Friends-

I am a frequent OBE'er though I have not posted much lately. I try to look around out there every time I go out there, and it is clear to me that one of my tasks while I am here is to retrieve other extensions, particularly those associated with my I-There (aka Oversoul, EXCOM...). Many times I am guided to "the freshly dead" as they are called in Lifelines at Monroe in Focus 23 (again, Monroe-speak) and I help awaken them to the Guides that surround them. As such, I have not been spending as much time doing specific and requested retrievals ("checking on a friend of mine"), which is when I tend to spend more time in the Hollow Heavens (Focus 24, 25, 26 in Monroe-speak). I have done more of these lately, and found a very different "place." This brings me to my inquiry.

Recently I went in search of a previous retireval I had left on the front porch of his gandmother's house over there. It was not as far as Focus 27, which is the Park at the end of the "tunnel of Light" so many describe where we "go" when we finish with our physical experience.  There are many, many more in the Focus 27 environs and many, many fewer "humans" returning to the physical plane from there. The so-called Hollow Heavens, ranging from the lower vibrational "Flaming Pits of Hell" to the white alabaster temples of Focus 26, seem to be almost deserted. With fewer to perpetuate the thought form the actual construct seems to be dissolving, or at least shrinking greatly in their extent. Many were quite vast, now tiny and populated by the most reluctant Orbs I have interacted with. Much effort is being directed to those remaining.

I was wondering if this is anyone else's experience, too? The "main drag" is rather like Monroe described it-- an Expressway. The exits have been closed down, and it seems like every one is being actively directed all the way to 27 rather than the intermediate Heavens and Hells (all self-created, I might add). There's more, of course, but let's see here before I go out farther....

Thomas

Hi Thomas,

I've read your latest posts, and they were excellent. Glad to see you posting again!

"With fewer to perpetuate the thought form the actual construct seems to be dissolving, or at least shrinking greatly in their extent."

There are many physical signs telling the earth experience is about to end for the nature spirit too, and I've found empty hollows falling apart to be a non-physical one for the human becoming path. Disks with simultaneous incarnations scattered throughout "time" are fading their energy previously given to the constructs. Awesome as it means that graduation is getting very close.

"Many were quite vast, now tiny and populated by the most reluctant Orbs I have interacted with. Much effort is being directed to those remaining."

The bigger orbs, disks, entered this with the intent of graduation - learning and demonstrating experiential lessons - resulting in a vastly different total being than when entering, and new venues available. Simply not an option until this experience has been completed. Kinda like wanting to run before learning to walk. And in linear time billions of years have been spent by the greater selves, before the earth exp. Thing is that not all, it seems, will graduate this time around, but there are other chances on another planet with similar dynamics, and there will be others after that. Could be that the next planet has light polarity as the dominant one for those who enjoy that. But the light's still on in this house, so..

"There's more, of course, but let's see here before I go out farther...."

Out farther sounds great. :)

I haven't received any information about this. I have found that a lot of retrieval work is needed. I don't do them in the manner Moen speaks of. Rather, my energetic system has been developed so an almost constant stream of light energy is run through me and spirits first get attracted to an energy level they can recognize and then they see the light stream.

For some of them, their energy is cleansed with this light stream so they can move on. I've received some information on the nature of the beings helped and it varies.

Some of them might be fundamentalists that are caught up in a hollow heaven. At one point during my life I found that I had some ideas that are fundamentalist in nature. I'm not certain where they came from because I wasn't raised as a fundamentalist. Perhaps they came from a past life. My disk passed them on to me (thanks disk ;D). Whatever the case, I've overcome them.

Nevertheless,  I have a good place for Christ in my heart. Perhaps this mixture makes it possible for stuck fundamentalists to become a part of the stream I'm involved with. They get to experience an old false way of thinking and a new truer way of thinking at the same time.

It sure would be great if hollow heavens are diminishing.

Hmm-mm,

I'm wondering if there is a clue to Thomas' diminishing hollow heavens in this statement by Recoverer:
"Some of them might be fundamentalists that are caught up in a hollow heaven. At one point during my life I found that I had some ideas that are fundamentalist in nature."

I'm getting that our retrievals will always be with souls we can relate to, because of shared thoughts perhaps? Perhaps they went further into excess with some thoughts we considered then discarded.

So perhaps Thomas is living in 'The Flow" and doesn't hold on to or even consider some of the thoughts that others of us have put our attentions on. So he, or even his whole Disk family, does not have to meet entities in the afterlife who are suffering because they are stuck on such thoughts. They have cleared out.

It's just a thought  :)

Betson

The emptying of the hollow heavens would suggest an increase in the amount of attention these places are receiving in order to help souls move on.

Why would this be? And couldn't it have happened a lot sooner?

Hi Thomas and all you other dear people,

a few years ago I 've been very active to explore the Monroe-levels (or better, to explore with the Monroe-model as a guide). What I found was, indeed, at the highest levels below Focus 27 it was a feeling like the air got thin, meaning, there wasn't much. The few systems I found there though were impressing, in that they were inhabitated by very ambitious persons, trying to make their highly moral ideals come to real. Very diverse they were, from clean orthodox worlds to ecological correct worlds, from pacifist's worlds to warrior's worlds. But they had this in common, that the people there were aware that they're not on physical earth, and they all were on a really high moral state- they just lacked in humor, in distance to themselves and their projects, which hindered them to  move to Focus 27. To me quite surprising was when I found that in at least one case there was a close cooperation of a team of these "Heaven" systems with a team of Focus 27.

May it as it be, the highly developed "heavens" weren't very populated. Insofar I can echo Thomas' observations. But there are the worlds below those "heavens", and these were very populated, very vast when I looked there a few years ago. I can't help myself, but when I look around here at the physical world, most of the people are candidates for just these copies of the boring, mundane world. They just want right that.

So, Thomas, maybe you focused just on the higher regions immediately "below" Focus 27?

Spooky

Thanks so for the considered feedback, friends. It would seem indeed that Graduation is near, but that could be a long time in Here Years.

In the Monroe "Exploration 27" program one goes to places like the Recycling Center and Planning Center on 27. I was told there that since about 2000 all children on the planet are from other star systems prepared to deal with the increasing/increased energies "without generating heat from the implosive wave." The extent of 27, which was unlimited as far as I could tell, seems more like here-- rather crowded, and more "people" are proceeding "up" rather than coming back here for another ride on the merry-go-round. I really get the sense that something big, something wonderful, is about to happen.

When I go really out there, to The Aperature on Focus 49 and I ask what about 2012? What's gonna happen? they say, "We were hoping you could tell us." They assured me we will be fine no matter what, that it turns out fine, but that they do not know and cannot see what will actually happen, only beyond it. Who else would create it if not for us? It is our thought form, just like the Hollow Heavens...

And so I have noticed a New Earth, just there, with no roads or cities or dams on the rivers, rather like Bob Monroe described in his "Ultimate Journey" third book. Pure air, and water, and free energy, and the end of the Dream of Separation. I used to read how it would arise (Revelations), and now it seems to me that it has.

A little farther out here, no? I was told it would be US, all One of Us, that as co-creators would find the way, and I believe it is developing before us, because of us. I am most interested in hearing if anyone else might have similar information or experiences. My whole point in going to Monroe was to learn about and to deal with 2012 ( or maybe October 28 and Elenin, or whatever)...

Thomas

Thomas what you say about changes sounds good to me. :)

Going by the info I received there will be some tough times that will be followed by a very positive way of existence.

For example, one time I was shown negative events, and then I was shown circles of very happy people holding hands and dancing.

On another occasion I was shown negative events, then I experienced myself standing on this planet (nonphysically) and then I saw what felt like the Christ light shining upon this Earth.

One time I first saw, heard and felt this planet explode into rocks, then fire, and then white light.

One time I was shown this Earth and its energy was fluctuating in a way that seemed to make it become more subtle.

I've also received other messages that made the point that things will change for the better. However,  I get the impression that we have some say on how smoothly things change. This impression might relate to Focus 49 tellling you, "We were hoping you could tell us."


tgecks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 9:46am:

Thanks so for the considered feedback, friends. It would seem indeed that Graduation is near, but that could be a long time in Here Years. In the Monroe "Exploration 27" program one goes to places like the Recycling Center and Planning Center on 27. I was told there that since about 2000 all children on the planet are from other star systems prepared to deal with the increasing/increased energies "without generating heat from the implosive wave." The extent of 27, which was unlimited as far as I could tell, seems more like here-- rather crowded, and more "people" are proceeding "up" rather than coming back here for another ride on the merry-go-round. I really get the sense that something big, something wonderful, is about to happen. When I go really out there, to The Aperature on Focus 49 and I ask what about 2012? What's gonna happen? they say, "We were hoping you could tell us." They assured me we will be fine no matter what, that it turns out fine, but that they do not know and cannot see what will actually happen, only beyond it. Who else would create it if not for us? It is our thought form, just like the Hollow Heavens... And so I have noticed a New Earth, just there, with no roads or cities or dams on the rivers, rather like Bob Monroe described in his "Ultimate Journey" third book. Pure air, and water, and free energy, and the end of the Dream of Separation. I used to read how it would arise (Revelations), and now it seems to me that it has. A little farther out here, no? I was told it would be US, all One of Us, that as co-creators would find the way, and I believe it is developing before us, because of us. I am most interested in hearing if anyone else might have similar information or experiences. My whole point in going to Monroe was to learn about and to deal with 2012 ( or maybe October 28 and Elenin, or whatever)... Thomas

Thomas, recoverer,

my impressions are that now is a critical time shortly before a very fundamental change and that it is critical how many individuals can make the transition because the more the better because the more diversity and variety will be in the next world.
I don't know what would happen with the others.
It seems as if there are active and passive individuals and that only the active can make the transition and that it is possible and desirable to convert passive ones to active ones or half-active ones to full-active ones although requires some effort to "wake them up". There are many who are half-awake who could be more fully awakened. I was told personally that I have to do that on myself as well, so I'm also only half-awake. Ah yes, and time is short.

Oliver

Hello Oliver:

Related to what you say, I believe it is important for people to try to grow spiritually as much as possible because their increased vibratory rate will affect the rest of the World in a positive way. One of the things that helps motivate me to do so is wanting to help the World progress.  Change starts on the inside.

Hello recoverer:

Sure. But in my view there is only "inside" everywhere. We are all inside one "inside". That is the reason for our connected-ness. Like in a dream where there are many characters acting in it, and who are they really? They are the dreamer. There is only one dreamer who dreams of multiple characters which are only his projections.
What do you mean when you say, "Change starts on the inside"? Do you imply a sort of private inside, like the concept of a psychological inner world within a physical human body?

Oliver,
"Change starts on the inside"?

You mentioned converting (saving?) which is a slippery slope into duality/polarity mode, and with light it's often "..because I know what's best for you".

You also mentioned waking up. Going by my experience, your last post wouldn't fly a centimeter outside the board. The interest comes with equal or close to being on a similar level. Soccer mom does things differently than new age mom, and that's ok.

Each one of us is special and important. ACIM says there is no "out there"-- that it is all "in here" and we are only dreaming we are separate and individual. If only one of us Wakes up sufficiently to really "get it," all of this would disappear into the flash of light that it is to start with. Just like the hollow heavens, isn't this just a solidified thought form, too? Just really well populated....

Imagine in your mind what you want on a New Earth. Pure air and water, free energy, abundant food, the end of the Dream of Separation.... whatever. You image it in your dream of that place. Get clear, be generous. Then think about it, write and talk about it, actually do something to facilitate it (meditation, prayer, whatever). This is how we will do/we have done it, just as we were told: "this and more will you, too, do, for you, too are Gods."

Delighted to know I am not Out on a Limb by myself. Keep image-ing the Dream, friends, and soon there "will arise a New Heaven and a New Earth." I guess what I am trying to say is that it is out there now, just waiting for your paintstroke.... come perfect the Dream. Or not.

What do you think?

Thomas

Oliver:

I mainly mean that we get to the point where we are able to live according to unconditional love as much as possible. When we do so "this" political system, or "that" religious system becomes unecessary.

I believe we are one and many at the same time. We couldn't share love with each other in a substantial way if each of us didn't exist in a substantial way. When each of us learns to live according to qualities such as love and humility it is very substantial. There is no need for self-centered barriers when we are able to live according to unconditional love.


wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 5:33pm:

Hello recoverer: Sure. But in my view there is only "inside" everywhere. We are all inside one "inside". That is the reason for our connected-ness. Like in a dream where there are many characters acting in it, and who are they really? They are the dreamer. There is only one dreamer who dreams of multiple characters which are only his projections. What do you mean when you say, "Change starts on the inside"? Do you imply a sort of private inside, like the concept of a psychological inner world within a physical human body?

Hey dear friends :-)

@recoverer: what i wrote was not an opinion of mine, but some inputs i received from a spirit guide, or call it impressions.
i simply cannot defend or justify or argue about it, it was like a "vision".

yes, unconditional love!! i think it is the way.

@Thomas: "New Heaven and New Earth"!!! YES!!!

@Volu: Sorry, the word "convert" may have been unlucky choice of wording. "convert" is too strict and bi-polar and has bad connotations. The wording I chose was out of an implied notion of being a One United Being divided into many seemingly separated parts, and that "free will" of the separate parts is a seeming appearance on the projection plane of duality and separation. I simply disregarded "political correctness" of that projection plane, spoke out of the "vision", chose words that I could find within my reach at that time, which were not the best choice if I had a broader range of vocabulary to choose from at that time.
If I had the means to change anything and anyone towards more unconditional love, and I could do it without asking them permission, then I would not hesitate, then I would ignore etiquette and political correctness and regard for individual free will.

love :-)

Oliver,
"If I had the means to change anything and anyone towards more unconditional love, and I could do it without asking them permission, then I would not hesitate, then I would ignore etiquette and political correctness and regard for individual free will."

What would happen to those resisting the unconditional utopia? Change from somewhere within is quite different than forced change whether by dicktatorship or democrazy (numbers make right). Earth is a planet for individual progress, with friends and temporary foes. There are plenty of planets where conforming to the masses is the order. A slow path, and there are plenty of tastes of this available on earth. Have you worked in big organisations? Had a learning course with a group? I prefer one-to-one communications and small group activities. I once enjoyed jamming in a band with a couple of friends, but once they started with 'we should do this and that' I was outta there faster than they could spell tinnitus.

I think the source as a whole, or one united being is too big to comprehend truly as a body being, but I know that the individual journey is far from over after this. Other paths include melding with greater self friends after the earth experience and continue the journey as an extended being. There are so many directions and I've just gotten to know a few grains of that beach.

"The one this and that" noise blanket covering earth has traceable sources. Those sources simply don't and cannot yet comprehend the dynamics of earth as a learning ground, and they can say they are 9d beings and what not. I once noticed how the beings communicating with jelaila at nib.council told her that reps went through ascension as individuals. It's refutable once one can visit other places by phasing or changing the focus. Consider the source.

To all:
As you talk about the changes to come, and the possibility that some people might not "make it" because they are not developed sufficiently (I know this is not an opinion held by all of you); what about the children, who are in a "state of grace", but not spiritually "evolved"? Will they be brought into a new world, and if so, at what point do they enter the pool of those who must make the grade?
Freeman

Very good question, Bardo. It shows that any views on 2012 which are of the kind of "Armageddon", "here the good, and there the bad" are quite unlogical.

The only way we can grasp that global change (if there is any, other than physical/environmental necessarities) is to interpretate it on the basis of a wider perspective, meaning that children, for example, are part of an experience of a greater self, which encompasses many personalities, ages, universes.

Spooky

Spooky,

Children, teens and adults are all disks in disguises. Illogical thinking is that disks are going to continue to dabble with the human form 4 ever. I and others will continue to make assumptions until the story of earth is finished once and for all, but the memories and experiences from earth and elsewhere are indeed kept 4 ever.

Yes Volu, I'm not a fan of the physical either, but I must admit I've collected a lot of impressive experiences during my forty+ years here, and many of them in (or rooted in) my early years. The problem is, these experiences are there, but I don't know the heck what they're good for :-) . Maybe my disk knows better.

Spooky

tgecks wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

Friends- I am a frequent OBE'er though I have not posted much lately. I try to look around out there every time I go out there, and it is clear to me that one of my tasks while I am here is to retrieve other extensions, particularly those associated with my I-There (aka Oversoul, EXCOM...). Many times I am guided to "the freshly dead" as they are called in Lifelines at Monroe in Focus 23 (again, Monroe-speak) and I help awaken them to the Guides that surround them. As such, I have not been spending as much time doing specific and requested retrievals ("checking on a friend of mine"), which is when I tend to spend more time in the Hollow Heavens (Focus 24, 25, 26 in Monroe-speak). I have done more of these lately, and found a very different "place." This brings me to my inquiry. Recently I went in search of a previous retireval I had left on the front porch of his gandmother's house over there. It was not as far as Focus 27, which is the Park at the end of the "tunnel of Light" so many describe where we "go" when we finish with our physical experience.  There are many, many more in the Focus 27 environs and many, many fewer "humans" returning to the physical plane from there. The so-called Hollow Heavens, ranging from the lower vibrational "Flaming Pits of Hell" to the white alabaster temples of Focus 26, seem to be almost deserted. With fewer to perpetuate the thought form the actual construct seems to be dissolving, or at least shrinking greatly in their extent. Many were quite vast, now tiny and populated by the most reluctant Orbs I have interacted with. Much effort is being directed to those remaining. I was wondering if this is anyone else's experience, too? The "main drag" is rather like Monroe described it-- an Expressway. The exits have been closed down, and it seems like every one is being actively directed all the way to 27 rather than the intermediate Heavens and Hells (all self-created, I might add). There's more, of course, but let's see here before I go out farther.... Thomas

Some years ago (maybe two) with my friends, we have discovered similar thing. It appeared to us, that the whole F23-F26 area is being "cleaned" from residental vibrations, as if it was not needed anymore (a lot of light or something = no way to get stuck = infrastructure). We have also wondered "how is it that possible", since this is "no-time" zone, but we came to conclusion, that this is "access time point" dependent issue. I guess if you would state your intent to access retrieval Focus levels "from earlier time/experience point" - you would get an experience in retro style (-;

tgecks wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

Friends- I am a frequent OBE'er though I have not posted much lately. I try to look around out there every time I go out there, and it is clear to me that one of my tasks while I am here is to retrieve other extensions, particularly those associated with my I-There (aka Oversoul, EXCOM...). Many times I am guided to "the freshly dead" as they are called in Lifelines at Monroe in Focus 23 (again, Monroe-speak) and I help awaken them to the Guides that surround them. As such, I have not been spending as much time doing specific and requested retrievals ("checking on a friend of mine"), which is when I tend to spend more time in the Hollow Heavens (Focus 24, 25, 26 in Monroe-speak). I have done more of these lately, and found a very different "place." This brings me to my inquiry. Recently I went in search of a previous retireval I had left on the front porch of his gandmother's house over there. It was not as far as Focus 27, which is the Park at the end of the "tunnel of Light" so many describe where we "go" when we finish with our physical experience.  There are many, many more in the Focus 27 environs and many, many fewer "humans" returning to the physical plane from there. The so-called Hollow Heavens, ranging from the lower vibrational "Flaming Pits of Hell" to the white alabaster temples of Focus 26, seem to be almost deserted. With fewer to perpetuate the thought form the actual construct seems to be dissolving, or at least shrinking greatly in their extent. Many were quite vast, now tiny and populated by the most reluctant Orbs I have interacted with. Much effort is being directed to those remaining. I was wondering if this is anyone else's experience, too? The "main drag" is rather like Monroe described it-- an Expressway. The exits have been closed down, and it seems like every one is being actively directed all the way to 27 rather than the intermediate Heavens and Hells (all self-created, I might add). There's more, of course, but let's see here before I go out farther.... Thomas

Thomas,
If there are many fewer returning to the earth plane, how do we account for the ever-increasing number of souls that are actually here?  Seven billion (living) at the latest count.  Where are they coming from?

Bardo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2011 at 10:12am:

Thomas, If there are many fewer returning to the earth plane, how do we account for the ever-increasing number of souls that are actually here?  Seven billion (living) at the latest count.  Where are they coming from?

Possibly through soul bifurcation (trifurcation?).  I have another portion of my soul currently incarnated as a woman, half my age and living in the northeastern United States who is apparently bearing the lion's share of "our" karma.  I apparently did that in the late 1800's and before that in the 1750's.  Try that with 3.5 billion souls and you have your answer! 

Also I read a brief book by Ian Lawson which through channeled beings indicated there were many souls seeking incarnation on less dense and intense planets, which would account for a reduced need for large soul processing capacity sepcifically for earth.   

I was told that since 2000, energies from other star systems more equipped to deal with the changes were populating the planet-- the indigo and crystal children. I don't know, but the realms of 27 are HUGE and seem as big as C-1, the "real world." They seem well populated, as well as those realms just beyond-- Focus 28,29,20,31, and 32. The Gathering is still on 33/34, as is the Voyager 8, the "starship" one uses in Starlines I and II. More beyond that, too, but that is another topic.

Thomas

Once kundalini has curled it's energy to the heart, when sensitivity is greatly enhanced, there are also some delicate challenges connected to this. From what I've observed it's a time in the incarnational span where both internal and external aspects that don't fit the nice label are discarded. Star seeds do not make up for the growth in bodies, and the world hasn't gotten any nicer. I read in the local newspaper today about a person threatening another person with an axe and going up to her and growling/sneering. The journalist had sub-headlined the animalistic growling part as it is noteworthy, regardless of how you view the world and the details you're able to pick up. Though "star seeds" are almost regarded as spiritual magicians, what isn't regarded is the root for this fascination. Memory. Somewhat blurred, but not the general blank page which is the way of this world. They don't carry the changes happening now other than their eventual decision to be a part of a similar way of experiencing. The human and similar paths can get bittersweet and infamous once maturing, but still a step forward from the path the "gods" currently are walking. It remains to be seen who are courageous enough to be the next ones bungee jumping (earth) without the cord (memory). The memory is only temporarily blocked - because our disks have so many incarnations happening at the same time. Would be messy and thoroughly unfocused, and not at all grounded, with the memories intact. At some point all the memories from the earth experience will be available, and more.

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  I've also gotten the intuition that more consciousnesses are coming in this Earth system from other systems--many very specifically and intentionally to play more conscious helper roles--especially in relation to the developing changes.

  Plus, i've also gotten the intuition that more consciousnesses are "splitting" so called, and having more than one life in the relatively same time/space cycle.  To some extent, both of the above have always been going on, but both seem to have increased lately, and it seems directly related to the nature of this extreme and quite potential ripe cycle.