To All Techno Types

My friend, Carolene Heart, was recently doing a session from here in Florida with a client in a European country via Skype Video Chat.  At several points during the session Carolene was in communication (telepathic) with nonphysical beings who were near here client.  At times she was interacting with them, sometimes getting information, sometimes retrieving aspects.  During some of these times Carolene could see the nonphysicals on the Skype Video Chat screen on her computer screen.

Assuming that Carolene saw what she said she saw, and I personally have no doubt, how can such images of nonphysicals appear on a Skype Video Chat screen?

Instead of discussing whether or not Carolene actually saw this I'd like to see posts that analyze what might be called the "technology of Consciousness."  What are the implications for what Consciousness IS and how it FUNCTIONS?  What must be true of the inner workings of Consciousness for Carolene, a gifted psychic and medium, to see these images on a computer monitor screen during a session with a client?

I am fascinated by this event and interested in software that can record Skype Video Chat screens to see if the images of nonphysical beings shop up on recordings.

Link to Carolene's website: http://www.caroleneheart.net/

Bruce

Bruce:

Maybe it was a matter of what her mind perceived. Something such as her higher self caused her to see what other people might not see.

One time I was watching a television show and an actor turned a machete so the wide part rather than the thin edge could be seen, and I saw a reflection within this flat part that was of a person I used to know.

The first time I made contact with my disk in a way where I was conscious of doing so, while awake in an expanded state of consciousness, I looked at my digital clock  and the top dot of the colon was moving around. I believe my disk caused me to perceive in such a way.

I don't remember the specifics, but remember when you found out about Joshua while traveling on a plane? Didn't you see his name rather than what was actually written?

Hi Bruce,

I agree that Carolene may have seen it nonphysically, with her own consciousness that is, but not necessarily that she saw what appeared on the screen.  Perhaps to her own interpretation, it seemed like she saw it on the screen.  The only way to know if it "appeared on the actual screen" as you say, would be if Carolene had hit the button that lets her take a photo during the Skype chat.  Did she do that? 

To answer your questions, the implications of what consciousness IS and how it FUNCTIONS is that our consciousness is us, our spirit energy and it is always able to expand, interact, communicate within whatever realm we are focused in.  Because Carolene was working on Skype, that is where her consciousness was focused.  If, for instance, she was writing a letter by hand, by candle light, a much different setting...her consciousness would still work within that setting and bring information to her awareness in whatever way she could perceive.  It makes no difference what kind of technology is used because we are ever-adapting beings.  I always say that my Guidance always knows what I'm thinking, feeling, or doing and communicates with me through whatever means can get my attention in those focuses, because that's where I'm focusing my conscious awareness at the moment. 

Bruce, I think that answered your second question about what must be true of the inner workings of Carolene's consciousness.  By the way, she's no different or more gifted than any of the rest of us.  She is just more aware than others of her own ability and awareness.  But we all have the same abilities of consciousness. 

I too wish Skype had a video recording function.  But remember, whether it could have recorded it or not doesn't change anything about a person's ability to perceive.  If the video was recorded and the image didn't show up, it doesn't change what she experienced...it would just be very interesting if it had shown up. 

To answer your other question, how can such images of nonphysicals appear on a Skype video chat screen...I would say that they can appear because they have figured out how to help make it so.  I think part of it may be due to our own consciousness perceiving and then having an experience of SEEING it there, and that would maybe add to the actual creating it as so.  Then you take into account that nonphysicals can also impress their energy onto things, as we know, such as appearing in a photograph or on tape, and many other forms of technology. 

Vicky

Bruce,

"[...]images of nonphysical beings shop up on recordings."

Are the ads on the forum getting to you?

I've seen very weird things and been a bit curious about how and why some projections I saw were on tv-screens. Been a computer guy since childhood but less and less impressed by the tool which is technology. It works out for carolene, but generally I find the more tech dependent people get they seem to lose touch with non-physical attributes.

Vicky said: "I always say that my Guidance always knows what I'm thinking, feeling, or doing and communicates with me through whatever means can get my attention in those focuses, because that's where I'm focusing my conscious awareness at the moment."

Recoverer responds: "Related to the above, I believe that guidance can have quite a comprehensive viewpoint. For example, one morning I was meditating, I heard a voice say, "Get ready for an earthquake," and then an earthquake took place.

Yesterday morning I was meditating, I heard a voice say, "I'm sorry," and then an earthquake took place.

One time I was driving and I heard voice tell me to take a look at something behind me I wasn't aware of, I looked, and received an answer to a question I had.

One time I was walking in the office I work in, I was shown a stop sign, I stopped, and then a lady came barreling around the corner. If I would not have stopped we would've had a collision and she has a bad back.

One morning I was meditating and I experienced myself in my car slamming my car brakes while my car was on a particular part of a freeway I commute on. This nonphysical experience ended just before I made contact with the car in front of me. That morning when I drove to work and was on the above part of the freeway I didn't drive in the fast lane as I usually do because I figured my experience might be a warning. A four car accident took place in the fast lane right in the  area I was warned about.

I've had other experiences that have shown me that my guidance knows about things in this World that I don't know about.

 

recoverer wrote on Oct 28^th, 2011 at 4:19pm:

I've had other experiences that have shown me that my guidance knows about things in this World that I don't know about.

Yes!  Those are excellent examples of what I mean. 

consider the fact that this so-called "physical" world here is a dream world.
:-)
(literally, not figuratively speaking)

There are a lot of screen recorder (including for skype itself I guess) software which allow to record video (and audio too). I would recommend to setup such equipment. Video files can be reedited to remove unwanted sections, and achieved results - can be published for example via youtube.

It does not surprises me, that nonphysicality can interact with skype-similar software. Signal that goes through is: a) received by the webcam (local noise interference patterns), b) coded-and-transmited via internet, which allows to "adjust" the video artifacts related to encoding/transmission process. The last thing is the level of adaptability of human perception to semi-signals to a level that allows to perceive "specific" meaning. I agree, that some pictures are the result of brain illusions, but at the same time - I point, that perceiving (recognizing) such illusions in a particular way - is inspired.

A lot about non-physicality is also about non-locality (person does not looks like a person, but rather like a "cloud"...) and networking (...of connections). "Pictures" and "voices" are the results of interactions between sophisticated networks. We, the "I'am a person" - get only a simplified summary of that (-;

Give me a few minutes to see what will be the simplest way.

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http://www.pamela.biz/en/

I'm not sure yet whether this records bi-directional (both videos). If not - your friend would have to record the video and send you then via skype.

But... if these pictures emerge during coding/transmission protocol - she would have to record her video stream, and then send you back as a file.

My feeling is that the spirit World came before the physical World so beings in the spirit World have ways of interacting with what is referred to as physical matter.

When I think of the way I help with retrievals, there might be some limitations. Or perhaps it isn't practical for a higher level being to extend itself to this World and lower realms. It is more practical for people who are incarnated in this World to take care of certain responsibilities.

Also, when I think of how I communicate with spirit beings there are some limitations.

Or maybe dream Worlds are realer than we think. If everything ultimately comes from source, is anything completely unreal? :)



wrote on Oct 28^th, 2011 at 5:03pm:

consider the fact that this so-called "physical" world here is a dream world. :-) (literally, not figuratively speaking)

...and answering to your second question.

"Coherence" is something, that describes co-operating patterns. For example - recently on wiki I found, that they diminished the Frequency Following Response for binaural beats. But on the other hand - layered binaural beats - are coherent patterns and noise reshaping carriers. Maybe FFR is not signifficant at all, but coherence is, and coherent sounds drive coherent neural responses.

Coherence is a word used for consciousness. If the "noise" describes random traffic of, let say "the E/M field" (emotional/mental), coherence describes the emergence of patterns within it. Coherence may emerge on different levels of signal organization, not only in frequency/amplitude terms, but also complexity, like the old analog TV screen with less vivid picture and a lot of noise on it.

Now - I would distinguish here two things. Coherence does not have to be connected to specific specialization. If people see vivid images or hear sounds or allow their "human instrument" to produce or re-transmit energetical phenomenons - this are the "specializations", in which coherence may be or may not be involved. Coherence produces quality, like between noise and pattern or fabulary and documentary. Specialization produces perception or creation, pattern recognition or pattern production or both at the same time, to get the final result - contextual and local "meaning".

From "outside" - consciousness seems to be reshaped pattern of intention. From "inside" - living experience. The only conflict between - is on the mental level, but the mental mind is not the core of us, isn't it?

In short terms (-;

p.s.: let me show you something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaxw4zbULMs

Planet: That Pendulum video is gorgeous. Thanks for posting the link. 

There is an astral plane where all the cartoon characters are! I suppose that sounds crazy.   

I think this is a very interesting thread.   

I look on it as our basic state is that of mind/consciousness.  When we are in the physical plane, our spiritual senses, begin to conform to the agreed on plane we are in (sight, taste, smell, hearing, touch).  We construct "bodies" from the womb which interact with the plane we are in.  And, I fell that as we are immersed in our new home in the physical, we take it that these senses and perception are what is "real," as they are common and reproducible. 

Yet all the interpretation of sensory data occurs on our primary plane, the plane of the mind/consciousness.  Do I see the color red the same as you do?  Think about it for a moment.  We agree that physical phenomenon have reproducible traits, but I don't really "see" the color red, my consciousness receives data and perceives it.  For all I know, some of you, are truly seeing something quite different when you "see" the color red.

If consciousness is our primary or true state, and we are willingly encased in the physical world, using physical senses, then what does this tell us about Carolene's experience?  Somehow, she found the extra physicals first on a mental plane, through non-physical perception.  Before she saw them on Skype, she knew they surrounded the person.  How is this?  Because she formed a mental image, and in that image she saw them.  She interacted with the nonphysicals.  Next, because of the correlation of real time sensory data with an open channel of non-physical real time data, the two images were merged in her interpretive mind.  Once she knew, with deep conviction what her nonphysical sense "saw," she had opened up another channel of a data stream for her mind to use. 

I liken this as watching a movie with the sound on your computer turned off, and then suddenly turning the sound switch on, and beginning to "hear" what is being said.  In her mind, the extra-physicals were found and contacted.  As this contact or data stream strengthened, she was then able to "see" them in real time - perhaps without anyone else being able to do the same (unless another person tuned in with their minds first). 

If mind is primary, and sensory data is not just coming in from our five earthly senses, then we must account for the integration of extra-sensory data.

Matthew

  Well said Matthew, and in a holistic manner.

...so it seems that everything is completely real, more or less so.

Have you read Bob Monroe's books? Don't know in which it was, maybe the 2nd, where he described an episode with a helper guide friend, Bob Monroe was flying a small airplane, his friend sitting in the copilot seat, and he had an appointment or date somewhere and was late and thought of how to manage to arrive on time, and although it was not in "real physical life", it appeared so perfectly real like it was not possible to distiguish from "real physical life" reality.

This description points to the possibility that all of our "physical world" may well be made up in the same way, so "real" that it is not possible to distinguish it from "really real".
Maybe "reality" is always subjective, never objective, so everything that you experience as your personal experience is real for you only.

I feel certain that this "physical reality" is a confined dream reality and relatively much less real than the "higher-order reality" which is not bound by "physical reality" constraints, I mean the artificial limitations of personal individual consciousness and compliance (or submission?) to commonly accepted reality paradigms.

There are so many obvious indications for this, for example the far too many "coincidences" here that contradict all mathematical probability reasoning. (I often wondered why no one takes notice of that, but maybe it is just like in a "night sleep dream" when all the time so unlikely things happen, and still one does not notice how impossible these things are).


recoverer wrote on Oct 28^th, 2011 at 8:00pm:

Or maybe dream Worlds are realer than we think. If everything ultimately comes from source, is anything completely unreal? :) wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:03pm: consider the fact that this so-called "physical" world here is a dream world. :-) (literally, not figuratively speaking)

When it comes to the color red, if somehow we could place our consciousness into another person's body we would probably see red the same way, because for the most part our bodies create an impression of red in the same way. People who have genes that cause them to be colorblind will see differently.

The kind of perception we are talking about is different. It is also possible that a person with a psychological illness will see things that other people don't see because this person's mind creates hallucinations.

Oliver:

I've had lucid dreams where I was conscious of the fact that I was having such a dream and I made a point to notice how real everything seemed. Some of these dreams would end up so I'd find myself in a precarious situation such as hanging on to the edge of cliff. I'd find my way out of such a situation by willing myself awake.

I believe my higher self created these experiences with the purpose of getting me to do the same for this World. But to what degree can this be done? When an alarm clock goes off I'll wake up from an asleep dream, but no matter how loud a clock rings I won't wake up from this waking-state World.

I believe this World is intentionally set up so we can't wake up from it in the same way that we wake up from an asleep dream. This physical World wouldn't serve its purpose if we wake up from it too soon.

Also, when it comes to asleep dreams--anyway the ones that are created by my higher self--for the most part my higher self controls what takes place. My contribution has to do with how I respond to the situations I find myself in.  If I have it within me to respond to a situation in a loving way, then my higher self won't be able to get me to respond in a non-loving way.

This World on the other hand, even though higher levels of being created the background, people determine how circumstances play out and affect each other accordingly.

With the lucid dreams I described above, perhaph my higher self was trying to get me to wake up not to an extent where I no longer experience this World, but to an extent that determines where I place importance. For example, there is a lady at my work who seems to be interested in me and I like her, but I believe it would be a mistake for us to get involved with each other because there is spirit work I am involved with that couldn't take place if we hung out with each other.

Another example, I make a living as a Paralegal in the legal department of a major financial corporation. I spend lots of time and effort doing work that I believe accomplishes nothing other than provide me with a paycheck. Perhaps if I woke up a little more I'd forget about financial security, quit my job and do something more productive.

Another way to consider the matter is that this World is created with energy just as spirit realms are created with energy (albeit, in  diffferent ways). Since energy comes from the Source of everything, perhaps this energy is in someway real during any particular manifestation, even if such manifested energy could've been used in other ways. I believe it is also important to factor in what souls experience while incarnated in a place such as this World.

recoverer,
"Another example, I make a living as a Paralegal in the legal department of a major financial corporation. I spend lots of time and effort doing work that I believe accomplishes nothing other than provide me with a paycheck. Perhaps if I woke up a little more I'd forget about financial security, quit my job and do something more productive."

Whether you try to fit in, or adapt, paychecks got to come from somewhere in this system as it is now. I kind of sensed you'd be working in a conservative workplace, I do so too and fortunately with some space for creativity, varied work and different people to meet and work with.

I read one of the biggest national newspapers today and felt weirdly at home. Many of the articles had a few commons, well written, well thought out, and penned by well educated people. Education is cool but not a requirement to do what they do - think, shape their thoughts into language and write, edit, write and so on. Writers.

Spiritual books may not provide enough to earn a living. Like with what some photographers do, it's also possible to choose and do work that gets some money on the table, and also find the time to do personal work. A valuable expression of and for the author/creator and valuable food for the ones grazing the less travelled paths.

I have a story, you have a story, and the viewers have their stories when the lives are laid out from the first breath to this very moment. Or shorter spans of time as short stories. Books, films, tv-series all have stories as their foundations. An intention could possibly be to create stories that entertain/fascinate, inspire and educate/enlighten.

Stories that are fictional and imaginary still have their "real" writers as sources and as such will present learning potentials for the readers.

And some writers write about the techniques they use to build a text. I found a course which I though was expensive, but the course also listed the books they used as curriculum. Buying those books and doing a self-study could at least reduce the boring money part spent for some.

Yes, the all powerful paycheck does have its importance here for sure. My job is rather mundane, but it is part of a grand creative process in a theater, but I am in the box office 90% of the time. When I feel good I am reasonably happy even with my work but when I feel depressed I can feel like I'm throwing my work time down the drain.

I hope the book writing goes well for you Albert for you certainly have something viable to say

Volu:

Yes, we all have a story. When it comes to nonfiction books I don't know if I'm going to write anymore because I've pretty much said what I had to say in my first two nonfiction books.

That said, I am now writing a fiction book. Hard to find a lot of time to do so because of regular work and other things.

Thank you Beau:

Since I wrote about small niche subjects I'd be surprised if the books I wrote sell real well.


Beau wrote on Oct 30^th, 2011 at 5:01am:

Yes, the all powerful paycheck does have its importance here for sure. My job is rather mundane, but it is part of a grand creative process in a theater, but I am in the box office 90% of the time. When I feel good I am reasonably happy even with my work but when I feel depressed I can feel like I'm throwing my work time down the drain. I hope the book writing goes well for you Albert for you certainly have something viable to say

recoverer:

About "waking up" from this "physical world":

For some people our so-called physical or awake world is the more unreal world, compared to what we normally regard as the sleep and dream world? It has to do with cultural and social conditioning what one gets used to accept as more real and/or less real.
I regard as more real what has more clarity and expanded awareness, and as less real what is more restricted and confined. It does not have to do with planes of existence, but with the clarity and freedom of consciousness.
Many call the ultimate freedom and awakening "enlightenment". Some enlightened individuals say that enlightenment is not the end, but that it is going on and on, with more and more levels of expansion, clarity, awakening.

Physical death can be a great awakening, but we all know that it can also lead into belief system territories and hells, and those are dreams again.

Personally, I feel that "The Great White Blinding Light" is something very significant and appealing and attractive to me, it feels like all heaviness falling off, and laughing out of relief and ease and freedom, freedom from worldly worries. I also feel that this "Light" takes over more and more of my consciousness, it makes me think less and less and forget all thoughts. I think that most of our thoughts are unnecessary redundant repetitions. It would be enough to know what to do in every moment when there is something to be done.
Most of our rational thinking may be unnecessary stress. Avoiding unnecessary stress and relaxing one's mind whenever possible could help a lot to attain inner freedom and peace and thereby wake up from the restless dreams or nightmares of running endlessly in a mind-treadmill that leads to nowhere.

I also do my everyday work for a living (as programmer for a cable TV network company), I don't think it is important what sort of work one does as long as one can live peacefully with it.

...no other Techno Types here? (-;

We can talk about how many conscious people are required to screw in a light bulb or how many spirits will light the bulb... (-; well I guess we stay here in the darkness of night if we don't change the direction or shape of this conversation.

I perceive the technology as an extension of life, because either there is only life and consciousness yet on various levels of complexity, or - there is only dead matter and mechanical rules also on various levels of interrelated complexity. Both terms - living/conscious and dead/mechanical - are the concepts of human mind (artificial intelligence does not bothers with such questions).

Having a clear connection between organic conscious life and less organic (and less organized than sophisticated living systems) technology - let focus on making the bulb lighting for real. Nothing will change if we stay on pushing that "the reality is merely an illusion". Illusion and non-illusion are also only a concepts of human mind. But even so called illusion - requires the energy and infrastructure to stay in existence and in coherence, and these are the facts we deal with.

Do we live in mechanical system, that can be changed? Do we live in "greater city", in which we must have solid arguments to convince somebody to something? How can we change the system or how we can encourage higher intelligences (system takecarers) to make new passages for us? If something works or does not works, or works only sometimes - what are the models and options? What we missed (or forgot about) in these predictabilities?

(-;

Hi all, Bruce,

of course the first thought is "what if she had a screen recorder"; that's to see if her mind-sensing overlayed an objective, for-all-to-see video or if what she'd seen had been actually recorded.

While the first alternative we could lightly call an overlay of two levels of consciousness, the second one could be called an intrusion of nonphysical content into the physical, even more, an altering of the physical reality without using physical means, which is what we call "parapsychological" or even "miraculous".

The above comments I made are within the common scheme of the dichotomy "physical" and "nonphysical". But when we add some grains of philosophy this dichotomy turns out to be quite artificial, as we simply cannot extract something out of our "world stuff" which is purely and only objective-physical as long as experience is "my" experience, experience from a point of perception, as long as there is a "here" and a "there" (because, if there won't be a here-me and a there-outside-me, the distinction of "subjective" and "objective" would fall away, probably with some consequences to the meaning of the terms "physical" and "nonphysical" as well).

However, a blurring of the border between the physical and the nonphysical can be most disturbing and terrifying, and in this regard Bruce's writings about our belief systems, and possible belief-system-crashs come to mind in their importance.

I've once had an OBE but at first didn't realize it was an OBE, so I thought I still was in the physical; the incongruences which I realized made me experience a total loss of a reliable reality, no control anymore, which was really terrible. When I realized that this was an OBE, all fear fell off. What happened was, at that moment I could put what I was just experiencing into another, fitting belief system; I had established for me another system of order, in which I could put in what I was experiencing. This illustrates how much our reality depends on our personal belief system; as long as we are feeling/experiencing from an individual basis, we depend on a quasi-external system which provides and surrounds us with an order, in which we can find and identify ourselves.

Spooky

Hi all,
I feel like a raw recruit here, although I have never had any of the experiences you all describe I do wonder.........
I have and do find myself having conversations with myself which isn't what you would normally admit to. But since I came across material like Bruce has written and others particulalry Fred Myers I have noticed that some of my conversations seem to contain stuff I didn't really say, so the idea thay maybe someone else said it now appears to be a possibility.
I have always considered reality to be the real world that I percieve which to me includes what I have read about the afterlife. The notion of a physical world and a separate non-physical or spirit world including the afterlife has always seemed to be a false separation due to a lack of knowledge/understanding of the so called non-physical, electric and magnetic fields where once non-physical, just a matter of continuing research and extending our understanding.
I tend to not believe nowadays, I use a system of probable credibiity which can and does change for any particular thing I come across which could or could not be true but all things are real, I may not know how to see them yet but I will continue to try.

I would only say that the physical world we're experiencing is contained within a larger consciousness system and trying to comprehend it would be like intestines trying to contemplate your favorite television show.

an interesting movie you sholud see (-;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaUzu-iksi8

virtuality of internet is very similar to non-physicality of consciousness. implications?

(-:

Kinda getting back to the 21 grams argument for the weight of the soul.

That was my first thought too. But comparing the "weight of internet" to the "weight of soul" - it is very inspiring to notice - how much more "software activity" (storage, networking, data flow) has one single human being within - than the whole internet. It also says something about density ratio between physical reality and nonphysical, subtle ones. When you listen to folks like Bashar or Dunvalo Melchizedek - you always hear, that we don't realize of our true potential. Now you can imagine how much it is to be a "simple human" (-;

We only have to convince ourselves that matter isn't the ultimate reality in order to find and work with the energies that form matter. The www is a fine example/ metaphor for our nonphysical development acknowledging our limitless interconnection. But what we invent or use, like Skype, is just a clunky interface that humanity can soon discard in favor of direct immediate experience, just as the 19th century's Crystal Ball has less use today because we have learned tofocus without it.

Looking at Carolean's list of methods for moving into the non-physical, it seems she has already discarded most technological aides. Maybe Skype does operate with some energy units that make it more compatible with some physically unseen life forms, but I doubt she'll use it for long. As soon as she can convince her mind that there is no harm in what she sees, I bet she'll work with non-physical being directly.

And the sooner she and other explorers do, then the sooner people like me  :-[ will see it's safe to do so and move forward again.

Shorter, we have to gradually erode our past reliance on outside physical means. New inventions are just transition-steps to doing that.

 

I think this world can become real but right now its one big huge pinnochio that needs to be transformed into its greatest potential. Then I bet F27 will be right here.

Bets,

"And the sooner she and other explorers do, then the sooner people like me will see it's safe to do so and move forward again."

If that's so then you've handed your power to progress into the hands of others. You're only bound by other explorerers if that's what you choose. Power isn't bad when used right. http://tiny.cc/dj8om