Just did my 3rd retrieval since finishing Bruce's workshop Book. All 3 have been very clear and detailed, yet i haven't be able to verify any of it. The below is the latest retrieval. I'm full of doubt about it all, but during the sessions it seems 'real'.

Asked my guide for an experience that will prove beyond doubt that I can perceive the non physical.
Waited and then I got the impression he asked “do you want to do a retrieval?, c’mon let’s go”
I followed him as we walked down a city laneway and then round the corner where a coffee shop was. I saw a dark hired young girl looking sad in the window. I went in and ordered a coffee.

I noticed that the girl was no longer there in the window and even though the cafe was busy, no-one was seated around where I saw the girl. So I asked the girl at the counter about it.

She said that a girl had died of a heroin overdose named “Jessica Rainier”  and they say her ghost is still there. People who usually sit there, end up moving because they feel uncomfortable.

So I sat down at the table in question and after a while the girl materialised, yet she seemed more blond and gaunt, more like the heroin junkies you see in movies of salvation army ads. (I feel that was my interpreter overlaying my idea of what a heroin OD person should look like)
“I can see you” I told her.

After a brief conversation i verified the information given by the girl at the counter. Jessica said that she’d died just before her 19th birthday. Very sad, very dejected, she knew she was dead, but because she hated herself so much, she was trapped. The fact that no-one sat hear here only reinforced her feelings about herself. She said her parents were very religious and she rebelled by taking drugs etc.

All the while the helper who was dressed as a 1950’s cop, was standing watching at the door.

I felt so much compassion for her and gave her a big hug sending lots of PUL.

She cracked her hard exterior and said that she still loved her parents, even thought she didn’t like the strict religiousness. She missed her mum, she wanted to love her mum so much, yet couldn’t because of the perceived way her mum treated her. I felt the love coming from 'Jess'.

Then just standing across the road, was an older woman dressed in a big black coat that may have had a fur lining. I felt it was Jess’s  mum and could feel the love coming from her too. Jess’s mum came into the coffee shop and embraced Jess and said “I’m so sorry, I love you”.

While they were embracing, the scene changed to an old manor style house with big staircase and they stayed there hugging.

When I asked my helper / guide for proof that I could take away, they said that the information I got will be evidence enough. I’ve yet to google this.

Perception.
I saw most of this, however the information I ‘felt’. Some were words and clear dialogue, some were impressions.  However I really felt the emotion of the retrieval.
Follow up.
A quick Google search came up with nothing.

Seeing as everyone is more experienced here, can someone shed some light as how i may better be able to validate these experiences?

I've never got any verification so far, but I'm not really looking
for it either. Perhaps some part of me is satisfied with the fact
that I get a lot of goose bumps physically all over when I do
these retrievals and that they roll on by themselves once
started.

Even if I got verification I would be able to doubt things as
there always is the chance for coincidences.

So maybe some part of me will always doubt. :)

Thanks PauliEffectt,
it's more about 'knowing' something is going on that the rational mind can't get it's head around so to speak.

OC,
A little at a time, I think your retrievals will give you confidence in their reality. I have had one instance of verification, although it was not from a retrieval but a conversation with a loved one.  But I will ask you this: What are your options? You can stop doing retrievals altogether, which provides you nothing but regret about what you might have done or learned.  Or you can continue on with an open mind and heart, receptive to whatever signals you may (or may not) receive. Every time I ask for verification during a retrieval, I get the message "not yet, you are not ready". So I guess I will press on.

Hello OutsideCreative,

How is your retrieval experience coming along?

A year or so ago Romaine led a group retrieval experience here that pretty much proved to everyone involved that retrievals are valid. It was a 'double-blind' process as I recall so he could show all the PMs he got on it to the family involved.  That way none of us participating could communicate to each other what we'd individually found.

All our experiences overlapped and correlated.

Because the soul subject had recently passed the family requested all mention of it be removed from this site. They thought any discussion of their loved one's circumstances would affect them negatively.

Looking back at retrievals I've experienced or read about, it seems to me that if one retrieval doesn't make sense to you, you can still find much meaning in looking at several. And also they clear an individual for more spiritual growth in other of spiritual 'categories.'  It's all one.

I hope you do continue in your spiritual development.

Betson

Wow, the universe really does work in wonderful ways. Thanks for your support Bardo and Betson.

I've been asking myself the same question over the last few days and thanks to you guys i've found my answer :)

I've only done 1 retrieval in the last few weeks due to slight disillusion and lack of confidence in what i was doing. I've done a total 22 retrievals but something inside was thinking that seeing as they came so easily, it must have been made up.

However whenever i asked for verification, i'd get some name or date that i had already known, like the name of a friend or someone's birthday which didn't match what the retrieval was about. I ended up just going on the emotion I felt during each one, yet often there was no emotion involved.

However when i think about being 'trapped myself, or lost i think about the plight of others and it fills me with sadness and i want to do what i can. Yes Bardo you're right, and it comes down to compassion, you do whatever it takes and lay yourself open to the lesson and whatever teaching there maybe.

Even if it is all hogwash - the thoughts and actions of wanting to help someone who's really needs help is a noble thing to do.

And Betson it would be interesting to run a similar thing online again. Does Bruce Moen have much do to with this forum?

I'm off to rescue someone.

Outsidecreative:

Hi, I'm not as regular as some others here, but i do have a lot of experience retrieving.  Your work here is exemplary, and i urge you to continue and put your doubts aside.  Pressing for verification can drive you nuts if you let it, meanwhile you're doing all kinds of good work and letting it slip by.
It's so easy to get a name or location slightly wrong and dismiss the whole thing.  Go with the feelings and humour (guides are often humorous).

gordon phinn

Thanks for your words of support Gordon, i really appreciate it. I still go through the doubt and sometimes that paralizes me into doing nothing.

But as the mantra says "trust and let go" .

How did you start to get into doing retrievals?

I don't get verification either, well not normal verification.  I have figured out, in a roundabout way, how to get verification to satisfy my doubt and justify my beliefs.  That is, I've had many types of psychic experience and that in itself is cut and dry.  I feel, know, or clairvoyantly see something that I can't possibly know about the future (or other location) through normal means of perception.  Then it happens exactly as I saw it would, things that I didn't play any role in creating.  In some of my psychic experiences my Guide, or what I call Guidance, is there giving me the information.  Having had this happen hundreds of times can't be denied.

So I extrapolate that to my retrieval experiences and other out of body and exploring out there experiences, and the same Guide or Guidance is there, the same type of feeling, knowing, or seeing is used.  The more I do it, and the more experience I get, I notice the same patterns, same types of feelings, and I experience the same kind of conscious awareness.  Basically what I'm describing are these energy-states of being which if you recognize them on their most basic level, you know what they feel like apart from each other. 

For instance, doesn't being "out there" have a specific type of feeling to you that tells you "Wow, I'm having one of THOSE experiences again!"  There's usually some kind of marker in the form of a specific feeling that only that state of being can feel like.  And you can't just fake it....you can't just sit there either awake or asleep and make yourself fake that state of being.  You're either in it or you're not. 

Eventually some kind of proof will happen for you, but it probably won't be the kind you think you need.  I used what I had to in order to get past my doubts, and in doing so I was able to have more and more experiences. 

I've even had to set aside really even caring whether they are real or not, and just enjoy the experience itself.  I think it opens you up in a way you wouldn't have expected and never could have known otherwise.  I think the bottom line is that it expands your mind and your beliefs, even your emotions. 

We usually don't know what we need in order to get to where we're going.  If you have your goals, intentions, and desires in mind, and you are living your life true to yourself and following your heart, passion, and self-guidance, then you really can't doubt the process it takes to get you there.  It's better to just accept what experience you get along the way.

So, if verification is one of your goals, you'll eventually get what you need.  If you feel you haven't got it yet, then you're still in the process of getting there.  You'll get it if you keep trying, and it definitely sounds like you're having great experiences along the way. 

Vicky

That's very true Vicky, i've recently started to come to that conclusion myself. I've been reading up on Byron Katie and 'the Work' which is about changing belief systems and staying in the present moment.

My old belief was "the images and impressions in get in meditation and retrievals aren't real, i made it all up" and when i applied the "work" - it turned around to be "I trust the impressions and images i get are real for me".

And that simple statement has made a lot of difference.

What I did for verification was not retrievals, but "psychic readings" like mediums do.  You can use the same techniques for retrieval to visit a deceased person, just ask the Helper to come and help you with a visit.

I recommend finding an open-minded online community, such as this one or a "spiritual" place, and starting a thread saying that you have learned afterlife exploration and are interested in contacting deceased loved ones, or something along those lines.  All you really need is the first name of the deceased.  So, say someone responds and gives you the name John.  You would use the retrieval techniques and call a Helper for "just a visit" to John. 

During your visit with John, you would gather information and impressions as always.  But right before you leave, ask John to show or tell you something proving to John's loved one that your contact was real.  Gather that impression.  Go back to the forum and provide the information, including the "verification."

I've received so many validations this way that it's not even funny.  I get goosebumps thinking about some of them.  One in particular gets me-- a blue vase with a very specific floral pattern like a vine.  It was something very special to the deceased.  How on earth could I have just made that up?

I have a loved one you can contact.  His name is Hal.  If you are interested in gathering verification from him, you are more than welcome to contact him and report back to me. 

Hi  Eric,

That's a great idea and one that I definitely want to use and practice with.  I think doing it in person, for me, would be easier to begin with.  I tend to have success more easily with close proximity but I chalk that up to my present level of skill more than having anything to do with what's possible.  I definitely believe that getting instant verifiable evidence is very beneficial for the development of skills and for confidence. 

Thanks Eric and Vicki.

i've done one afterlife investigation for a friend, who only gave me the person's first name and using Bruce's technique i was pretty much close on the mark. But the couple i've done since, the information was vague and unclear.

But i'd love to check out Hal for your eric and you can let me know how close i am.

In the meantime if both you guys want to check out a couple of people for me that would be awesome.

Names are :
Christine and Clare.

Doing afterlife investigation for people can be tricky.  Sometimes people are shocked by my accuracy, other times they look at me funny and say that they have no idea what I am talking about.  I guess you just have to roll with the punches.


Josh Langley wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:18pm:

Christine and Clare.

I will make some notes and save them on my computer.  If Vicki checks on these two as well we can compare notes and see how our impressions compare.   :)

Way cool.

Love this sort of investigation. :)