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Message started by JG on Mar 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm

Title: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by JG on Mar 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm
Hello everyone,

Lately I have been wanting to just sit down and talk with a psychic or a medium. Not because I want to talk with the dead or anything, but if possible, to get some insight on myself. Basically, what can they sense or know about my spritual being. More for clarity personally than anything else. I am in Houston, Texas, and I want to find someone reputable and honest who has a lot of experience. Not just some side of the road palm reader or someone trying to take my money. The person does not have to be here in Houston...but I just wanted to ask if you all knew some good resources to try or someone to speak to for what I am looking for. I understand most people want payment for their gifts, so that isn't a problem, but I don't want that to be the driving factor either. Kind of reminds me of church, where you almost feel like there is a fee for going...lol. So any info would be great. Thanks!

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Vicky on Mar 9th, 2012 at 4:53pm
HI JG,

Bruce has on his resource page contact info for a couple of his psychic friends in Florida.  As far as how to find a psychic, how to find one who's good, the real thing, and can provide a real service and what you're looking to get out of it, I don't know if there's any way to judge that.  Just have to go through someone you know and trust who knows one. 

I thought it was interesting that you asked what they can sense or know about your spiritual being.  Assuming that psychic ability is real and that different people have different talents, ability, and skill, I'd say that a psychic can see anything.  It's more a matter of how they interpret their own ability of perception and how they choose to relay it to you, and too it involves how you hear and respond to what they say.

Are you looking for a psychic reading to be told things about yourself that you aren't aware of?  Or do you want someone else to confirm things you already know? 

I'm not "a psychic" but I'm psychic, and let me tell you from my own experience, no one really wants to be told something about themselves or their lives unless it's something they already know and something they want to hear.  So when you go into having a psychic reading, keep that in mind.  I think you'll get from the experience what you're putting into it; that is, your own mindset, both consciously and subconsciously, will have an effect on the reading itself. 

Also, I'm sure you're aware that you can gain your own insight about your spiritual being on your own, learning how to listen and look within.  I understand that's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's true.  If a psychic is genuine and good, they are going to really only see the same things you can see for yourself.  I don't believe you, or a psychic, will be able to see something before it's the right time to be aware of it.




Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by JG on Mar 9th, 2012 at 5:16pm

Vicky wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 4:53pm:
HI JG,

Bruce has on his resource page contact info for a couple of his psychic friends in Florida.  As far as how to find a psychic, how to find one who's good, the real thing, and can provide a real service and what you're looking to get out of it, I don't know if there's any way to judge that.  Just have to go through someone you know and trust who knows one. 

I thought it was interesting that you asked what they can sense or know about your spiritual being.  Assuming that psychic ability is real and that different people have different talents, ability, and skill, I'd say that a psychic can see anything.  It's more a matter of how they interpret their own ability of perception and how they choose to relay it to you, and too it involves how you hear and respond to what they say.

Are you looking for a psychic reading to be told things about yourself that you aren't aware of?  Or do you want someone else to confirm things you already know? 

I'm not "a psychic" but I'm psychic, and let me tell you from my own experience, no one really wants to be told something about themselves or their lives unless it's something they already know and something they want to hear.  So when you go into having a psychic reading, keep that in mind.  I think you'll get from the experience what you're putting into it; that is, your own mindset, both consciously and subconsciously, will have an effect on the reading itself. 

Also, I'm sure you're aware that you can gain your own insight about your spiritual being on your own, learning how to listen and look within.  I understand that's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's true.  If a psychic is genuine and good, they are going to really only see the same things you can see for yourself.  I don't believe you, or a psychic, will be able to see something before it's the right time to be aware of it.


Thank you for the response Vicky. I think it's more to do with having a roadblock, where I can see something in terms of my spirituality, but not sure how to interpret it. It's a strange dynamic, and I think it may be related to my belief system growing up Christian. I think some of the cultural aspects of the religion is making it difficult to have proper discernment and understanding. We are taught that psyhics are not "of God" and bad in a sense. I don't believe that, but it is just something that I FEEL like I need. I really believe it will help me understand what is really going on in my life at deeper levels on consciousness...so, maybe I need a psychic, and not a medium. And thank you for your advice, I will take it into consideration while going into this experience!

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Berserk2 on Mar 9th, 2012 at 6:37pm
JG,
In my view, you would find the right kind of Spiritual Director or spiritual retreat  far more helpful for what you want.  The best  kind of retreats are nondirective and create the space for in depth insights to bubble to the surface.  My cousin, Lloyd, was always anti-Catholic, but he credits a Catholic Spiritual Director with saving his troubled marriage when no noe else could help.  Good Spiritual Directors are experts in both counseling and the best of the Christian mystics throughout history who devoted their whole lives to contemplative insights.  They focus attention not on doctrine, but on experience, imagination, and memory, and their talents can only be measured by your perception of personal transformation in their presence. 

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Focus27 on Mar 11th, 2012 at 7:16am
I think a Psychologist will pretty much fit the bill since you don't need to contact any spirits. Really, from reading your post it sounds like you just need someone to talk to that is professionally trained.... and that is a psychologist!

I could use some time with a psychologist too! (But I don't want to pay my hard earned money!)
:D

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by JG on Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:31am

Focus27 wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 7:16am:
I think a Psychologist will pretty much fit the bill since you don't need to contact any spirits. Really, from reading your post it sounds like you just need someone to talk to that is professionally trained.... and that is a psychologist!

I could use some time with a psychologist too! (But I don't want to pay my hard earned money!)
:D


Unless psychological guidance and spiritual guidance are one in the same, then I don't think I need a psychologist. I am pretty decently familiar with psychology actually...but I think this is a little more "below the surface"....

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Lucy on Mar 17th, 2012 at 4:14am
Hi JG. Do you read your PM's?

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Focus27 on Mar 17th, 2012 at 4:36pm
I recommend a massive spending account reserved for this process. Anyone can claim they are a psychic. They may even think they are psychic....

This does not make it true!

Even highly recommended psychics through family and friends have completely turned out to be failures, and when an in depth look at how they perform readings is done, often you can witness the sitter unknowingly feeding the mediums!

You will need a lot of money and luck, because, in the end, you just need to find that one "person" that is able to make the correct lucky guesses. Don't get your hopes up like I did. Each psychic tested was worse than the last one, regardless of how excited and hopeful I was. It's going to take a lot of money and time to find one that get's lucky.

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by heisenberg69 on Mar 18th, 2012 at 8:44am

Focus27 wrote on Mar 17th, 2012 at 4:36pm:
I recommend a massive spending account reserved for this process. Anyone can claim they are a psychic. They may even think they are psychic....

This does not make it true!

Even highly recommended psychics through family and friends have completely turned out to be failures, and when an in depth look at how they perform readings is done, often you can witness the sitter unknowingly feeding the mediums!

You will need a lot of money and luck, because, in the end, you just need to find that one "person" that is able to make the correct lucky guesses. Don't get your hopes up like I did. Each psychic tested was worse than the last one, regardless of how excited and hopeful I was. It's going to take a lot of money and time to find one that get's lucky.


I agree with you when you say anyone can claim to be psychic but disagree when you when you attribute any accuracy always to cold reading, hot reading, guessing etc. Modern scientific testing of mediums goes to great lengths to rule out those explanations and others you hav'nt thought of - using up to quintuple blinding protocols. However, mediums report that very skeptical people are often much harder to read because their 'noise' overrides the subtlety of the reading. Because of this why don't you ask your wife to act as a proxy sitter for you ?

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by KarmaLars on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:45pm

Focus27 wrote on Mar 17th, 2012 at 4:36pm:
I recommend a massive spending account reserved for this process. Anyone can claim they are a psychic. They may even think they are psychic....

This does not make it true!

Even highly recommended psychics through family and friends have completely turned out to be failures, and when an in depth look at how they perform readings is done, often you can witness the sitter unknowingly feeding the mediums!

You will need a lot of money and luck, because, in the end, you just need to find that one "person" that is able to make the correct lucky guesses. Don't get your hopes up like I did. Each psychic tested was worse than the last one, regardless of how excited and hopeful I was. It's going to take a lot of money and time to find one that get's lucky.



True words from a wise man!...You can always try one of those recommended by Moen, after all she did see Ben Franklin in the Nude!  http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/near-death-experiences-help-some-believe-without-seeing/1091700

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by heisenberg69 on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:08pm
'True words from a wise man!...You can always try one of those recommended by Moen, after all she did see Ben Franklin in the Nude!  http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/near-death-experiences-help-some-... '

Very interesting ... a couple of years ago I went to see the famous 'Hell-Fire' caves in High Wycombe and was interested to learn of Franklin's involvement. This was the domain of the so-called 'Medmenham Monks', a secret society for upper-class rakes. let's just say nudism would have been the more innocent of their activites ... !

For further information : http://www.montaguemillennium.com/familyresearch/monks.htm

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by KarmaLars on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:23pm

heisenberg69 wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:08pm:
'True words from a wise man!...You can always try one of those recommended by Moen, after all she did see Ben Franklin in the Nude!  http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/near-death-experiences-help-some-... '

Very interesting ... a couple of years ago I went to see the famous 'Hell-Fire' caves in High Wycombe and was interested to learn of Franklin's involvement. This was the domain of the so-called 'Medmenham Monks', a secret society for upper-class rakes. let's just say nudism would have been the more innocent of their activites ... !

For further information : http://www.montaguemillennium.com/familyresearch/monks.htm



To me, this explains the '69' after your user-name. 

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by heisenberg69 on Mar 19th, 2012 at 3:41am

KarmaLars wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:23pm:

heisenberg69 wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 3:08pm:
'True words from a wise man!...You can always try one of those recommended by Moen, after all she did see Ben Franklin in the Nude!  http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/near-death-experiences-help-some-... '

Very interesting ... a couple of years ago I went to see the famous 'Hell-Fire' caves in High Wycombe and was interested to learn of Franklin's involvement. This was the domain of the so-called 'Medmenham Monks', a secret society for upper-class rakes. let's just say nudism would have been the more innocent of their activites ... !

For further information : http://www.montaguemillennium.com/familyresearch/monks.htm



To me, this explains the '69' after your user-name. 


;D

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Lucy on Mar 20th, 2012 at 4:56am
JG maybe this is someone you could check out..in TX

http://www.butterflyspiritconnections.com/index.htm

Maybe you could go to a class or workshop before plopping down a lot of cash, to see if you like the person.

Then maybe you could report back!

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by usetawuz on Mar 20th, 2012 at 2:44pm
I have not had difficulty finding a good psychic, though some are charlatans while others are limited in what they can "see".  I am not a fan of those who use a modality (cards, plams, etc) other than simply looking within, nor do I deal with those who require more money for "extended work on your behalf."

Maybe I am fortunate, but I deal with three very accurate psychics...they each see at a slightly different level, and sometimes with blind questions I can triangulate their comments and get exceedingly accurate readings on various situations.  Often I can call and be told the answer to my question before I have asked it, and they are accomplished both via telephone and face to face.  Another aspect I appreciate is that at times they have told me they cannot answer a particular question, or are told they cannot see that perticular answer, and it is usually due to the topic being of particular sensitivity regarding what I intend to do.  I was once told "An answer would enable you to act too soon and change the energies which could alter the situation prior to you getting there." 

Another aspect is that it is also fortunate that they are friends of mine, so the bank account does not come into play.  They do not seek fame, fortune and riches, nor do they accept clients who seem overly interested in "success" or "how do you decide how much to charge for the reading?" and "what if you're wrong?"  Their biggest complaint is a client who is easily read, but doesn't like the answer to his question and grills them relentlessly intent on getting another answer. 

Good luck.    

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Focus27 on Mar 20th, 2012 at 6:57pm
I often seem disrespectful towards these mediums on here but it is simply me venting out my frustrations that I hold in check when I am with these mediums, testing them.

I also wanted to add that I do not really believe in fraudulent mediums, generally speaking.

I believe that THEY believe they are mediums/psychic.

They are just wrong in they're belief. (Based on the evidence of failed medium sessions.)

Mediums take any success and pump it up and throw it to the forefront, and pretend the completely off the wall incorrect guesses are non-existent.

All of the preferred higher end mediums/psychics cost $275.00-$300.00 Plus dollars. That is why I recommend a large budget spending account.

I've already spent about $300.00 in between 4 mediums that have shown no psychic/medium ability, zero correct hits, and many odd guesses including completely incorrect names, genders, and even family members that are not dead.

Maybe I am just unlucky.

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Berserk2 on Mar 20th, 2012 at 8:52pm
Focus 27,
On  this site, there has been an in depth debate on this issue for many hears.  Mediums have "proven" an astounding ability to retrieve information about the deceased, but I'm convinced that they derive this information through ESP from the living or the collective unconscious rather than from direct contact with deceased minds.  For the best survey of the evidence for and against the various forms of mediumship, the best source is the comprehensive survey of David Fontana's book, "Is There an Afterlife."  Why not get that book, start a thread on it, and enjoy a productive discussion of Fontana's evidence pro and con?   If you don't read a book like Fontana's, you don't even know enough to have an informed opinion on the issue.

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Focus27 on Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:02pm
/shrug.
I have not read that book.

This does not mean I fail to understand the concept that if a person thinks about Donald Duck, the medium can come up with the word Donald Duck.

Further, it does not mean that I have not heard practically every theory including thought clouds, collective consciousnesses etc.

When you obsess about afterlife theory, you read up on multiple possibilities, regardless of whether or not you have read a specific book.

The most logical answer is that the afterlife does not exist. It fits in perfectly with modern science. The concept of some sort of memory blob/cloud that mediums can contact is silly. I'd believe spirits over that one any day. PERIOD. Mind reading on the other hand is viable, but, the fact that mediums claim in reports to receive information the sitter does not know, yet can later verify, adds question as to the mind reading being the absolute explanation.

Far simpler to state that mediums and psychic are simply an illusion.

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Berserk2 on Mar 20th, 2012 at 11:02pm
You remind me of Fundamentalists who dismiss evolution because, in their words, "you can believe man is the product of a baboon convention if you want to, but I..."  Then typically, when asked if they have ever read a book by an evolutionist, they reply, "I don't want to waste my time!"  Focus 27, please actually join the real world of honest and open seekers and actually read Fontana's book, so that, at last, your pontifcations can assessed against real evidence and you can at last ligitimately claim to have an informed opinion.   Do you dare?   

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Lucy on Mar 21st, 2012 at 3:19am
Why is Fontana the authority on this? Maybe Don could start the thread on Fontana's pros and cons since Don seems to be familiar with the book, though I am not sure why a book on the pros and cons of info of the afterlife answers the question as to why some people believe they are more psychic than they appear to others to be.

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Focus27 on Mar 21st, 2012 at 9:23am
Exactly, whats wrong with the Atheist Afterlife book? Monroe's Journey's Out Of Body? Gary Schwartz's Afterlife Experiments?

I have read many, many, may I add another, many, afterlife books. This does not make any of them based on factual scientific testing and data done in controlled laboratory environments.

I would be willing to check out the book you are mentioning if I see it at the used book store of course, don't get me wrong. But I am sure any and all afterlife theories within the book I have already thought of myself, and if I have not thought of some of the theories mentioned in said book, it is because the theory is so off the wall that it does not merit any real attention anyways....

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by usetawuz on Mar 21st, 2012 at 5:00pm
As for proof, I do not believe there is any way to effect experiments of non-physical (energetic) phenomena and sciences with physical devices based in physical sciences, so to expect proven results by methods ill-suited and inadequate for the job will never result in success.  And frankly, as for those non-physical phenomena, their effect on and for me have already proven themselves for my benefit in repeatable fashion, so what would be the point? 

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Berserk2 on Mar 21st, 2012 at 5:25pm
Focus 27,

None of the books you mention are anything close to comprehensive survey of evidence for the afterlife.  David Fontana's book  and John J. Heaney's book fill that role nicely.  The bottom line is I don't consider it worth debating someone who pontificates against the afterlife, and yet, has not even read a basic book that surveys the various types of evidence for it. 

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by Focus27 on Mar 23rd, 2012 at 2:33pm
Quote:"The bottom line is I don't consider it worth debating someone who pontificates against the afterlife, and yet, has not even read a basic book that surveys the various types of evidence for it."


Lol Berserk, you have basically been doing that this whole time. ::hugs::

Title: Re: Best Advice on Finding a Medium/Psychic
Post by JG on Mar 29th, 2012 at 1:38pm
I did....thank you! Let me re-check again today.  :)


Lucy wrote on Mar 17th, 2012 at 4:14am:
Hi JG. Do you read your PM's?


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