I intend to put this on another forum where there may be people
interested in doing retrievals. But perhaps I should let people
at this forum have a saying about it first?

How valid is my how-to text?

Should anything be changed?


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HOW I GO ABOUT RETRIEVALS

This is how I go about doing retrievals.

Let me first of all state that in most of my sessions I don't intend to
go for retrievals, and often I have some other goal like getting answer
to a question, doing healing to someone I know, try to OBE or just hope
for some good energy work. Sometimes I have no expectations at all and
try to be open to anything.

I'm open to retrievals as just one part of many things I want to do.

This text is long and may not be without faults or unclear parts.


BACKGROUND

Maybe I should give some background. I'm +40 years and I'm poor at
doing OBEs. My LDs tend to be short and far between in time. When I
get to view the 3-D blackness I usually can't hold it for more than
30 seconds.

I often do NEW or some kind of energy work which I at least imagine is
similar to NEW, about once a day for 15 minutes - 1 hour.

Sometimes I listen to Hemi-Sync of various kinds; MetaMusic, HumanPlus,
JOOB, Wave etc.


LONG TERM PREPARATIONS

I can't prove that NEW or Hemi-Sync aid in doing retrievals or do anything
helpful at all. But because I get some kind of physical sensations, sometimes
I see 2-D images with my physical eyes, I think that both energy work and
Hemi-Sync speed up the process of developing better abilities to work with
the astral. I regard those various physical sensations as some kind of
development over time.


MY STEP-BY-STEP METHOD

Let me first state that the retrieval person doesn't need to be a human or
even a being from physical Earth, so view the expression "retrieval person"
in a broad sense.

I've divided my method into several points, so they can easily be referenced.
At the end I have a some additional comments, some from a little different
point of view. I go about retrievals like this:


1. Sometimes I begin with setting intent one day in advance. I may state
something loudly like talking to some imaginary being and say: "Tomorrow
I will do a retrieval. If you want to, you may prepare a retrieval for me."

The "you" is directed to any astral Helpers.

2. The next day, I may state verbally: "Now I will do a retrieval."
And I start a session, sometimes with any random Hemi-Sync CD in headphones;
MetaMusic, HumanPlus, JOOB etc. At other times I begin with no expectations
or Hemi-Sync at all.


3. I lay down, eyes closed and state: "I request help from those Helpers or
Guides, who know more than me, less than me or as much as me and who want to
help me do OBE, projection, healing, retrievals, get information, remove
obstacles, get personal growth of myself or others. And I'm open to anything
else including that any of you may modify me in any way you want."

Sometimes I direct me specifically to my I-There or Total Self.

I know that the "modify" part may not be to everybody's likings.
I don't advice it either, as I still don't know the end result, it will
probably take years before I know if my request for random modifications
bear fruit. What kind of fruit, one may ask, too.

(Note: One channeled entity in the TMI Explorer Tapes has stated that you
should not request help from anyone less than you, so I'm not sure I do
the right thing. At the same time I don't want to exclude anyone just based
on knowledge as they may have other useful astral abilities.)


4A. Laying down I do the Moen "circulation" of non-physical energy. I
imagine that I draw up energy through my soles and through my body up
to the crown of my head an out into infinity. A part of the energy from
my crown is circulated in a balloon shape around me down to my soles again.
I do this three times as I take deep breaths each time, constantly making
the energy move around on both in and out breaths. See AKG for details.

4B. I do the same three breaths/circulations but now in the opposite
direction, from my crown down to my soles.

(Note: Moen does this a little differently in his AKG book, so you may
want to check that out. I think Moen's energy gathering is a sort of a
Monroe REBAL.)

4C. I bounce energy in a kind of NEW style, from the soles of my feet
to my crown. The bounce is done by an inch thick imaginary disc with a
diameter of about one meter. The disc moves up and down through my body,
like the slice of a cucumber. I change speed at times and bounce maybe
15 times in total.

4D. Sometimes I do the tense-then-relax two body parts at a time, in
pairs, for a few seconds. Sometimes I skip doing any relaxation techniques.

5. Sometimes I "put intent" to do a retrieval at this point in time, by
thinking about some very short retrieval episode/scene I know of. I'm
not always doing it as Moen suggests; the so called Silly Little Finger
Exercise (in AKG), but I think I do something very similar if not exactly
the same.


6A. I gather PUL into my being. You can read about that in the start of
this thread. I alternate between thinking of a person and thinking of
a nice place outdoors, where I've been.

6B. To "prime the pumps" I do the Moen exercise, to peel an orange, eat
it, taste it and feel it in my mind's hand. Or a clementine, which is
easier to peel. The purpose is to help the retrieval scene to emerge.
Sometimes I peel more than clementine.

7. Then I wait. And I try to un-see. To un-see means that I don't focus
visually.  Instead I do something which is hard to describe, but I stop
watching. I stop looking at the back of my eyelids. You could say that
I stop "Noticing". Stop seeing. I unsee. Un-see.

8A. I wait. And wait.

8B. I become single minded or empty minded. Wait.

8C. I try to go deep into my session mode. Deep. I relax. And wait.
Close to sleep.

9. Wait. Wait. Wait.

10. Sometimes I may get bored and look again at the swirls or darkness
in front of me. Then I return to unsee. As I unsee I try to sense. Is
there anything around? If I'm unlucky, I fall asleep.

11. If nothing happens after about one hour, I usually feel that I'm
somehow done and finish the session. Sometimes I may have other kinds
of experiences than retrievals, like physical sensations or see some
odd vision, even meeting guides.

12. If I get to see the grainy 3-D darkness, I'm usually close to finishing
the session, but sometimes I continue.


13. So I don't see. I perceive, and sometimes I get a view as a 2-D image.
I don't imagine. I wait. Un-see. And try to perceive, sense if anything is
present.

Sometimes I notice that I go into a sort of sleep/dream state. Then I wake
myself up by quickly trying to remember what has happened, to stay more
awake than asleep, which makes me remember almost everything of the
retrieval as I always want to write it down afterwards.

If I start to sleep, I quickly start to dream. And dreams are easily lost
on awakening. I try to stay awake.

14. If 11 & 12 is not reached, a retrieval may occur. I never request to
meet any Helper to start the retrieval, and I've never managed to start
a retrieval from the 3-D darkness in a Ginny/Selski/Moen style. Retrievals
start differently for me.

I unsee and suddenly:

I may get a non-visual vision in my mind's eye. On a few occasions the
vision may start with me seeing a blurry image with my physical eyes,
but the scene very quickly moves to non-vision image, and from that on
I view the scene and actions by un-seeing.

How can I "see" anything if I unsee? Well, try to get the image of the
Statue of Liberty into your mind. Can you see it in your mind's eye? I
sort of do that, but I try to not imagine too much. If I would see the
Statue of Liberty, I try to perceive/sense what more I can non-physical
view. I also try to perceive any emotions and observe any thoughts that
get into my mind throughout the action and my interaction.


15. Now I'm in un-see mode and I "see" something. It may be a wooden stair.
Some outdoor setting. A road. Perhaps one or more persons in front of me.
It can be a factory, workshop, a train from the outside or a ship. A few
times it can be a beach, a huge room or a forest.

The scene is non-visual but very clear in many details. Other details may
be more blurry or completely unviewable, specially if they are far away.


16. I usually also get feelings, emotions and impressions of the scene.
If I'm lucid enough I will notice that I'm still in C1, and I'm fed a lot
of info about the scene. I can slow down and try to sense what's around me
but usually I get the feeling that "someone" wants me to keep some speed
in my actions once things starts rolling. I may have rapid changes of
my place, sudden shifts of location. Usually I may see a building from the
outside, and in an instant I'm inside the building, without any actual
movement or attempt to move from my part.

17. The emotions and informations I get into my mind may come slowly at
first but in one bunch, like time period, mode of the scene, state of
mind of any thoughtforms. Well, thoughtforms don't have states of mind,
but someone has applied their expectations to the thoughtforms so I may
get a sense of mode in the surroundings or the purpose of a thoughtform.
For example I may see a bald man in a white shirt, he is a thoughtform
and at the same time I get the impression that he is a CEO of a company.
Sometimes I may start with seeing only part of the scene like a doorway,
then my view expands to show me an old saloon.

When I get to see the person who needs to be retrieved, the flow of emotions
may increase and I may get some info which is aimed at helping me doing my
retrieval. It can be things like, "this man killed his girlfriend", "this
person is a drug addict", "this person is in a good mood, but stuck because
she is waiting for someone", "this person is hard working and arrogant, but
puzzled at the same time", "this person feels worthless and depressed", etc.

Sometimes the retrieval target may get into my vision so quickly that I have
to stop the action for a few seconds to figure out that the person in fact
is the one who needs retrieval. The start of most of my retrievals are
often confusing until I figure out that I'm in fact in a retrieval scenario.
If I see more than person, I wait and try to figure out who is who. At
times I just know whom I should follow.

I never get any particular warning that a retrieval has started. I just
have to be observant.


18. Action. Now when I know the scenario, the surroundings, the persons who
are thoughtforms, the buildings, furniture and the mood of the retrieval
person, things may start rolling. It can happen fast. Some retrievals are
over in a minute or a few minutes. Writing them down can take hours because
of the amount of impressions, details of the scene and actions quickly
unfolding. A single retrieval seldom takes more than 10 minutes, but the
relaxation and preparation phase may take more than half an hour. On a few
occasions the retrieval has started within a minute, but that's unusual.

Sometimes my perception of myself may alternate between first person and third
person. When I switch to third person, I may find myself look different,
having a different age, hair color or body shape, being non-human, wearing
different clothes than I normally do, and I usually fit very well into the
time era and expectations of the retrieval person.


19A. My own actions. The scene may change as the retrieval person is moving,
perhaps by bike or walking or moving some items around. At this stage I'm
not completely lucid. I have to concentrate both on going with the flow of
the scene and remain concentrated on my task as things may not go as
smoothly as the Helpers have expected.

One thing I try to keep in my mind at all times is to send PUL. At a few
times I have not been able to send PUL early enough, and I don't know if
that is due to lack of concentration on my side or that there was some
kind of purpose of initially keeping me appear more neutral in the eyes
of the retrieval person.

But I think it is wise to send PUL as soon as the retrieval person shows
signs of distress, fear, distrust, refusal or if the scene turns into
something threatening or gets hostile darkness. I've at a few times sent PUL
covering the whole area of the scene, not just to the retrieval person.

I am under the impression that I must talk to the retrieval person to
transfer energy and get the person's attention to initiate the retrieval
and open the opportunity for Helpers to step in as soon as possible. I have
often noticed that my words come natural and that I will tend to offer or ask
the person to go to some nicer place or to meet someone the person recognize.
Sometimes my actions and words come so natural that I act like a
pre-programmed intelligent robot. I guess that I act out the scene
in accordance with some kind of plan made by Helpers.

At some odd times I may get the intention to carry out an action, but I
doesn't seem to have made the act itself as I become aware of the intention
as the intention feels put on me by some outside force. At the same time
the scene or retrieval person may react in a way, which indicates to me
that I may in fact already have carried out the action, somehow in advance
or in the same moment as I get the intention. Yet I have not actually
carried out the action, as I've only received the intention. This effect
before action is sometimes a little disturbing to me. Or perhaps my action
and the effect come at the same time, but my awareness to do the action
comes first afterwards, which may cause me to redo/repeat the action, but
I'm not sure at all times what happens. If any of you experiences this,
effect-before-action and figures out what happens, please let me know.

Talking to Aspects is done by me stating a question in my head, and then
I very quickly get my own thoughts as answers, like someone pushes their
thoughts into my mind and those thought immediately become my thoughts.
This happens so fast sometimes that I don't always figure out that I have
got the answer almost in the same moment I formulate my question. And I
use the same method to talk to other discarnates. Some retrieval persons
may not respond at times. Finding what triggers a response can be tricky,
but sending PUL helps.

Click outs. Sometimes I may click out, but I've also noticed that the more
retrievals I do, the less I click out. But I may still experience shift
of scenes quite dramatically, from being indoors, to suddenly being outdoors
with the retrieval person.

Eventually things will unfold to a kind of natural end and the person will
move on somewhere. I don't see any Helpers in many cases, but sometimes I
can feel their presence.


19B. My own actions when retrieving an Aspects of Self. An Aspect is not
always as coherent as a discarnate person. Things seem to be different
and I have to trust the scenario and my "automatic" actions much more.

When retrieving an Aspect of Self I don't think it always is sufficient
enough to only send PUL in the form of love. I have felt that I also have to
send feelings of Acceptance. I think Moen calls that PULA (PUL Acceptance),
but I'm not totally sure.

Sometimes it has been enough for me to call my Aspects to me and allow them
to enter me, all by themselves. But at other times I have had to hug or lift
up my Aspect from the floor and push it into me so we merge. I usually tell
the Aspect that it is accepted I want it back into me, so we can be one.

I think that the purpose of retrievals of Aspects of Self is to merge with
lost Aspects, so they no longer are alone and so I'm no longer incomplete.
I think that if the Aspect can't move on its own, I have to non-physically,
in my minds eye, take action and lift and hug/embrace my Aspect and push it
towards me so it merges into my chest.

Sometimes when reading about Aspect retrievals, people mentions that this
kind of retrieval is the hardest to do as there are so many emotions involved.
I agree with that statement.

Sometimes the retrieval of an Aspect may be from an already discarnate.
Such an Aspect just has to be moved to F 27 by Helpers.

When retrieving and merging with my own Aspects of Self I've several times
felt fear and had some disturbing feelings, sometimes days after.


20. I have often had to do more than one retrieval at a the same session.
So when I'm finished with one retrieval, I wait and sense for new
surroundings. If I see something, I often have a new retrieval going.

If I have gotten more than retrieval in the same session, the first
retrieval has always been the hardest one to complete and also the one
which has taken the most time and interaction from my part.

Two or three retrievals are normal in the same session for me, when
things start going.

I've had one sessions where I switched between two different retrieval
sites, as the first retrieval had to be rebuilt with better non-visual
clarity for me.

Between retrieval sessions I may have 10-20 rather uneventful sessions
(read: 10-20 days) with absolutely no retrievals at all.


21. After retrievals I can sometimes have residue feelings. I try to
seek out a guide or place and request to be cleared and healed of any
such bad emotions. I do this with a kind of varied success.

Sometimes the healing has to take place on the next day's session.

At some times, I've been adjusted in advance of a retrieval to better
follow it through. At least that's my interpretation of my guides
adjustments, when they put hands into my head or chest and spin around
me.

If the adjustment has ever given me any physical problem, I don't stop
it. Instead I try to follow whatever change I have to go through. The
problem has always been temporary and usually disappeared in a day.

At some retrievals I can get tons of physical sensations. Most are
goose bumps, where my hair stands on end physically and I feel waves
of energy floods over me. Specially when I finish a retrieval
successfully I get those physical waves of goose bumps.


22. At some times I've went back to the site of the retrieval just to
check that I indeed succeeded with the retrieval. Most of the times
the retrievals are finished, but on one occasion I had missed to
merge with an Aspect who was crippled and immobile.

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MISCELANEOUS

Some more details, with the risk of repeating what I've already said:

My retrievals are done in a sort of 2-D mind's eye vision, like a kind
of interactive remote viewing done from C1 with me in a state close to
regular dream, where I'm (almost) fully aware of my actions and presence
in C1.

The retrieval's Interactive RVing, is a state where I can interact with
the discarnate or the surroundings, like moving objects, untying a rope
of a prisoner, talking to a discarnate and be observed as I go about.


Sometimes I've skipped one or all steps from 1-12 above except for laying
down and closing my eyes. I've suddenly entered a retrieval which the
Helpers & Guides have prepared. I usually become surprised when this
happens, as my preparations have been almost nothing, but I try to go
along with the flow an perform as usual.

I've at one time entered a retrieval when trying to go to sleep.

I've made one retrieval with eyes open while sitting in my bathroom. I
suspect that retrieval had to be done soon as I skipped that retrieval
on the previous occasion as I wanted to sleep.

At some times I've gotten into a retrieval without having put any intention
in advance. I wonder if that are my Guides deciding that someone needs a
retrieval and I'm the most appropriate available. Perhaps some of my earlier
placed intentions can take effect much later?


A comment on my "Wait" part; usually it seems to go 1-4 weeks between my
retrievals, and many other things happen in between, and many times my
sessions are completely uneventful, I may not even see any hypnagogics or
hypnopompics (as I sometimes fall asleep) during my sessions. Sometimes
I meet a guide who just takes me to a town and run around with me, perhaps
to see how much I pick up of my surroundings. Sometimes my guides do some
modifications or adjustments to me which can be interesting experiences,
but they don't lead to retrievals.

At times when I've realized that a retrieval is starting and I've stopped
actively observing the scene and instead gone with the flow, I can at times
act like I do in a regular dream, not questioning my actions too much. I may
do things which I initially had no intention of, like pushing down a wall or
picking up a thoughtform baby. Some people who do retrievals have said that
one knows intuitively what to do once the retrieval starts. I would say
that to some extent I've lost my own free will and just do whatever is
prepared for me in my role of the retrieval.

Sometimes I change some preparation details, I may for example request help
from my I-There or Total Self, instead of using the more general words
Helpers or Guides.

Sometimes my retrieval can start with a 2-D image at the back of my
eyelids, while I still am in "see" mode, but soon the image shifts
into non-physical vision and I start to unsee.

(continued below...)

(from above..)


Regarding my retrievals which can be found in written form on some forums.
I write them down as soon as I've finished. Because I'm mostly awake in C1,
I also remember most details very well. I also think I'm good at observing
and perceiving details, and good at stating my retrievals in text.

A retrieval is like watching a good movie, in which you participate. I'm able
to describe the whole story to someone who hasn't seen the movie, remembering
most details and emotions both from myself and the retrieval person.

What I perceive as events unfolding may be more or less fuzzy. Some part
may be very clear, to the extent that I would recognize the face of the
person if I met that person in C1. Many parts of the retrieval are more
unclear, like the memory of a dream which flows to your mind. I can also
force myself to remember things like emotions, "hidden details" or partly
forgotten details, if not too long time has passed.

Imagine yourself walking to your local shop, putting on your outdoor
jacket, your exit from your apartment, your walk down the stairs, your
walk on the pavement, your view of the surroundings or houses, you pass
people on the way, etc. That's how the scene of my retrievals flow, but
with the difference that I don't have to put any effort into perceiving
anything as it comes to me like the action in a movie, which I'm part of.

Or the retrieval memory can be similar to when you remember a regular dream.
Some parts may be faint, but other parts may be clear and connected. Think
of those parts that are more clear and view them as a continuous movie. That
may be how the retrieval action unfolds when I have a very clear retrieval.
But my retrievals have never been as clear as an LD, as I don't see, I unsee.

I also think that my persistent request for being modified by Helpers and
Guides to become better at astral activities has helped me improve. For
example, I don't click out as often as I did in the beginning. At the
same time, I don't know where this road takes me. :)

If I feel I'm being modified by guides, I just go with the change in as
positive a manner as possible, even if it hurts a little physically.

I'm under the impression that all retrievals are initiated by Helpers and
Guides. I just have to wait until they have set the scene.

I think that anyone can develop their own method for doing retrievals. I
think it helps for me to be open to anything and state that I want to do a
retrieval to eventually get a retrieval going. I try to keep an innovative
mind.

I avoid trying to make things up. This approach of mine may be a little
different from Moen's, as he suggests people to actively imagine things
or scenes. I may do other things. For example I turn around a full turn to
get the impression of what's behind me. I wait and absorb anything from
my surroundings, emotions or I sense things.

I don't fantasies. Instead I wait until a non-visual impression or image
comes into view. Then I start to absorb as much impression of that scene
from all possible senses, including non-physical emotions, as I can. I
collect info, then act on that info.

If in a room, and I see a table, what more can I sense? I wait a few
moments. If nothing comes into my view, I continue moving and make
a contact with the discarnate.

By some reason I don't ask many questions to guides, while the retrieval
unfolds. I rely in the fact that I can perceive things.

I try to seldom reject anything I see. I may try to "wipe" the impression
from my view for a moment and try to have it rebuilt again until I am sure
I see the same thing again and again. But I don't reject something because
it seems unplausible. I try to stay open and believe in what I see.

Sometimes a scene may be very unplausible, and on those rare occasions I
may choose to reject the scene and ask for clarity to have the scene
become rebuilt. I think Ginny has elaborated more on this matter in her
posts. Usually I accept most of the scenes I see, with little questioning.

I try to be aware of all senses not familiar from the physical. If I sense
that a building is empty, except for one discarnates, then I assume that
anyone else I meet in the building is a thoughtform.

I can speak to discarnates or call for Helpers. I do that with thoughts.
Sometimes I manage to non-physically shout, but that also is done in
my mind, in thoughts. If I ask questions, the answers come quickly to
me in my own mind, in thoughts.

If I sense Helpers or Guides somewhere, I assume that I'm right, that
they are Helpers.

When anything become awkward, threatening, hostile, fearful, dark or
menacing, or distrustful, I always send PUL. I send lots of PUL if
needed.

Perhaps my unseeing, my non-visual impression and perceiving, to some
part is what is called NVC (Non-verbal communication), but I'm not
sure. And I can only guess with whom I am communicating.

Many times I don't manage to stay simple minded. My mind may be filled
with lots of everydays thoughts. But then, at some point, I see a scene
and the retrieval starts going. A few times I've seen the scene briefly
the day before, and as I think back on the setting, things may start
to unfold. Sometimes there may be a "first part" where I can't interact,
and that first part serves to give me some background info. Then the
"second part" starts and I'm in the middle of the interactive action
with the retrieval person and sometimes thoughtform people. The scene
pushes behaviors into me, into my role, which is constructed by Helpers
to fit the retrieval persons expectations of whom the retrieval person
will meet in the F 23 environment.

Sometimes the second and third retrieval can be difficult to get rolling.
Perhaps because I've used up some kind of astral energy. I try and try,
until I get a clear vision of the scene. Once the scene or setting is
established the action is more stable through the retrieval.

If I do unexpected things, its probably my guides who have taken
me over for a moment and taken control. I accept losing "free will"
for a moment and do what seems natural. I avoid being too surprised
if I do things I normally wouldn't do, to avoid breaking the scene.

If I don't know what to do, I ask for Helpers to step in. If I'm left
alone I try to figure the situation out.

I have never myself transported the retrieval person to F 27. I've only
been a passenger in a car driven by a Helper who took the retrieval
person to F 27.

I think you can use the same technique you use for retrievals to talk
to guides, while in C1, by use of your mind and thoughts.

That's a heck of a text! Well done!

It should provide some usefuil discussion here.

I'm still at the perceive/interpreter stage and playing around with that to be more aware of eacha dnkjeeping a flow of information going with getting too stuck, but enough to maklr ande remember what has occurred. At least that's my understanding of the purpose of doing this.

The Aspect part I'm also interested in since it could be one of the best more personal therapies out there for those who have experiences that have led to Aspect breaking away.

The issue I have with communicating with Aspects is perhaps a function of time. I need to do more of it. At the moment it just feels like my Ego is answering back instead of an Aspect.

I decided to go about post my how-I-do retrievals on that other forum,
it's somewhat modified and it can be found here.