seems petty and a cheap shot, but I'll take it as an inadvertent plug for my book, so thanks, ha ha.   ;)   All teasing aside, my book and the paintings are two completely different subjects!

You stated the paintings were painted because the man who painted them was channeling a spiritual being, and you asked if seeing the paintings were proof of the afterlife because of it.  That's not the same thing as my book.  I have not claimed that my book was written because I channeled a spiritual being who told me what to write.  I wrote the book myself based on my personal experiences.  I put my book out there to be helpful and inspiring to someone who might desire to be on a path of discovery similar to my own. 

Me seeing a painting supposedly painted by a channeled spirit isn't going to give me proof of the afterlife, it's going to make me think about my beliefs about channeling.  If I were more curious about channeling, it would also make me want some direct proof of who the channeled spirit actually was, because my first concern would be that a not-so-good intentioned spirit was pretending to be someone it was not.  If I were to put my book out there and tell everyone that I wrote it while channeling a higher spiritual being,  I doubt that it would give anyone satisfactory proof of the afterlife.  But like I said, that's not what my book is.  I guess what I'm saying is, "proof" is a strong word. 

Reading a book, or seeing a painting...anything can inspire us.  These things are meant to help us be curious of our own deep search for answers.  I would hope that a person wouldn't see a painting or read a book (channeled or not) and call it proof of the afterlife!  It's my hope that people are way more curious than that.  No matter how many great books I've read of other people's experiences, I need to have my own direct experiences before I feel something is "proof".  And for the record, no I'm not interested in having my own direct channeling experience.   :o

Vicky,

Do you mean that your afterlife is something different then my afterlife?

Do you live on another planet then I?

Is your soul any different from my soul?


It is true that True Evidence and Verification is very hard to find in this area, if at all possible.
I go by my own inner feeling, my own feeling of right and wrong. And I allow myself to be helped by spirits that are more evolved then I. It saves me time and wrong decisions.
I always have my own ability to distinguish as to what I do with any information presented to me.

And I am very impressed by some of the paintings that Rulof has made.

I know I cant speak for Vicky, or anyone else for that matter, except myself but rest assured my afterlife will be definitely different than your afterlife. Now what planet we are existing on, seems to be the same. Perhaps at different levels but the same place in time. Our souls, different again. In fact I dont feel much of a connecting with yours at this point but who knows, perhaps somewhere along that long thin fiber we have something in common. I mean we do go to the same website. That has to count for something. When I look at those pictures, all I get is someone fixated on religion and/or perhaps even in fear or in awe of something they believe God to be. Wont they be surprised when they find out God has nothing to do with religion? (Oh ya, I guess hes perhaps has got that figured out by now)

Hawkeye, I hardly dare to ask at what level you exist at this moment on this planet.
I'm just too scared my spiritual eyes will be blinded by the brightness of your unconditional love.

I think the main thing hawkeye meant was that in his view each individuals afterlife is different. It moves along the same lines as to what I was talking about in another thread about creating your own fantasy world in the afterlife where you exist for a time as you transition.

I am not implying this concept is a known fact either, just my own 2 cents on it.

It fits right along with the movie What dreams may come as well. Which had that initial fantasy area created by robin williams characters mind.

I agree that each individuals afterlife can be different. There are thousands of subspheres in the afterlife.

But there are general things that can be said about the spiritual worlds of our planet. Just as there are general things that can be said about life on the physical planet. Like gravity and so.

Gees Mogy, did I hit a nerve with you? Glad I cant get blinded by stupidity and hate, or we would both be in the same situation. You see Mogy, when you put out negative energy, you get negative energy back. Hows that for my unconditional love?
Nothing says I have to connect with you, or anyone else here. Doesn't mean I think myself any higher, or better, or further along the way to spiritual happiness/awakening. I am just passing by... Adding my 2 cents worth when I think it might make a difference, or when I feel it nessassary. Believe me, there are plenty of those here who don't appreciate my comments, but I am not here to please them, or you. I am here solely for me and the energy that is close to where I presently exist. Greedy huh? So I suggest you do one of two things. Put those rose colored glasses back on, so you will only see the light you are accustomed to, or take them off and leave them off, and take a chance of being blinded by a different point of view.

PS Great movie f27. Really showed some of the "all to real"  along the lines of belief systems and there entrapments.

hehehe, here ya go:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/bztfx.jpg


Side note: This is incredibly close to Weird Science in my massive DVD library. hee hee!

hawkeye wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

Gees Mogy, did I hit a nerve with you? Glad I cant get blinded by stupidity and hate, or we would both be in the same situation. You see Mogy, when you put out negative energy, you get negative energy back. Hows that for my unconditional love? Nothing says I have to connect with you, or anyone else here. Doesn't mean I think myself any higher, or better, or further along the way to spiritual happiness/awakening. I am just passing by... Adding my 2 cents worth when I think it might make a difference, or when I feel it nessassary. Believe me, there are plenty of those here who don't appreciate my comments, but I am not here to please them, or you. I am here solely for me and the energy that is close to where I presently exist. Greedy huh? So I suggest you do one of two things. Put those rose colored glasses back on, so you will only see the light you are accustomed to, or take them off and leave them off, and take a chance of being blinded by a different point of view.

I just wanted to quote you so I can always read it back. Thank you very much.