Perhaps one of the biggest hurdles to opening up one's perceptions to the ever more "non local" and psychic in nature, is the issue of trust.  Trust relates back to the issue of fear.  Sometimes it's just a little fear of, "what if i am wrong in my perceptions?" 

  Sometimes, opening up, requires a bit of a leap of trust and going with your feelings.  I've long observed that women tend to be more consciously psychic than men.  Perhaps one of the reasons for this, is because the realm and experience of feelings and emotions has long been associated with the feminine nature and experience.  It seems that many more women then men are more in touch with that more subtle feeling side of perception. 

  I don't consider myself especially psychic at this point in my life.   Yet, it's the little experiences like i had today, which help to build up that trust, and in building up that trust, we seem to open that much more.  Today, i took my client to a frozen yogurt place that i only once in a great while go to.  Since my client is moderately autistic and not particularly talkative or interactive, and gets really focused on food, i was sitting there eating my yogurt somewhat bored because i might as well not have existed at that point in my young friend's reality. 

  So, i was looking around and observing others a bit.  I observed the young woman who had served us a few minutes before.  She had an interesting, slightly different vibe.  Something about her struck me as artistic and sensitive in nature. 

  Feeling that out, i got a flash impression of her playing the piano, and it being something important to her. 

   I thought about asking her about this, but a part of me doubted and was like, "what's the point, you're probably wrong anyway, and besides, she'll think you weird or creepy." 

  However, the nudge to talk to her was more persistent, and so on our way out, i decided to go up to her and ask her about this.  "I have an odd question for you, do you happen to play the piano?"  Pause, and intently looking into my eyes at this point, she replied, "Yes i play the piano."  Seeing her face look more and more puzzled, i said, "Oh, well that's funny, because for some reason i got a strong impression that you play the piano." 

  She replied, probably a bit nervous or confused, "thank you"   I'm not sure what she was thanking me for, but i warmly said my goodbyes and left. 

   So, despite it being a kind of small and minor experience--to some extent, there was a bit of one of those "trust leaps".   I figured before i got up to ask her, "what's the worse that could happen, that you're wrong, so what". 

  Not quite related, but also another recent experience is the great Chicken caper we experienced recently.  Becky and i bought a couple of chickens this last Saturday for eggs.  We had also gotten a hutch with doors that have both hooks and latches.  After letting them graze in the backyard for awhile and getting acquainted with each other, we had to go somewhere and it was soon to be dark, so we put them in the hutch and Becky swears she closed and put the hook on the door. 

  When we came back, a few hours later, i went to check on them, and saw that the door was wide open and no chickens to be found...  What did happen to those chickens we had named Gertrude and Gladys (Becky's idea, not mine btw  ;)  )??? 

  No idea, figured it might have been our more clever and curious cats, but they wouldn't admit anything beyond a gleam of mischevious look in their eyes.  That Sat. night it poored, and it rained the next day. 

We looked for them, since, sporadically, but could find no trace.  That was until, yesterday, a neighbor of ours said he spotted the dark one, Gertrude, near his property.  He tried to shoo her down to our place, but decided to knock on teh door to get me.  By the time i came out with him, she had vanished like Houdini again.  I searched up and down the road for her, and not seeing a single feather or hearing a single squack, i gave up.  But, being the persistent Fixed Rising sign and Capricorn Goat Sun sign i am, i continued my quest a bit later, but again to no avail. 

  However, this time, when i came back home, i felt nudged to try something different.  I prayed.  I said something like, "If it is the Creative Forces Will, please return Gertrude (the one spotted earlier and the one i was looking for) home soon."  Then, i let go and let Source, so to speak.

  Some hours later, while traveling together, Becky gets a call on her cell phone from a number she didn't recognize.  She had the day before, printed off a few flyers and put them in some mail boxes.  Apparently, her intuition guided her to where she put them, because the man on the phone explained the perplexing situation, "Well, i went out to get my mail today, saw a flyer about a chicken, and then happened to notice that a chicken was in my yard."    He, not knowing anything about chickens, didn't know if he could catch her, but wanted to let us know at least that he saw her and told us where he lived. 

  A couple hours later, he called back, and told us that he and another neighbor had successfully retrieved Miss Gertrude.  It was a sad irony, which we couldn't help but laugh a bit at despite being mostly vegetarian, that the neighbor friend only had a Bojangles (like KFC) box on hand to put her in.  Poor Gertrude, bad enough being lost for almost 5 days in the "wilderness", then getting stuffed in a Bojangles box.   That's got to come close to experiencing a temporal Chicken hell. 

  Anyways, point is, she came back that same day after the prayer.  Again, trust and a bit of a leap of faith involved. 

 

Really enjoyed reading this and it's just what i'm going through as well. That great trust in the universe.

I recieved the following message once in a mediation / writing session:

You’ll be with the light soon, but you wanted to learn about trust. You need to trust in the unseen. Don’t believe, trust. Trust is different. Trust is surrender and allowing life to flow. Flow like a river, in the direction you’re destined. Feel the surge of energy as you write this, who is talking? Who is typing? It is all you, you’re trusting what is coming and you’re typing the words as they come. Let them fall out and down on the page. The world is there to experience about trust. Trust is immersing yourself is something whole heartedly. Trust has no fear. Trust doesn’t need to be defended. Trust isn’t worth fighting about. Trust knows.

Justin,

I'm not trying to stir up argument here, but do you see your events as any different from mine?  I say that I receive and perceive information from my "Guidance" and that I trust and follow it.  You seem to be describing the exact kind of thing. 

Yet how come when I tried to talk about it before in another thread, the subject became a debate about the fact that perhaps I'm not challenging myself by channeling a high level being as opposed to low level beings?  That made no sense to me, as all I was saying was that I don't feel a sense of information coming from a being.  Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  But it's the same as what you have, and what everyone else has.  Maybe I just didn't describe it well enough to make that clear, but I see no difference in the way in which I use my own perception and what you've described above.  So not to dredge up that old argument....but do you feel you received the information about the woman as a piano player as coming to you from some high level or low level being or something in between?  Or what?  I have yet to be able to pinpoint it to something as that, so I simply call it my Guidance.  I think Bruce used that word and that's where I adopted it from.  Or maybe I got it from somewhere else.  All I know is, I just trust the feeling and perception I receive, just as you did about the woman who plays piano.   

So, your piano example is perfect...exactly the kind of thing I experience all the time.  I could describe tons of ways in which the information comes to me, but the technical stuff doesn't matter.  You are right, trust what you feel and receive, then verify what you can.  It builds confidence and opens perception even further. 

  Thought you might appreciate that post Outsidecreative.  Nice words about trust.  It almost sounds a bit like the true meaning of the word "faith", which i see as a combo of integrating positive trust, humility, and deeper intuition together.   

Vicky wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

Justin, I'm not trying to stir up argument here, but do you see your events as any different from mine?

  Not necessarily.  I mentioned a few times before that i get the sense that you usually get guidance from what you have called your Higher self level. 

 
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I say that I receive and perceive information from my "Guidance" and that I trust and follow it.  You seem to be describing the exact kind of thing.

   Yes, it's a very similar kind of process.  Before, when i was addressing what you were saying, i was talking in context of a more universal and impersonal process in relation to others about guidance, though addressing what you had specifically said.  So much of what we experience in relation to guidance relates to Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like and/or the principle of specific requests of assistance. 


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Yet how come when I tried to talk about it before in another thread, the subject became a debate about the fact that perhaps I'm not challenging myself by channeling a high level being as opposed to low level beings?

  That's not exactly how i remember my position or perspective before.  I was more trying to point out in a more impersonal and universal manner, for the benefit of others (especially any potential newbies), of the necessity of asking more specifically for the help and assistance of only those most intune with the Light or PUL.   


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That made no sense to me, as all I was saying was that I don't feel a sense of information coming from a being.

  Some guidance comes from our own system of consciousness, our Disk, I/there, Higher self, Expanded Consciousness Essence or whatever you prefer to call it (i prefer the last label) and some comes from other systems of consciousness--other individuals.  Some people sometimes get "guidance" from what i think of as "imposters".  These imposters can and do give us accurate info about material reality.  It's possible that i received this information from a limited, imposter level, but since i was in good spirits and mind frame at the time, and since i'm more mature and balanced overall, it probably wasn't the case in this instance. 


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Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  But it's the same as what you have, and what everyone else has.  Maybe I just didn't describe it well enough to make that clear, but I see no difference in the way in which I use my own perception and what you've described above.  So not to dredge up that old argument....but do you feel you received the information about the woman as a piano player as coming to you from some high level or low level being or something in between?  Or what?

  In this particular case, it was probably from my own system of consciousness or "ECE" tapping into the collective data bank and attuning myself to her consciousness more specifically.  More in the "middle" so to speak.  What degree of "guidance" we attune to, depends on various factors.  Primarily it relates to our momentary states of feelings, our specific conscious and unconscious intents, and degree of balance and then our overall maturity levels.   

Our feeling states are a good clue to where we are at within any given moment in our attunement.  If we are feeling more positive and loving, and thinking more positive and loving, then if we are also connecting to guidance, then we will tend to reach further up, so to speak and often get more clear messages.  If there are blocks and if our feelings, thoughts, and intents are not as positive, this tends to connect to more limited levels of consciousness (whether within or without self).  However, one can also get very "clear" messages then, because it's the slower vibratory levels of consciousness which are in a sense "closer" to us inphysicals to begin with, and thus they are easier to perceive for most inphysicals.

  Sometimes when we are asking for and trying to attune to the most expanded levels of guidance, it can be harder to more consciously receive the info because the info and the sources are so expanded and fast vibratory in nature, and yet, we need to make the attempt and choose these, for these can help us even more than our own ECE's.  However, these often work WITH and through our own ECE's and connections to same, so that we can perceive them to some extent.


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I have yet to be able to pinpoint it to something as that, so I simply call it my Guidance.  I think Bruce used that word and that's where I adopted it from.  Or maybe I got it from somewhere else.  All I know is, I just trust the feeling and perception I receive, just as you did about the woman who plays piano.

  Like i said a few times before, i think you are a more mature consciousness and usually in touch with your Higher self when it comes to guidance.  Some, however are not.  Some connect to very limited and limiting energies indeed.  It would be helpful if more knew about the differences and the different levels and "types" of guidance.  Again, imposters can and will send some accurate info through.


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So, your piano example is perfect...exactly the kind of thing I experience all the time.  I could describe tons of ways in which the information comes to me, but the technical stuff doesn't matter.  You are right, trust what you feel and receive, then verify what you can.  It builds confidence and opens perception even further.

  I know you do Vicky--we have worked together in other lives and in other dimensions.  You are doing well on your path.  While i think trust and faith is very important, at the same time, i also think discernment and discrimination is also important. 

  I see this as a necessary balance of the Yin/Right brain (trust, being open and receptive, feeling/sensing, etc) and the Yang/Left brain side of us which relates to logic, interpreting, and the awareness of necessity of discernment and discrimination.  I've been involved with the New Age scene for quite awhile now, and one thing i've sensed again and again is that there is needed much more discernment and discrimination within these circles. 

  Again, before, i was less addressing just you and your experiences in a personal manner, but more speaking in a more universal and impersonal manner for the benefit of others in a more collective sense.  It's important that more people understand that guidance is not a black and white thing and that there are various shades of grey involved with the process.  Especially for those in less centered and less intune and joyful periods in their life, it's so important for them, if they are to seek guidance, to specifically ask for the help of the most spiritually helpful, Universally Loving, aware, etc. sources.  Those more centered and/or those more mature don't need to be as careful necessarily, because through their expanded vibratory rates they tend to automatically connect to more helpful and expanded levels of consciousness. 

  Here is a very good outer source talking about "guidance", different levels, etc from The Monroe Institute. 
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/resources/downloads/cat/explorer-series

Play #32, and especially "Ah So" (who comes in later), speaks very well on the whole nature of guidance and the importance of seeking for the highest when it comes to guidance, talks about the different levels, the reality of interfering levels, etc   Ah So strikes me as a very wise and aware consciousness (more so than many of the guidance entities that came through the Explorers), and much of what he talks about is similar to what i point out regarding these issues--though we use different words at times. 

  Please know, Vicky, that often when i talk to others here, i'm often addressing concepts with a larger audience in mind, and that i'm rather impersonal and universal in nature by tendency (as indicated by my heavy dose of Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces--Jupiter, Neptune, Solar, Uranus and Arcturus energies).  You are more personally oriented than i tend to be.  This difference can and has caused some misunderstandings between us.  My intent was to give clear, holistic and more universally applicable information regarding the nature of connecting with and receiving guidance. 

I was not trying to upset you, but i'm sorry that i did.  You seem to view us as antagonists now, because i disagreed with you on some things before.  I don't see or feel the same way about it.  A spiritual friend recently had a dream partially about me and i will just relate the part about me.  He saw others and me in a class room and i was "wrestling" with others, but he could tell i was doing so in a playful and positive manner.  I interpreted it as that i do challenge people, but usually do so with positive and well meaning intent.  My own guidance and experiences have challenged me in various ways.  Without challenge and stretching, we do not grow as much.

  We are all teachers and students to and with each other.  While i have come to understand that i came here to teach and retrieve, i'm also in the process of learning and i do learn from you and others around me sometimes as well.  I see us as co workers.  The most important thing about this journey, is growing in our living, awareness and expression of Love, but Love is not always fluffy and pink ribbons.  Those who are more mature and further along in their path, can handle more direct challenge, directness, etc.

  Related, is Ah So and Rosie's (ROMC/Rosalind A. McKnight) Guidance Team and their chiding of Bob Monroe and Rosie about their diets and health lifestyles.  Both Bob and Rosie were told that if they didn't shape up regarding these important facets of getting into greater attunement with guidance, that this Guidance team was going to stop working in that manner with Bob and Rosies.   Rosie, at least, took this more seriously and made some changes.  (Bob, like Edgar Cayce, seemed to have a real problem with discipline in this area, for some reason). 

This is what i call the "Tough Love" side of PUL/Love. Yet, positive intent was behind the challenge.  Bob and Rosie were more mature consciousnesses who could handle and potentially benefit from this more direct and challenging guidance. 

   

   Also Vicky, on a more personal note, when i was talking to you before, i was in a less centered space.  I had recently found out some very upsetting and disturbing information re: the potential fate of humanity. 

  It took awhile to process this info and balance myself once again.  To some extent, some of what i had said, or rather the manner in which i said it, was because i was feeling unusually emotional at the time (not my norm). 

   It was a deeply upsetting experience for me, that dream message and a bit frustrating how little others seemed to understand my concern.

I'm speaking for the general, larger audience as well Justin when I say this...that I like most people understand things much more effectively when I'm personally engaged or affected by them.  So your dreams and insights are yours and will be difficult for you to make people see what you believe you've seen.  It's not so much about right and wrong or belief, but is more about personal experience. 

If we look at the concept of receiving guidance in a broader sense, it's really along the same lines as using our own best judgement.  Like you mentioned a mood you were in affecting you...it's like that for everyone.  If I'm in a great mood, everything affects me differently than when I'm in a bad mood. 

I believe how we each respond to our own inner/spiritual guidance is the same thing.  You take the viewpoint of putting the judgement on the guidance/information itself, as well as its source.  That's one way to look at it.  So too, another way to look at it is to put the judgement on the person's mood.  I think there's a lot to be said about our own filter of perception and how we believe we're perceiving what's really there, rather than realizing that we don't know for sure what's really there to perceive....all we know is our interpretation of what we believe we're perceiving.  There's no doubt about it, no one will receive a clear channel of guidance or information.  It's all always going to be bent a little according to our Interpreter.  There's nothing really wrong about that.  It's all part of the learning/growing process we go through being human beings. 

What Bruce teaches about Perceiver-Interpret is such great information not only for retrievals and perceiving "out there", but for everyday perception as well. 

Vicky wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 11:13pm:

I'm speaking for the general, larger audience as well Justin when I say this...that I like most people understand things much more effectively when I'm personally engaged or affected by them.  So your dreams and insights are yours and will be difficult for you to make people see what you believe you've seen.  It's not so much about right and wrong or belief, but is more about personal experience.

  I understand the above Vicky. However, being in a human body and not at the vibratory level of pure Light yet, it's easier to know and say this intellectually than when in the midst of such affecting experiences.  While someone else experiences and insights are not our own and we can't be expected to necessarily "believe in" another's info, we can at least try to understand where they are coming from and understand their deeper intent.    This is the beginning of tolerance and compassion. 

It didn't seem like you or most, at the time, were trying to understand my intent and where i was coming from in talking about what i talked about.  You and others focused on the surface level, and became quite intolerant and personally judgmental.  Lucy even strongly implied that i have narcissistic personality disorder.  Pat told me i should leave.  I elicited some rather strong and emotional reactions from some of you, curiously. 

 
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If we look at the concept of receiving guidance in a broader sense, it's really along the same lines as using our own best judgement.  Like you mentioned a mood you were in affecting you...it's like that for everyone.  If I'm in a great mood, everything affects me differently than when I'm in a bad mood.

  Yes, i agree.  Not directly related to the above.  Expanded levels of guidance are not as emotionally attuned as us in physical humans, however, it's a common misunderstanding that these Consciousnesses don't feel things like concern, urgency, and the like.   The difference between us and them, in this area, is that they feel this more for others and us humans specifically. 

That sense of concern and urgency was very strongly communicated to me via that, and other messages.  To understand and know that even these expanded levels of Guidance feel that degree of concern and urgency about these issues was quite affecting. 

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I believe how we each respond to our own inner/spiritual guidance is the same thing.  You take the viewpoint of putting the judgement on the guidance/information itself, as well as its source.  That's one way to look at it.  So too, another way to look at it is to put the judgement on the person's mood.  I think there's a lot to be said about our own filter of perception and how we believe we're perceiving what's really there, rather than realizing that we don't know for sure what's really there to perceive....all we know is our interpretation of what we believe we're perceiving.  There's no doubt about it, no one will receive a clear channel of guidance or information.  It's all always going to be bent a little according to our Interpreter.  There's nothing really wrong about that.  It's all part of the learning/growing process we go through being human beings.  What Bruce teaches about Perceiver-Interpret is such great information not only for retrievals and perceiving "out there", but for everyday perception as well.

  Yes, Bruce's information about Perceiver-Interpreter is good information, and yet that is not exactly what i was addressing.  There is a lack of certain information in Bruce's work.  One such lack is the awareness and discussion of hindering forces involved with this world.  Another is the degree of how much "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like" Law is involved with so much of both connection to different levels Guidance and to how accurate or inaccurate one tends to translate. 

  Basically speaking, the more positively balanced (between physical, mental and spiritual levels) and mature a person (consciously attuned to and channeling PUL Consciousness), the more they will tend accurately perceive and moreover, the more and more broadly and holistically they will perceive.  To some extent Bruce does address this a bit, for he talks about PUL and it's perception expanding nature.  He does mention that the more a person opens to PUL, the wider their perception becomes.   

  Another important factor besides, Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, is the issue of experience and practice.  Generally, the more practice and experience with this kind of translating of nonphysical info into physical understanding and concepts, the more it helps and makes clear as well.  Bruce does talk about this some. 

  But, as much as i like and respect Bruce and his info, i've realized that i'm walking a different path in certain respects and need to leave behind his work some after spending awhile focusing strongly on it.  There is much more going on than just the issues of Interpreter-Perceiver. 

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There is much more going on than just the issues of Interpreter-Perceiver.

I disagree.  Everything you think you know still falls within the realm of your own perception and interpretation.  In life.  In death.  You'll always be within the framework of your own awareness of perception and interpretation. 

I and others here who complained to you were only intolerant of your repeated preaching because it was as if you were trying to get the kind of responses you wanted.  I'm sure your true intent wasn't to try to get coddling, right?  I'm sure your true intent was to change the world from the sure-fate that you had foresaw coming if the world did not get a wakeup call soon, right?  So no, we weren't intolerant of your intentions, we were intolerant of your behavior.  There's a huge difference. 

You cannot really ask for understanding and compassion.  The true essence of those things must be experienced deep within a person and cannot be sought after or taught.  You can't shift awareness from connection to your true nature over to one of an intention for what you want for someone else to feel.  When you do that, you've shut down awareness to the connection to your true nature.  No matter how good your intentions are, you're not responsible or in charge of making others feel what you want them to feel.  For me, I think that's one of the hardest of life's lessons.  We can't "want" people to react and feel how we want them to.  That intention never has good results.  But the way you approached the woman, asking her about her obvious passion, playing the piano...that little act of grace and trust and openness had more of the true nature of your intent than anything else you could have said to her.  I'm sure you "taught" her something, "opened" something in her.  It will have some good affect on her, and not what you'd know or expect.  That, to me, is the true essence of faith and trust.  Being in the state of being of actually feeling those things is more powerful than intent.  But it's how we decide to act on it which really moves us, and others. 

I like that you took the risk of speaking to that stranger and asking her that personal question.  I actually had a somewhat similar experience.  I knew that a complete stranger was named Steve.  You know me, I just couldn't resist walking up to him to ask "Are you Steve?"  I know that was weird and silly, but the look on his face when he said yes was priceless. 

So it's not about the guy's name, or the fact that that woman can play the piano.  It's about perception.  It didn't matter what you (or I) perceived, but that we noticed it, acknowleged it, trusted it, and responded to it.  Those are the tools which teach us how to open and connect to our true essence.  I used to get so mad at having pointless psychic experiences.  I wanted BIG experiences. Then I realized that the experience itself wasn't what was important.  It was the opportunity to connect with my spiritual being, that bigger "me" who is there guiding me, trying to get through to me.  I realized that the things I thought I should be learning weren't as important as the lessons I needed to learn that I wasn't aware of.  I finally realized there was purpose in the experiences I was having.  My Guidance knows what it's doing, and to get through to me it ends up finding stupid little pointless psychic experiences in my life to make me get that wakup call and go "Oh yeah, there's this connection I have to a greater part of myself that I'm hardly ever aware of.  This is an opportunity for me to be and feel connected."  I still have to remind myself to stop analyzing, stop asking why, stop wondering what the purpose is.  I have to remind myself to live in the moment, be conscious in the moment.  Every moment is an opportunity for consciousness.

Justin, you always compliment me by saying how advanced I am.  But I don't see me that way.  I see the potential in me for learning, but I learn in baby steps.  The way I've learned to open to my Guidance has been huge for me.  I feel passionate about passing along what I've learned.  Even my little mundane psychic experiences teach me a lot.  I'm no longer griping about the fact that I'm not getting world-changing psychic experiences.  I'm just thankful that I'm recognizing and feeling the spiritual connection to a greater part of my being.  It's why I like to talk about this kind of stuff.  It makes sense to me.  It's stuff I can actually relate to. 

Vicky,
All things are relative (I don't actually believe that). But in the case of spiritual maturity, or development, I think it is true. At least we are all on spiritual paths which are relative to each other. Justin comments on your spiritual maturity, but you don't see it that way. You see yourself in a totally different light. And I wish that I had an iota of your daily awareness. We are all speaking in tongues to each other, trying more or less vainly to describe what we see as "ultimate reality" or truth. And yet, there is a commonality to all of our experiences, a grain of truth that transends our inability to accurately describe what we see and feel in a way that is faithful. The interpreter cannot keep the essence of the thing away from us, and that is what resonates with those that we speak to. When I read a post from you, or Justin or anyone else here, I look for the essence that our personalities, interpreters, belief systems and vocabularies cannot muck up in the translation. And I see this essence in so much of what I read here, that it keeps me lurking around. The trajectory of a thread is facinating to watch. This one began in a notably calm tone, and  yet is now starting to sizzle with personal intent and counter-intent, as so many do. The harder we try to explain, the more muck there is to clear away to get to the essence. That doesn't mean we should stop trying, though!

Hi Bardo,

Yep I agree!

I am slowly learning what it means to let go of my ego or not act from it, but from my source.  It is not at all what people think on an intellectual basis.  It is not a loss of consciousness or uniqueness or merging into a mindless void.  It is a recognition of actions that stem from our heart, instead of our self centeredness. It is a........mindfulness for me.

Hi Matthew,

I'm slowly learning that too and have to remind myself to feel it, and remind myself what it is when I do feel it.  I like how some put it, calling it a state of being the observer or witness.  It really does change one's perspective of life's situations and events and how we feel affected by them and how we feel we want to respond.  Yes, not at all about losing one's sense of who they are, but just shifting your sense of awareness.

  Vicky, i only mentioned your maturity because it was in a larger context of trying to point out that it's your maturity which enables you to connect more usually to your Higher self. 

  Again, not all others necessarily have that benefit.  This is why Ah So and i specifically advise people in how important it is to come up with a direct intention and affirmation to ask for the assistance of the highest. 

   I was not trying to flatter you, and i do not care if you see yourself that way or not, it's not germane to the larger "points" i am trying to make, which is not about you or i in a personal sense, but about the larger process and how it applies to all relating to the rule sets or Universal Laws built into all physical and nonphysical reality in this Universe. 

Re: the rest of what you wrote about me, it's probably best for me to remain silent. I have made some mistakes in the near past.  You seem to be holding onto limiting feelings generated in the past in relation to me, and acting and talking partially from that space.   How many times do i need to apologize to you and tell you that i was wrong before you forgive me?  Forgiveness and Love are the highest teachings there are.

  Vicky wrote regarding my words about there being more to the process than the Perceiver-Interpreter: 
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I disagree.  Everything you think you know still falls within the realm of your own perception and interpretation.  In life.  In death.  You'll always be within the framework of your own awareness of perception and interpretation.

  No my friend, while you & i will always be an individual to some extent, there will come a time when we truly know, experience, and live PUL in it's fullness and this Consciousness sets us free from all limitations.  When you truly realize your Oneness with the Whole, then you can and will you view from All perspectives, and can know Reality as is.  For, we are both a part of and yet also in our Oneness, can know/be the Whole and that Source perspective.   If we become One with Source as we truly already are but have covered over our awareness, then do you not think that you and all others can transcend your limited and limiting perceptions and interpretations?

  This is the very meaning and example of the man Yeshua and his life--pure channel of and completely at One with Source and PUL on Earth and hence, Source among us.  We all have this potential, if we would just choose it. 

Anyone can connect to their higher self, mature or not, experienced or not.  Your definition of what that kind of connection means is obviously different from mine. 

I know you weren't trying to flatter me.  And no forgiveness is truly necessary.  You express your thoughts, and I express mine.  There's no true need for forgiveness.  If you feel apologetic to me, it's more about how you were affected by what you said than how I feel.  I don't need an apology because it doesn't change anything.  You and I still see things how we each see them. 

But there's no need to keep going over these definitions of things.  I simply do not have the same beliefs of "Source" and "oneness" that you have, don't have the same definitions of those things, and therefore you're going to think your right and I'm going to think I'm right.  The only true "right" there is is that we each have the glory of being able to have our own truth as we know it. 

Vicky wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Anyone can connect to their higher self, mature or not, experienced or not.  Your definition of what that kind of connection means is obviously different from mine.

  Yes they can, with the proper awareness of how Reality works and the Laws which govern same.  Less mature folks, on their own without this proper awareness or practice, tend to connect to more limited and limiting levels and forces.  That's all i am saying, and have been saying.  It's what Ah So also tries to point out in that guidance session.

  Those more mature and centered automatically tend, on average, to connect more with their Expanded Consciousness Essence or even more expanded levels than that, for our ECE's are neither fully Christed until one of us, in the physical, becomes fully Christed.  Once that happens and all parts of self are retrieved, then do we move out of this Universe and become Co-Creators with Source of other Realities and individual Consciousnesses. 

Ok, now I can see where we differ greatly in what we talk about.  In my view and beliefs, there isn't just one Reality and that we live here trying to uncover all the layers until we see that Reality finally for what it truly is and once we do, we've reached our goal.  Your definition of what you aspire to in your definition of Reality, to me, is limited.  I get your intention and your point, but I don't agree with your interpretation of it.  That's all I'm saying.  You seem to be getting at the fact that we need to "reach" this destination of oneness, completeness, and sense of true self and being.  Whereas I know and believe I'm already there.  Everyone is.  It's more a matter of persective than it is about getting there.  Look at it this way Justin, you already are and already can be the oneness you desire to attain.  But for right now, a small sliver of your consciousness is "busy" being focused on having a human life existence.  Meanwhile, other parts of you are doing other things, in other focuses of reality.  Your sense of self "here" feels like it needs to attain something and reach something in order to be "whole" again.  But you already are whole, you just don't see it that way from your current perspective. 

When I have moments of the strongest connection to my Guidance/higher self that I've ever had, for a moment I don't feel that separation.  I see things differently, feel differently, all because of the difference of perspective at the moment.  It doesn't last long.  Then I'm back "here" again.  Yes, it gives a feeling of wanting/needing to aspire to it, reach it, attain it, strive to be "good enough" to have it.  The truth is, it never went anywhere.  You (or I) never really "went" anywhere.  There is no true separation, only the illusion of it. 

Didn't Bardo say it's all relative?  I agree. 

  Rather i see it as both simultaneously Vicky.  The Yin side of Consciousness knows and sees it as an inherent reality, which is relatively true.

The Yang side sees it as a striving, a co-creating, a choosing--the more active and freewill side.  This is also relatively true.

  It's when you can see, perceive, and live both simultaneously that you truly know and live the truth.  Most being imbalanced between their Yin and Yang proportions within and not having these merged within, focus on one over or for the lack of the other. 

However, in some ways, the Yang side of it, while here, is more important to counter balance the strong collective slow vibratory nature of this dimension.  It is not simply enough to "know" or understand that we are One, we are Love, we must actively live and choose that as well. 

  For, if we don't constantly choose and strive to become that Whole, and we choose to be overly passive and Yin, we stay stuck and suffering and we also help to keep the stuck parts of the Whole also stuck and suffering. 

   It is so important to wake up while in this physical focus, for if we do that, we can raise up others in their endeavor.  What is the physical?  The dense physical is that which got created, when we chose to not live Reality.  It got manifested by a collective doing this, but the Creative Forces also got involved and shaped the physical to become a level of catalyst for waking up.  They gave us the proper tools while having parts of us stuck here within our slow vibratory levels of self.  Proper tools such as proper vehicles. 

  Why are we here Vicky, if not for spiritual growth and becoming that perfection that we inherently are?   Are you wiser and more aware than Yeshua, is Bruce Moen?  He taught and teaches very differently than do you and Bruce does in certain areas, and he asks many of us daily to follow in his footsteps because it's important and it's about and for the Healing of the Whole so that Whole can be truly and fully Whole.   

  That's all i care about.  I'm done with just being human and all the limitations, attachments, etc.  During a group partnered exploration, a fellow group member got something from guidance about me, which he misinterpreted, but the message itself was clear.  He was told, "Justin is not interested in color anymore."  This means i'm interested in the White Light and in completion. 

  In this world, this makes me very strange and hard to comprehend or understand for most, and many become easily intolerant of me.  It's the same thing which the Teacher experienced in his relationships and interactions with other humans.

Regarding the perceiver/interpreter thing, I've received thousands of symbolic visual messages that have appeared to me precisely how my guidance intended them to appear.  The interpretation factor comes in when I interpret the meaning of the images.

A lot of these messages served the point of helping me grow spiritually. They pointed to aspects of mind that limited me and expanded possibilities I could tune into. The more I've responded to such hints the more I have grown.  This being the case, I do not believe I am "whole" now. Souls do go through a process of evolution.

When it comes to who we connect to, I believe that each of us has a natural tendency to connect to positive guidance.  However, going my experience and the experience of others unfrienly influences do try to mislead people.  In Ultimate Journey Robert Monroe discussed with his I-there how such unwanted contact takes place. Therefore, it is important to always be discriminitive about the kind of information we receive.

There have been times in the past when I've been overzealous with passing on information I believe to helpful.  When we share information we need to remember that if somebody hasn't asked us to play the role of their teacher then we shouldn't do so. We have to find a more cordial way to share what we've learned. Since a listener's receptiveness is the key factor that makes a difference, there is no need to use an overbearing approach (there might be occasional exceptions).

When it comes to Vicky's state of being, she seems like a person of integrity and this is really key. 

I appreciate your comment about me Albert. 

I get a lot of visual images in messages too, and I usually tend to find that the images are symbolic which means they were already interpreted and there's no more need to interpret.  Fortunately there seems to always be a factor of feeling which seems much more easy to get and never needs interpretation. 

I've noticed on certain levels of consciousness, that information coming in to my awareness (say it's about something that's going to happen in my near future) comes in first by "information" which for me is usually literal words.  It's always in the 2nd person speaking to me, and it's straight-forward need-to-know only.  Short and concise.  Along with that comes the visual picture or representation which in no uncertain terms backs up that information.  And along with that then comes feeling.  These three components are all intertwined and I notice each distinctly.  If I were to only receive the words, the feeling, or the picture I bet I'd be confused.  And in fact, years ago I was less accostomed and less experienced and I think I ended up confused and ignoring a lot of what I was receiving.  But I think I've "developed" it this way only because of the way in which I take in information and learn.  It may not always stay this way and/or may not work the same for everyone.  It's just what I've noticed in me for a few years now. 

I still have yet to receive "future" information that hasn't come true.  I suppose that when I'm finally dying, hopefully a few decades from now and not any time soon, that's when I'll know for sure if some things just are not going to come true at all.  Then I won't have much time to wonder why or figure it all out.  Oh well. 
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You're welcome Vicky:

Here's an example of a feeling I ignored. I received it before I made conscious contact with guidance. I got the feeling that I shouldn't park my car where I parked it. I ignored this feeling and when I returned to my car and I found that some cars got into accident  in a way that caused my parked car to sustain a lot of damage.

As I mentioned in the past I receive messages by hearing a voice, but such messages tend to be short and it is harder to be certain of who they came from.

There have been occasions when I received a lot of words but I have to be more disconnected from the physical than usual in order to receive them in such a way, and my short-term memory doesn't tend to retain what I heard.

I have a question for you...when you got the feeling about not parking the car there, do you remember if it was a positive feeling like a suggestion of good advice but you just ignored it?  Or would you say it was a bad feeling, like a warning or a feeling like something bad was going to happen?  I'm just curious how you remember perceiving the feeling. 

Vicky:

Just a hunch that I better not park here.

  One of the deepest things i have learned, from going deep within, is that one of the reasons, the primary reason, we are here is to "retrieve" the dense physical. 

   Particularly we do this by raising, speeding up the vibration of our own physical bodies, and also influencing others vibrations but in a way that respects freewill. 

   It is when, one aspect or "probe" of our Expanded Consciousness Essence while still in-physical, completes this process and converts their slow, dense physical body vibratory patterns into pure, super fast vibratory Expanded and free Light, that they truly come to know and experience what Yeshua called their "Sonship Eternal". 

  It is necessary, for the dense physical, is or represents that most stuck and splintered off parts of self, which started to happen originally in a pure consciousness state before the dense physical and temporary reality was even manifested.  The Earth was originally created in a less dense state--perhaps we could call it "physical", but it was not like the physical we know and focus in today.

  This happened through the experience and choosing of the little self, over the Whole self, and this is when fear was first experienced.  Fear was not known before then, and it's this selfishness and fear, which is being redeemed and retrieved by our efforts within the physical focus aka the most stuck, splintered and distorted part of ourselves. 

  Unless one is communicating with an individual who has completed this process, or you are one who completed this process, you will not know or understand or perceive what this is all truly about.  In what little humility i do have, i have decided to call upon and commune with one who has completed this process and i get info from him knowing that he is even more expanded and aware than my own E.C.E. 

  This is why it's so important to be more Yang and active in this process while here focusing on this aspect or level of self.  This is what will set self and others free.  We are kidding ourselves and deluding ourselves if we think we are free.  If we were free and not confined within our own self and collective created bondage, there would be no need for traditional retrievals of the kind most commonly talked about here. 

  If our efforts at growth, are mostly about the little self, then we can and will only reach so far in this process, but if we dedicate ourselves to affecting this completion because we care more about the Whole than our little selves, then if we truly live that daily, we can and WILL fulfill this, just as Yeshua did and this is why it's scheduled that other Christs will arise amongst us, for so many have forgotten him, his messages, and his example and what they all truly mean, imply, and entail. 

  Too many in this world focus too much on their little selves, and this is the root of all the problems and suffering in this world, both for each little self and for humanity as a whole.