Alloya Huckfield, a medium talks about channeling Lucifer:

http://alloya.com/PDF%20Files/dark%20beings/The%20Fallen%20Angel.pdf

http://alloya.com/beings%20index.html

Could u just write a summary as I don't want to read a 10 pages doc.

PauliEffectt wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

Could u just write a summary as I don't want to read a 10 pages doc.

Oh come on, a 10 page attachment can't be that bad.  :P

Could some Moderator please find out if these posts are promotions, religious spam, copying of books or commercial PR?

PauliEffectt wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:

Could some Moderator please find out if these posts are promotions, religious spam, copying of books or commercial PR?

Are you kidding me? If you have actually read all of posts, you'll know it is all over the place. I do reference books and give credit with the act of citing my sources as well as give my own personal input to those quotes. Your notion of "copying of books" amuses me as it makes me question your amount of knowledge pertaining to the afterlife, paranormal, New Age, etc.

PauliEffectt wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

Could u just write a summary as I don't want to read a 10 pages doc.

This reminds me of students in school these days who don't want to read but think they can get Cliffnotes version.

serenesam,

"This reminds me of students in school these days who don't want to read but think they can get Cliffnotes version."

Reading a couple of lines of alloya I was bored out of my tits, so skipped it. But I would make a guess that you're not an informational bellboy. Technology has brought forward widespread laziness. So, anyways, be a dear and compress the 10 pages into a sentence for me while my guitar gently yawns. ;)

It doesn't take a genius IQ to sniff out a scam as blatant as this one.

She should change her last name to Huckster.

R

Rondelle:

The same thought came to me when I saw the same advertisement at the below forum.  My comment is there.

I don't want to be overly technical, but did you mean "Hucksterfield?"

Even if a being named Lucifer did exist and somebody was foolish enough to channel such a being, I wouldn't want to hear what that person or Lucy had to say. Why would one want to trust what a dark minded being had to say?



http://www.near-death-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=115933#115933

rec,

"The same thought came to me when I saw the same advertisement at the below forum.  My comment is there."

To be fair it's not more of an advertisement than other links on this or other forums.

"I don't want to be overly technical, but did you mean 'Hucksterfield?'"

Dude, did your PUL subscription just run out? Came up with Bucksterfield, however there's prolly little money to be had from luciferian ventures. Then again, what's fame anyways other than applauded conformity?

"Even if a being named Lucifer did exist and somebody was foolish enough to channel such a being, I wouldn't want to hear what that person or Lucy had to say. Why would one want to trust what a dark minded being had to say?"

Oh well, a just as good laugh could've been had as channeling The Divine Godess of Doormats.

Volu:

I can't say that I'm one hundred percent certain that some hucksterism is involved. There are too many fraudulent sources around to thoroughly discriminate every source that exists, so I read what Alloya had to say only briefly.

Perhaps Alloya actually did hear some channeling from a misleading being who claimed to be Lucifer.  If this is so, then I don't see the value of sharing such a being's misleading thoughts. Perhaps Alloya should consider the value of doing so.

If you consider the state of this world and how unfriendly influences are partly responsible, I believe that more than a laugh is involved.

Regarding my coming up with the same joke as Rondelle, I believe it is possible for people to come up with such jokes even when for the most part they live according to PUL. I say "for the most part" because I'm not perfect.

If Rondelle truly believes Alloya is a huckster, I don't believe it is wrong for him to say so. Hucksters "should" be held accountable for their actions. You don't do people who harm others a favor when you patronize them.

rec,

"Perhaps Alloya actually did hear some channeling from a misleading being who claimed to be Lucifer.  If this is so, then I don't see the value of sharing such a being's misleading thoughts. Perhaps Alloya should consider the value of doing so."

Also read it briefly so won't speak about it. In general, the value gained can be recognition. So too with True material that smells like roses but have their thorns.

"If you consider the state of this world and how unfriendly influences are partly responsible, I believe that more than a laugh is involved."

Yes, it's followed by some mean knee slaps. Their discs are involved too. What do you think is involved other than corporal sounds?

"Regarding my coming up with the same joke as Rondelle, I believe it is possible for people to come up with such jokes even when for the most part they live according to PUL. I say "for the most part" because I'm not perfect."

Teasing. So. Thought the P was for perfect. I better actually read Moens material then. For the most part I'm perfect under certain conditions aka PCL, where the L stands for lark as it's not getting late but the bed seems comfortable.

"If Rondelle truly believes Alloya is a huckster, I don't believe it is wrong for him to say so. Hucksters "should" be held accountable for their actions. You don't do people who harm others a favor when you patronize them."

Yes, yes, and some hearty (softens the blow) patronizing like Bucksterfield, Hacksterfield, Lucifeel or Hucksterfield isn't a favour, but fun, for a while. Until it gets old like new age material rehashes that rises from the ashes.

I'm not at all interested in the above channeled material, but wanted to speak more generally on the issue of Lucifer sometimes aka Satan.  Two outer sources i respect a lot, the E.C. readings and the Remote viewings of Courtney Brown Phd seem to support the existence of such a being as Satan, the original rebeller in Spirit. 

  Interestingly, around the time this thread was started, i was re-reading some of Brown's first book which deals with this topic, especially in light of what he calls a "subspace" (i might call a nonphysical) rebellion that happened and was primarily started by a particularly powerful being with both dark and light in it. 

  More so, he connects this being to be the same that was largely responsible for influencing the original Grays to destructive and self serving ways.  He said that when he was observing this being and ancient history via this R.V. session, this being became aware of him, and shifted to Brown's space/time location and intensely scrutinized Brown for a time, and then suddenly left.  Brown was left with the impression that the being considered him nothing but a pest, and thus not worth wasting energy on.  Perhaps it also helps that despite the fact that Brown perceived this being as very powerful, he didn't feel any fear when directly faced with it?

   Ok, so i've come to learn that the Universe and reality is usually bigger than what my beliefs and mind conceives, and not being one to automatically, completely swallow any info or source of same, i decided to find out for myself.   For awhile, i've thought about the whole Satan thing mostly in terms of allegory and symbolism, rather than literal.

  So i decided to meditate and hook up to guidance before bedtime to see if i could get anything about this issue.  I fell asleep not long after starting the meditation and thus didn't receive anything directly during same, but when i woke up, i remembered an interesting dream which seemed to be the answer from guidance i was looking for. 

  In the dream i became aware of a dark, but powerful nonphysical being.  While i wasn't actively afraid of it, i was aware that i needed to keep out of it's grasp so to speak, as it was chasing me.  My way to avoid capture or whatever i was wary of, was to fly around in a circle increasingly faster and faster, and somehow this kept me away from this being's influence or whatever. 

  I interpreted it thusly; yes there is such a being as Satan with a real existence and who seeks to influence and affect other consciousnesses in a purely negative, non constructive way, but that i shouldn't have any fear of this being (but should have awareness of same). 

  The flying around faster and faster in a circle to avoid same, i took to symbolize that to avoid influence or harm by this being, one needed to raise-speed up their vibrational rate and this would help them to remain untouched or uninfluenced.  As most of us here know, the only real way to do same is by attuning to that consciousness and energy Bruce has labeled PUL.  The more one purely and consistently attunes to & channels same, the faster and faster the vibratory rate increases (and conversely the more the consciousness expands).

  (on a side note, if one becomes PUL incarnate within the physical, then like He/She or Yeshua, they create or realize the Light body).

  Well anyways, this is what i got about the whole issue.  To echo RAM & BM, it's important to find out for yourself what is true or not.  I suspect and know from other experiences with unfriendly beings that calling on the Divine/purely Source attuned Consciousnesses also can greatly help with any contact or issues with unfriendly beings. 

I don't see a problem with the .pdf. If someone can believe there's an old dude trying to make everybody good then why not a guy who volunteered to lead everyone astray also in an effort to ultimately make everyone more evolved. It makes a lot more sense to me than someone revolting against what is actually himself anyway. I'm not looking for a debate on good and evil and all that junk. I just wanted to chime in since everyone was pooing pooing the stuff.

recoverer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2011 at 8:15pm:

Rondelle: The same thought came to me when I saw the same advertisement at the below forum.  My comment is there. I don't want to be overly technical, but did you mean "Hucksterfield?" Even if a being named Lucifer did exist and somebody was foolish enough to channel such a being, I wouldn't want to hear what that person or Lucy had to say. Why would one want to trust what a dark minded being had to say? http://www.near-death-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=115933#115933

Lots of people want to hear what a "dark mind" wants to say:

http://indigosociety.com/showthread.php?34999-Channeling-Lucifer

Right, and lots of people end up in lower realms after they die.


serenesam wrote on Mar 31^st, 2011 at 9:06am:

recoverer wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 8:15pm: Rondelle: The same thought came to me when I saw the same advertisement at the below forum.  My comment is there. I don't want to be overly technical, but did you mean "Hucksterfield?" Even if a being named Lucifer did exist and somebody was foolish enough to channel such a being, I wouldn't want to hear what that person or Lucy had to say. Why would one want to trust what a dark minded being had to say? http://www.near-death-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=115933#115933 Lots of people want to hear what a "dark mind" wants to say: http://indigosociety.com/showthread.php?34999-Channeling-Lucifer

recoverer wrote on Mar 31^st, 2011 at 3:14pm:

Right, and lots of people end up in lower realms after they die. serenesam wrote on Mar 31st, 2011 at 9:06am: recoverer wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 8:15pm: Rondelle: The same thought came to me when I saw the same advertisement at the below forum.  My comment is there. I don't want to be overly technical, but did you mean "Hucksterfield?" Even if a being named Lucifer did exist and somebody was foolish enough to channel such a being, I wouldn't want to hear what that person or Lucy had to say. Why would one want to trust what a dark minded being had to say? http://www.near-death-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=115933#115933 Lots of people want to hear what a "dark mind" wants to say: http://indigosociety.com/showthread.php?34999-Channeling-Lucifer

You know, honestly, I used to believe regarding what you say about lower realms versus higher realms. My views have changed since then for stratification of soul levels creates elitism or superiority of one group over another. I see we are all ONE, ONE Consciousness and as socialistic as that may be, there is no distinction between what we humans in the corporeal form would label as being a high or low realm.

Similarly, I used to believe in karma too but not anymore for ALL are a part of the God Source.....

It isn't a matter of elitism.

Certainly it is better to treat others with love and respect rather than in negative ways.

If a person spent his life living according to attributes such as hate, anger, arrogance, self-centerdness, revenge, etc., then quite naturally he would develop in such a way.

On the other hand, if a person lived his life according to qualities such as humility, respect for others, service to others and love, then quite naturally he would develop in such a way.

Each person, after death, would end up in a realm that matches his overall state of mind.

Just as it is quite unpleasant to see people treat each other in a negative way, it is very unpleasant to be in a realm where spirits do the same.

Just as it is beautiful to see people treat each other with love and respect, it is beautiful to be in a spirit realm where spirit beings do the same.

Sure we're all part of the same oneness, but certainly it is better when beings acknowledge the preciousness of other beings and respond accordingly than it is when they have no concern (and in some case ill will) towards others.

If a being such as Lucifer existed, he would try to twist things by trying to make it seem as if all is equal, by bringing up something such as an elitist argument.

New ageism has been poisoned by the virus of moral relativism.

Beau:

Regarding your pooing pooing the people who cared enough to write what they feel about misleading sources, perhaps a day will come when you will realize that there are many who try to mislead others, and it is quite alright for people to speak up against such misleaders. Defending "everything" in an unthoughtful way doesn't accomplish anything positive. If anything, it enables those who mislead.

Considering that this is a forum that speaks of PUL, why are some posters so indifferent about sources that mislead others?



Beau wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

I don't see a problem with the .pdf. If someone can believe there's an old dude trying to make everybody good then why not a guy who volunteered to lead everyone astray also in an effort to ultimately make everyone more evolved. It makes a lot more sense to me than someone revolting against what is actually himself anyway. I'm not looking for a debate on good and evil and all that junk. I just wanted to chime in since everyone was pooing pooing the stuff.

recoverer wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

It isn't a matter of elitism. Certainly it is better to treat others with love and respect rather than in negative ways. If a person spent his life living according to attributes such as hate, anger, arrogance, self-centerdness, revenge, etc., then quite naturally he would develop in such a way. On the other hand, if a person lived his life according to qualities such as humility, respect for others, service to others and love, then quite naturally he would develop in such a way. Each person, after death, would end up in a realm that matches his overall state of mind. Just as it is quite unpleasant to see people treat each other in a negative way, it is very unpleasant to be in a realm where spirits do the same. Just as it is beautiful to see people treat each other with love and respect, it is beautiful to be in a spirit realm where spirit beings do the same. Sure we're all part of the same oneness, but certainly it is better when beings acknowledge the preciousness of other beings and respond accordingly than it is when they have no concern (and in some case ill will) towards others. If a being such as Lucifer existed, he would try to twist things by trying to make it seem as if all is equal, by bringing up something such as an elitist argument. New ageism has been poisoned by the virus of moral relativism.

As someone who also is a member of the Zeitgeist Movement particularly intrigued by the third movie "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w), behavior is environmentally conditioned. There is also a gene called "the warrior gene" in which outbursts and rage may be more susceptible. Of course, it takes the right environmental context to trigger such bad behavior but keep in mind that when the soul returns back to the God Source, what is in then? What state is it in? And I believe the answer to that is LOVE!

The so-called person you label as being "bad" is a part of you as it is a part of me as it is a part of everything else. It is ALL THAT IS - perfectionism in its OMNI-PRESENCE.

recoverer,
"If a being such as Lucifer existed, he would try to twist things by trying to make it seem as if all is equal, by bringing up something such as an elitist argument."

When you put it that way, any argument that doesn't support the structure of your belief system is luciferian. Come to think about it, maybe everybody sometimes acts as guard dogs for their belief systems.

"Considering that this is a forum that speaks of PUL, why are some posters so indifferent about sources that mislead others?"

Maybe they're being unconditional about it?

I believe that all beings either directly or indirectly come from the same divine source. Therefore, eventually (hopefully) all of them find their way back.

Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that it is just as preferable to do things that harm others as it is do things that benefit others.

Even if a person does channel a being named Lucifer, and Lucifer is presently manifesting in an evil way, why would somebody want to listen to what such a being has to say? The words of a being with malicious intent can't be trusted. It will fool as many people as well allow themselves to be fooled. Twisted logic isn't accurate no matter how clever it seems....to some people.

One thing that is clear is that there is far too much negativity in this world. There is no way for example that many women want be beaten repeatedly by abusive men or that many children want to be forced into prostitution.

Rather, it is a matter of negative minded people and the dark beings who influence some of them getting their way.

Why allow this to continue? Why listen to the untrustworthy and misleading words of an evil-minded being?

When it comes to the oneness, do beings who intentionally harm others have the welfare of the oneness in mind, or are they trying to prevent it from reaching a state of perfection? The more they succeed the more unnecessary suffering people and other beings will have to go through.

I swear Volu. Sometimes it seems as if you are contrary just for the sake of being contrary. I don't believe it would serve a purpose for me to try to explain myself. If you want to truly know where I am coming from you can do so without my writing more than I already have.

If there are people who want to jump on the lucifer channeling band wagon that's their choice. Some people are much more sensible.




Volu wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

recoverer, "If a being such as Lucifer existed, he would try to twist things by trying to make it seem as if all is equal, by bringing up something such as an elitist argument." When you put it that way, any argument that doesn't support the structure of your belief system is luciferian. Come to think about it, maybe everybody sometimes acts as guard dogs for their belief systems. "Considering that this is a forum that speaks of PUL, why are some posters so indifferent about sources that mislead others?" Maybe they're being unconditional about it?

recoverer wrote on Apr 6^th, 2011 at 4:17pm:

I believe that all beings either directly or indirectly come from the same divine source. Therefore, eventually (hopefully) all of them find their way back. Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that it is just as preferable to do things that harm others as it is do things that benefit others. Even if a person does channel a being named Lucifer, and Lucifer is presently manifesting in an evil way, why would somebody want to listen to what such a being has to say?

Lots of people are influenced by evil and will not only listen to it but some of them will even kill you for disagreeing. Psychopaths for example, are almost always not-treatable.


Quote:

One thing that is clear is that there is far too much negativity in this world. There is no way for example that many women want be beaten repeatedly by abusive men or that many children want to be forced into prostitution.

And because of such negativity, children emulate and follow that kind of behavior.

recoverer,
"I swear Volu. Sometimes it seems as if you are contrary just for the sake of being contrary."

The devil's advocate responds: help me... please! I played the advocate, but then became him.. help..

Other times it's simply what makes sense, so be it if out of the box, and maybe an angle that isn't a crowd pleaser.

"If you want to truly know where I am coming from you can do so without my writing more than I already have."

Hehe, did you enjoy the picture in the mind of being a guard dog for one's belief systems? - It's an honest observation; some may be unconditional about it, and turning the other cheek may have been the gateway drug.

"If there are people who want to jump on the lucifer channeling band wagon that's their choice. Some people are much more sensible."

And some people make choices regardless of what we think, without as mentors/gurus. Insolent crappety smacks.