Hi,

Has anyone else been gently guided (advised) to move their center of consciousness within their physical body from their head area to their heart?

Kind regards,
Tebaron

Hi Tebaron,

I've received that message too.
Many spiritual traditions also say they emphasise it, although with all the other information they present, imo it's a message that often gets overlooked. Maybe in our culture it got watered down and so  ignored.
Are you saying your spiritual guidance told you that directly?

Thank you for the reminder.
Bets

Hi Bets,

Yes. I have received the guidance from my Higher/Greater Self.

I have been informed that once this becomes habitual, it brings great inner peace and provides the firm foundations for 'actively living' PUL.  :)

Kind regards,
Tebaron

(P.S. Whenever I communicate with my Higher/Greater Self, he/she always starts with "I am here beloved... always" )

Hi Tebaron,
for newbies to this idea in a practical sense (I've heard of it but never got around to the practical idea of it) can you give hints or tips on how you do this?

Come to that, how do you get the conscious link to one's Higher/Greater self in the hurly burly of everyday existence?

Best wishes,
David.
:)

Hi All: This is a timely threadl Because the more people who can do this easily actually practice it the more we will see the physical world around us change for the better in subtle ways and maybe not so subtle ways... look up the events surrounding Attila and the patron St. of Paris... Genevieve.

North Korea at this moment is on the verge of tripping a major conflict in the Far East...

S.

All of Drunvalo Melchizadek's current teaching is about heart-centered energy. In what he calls the "Masculine Way" he literally visualizes moving his consciousness from his third eye area, down through his jaw and neck to his beating heart. He then enters the heart quite literally through a tiny door he finds around back. In contrast, in what he calls the "Feminine Way" he instructs to take a few deep breaths and to visualize yourself within the Heart Space. I have also used more elaboate visualizations (one called "The Tree of Life" from Heartlines at Monore, the big Wednesday exercise....) some of which are guided.

In any case, it seems that those things manifested within the Heart Space do not engender the same polarized energy that things conjured in the Mind Space will. It is in that Heart Space I urge you to literally image the New Earth which will arise from exactly this visualization. When I "go out there" and ask what is going to happen, they sort of look surprised and say, "We were going to ask you that..." That is because IT IS US who will create it this time.

I urge you to listen to your heart, so to speak. It is groups like this that will literally create our future. Meditation, imaging within, and creating from the Heart Space is a great "secret", Monroe's "basic", that Love is all there is. The rest of it is blah-blah-blah.

Great Love and Light,

Thomas

tgecks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2010 at 9:57am:

When I "go out there" and ask what is going to happen, they sort of look surprised and say, "We were going to ask you that..." That is because IT IS US who will create it this time. I urge you to listen to your heart, so to speak. It is groups like this that will literally create our future. Meditation, imaging within, and creating from the Heart Space is a great "secret", Monroe's "basic", that Love is all there is. The rest of it is blah-blah-blah. Great Love and Light, Thomas

Hi T: That is very interesting because the St. Genevieve story of the divine protection of Paris begins with a vision in which she is told to tell the people to go into there homes and pray and fast... to build a divine energy shield around the city...

America began with an American dream... what year did we as a people stop believing in the American dream!!! To be sure this was a dream of material abundance... but, it happened... when did the masses of America stop believing in it??

Now is the time to return to the sending out the frequency that we will be lead by visionary intuitive leaders... that abundance and security is our birthright... let us here in this forum change the world..

S.

tgecks,

"I urge you to listen to your heart, so to speak. It is groups like this that will literally create our future. Meditation, imaging within, and creating from the Heart Space is a great "secret", Monroe's "basic", that Love is all there is. The rest of it is blah-blah-blah."

The opposite view is that love is blah-blah-blah. Basically, two opposites who think they are the superior side, that the other side is useless. If the basics were blah-blah-blah that'd make the progression to advanced unavailable. Progression isn't uniform in tempo - different levels. Different levels means different lessons. Taking away the possibility to learn lessons because one's done with them doesn't make sense. The light side is just as arrogant as the dark side, so much so that it claims the dark doesn't exist. Both are needed to attain balance, a melding of both. Heart can be soft, caring, loving, warm and relaxingly fun - it can also be a source for passion when freedom is faced with bars, albeit a shiny cage decorated with pink flowers and smileys, allegedly for the good of all.

Volu wrote on Nov 25^th, 2010 at 1:51pm:

tgecks, "I urge you to listen to your heart, so to speak. It is groups like this that will literally create our future. Meditation, imaging within, and creating from the Heart Space is a great "secret", Monroe's "basic", that Love is all there is. The rest of it is blah-blah-blah." The opposite view is that love is blah-blah-blah. Basically, two opposites who think they are the superior side, that the other side is useless. If the basics were blah-blah-blah that'd make the progression to advanced unavailable. Progression isn't uniform in tempo - different levels. Different levels means different lessons. Taking away the possibility to learn lessons because one's done with them doesn't make sense. The light side is just as arrogant as the dark side, so much so that it claims the dark doesn't exist. Both are needed to attain balance, a melding of both. Heart can be soft, caring, loving, warm and relaxingly fun - it can also be a source for passion when freedom is faced with bars, albeit a shiny cage decorated with pink flowers and smileys, allegedly for the good of all.

Hi Volvu: That is some play book you are reading from. Good luck with it...  :)

S.

For me, the method of trying to move one's point of awareness to the heart center didn't work well. The heart "chakra" in my case is quite unremarkable- almost as if I had none. But I've discovered something different, much to my surprise. Recently, when I meditated in the way to get rid of my ego, you know, to drop all definitions of what and how I am, so that there finally are thoughts and sensations, but no one who has them, there had been a change at the heart area, as if a blockade had gone, a widening, a freeing, which was really enjoyable.

Spooky

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

Volu wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:51pm: tgecks, "I urge you to listen to your heart, so to speak. It is groups like this that will literally create our future. Meditation, imaging within, and creating from the Heart Space is a great "secret", Monroe's "basic", that Love is all there is. The rest of it is blah-blah-blah." The opposite view is that love is blah-blah-blah. Basically, two opposites who think they are the superior side, that the other side is useless. If the basics were blah-blah-blah that'd make the progression to advanced unavailable. Progression isn't uniform in tempo - different levels. Different levels means different lessons. Taking away the possibility to learn lessons because one's done with them doesn't make sense. The light side is just as arrogant as the dark side, so much so that it claims the dark doesn't exist. Both are needed to attain balance, a melding of both. Heart can be soft, caring, loving, warm and relaxingly fun - it can also be a source for passion when freedom is faced with bars, albeit a shiny cage decorated with pink flowers and smileys, allegedly for the good of all. Hi Volvu: That is some play book you are reading from. Good luck with it...  :) S.

I agree, S.  If one looks for the opposite they will certainly find it.

usetawuz,
"If one looks for the opposite they will certainly find it."

Looking for the opposite, eh? Both. It doesn't have to be a choice of just too much or too little. A knowledge of both means it's possible to achieve just about the right amount. But anyways the topic, heart, greatly enhances sensitivity and sympathy, and is an important guide. I had a very powerful opening of that chakra, which changed my direction completely. Became a love 'n light kinda guy for years. Thought that was the top of the world so to speak. Now I'm looking for balance in a spiritual sense, like a sound engineer with an EQ unit, dialing in cuts and boosts to make the track sound right. Can't say that I've found it, but the opposite extremes don't seem right.

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2010 at 11:56am:

[quote author=5B484A4C445C2F0 link=1290348980/5#5 date=1290693477] Hi : It is very interesting that the St. Genevieve story of the divine protection of Paris begins with a vision in which she is told to tell the people to go into there homes and pray and fast... to build a divine energy shield around the city... America began with an American dream... what year did we as a people stop believing in the American dream!!! To be sure this was a dream of material abundance... but, it happened... when did the masses of America stop believing in it?? Now is the time to return to the sending out the frequency that we will be lead by visionary intuitive leaders... that abundance and security is our birthright... let us here in this forum change the world.. S.

Lol!! It looks like this is the wrong board to broach the idea of saving the world... I wonder if we could have the moderators create another subject dedicated to this attempt... it might help to prevent the coming need for massive retrieval efforts... just a thought.

S.

Seraphis1,

"Lol!! It looks like this is the wrong board to broach the idea of saving the world... I wonder if we could have the moderators create another subject dedicated to this attempt... it might help to prevent the coming need for massive retrieval efforts... just a thought."

How would a saving/changing of the world go about? How could you or a group here know what's best for the rest? The ones about to be "saved" have a different vision - drop the nonsensical non-physical fantasy, buy a lot of stuff you don't need, and be happy - which moves them to want to save you, now what? Where are the total selves of the incarnations in all this, nevermind what they want their incarnations to experience, the board has the final say?

Volu wrote on Nov 29^th, 2010 at 12:43pm:

Seraphis1, "Lol!! It looks like this is the wrong board to broach the idea of saving the world... I wonder if we could have the moderators create another subject dedicated to this attempt... it might help to prevent the coming need for massive retrieval efforts... just a thought." How would a saving/changing of the world go about? How could you or a group here know what's best for the rest?

Hi Volu: I never thought anyone would ask. But since you did here is what I think. The model case is St. Genevieve and the saving of Paris. The story goes like this: As Attila invaded Gaul and began burning towns and villages… St. Genevieve had a vision in which an angel (we know them as spirit guides) told her to get the people of Paris to into their homes, pray and fast… apparently they did… and Attila by passed Paris and hit Orleans…

This is a perfect example of what us Monrovian/Moen students understand as focused intention.

What the mind of man can conceive and believe the mind can achieve.

Note: Moen has the perfect exercise to developed focused intention: The Silly Little Finger exercise.

Here is what I think happens:

http://apokalypso.com/jblch6_files/image001.gif

Visualize your head at the base of the bottom cone… a focused intention creates a frequency which narrows to a point and if you are successful as St. Genevieve and the people of Paris were (obviously) one penetrates into the Astral Mud (the malleability of the astral sphere) which then generates that frequency (in their case St. Genevieve was told by the angel that with all the people of Paris working together they would generate a protective field around the city) and sends it back to you or you target which is the world.

We don’t want to tell people what they want, what we want to do is create a safe world in which they can have what they want…

This the frequency I am sending out:

I want to attract into the world leaders who are intelligent, intuitive and loving who will bring about peace, prosperity /abundance  and freedom and justice for all.

I expect the Astral sphere to send that frequency back to me.

S.

Seraphis1,
"I never thought anyone would ask. But since you did here is what I think."

Hehe. :)

"As Attila invaded Gaul and began burning towns and villages… St. Genevieve had a vision in which an angel (we know them as spirit guides) told her to get the people of Paris to into their homes, pray and fast… apparently they did… and Attila by passed Paris and hit Orleans… This is a perfect example of what us Monrovian/Moen students understand as focused intention."

Hide, make a phone call to hollow heavens and a detox needed for focused intention. Doesn't really sound like monroe to me. :P

"What the mind of man can conceive and believe the mind can achieve"

Are you talking about the physical? The mind can conceive a feline metal dog with a golden heart and a nicely decorated christmas tree for a head, that's just as loving and happy as a regular dog, but there are still physical rules and other agreements, or it wouldn't be the earth life system.

"Visualize your head at the base of the bottom cone…"

I don't understand that. Would swirling around three times before focusing the thoughts help? ;)

"We don’t want to tell people what they want, what we want to do is create a safe world in which they can have what they want…"

Good answer. But people still want what they want, and your definition of a safe world, mine, and theirs prolly include a lot of differences. Who's to decide what is a safe world for the lot of us?

"I want to attract into the world leaders who are intelligent, intuitive and loving who will bring about peace, prosperity /abundance  and freedom and justice for all."

Qualities aside, why do you feel the need for leaders?

Volu wrote on Nov 30^th, 2010 at 4:38pm:

Seraphis1, "I never thought anyone would ask. But since you did here is what I think." Hehe. :) "As Attila invaded Gaul and began burning towns and villages… St. Genevieve had a vision in which an angel (we know them as spirit guides) told her to get the people of Paris to into their homes, pray and fast… apparently they did… and Attila by passed Paris and hit Orleans… This is a perfect example of what us Monrovian/Moen students understand as focused intention." Hide, make a phone call to hollow heavens and a detox needed for focused intention. Doesn't really sound like monroe to me. :P

On the Monroe wave series there is an exercise in which you make list things you want and send them out into the Astral… he doesn’t explain the mechanism but Rhonda Byrne does in The Secret… it is all in the frequency that you send out… it comes back to you… this is because the astral is malleable clay out of which any postulate with intention and will can shape it and materialize it in the physical… I don’t mean to say it is easy… but, it is doable with will, persistence and intention.


Volu wrote on Nov 30^th, 2010 at 4:38pm:

"What the mind of man can conceive and believe the mind can achieve" Are you talking about the physical? The mind can conceive a feline metal dog with a golden heart and a nicely decorated christmas tree for a head, that's just as loving and happy as a regular dog, but there are still physical rules and other agreements, or it wouldn't be the earth life system.

Heck that would be easy in robotics… but all kidding aside yes there are rules… up to a point… but the mind of man can create new rules…


Volu wrote on Nov 30^th, 2010 at 4:38pm:

"Visualize your head at the base of the bottom cone…" I don't understand that. Would swirling around three times before focusing the thoughts help? ;)

Oh come on now Volu, that is a visualization device to show how you focus an intention… the intention has to penetrate the Astral… that is a skill, it takes savvy and effort to accomplish it… everyone has the ability to do it… not everyone knows they can… not everyone will put the dedication and effort into doing it and not everyone has the mystical technological tools to accomplish the skills… I am a long way from perfecting the Silly Little Finger exercise… tho I am trying… master that exercise and you master the universe…


Volu wrote on Nov 30^th, 2010 at 4:38pm:

"We don’t want to tell people what they want, what we want to do is create a safe world in which they can have what they want…" Good answer. But people still want what they want, and your definition of a safe world, mine, and theirs prolly include a lot of differences. Who's to decide what is a safe world for the lot of us?

What I want is a world that someone isn’t trying to blow up every five minutes. I want a world where people respect boundaries… so that one can pursue life, liberty and happiness… is that too much to ask??


Volu wrote on Nov 30^th, 2010 at 4:38pm:

"I want to attract into the world leaders who are intelligent, intuitive and loving who will bring about peace, prosperity /abundance  and freedom and justice for all." Qualities aside, why do you feel the need for leaders?

Leaders decide who to blow up and whose stuff they are going to take. I want leaders who respect… life, liberty and the right of all men and women to pursue happiness…

That’s how it works…

S.

Hi Seraphis1,

"Oh come on now Volu, that is a visualization device to show how you focus an intention… the intention has to penetrate the Astral… that is a skill, it takes savvy and effort to accomplish it… everyone has the ability to do it… not everyone knows they can… not everyone will put the dedication and effort into doing it and not everyone has the mystical technological tools to accomplish the skills…"

Some are unaware of it, but doing it all the time, without turning the clock back five seconds every fifth second for it to work. :P

"What I want is a world that someone isn’t trying to blow up every five minutes. I want a world where people respect boundaries… so that one can pursue life, liberty and happiness… is that too much to ask??"

One can pursue life, liberty and happiness despite external turmoil. Want a better world, why not start with oneself and internal change? One's role change by reducing polarity issues with others. Though it might get fiery the other way around when the hood notices the ranks are getting thinned out. The prospect of one less player, the monroe insitute logo in action. ;)

"Leaders decide who to blow up and whose stuff they are going to take. I want leaders who respect… life, liberty and the right of all men and women to pursue happiness… That’s how it works…"

Leaders/lords/masters decide and you follow. Or not. I'm a drop, not the wave, so my intention is to steer clear of trying to control that. But not perfect by any measure.