11/7/2010 - Afternoon session:

I am in a whole new territory and I have no guidance regarding it.

Now I am out-of-body

Now I am an inward body

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Diaphragmatic breathing was sporadic… I need to develop a consistent procedure… but eventually go to f10.

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2

Not complete conscious for the above..

joob d

Then the shift came and I felt first pressure at the brow point… the Muladhara chakra pulsated… the heart chakra buzzed the solar plexus chakra hummed… but the odd thing is I was very conscious of wanting to abort the exercise… I did not fight it… I stayed in the exercise for a while but decided to come out after 7 mins of joob…

I wonder why I am not in f15 or higher and not so ready to come out…??

I am not going to fight this new development but this is very positive because it seems my chakras are activating or trying to activate… will see where this goes…

S.

11/7/2010 - Evening session:

Holy cow!!! So much energy morphing took place I had to look in the mirror after the session to make sure I am the same physical entity.

Now I am out-of-body

Now I am an inward body

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Learning to time the diaphragmatic breathing sequence better… it really works nice… (suggested reading for an idea how diaphragmatic can alter your reality… ’An Unlikely Prophet’ by Alvin Schwartz)… also Frank Kepple recommends the technique.

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2

Was conscious of the SLE exercise then lost consciousness of it and returned to consciousness in the P/I exercise… don’t remember the Imagination exercise

joob d

Though I seem to have lost consciousness of the exercises I was aware of energy shifting and let it happen… I can see how one could become frightened by the morphing sensations if one was new to the work… this came out of the blue and it is a sea change, but, I just let it all happen… you feel like you are not the same person anymore… Since in the mirror I look the same… my whole energy body MUST have mutated into something new and different, but, I can’t see it, all can do is feel it.

S.

11/9/2010 - Afternoon session:

Very robust session.

Now I am out-of-body

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Smooth breathing sequence into f10 by end of cut.

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Pressure around the crown (always feels like the crown of thorns)… letting go… becoming the watcher… (is this what Kepple means by noticing)… muscle release under the left tibia… fundamental body swimming (some practicianers say you can roll the fundamental energy body with in the physical body… I try it by not yet successful with the maneuver )…going deeper… energy surges around the eyes… letting go…

Perceiver/Interpreter:

I become aware of an idea… ‘no church and state’… aware of revolutionary war uniforms… Alexander Hamilton… brow point pressure… red coats everywhere… someone captured… activity a lattice pane glass window in the background… young Andrew Jackson… pain left side of spine thoracic four five… (hit by butt of gun…???)… in a hollow space blue jackets… here hammering against metal plates… at sea… see three masts… energy mass in my sinuses… energy streaming in the calf…

Imagination exercise 2

I see the 3d blackness forming… I am hoping to merge into it… stuff is going on in it… but have trouble sustaining it… I hear the tape instruction: ‘Pull in light from above…’ I pull energy from above can feel it flowing down my spine… comes out the bottom of my feet flows back up to crown… absorbed…

joob d

Pressure in the brow point… now the joob disc kicks in… I begin the mantra:

Now I am out-of-body

Real tension in the nasal area… visualizing the TMI crystal… wanting to project to it… it is quit dark in Faber… (was I really there… it is usually light… [4pm pst time… 7pm est… it should be dark in Farber, Virginia at the time… I think I was there… but, didn’t compute it at the time.)

People on the lawn with white robes… (Don’t think RTZ - TMI has a white robe outfit… must be the astral plane)… EOS

Note: Didn’t have an inward phasing shift this session.

S.

11/14/2010

Dream:

I am looking down a long corridor… I see a tall man dressed like an Anglican priest wearing a maroon pull over vest with a white cross on it… he seemed ominous and strode toward me… I ducked into a side door he came in after me… I shouted at him… then as I was awakening I realized I was momentarily obe…

Interpretation:

Clearly and obe dream… but, is my belief system issue with obe connected with the christian religion? Since I was raised in the Catholic tradition but only loosely… nothing obsessive and it was easy to drop it… but this fellow was Anglican…

There is some barrier to exiting that I am experiencing at the moment… I have spontaneously exited out of a tube on the left side of my skull… left lobe… and I am right there in my last few sessions but a balking takes place on the exit is just stymied… the last time I exited from that location I seem to remember getting permission from some source… it all happened very quickly…

S.

11/17/2010 - Afternoon session:

Haven’t posted since the 12th because I can’t really explain what is happening… but, this session saw if not a clear o.b.e. certainly a grudging one…

Now I am out-of-body

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

I now have the diaphragmatic breath sequence under better control… it seems the diaphragm which is a muscle is doing what a muscle that is exercised does… it changes shape and developes… I didn’t expect that development but there it is and I am getting to f10 nicely and smoothly 

Silly Little Finger exercise:

I get into the exercise but loose consciousness of it. I think what is happening is that I am clicking out the sense system that hears and computes the disk instruction… 

Perceiver/Interpreter:

I get into the exercise but loose consciousness of it. I think what is happening is that I am clicking out the sense system that hears and computes the disk instruction… 

Imagination exercise 2

I get into the exercise but loose consciousness of it. I think what is happening is that I am clicking out the sense system that hears and computes the disk instruction… 

joob d

Now, I am fully into the mantra…

Now I am out-of-body

Then, I am o.b.e. of a sort… slightly out of body… through out the exercise I am aware of  the fundamental energy body just very busy shifting around… the heart chakra sputters now and then… the I realize I need to get away from my body… I then call for … TMI - crystal now!! I am there… on the concrete platform… aware of the lawn the tree line ahead and right… the fence with the red barn by the lake in the distance… but, I am confused… I feel my body with pressure in the brow point… am I obe?? Or mind split… the only other thing might be I am denser than I should be… because I realize I am hugging the crystal… and it is quite solid and I am not sliding through it…

Then, I wonder what I should do and remember not to stay out to long in the early attempts… so I return to c1.

S.

11/19/2010 - Evening session:

Well, well, well… reached another level… it is now clear to me that I have reeched another plateau of inner awakening… it just takes patience, persistence and faith in the process… the reality of what we do is that it doesn’t come generally in great revelatory explosions of phenomena… the diligent work is simply rewarded with slow changes that add up to small breakthroughs…


Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Very powerful gradual shift to f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2

Now I am certain that I am not losing consciousness I am shutting down the physical senses but the inner me is still responding to the exercise.… 

joob d

Aware of the hemi-sync signal kicking in… didn’t even think of my mantra… ‘Now I am out of body’… I was in a state of heightened awareness. Then the steady ringing or humming of the non-physical engine began to kick in… now the energy cones…

http://apokalypso.com/jblch6_files/image001.gif

Note: turn this picture in your mind ninety degrees and visualize it between my ears… and that’s what the energy cones look like or feel like…

…pulled and pushed and revved up… I almost got ’wahunka’ between the ears… but I didn’t attempt to enhance the state… in the past that only turns things off… now I just let things happen… there is a slight fear of loss of control… but I realize the goal is ’abandon’…

I am confident that going forward I am about to breakout consistently into the non-physical… the fundamental body shifted… the rtz-double attempted to separate… the heart chakra really wants to get going… very happy with my progress… almost there…   

S.

11/22/2010 - Afternoon session:

Well, well… my sessions for the last few days have been unremarkable… actually this one was unremarkable except for one thing… I have been trying to remember the first name of a person haven’t seen in two years but worked with for several… I remembered his last name but could not remember his first name… in the session out of nowhere… came a soft… Josh!!!!

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2
joob d

S.

11/23/2010 - morning session:

Another inner shift accompanied by a kind of tearing of the veil… I could see 3d blackness coming thru the tares??? … attempting to form all over randomly over my view screen area… I am attempting to let go… and their seems to be a whole world of letting go to do… some of this maybe related to a book I am reading that has an easy why of dealing with ‘core beliefs’… and I was amazed how quickly effective the methodology is… Excavating the Core by Stephanie Riseley http://www.stephanieriseley.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=11 the thing that really makes me think is how interconnected everything is… all these systems seem to be parts of a greater whole and one runs into them as one needs them…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2
joob d

S.

I got my JOOB set today. I started with listening to JOOB D right away. I couldn't wait. :)

I noticed that the manual said that the JOOB CDs originated from the first Monroe book method! So it's still the way to do things, wow. I thought that method was out of fashion at TMI.


JOOB D

I had to turn up the sound compared to Buhlman's Power of Seven CD (POS).

I got into some altered awareness state quite quickly, but it didn't really feel as with POS, but still pretty close to that stage of awareness, kind of my impression of some sort of Focus 10.

I got a lot of tickling feelings like energy was stirring around and up from my feet.

After a while my hands became "unfeeling" and wobbly. this has happened a few times before without any H-S sound.

I must have clicked out or fallen asleep, because the session seemed to short to be an hour. My vision change back and forth mostly with swirling 2-D darkness.

At the very end I got a needle prick in my right foot. It hurt. And then I almost got into something that felt like the 3-D darkness, but only seconds later the CD was finished and I went up.

Interesting but nothing really new or unusual this first time.

Edit: At start of CD I hear an astral sound, like a plastic binder slamming into the floor. Later I got one of those silly body jolts.

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2010 at 3:08pm:

At the very end I got a needle prick in my right foot. It hurt. And then I almost got into something that felt like the 3-D darkness, but only seconds later the CD was finished and I went up.

Hi Pauli: check the reflexology foot map what organs are reacting??


PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2010 at 3:08pm:

Interesting but nothing really new or unusual this first time. Edit: At start of CD I hear an astral sound, like a plastic binder slamming into the floor. Later I got one of those silly body jolts.

You are aware that those sounds are obe exit sounds... you are just not aware of the exit... the body jolt is also an lighting exit and return symptom.

S.

Seraphis1;
it was corresponding to my right shoulder, upper outside of right foot, below my little toe. No particular important chakra area. :)

I don't know what the astral sound or body jolts are, but it could be me just having some difficulties going into relaxation. I have less body jolts now compared to 3 months ago.

An amazing session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

The following happens during these exercises:

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2

Full of medieval pageantry and the like started off with a royal blue gem

http://www.arkadiancollection.com/files/KY14-Royal-Blue-Kyanite-Gemstone.jpg

Then this song began to fill my brain through out most of the session:

They asked me how I knew my true love was true I of course replied "something here inside cannot be denied" They said "someday you'll find all who love are blind" When your heart's on fire, you must realize smoke gets in your eyes So I chaffed them and I gaily laughed to think they could doubt my love Yet today my love has flown away, I am without my love Now laughing friends deride tears I cannot hide So I smile and say "when a lovely flame dies, smoke gets in your eyes" (smoke gets in your eyes, smoke gets in your eyes) Smoke-gets-in-your-EYES

Then a fountain of white energy cascaded uproar out of my heart chakra:

http://www.discount-pumps.biz/GUSHER_A.jpg

All the time a great pressure had my head in vise grip…

The whole session was loaded with medieval imagery

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/186027/1/Portrait-Of-A-Man-In-A-Fur-Coat,-C.1566.jpg


When I got to this exercise:

joob d

I began my mantra

Now I am out-of-body

that’s when I got a sharp pain in my index, middle and ring finger of my right hand …

http://www.dorlingkindersley-uk.co.uk/static/cs/uk/11/features/reflexology/handchart.html

These are all brain related… I then began to see the bellowing clouds… that I know to be f27... Is the cerebral cortex the seat of f27... I was now pretty much either phased or out of body but in my case I have a close awareness of my physical body… I then called out ‘tmi - crystal now’ I was there but not in the classic obe but, I now think this phasing… but, I again encountered the spirit of a student I was in a class with ‘P’ she was very prominently in the background… either she is attached to the TMI grounds or she has somehow attached herself to me in the upper focus levels… this  is very puzzling…

Amazing session to say the least..

S.

Today I did listen to the first 3 CDs of JOOB, nothing special happened.

Then I continued with JOOB D, but aborted after half the time due to my back problems. I noticed that both this time and yesterday, my tongue turned its tip upwards in kind of R Bruce style. I don't know why, but perhaps it makes the flow of energy move easier?

I'll probably not write my notes as often until I get some better success. but I know Seraphis1 requested that, but if I do no progress I don't think it's particular valuable.

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2010 at 3:08pm:

Edit: At start of CD I hear an astral sound, like a plastic binder slamming into the floor. Later I got one of those silly body jolts.

Hi Pauli: I am not recording todays session because the whole thing was attempt to exit which I did once and I can confirm to you that the body jolt IS a lightening fast exit just as Robert Bruce says... this time it was slow enough that I was aware of the etheric double and what it felt like for enough of a time to recognize it when it flopped back into my body... this all happened around the shoulders...

I now think that the etheric body (just as Robert Bruce says) is not viable until you shift your p.o.c. into it... and then you have a functioning entity... this is why most the time these entities are seen in a daze wondering around the near astral area... as Robert and Muldoon says its only function is to recharge at night when you are asleep.

Getting closer tho to a consciously controlled classic o.b.e...

S.

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2010 at 3:08pm:

Edit: At start of CD I hear an astral sound, like a plastic binder slamming into the floor. Later I got one of those silly body jolts.

The body jolt:

Here is what I think the body jolt is…

1. Astral projection according to Muldoon and Robert Bruce is an automatic reflex.
2. The way it works is this when both the body and mind are asleep the automatic reflex causes a projection of the etheric double which then recharges and this keeps the body alive. Thus every night when one accomplishes the function of sleeping the etheric double projects.
3. The reflex only works when both the body and the mind are asleep.
4. What we do is try to fool the reflex by getting the body asleep and quieting the mind enough so that the reflex thinks the mind is asleep.
5. When we get to certain deep states or relaxation the reflex triggers, but, at the speed of light it snaps the reflex off when it detects the mind not asleep that switch causes the body jolt.

When you get a body jolt it means you are doing something right… but, you have to find a way to keep doing that right thing even more…

I got close to doing it right and I had a slow shutdown of the reflex.

S.

11/25/2010 - Afternoon session:

This was a powerful session that is very hard to describe except for the ida and pingala event which occurred in the joob d disc sequence.


Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2
joob d

Things were going quite well the last few sessions have been preoccupied with exiting… it like have to pee and standing over the urinal and nothing comes out for an hour… but a remarkable thing happened… just to the left of my spinal column a stream of energy materialize for a long moment above the left illiac crest about a ½” thick and streamed the length of the spinal column to about thoracic 4 or 5... This could be a precursor to a Kundalini event… the literature says the ida and pingala energy streams precede the full scale Kundalini event…

My event was an ida event:

http://www.indianetzone.com/photos_gallery/13/kundaliniyoga1_2997.jpg

Note that the full pathway the ida nadI is from the swadhisthana to the third eye… mine reached just below the heart chakra…

This session had a heart chakra flutter… but I don’t remember when it happened relative to the Ida event.

S.

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

11/27/2010 - Afternoon session: The sessions are now consistently powerful, not all equally powerful.. Tho, they are difficult to describe simply because they are energy related I am attempting to fill my sub-navel storage area with energy from below and my sub- brow storage area with energy from above… (I don’t seem to have a problem with mental instability as Robert Bruce says could happen if you attempt to fill  the sub-brow directly instead of allowing the energy to filter upward… so don’t try this if you have any history of mental problems…) in one of the sessions I got a clear calling out of my name… that is one of those signs you are in the upper focus levels… in this session someone put a purse like object in my hand and squeeze my right forearm twice… it was a seasonal gift I heard… Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d Relaxation phase: In the relaxation phase I saw what look like the Magdalene Tower at Ren le chateau against the back drop of a powder blue sky. http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/24708/wm/pd1793976.jpg Silly Little Finger exercise: Perceiver/Interpreter: Imagination exercise 2 joob d http://www.indianetzone.com/photos_gallery/13/kundaliniyoga1_2997.jpg Alls well in my world. S.

Ok, here goes a short one, because I had something which could relate to kundalini, even if it was quite mild.

Yesterday I felt a tingling "ball" at base of spine. I tried to relax. After some time the tingling feeling was more at the middle of the spin. If it was the same tingling? I don't know.

JOOB C (yes the Condition "see" CD)

It was my first try with it. I seemed to go into F 10 several times, then slipping out of F 10, without ability to control it. Twice it got this strange feeling that I had stopped breathing. It kind of snapped me back to full awakeness.

I wouldn't say anything special happened.

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 6:57pm:

JOOB C (yes the Condition "see" CD) ... Twice it got this strange feeling that I had stopped breathing. It kind of snapped me back to full awakeness....

Hi Paulie: Are you breathing diaphramatically?

S.

Yes, I breath with my stomach. When I place my hands over my chest, I can feel no or extremely little movement.

I have read several times that you don't seem to breathe with your non-physical body while OBEd.

Now, I am speculating. Could the no-breathing be an illusion? Or that I actually felt some kind of exit sensation instead? I personally don't think so, hopefully time will tell.

It could also be simple; I fell asleep, held my breath (some people do that in sleep), and then woke up seconds later.

I snored a few times, too, but not disturbingly much. A week ago I snored at almost every attempt, waking me up by the sound each time.

Besides, I noticed that the first JOOB CD, with Monroe speaking, was digitally re-mastered, which made me wonder how old the JOOB H-S sound is, as the H-S evolved a lot during the 1980s (each CD/sound pattern had 7 H-S frequencies with 5 H-S patterns on each frequency, at the end of 1980s, if I remember correctly from one of Monroe's youtube clips).

Do you know how old the JOOB CD set is compared to the Gateway Wave CD series?

11/27/2010 - evening session:

Can someone explain this:

The session opened almost immediately with what seemed to be my etheric double (or was is a phantom??, or was I in the dream mind??) I distinctly felt two or three small petals of the Crown chakra flop around… my legs were buzzing away… I repeated my mantra

Now I am out of body

I made a strong thought… ‘TMI - Crystal now!!’… I seemed to be there… I was hugging the crystal but I know I was NOT out of my body… I did not separate… I tried to move the etheric double but I felt the physical body moving not the the etheric double yet the phantom was there but it looked and felt different than I have seen it before it was quite stocky, I am lean and a bit wiry… yet I could swear it was the etheric double… it was also wearing a suit… but I could see through the form and it was ghostly… obviously, my p.o.c… was still in my brain and would not shifted into the etheric double…

This was a powerful separation state… that wouldn’t happen… and I have no answer for it…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2
joob d

S.

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

Yes, I breath with my stomach. When I place my hands over my chest, I can feel no or extremely little movement.

That is not diaphragmatic breathing…place your thumbs on the illiac crest and breath if the thumbs move outward that is diaphragmatic breathing… you use the diaphragm not the stomach..


PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

I have read several times that you don't seem to breathe with your non-physical body while OBEd.

I don’t believe the etheric double breathes… but I have experienced the slowing of breath to almost nothing but because I am controlling the breathing with my diaphragm I can bring it to a point where no breathing is felt… not sure what is happening… whether a stream of air is moving with out the effort I don’t know… but I will suddenly need a breath and I am practicing slowing drawing the breath down without too much disturbance of the body… but, in one of my sessions I experienced a column of air like a tube flowing on its own… but, that only happened once…


PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

Now, I am speculating. Could the no-breathing be an illusion? Or that I actually felt some kind of exit sensation instead? I personally don't think so, hopefully time will tell. It could also be simple; I fell asleep, held my breath (some people do that in sleep), and then woke up seconds later. I snored a few times, too, but not disturbingly much. A week ago I snored at almost every attempt, waking me up by the sound each time.

Unless you suffer from sleep apnea that is not what is happening… it is a phenomena of deep meditative state… which I do not understand at all but I don’t worry about it… all this stuff is automatic… just let it all happen… the worst that can happen is you end up permanently in f27... LOL!!



PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

Besides, I noticed that the first JOOB CD, with Monroe speaking, was digitally re-mastered, which made me wonder how old the JOOB H-S sound is, as the H-S evolved a lot during the 1980s (each CD/sound pattern had 7 H-S frequencies with 5 H-S patterns on each frequency, at the end of 1980s, if I remember correctly from one of Monroe's youtube clips). Do you know how old the JOOB CD set is compared to the Gateway Wave CD series?

Did you read the instruction??? Each disk is set up specifically with prompts and the hemi-sync signal is space at 20 minute intervals for the prompt except the last disk.

S.

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2010 at 12:37am:

11/27/2010 - evening session: I tried to move the etheric double but I felt the physical body moving not the the etheric double yet the phantom was there but it looked and felt different than I have seen it before it was quite stocky, I am lean and a bit wiry… yet I could swear it was the etheric double… it was also wearing a suit… but I could see through the form and it was ghostly… obviously, my p.o.c… was still in my brain and would not shifted into the etheric double… This was a powerful separation state… that wouldn’t happen… and I have no answer for it… S.

I now believe this was not my double. But the problem now becomes what was it? Phantom or I dropped into the dream mind and I was in a Lucid dream.

S.

Speaking of breathing. I'm not an 'expert' on any of the 'professional schools' of meditation in its various forms, although I have been doing meditation, in many forms, for ... well, most of my life, if I can be honest here. I guess, what I think is that the 'discipline' is not so important, just that you 'get there', where you need to be, to learn and experience, to continue to grow.

When I was young I was an excellent swimmer. I taught very young children, toddlers, really, how to jump from the diving board and paddle across the pool into my arms. This, so they wouldn't automatically drown if they fell in. To earn the merit required to be allowed to teach, I had to 'save' a big, burly guy, in several ways, for my test, and I am not a big person, nor am I a large, muscular man. This required discipline, and much time to learn, and much patience with myself, and the support from others to learn the skills necessary.

However, meditation...seems a natural thing. Really, it is. I remember that before I learned all these lessons so that I could teach swimming to young children, I liked to play in a certain way, in the public pool near my home, or in any pool. It was a habit of mine, and I loved doing it. It was simply, to sink to the bottom of the deep end of the pool, letting the air out smoothly until it was all gone. I would then push off from the bottom and return to the surface where I would take a breath, then sink again as the breath was released. While doing this, I would become happy and peaceful, and no one else seemed to be doing it. They were all playing games, having fun, which I liked to do also. There was a rhythm to it, you know, gently shooting up to the surface, sinking down to the bottom. If I was in just the right spot in the pool, it was just perfect.

When you do it, and you know it, that's all there is to it.


Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2010 at 1:04am:

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 9:56pm: Yes, I breath with my stomach. When I place my hands over my chest, I can feel no or extremely little movement. That is not diaphragmatic breathing…place your thumbs on the illiac crest and breath if the thumbs move outward that is diaphragmatic breathing… you use the diaphragm not the stomach.. PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 9:56pm: I have read several times that you don't seem to breathe with your non-physical body while OBEd. I don’t believe the etheric double breathes… but I have experienced the slowing of breath to almost nothing but because I am controlling the breathing with my diaphragm I can bring it to a point where no breathing is felt… not sure what is happening… whether a stream of air is moving with out the effort I don’t know… but I will suddenly need a breath and I am practicing slowing drawing the breath down without too much disturbance of the body… but, in one of my sessions I experienced a column of air like a tube flowing on its own… but, that only happened once… PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 9:56pm: Now, I am speculating. Could the no-breathing be an illusion? Or that I actually felt some kind of exit sensation instead? I personally don't think so, hopefully time will tell. It could also be simple; I fell asleep, held my breath (some people do that in sleep), and then woke up seconds later. I snored a few times, too, but not disturbingly much. A week ago I snored at almost every attempt, waking me up by the sound each time. Unless you suffer from sleep apnea that is not what is happening… it is a phenomena of deep meditative state… which I do not understand at all but I don’t worry about it… all this stuff is automatic… just let it all happen… the worst that can happen is you end up permanently in f27... LOL!! PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 9:56pm: Besides, I noticed that the first JOOB CD, with Monroe speaking, was digitally re-mastered, which made me wonder how old the JOOB H-S sound is, as the H-S evolved a lot during the 1980s (each CD/sound pattern had 7 H-S frequencies with 5 H-S patterns on each frequency, at the end of 1980s, if I remember correctly from one of Monroe's youtube clips). Do you know how old the JOOB CD set is compared to the Gateway Wave CD series? Did you read the instruction??? Each disk is set up specifically with prompts and the hemi-sync signal is space at 20 minute intervals for the prompt except the last disk. S.

Well, there is probably not much I can do about breathing patterns.

Anyway, if the CDs only have H-S each 20 minutes, how long does each H-S last? I thought there were long periods (several minutes) of various H-S sound patterns all the way as I've been in a state that I define as F 10, for longer times than when I do without H-S.

And the Condition C CD didn't feel that much different to the Condition D CD, but that could be me that needs to practice more. :)

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 28^th, 2010 at 4:43pm:

Well, there is probably not much I can do about breathing patterns. Anyway, if the CDs only have H-S each 20 minutes, how long does each H-S last? I thought there were long periods (several minutes) of various H-S sound patterns all the way as I've been in a state that I define as F 10, for longer times than when I do without H-S. And the Condition C CD didn't feel that much different to the Condition D CD, but that could be me that needs to practice more. :)

Hi Pauli: I don't quite know what you are getting at... the instruction blurbs explain what you are supposed to attempting to do... and how each disk is constructed... that is all I can tell you about it.

S.

wrote on Nov 28^th, 2010 at 12:58pm:

Speaking of breathing. I'm not an 'expert' on any of the 'professional schools' of meditation in its various forms, although I have been doing meditation, in many forms, for ... well, most of my life, if I can be honest here. I guess, what I think is that the 'discipline' is not so important, just that you 'get there', where you need to be, to learn and experience, to continue to grow.

Hi b2: I guess the salient question is getting where?  Lana Turner was sitting at a drug store counter and a movie agent saw her and the rest was Hollywood history. In a large sampling there will be beings who are naturals and achieve things with little aid. TMI training consist of sitting in pre-session briefing about the hemi-sync exercise… doing it then debriefing the session… almost nothing is handed out in the way of text about what you are up to or how to do it better or at all… the only comprehensive writing on f 10 was on the Monroe site that I found by accident… so can you do basic stuff without a lot of technical understanding or peripheral skills. Yes.

In Alvin Schwartz’s An Unlikely Prophet he is guided through a series of events which could only be accomplished by the assistance of his Tulpa and the breathing exercises and techniques he was able to use in their adventure… The Tibetan’s have developed specific breathing techniques which guide one thru specific altered states… they are complex and I do not know them… but can you do those particular things with out using those techniques… no! Is it important in the big picture to do them… no!!

In the end it just depends on what you are trying to do.

S.

11/29/2010 - afternoon session:

This session is remarkable for all the close exit potentials but no banana… I would like some feedback from people who have accomplished the obe… and are proficient at it now… was it this difficult to accomplish… was it this frustrating to learn this skill…????!!!!

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:

Fundamental energy body shifting…

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Now aware of (bilocated form??)  attempting to shift my p.o.c… not much success tho I feel some movement… I attempt the Robert Bruce bouncing technique… that is bouncing my poc like a tennis ball floor to ceiling… not feeling much motion… but it is there… bouncing it wall to wall…

Imagination exercise 2
joob d

See a form upper right side looks like Robert Goulet… long stringy reddish brown hair with a full goatee… thought, ’three musketeer’… guess that triggered a form change because I immediately see Dartangen…
http://www.storiedthreads.com/Mens%20Clothes/Musketeer%20Tabard%20Resize.jpg

Then I begin to rope climb… I don’t think to just imagine the pull, but, attempt to feel the pull… possibly trying too hard… go at it for a long time then give up and come out of session…


This is really frustration… to say the least…

S.

11/30/2010 - afternoon session:

A Whole, whole new developement

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2
joob d

The session was pretty uneventful until near the end… when my body seemed to slow balloon outward… I knew this was not possible but it felt like it… I suppose it was the fundmental body achieving some new potential… then, I thought oh, this could be the beginning of a powerful 10,000 needles event (I used to have these when I was a kid and I would buzz out into space at light speed)… or what Monrovians know as the vibrations… but this felt like it was going to powerful and full bodied… it must be full bodied to get the exit… then I saw the rectangular planes flosting around… they were filled with honeycombs and had pastel yellow, green colors filling the honeycombs… I thought I wonder if this is what Robert Bruce describes as the planes… where he exits and is high above flat planes and as he dive into them each is a world of its own…

When the expansion stops and I get the feeling I will not get the 10,000 needles I end the session… I guess all these events are leading to something… it is good that almost every session is marked by some unusual incident tho, I, am puzzled about why I just can’t get the controlled exit. I seem to enjoy all kinds of phenomena except the one I really, really want… go figure.

S.

Today's attempt. I used no CD, no sounds.

Put in ear plugs.

Gathered energy from below/above, placed intent, thought of Love briefly.

Then I waited.

Did some visualizations, imaginations. Saw grass on a field, saw some more grass close up on a stone wall outdoor. Climbed a bench close to the wall. Saw more hills with grass and a white church away. Moved to the church and came close to a hedge in kind of a Hogwarth style. Went into the canopy of the hedge. Then I thought, wait, I'm not doing a retrieval, I want to try OBE.

(my previous retrieval attempts had led to some kind of training ground and I doubted that I would benefit from it at this stage, yet.)

This interesting. I didn't really get to my usual F 10 visual stripped darkness. It was probably F 10 but it seemed different, more like when I used the JOOB D last time.

Then after a while I felt something that came close to the 3-D darkness, but this too was different. I tried to fly, got a "rush" feeling. This lasted for several minutes.

I noticed again that suddenly I couldn't hear my breathing. This time I tried to figure out why. Perhaps I slowed down breathing as I had been flat out for some time. Perhaps the closeness to the astral impaired my hearing temporarily. I need to check this out in greater detail in the future.

No exit, no OBE, but interesting feelings nevertheless.

12/1/2010 - afternoon session:

No two session alike.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

One heart chaka turnover in this phase.

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:

One heart chakra turn over in this phase a bit stronger.


Imagination exercise 2
joob d

Now I am out of body

In this phase I had a intercranial separation… I felt my physical body separate from my poc… or my poc was aware that it was separate from my physical body… but, I was not able to project as a poc out of my body… tho, I must admit I didn’t think to consciously try… but I seemed to want to float… around…

I was also in a timeless state…

When the session ended as I was walking to lunch I realized I felt rejuvenated… younger… almost a new person… I still at this writing feel great.

What is the antonym for transsubstantiation… I think I went from corporeal to etheric..

S.

Seraphis1, have you been able to do a retrieval while listening to JOOB D? I think I have (see the retrievals forum), but what puzzles me is that I assumed that the JOOB D kept me in F 10, and a retrieval needs entry to F 23, so I can't make things add up, and that's why I ask.

PauliEffectt wrote on Dec 4^th, 2010 at 10:32am:

Seraphis1, have you been able to do a retrieval while listening to JOOB D? I think I have (see the retrievals forum), but what puzzles me is that I assumed that the JOOB D kept me in F 10, and a retrieval needs entry to F 23, so I can't make things add up, and that's why I ask.

Hi Pauli: I am not focusing on retrivals at the moment... I am working on controlled exiting that is really what joob is designed to aid... I have done accidental retrievals... but, I don't know where I was executing them from... I am not sure shy you are getting locked into f10... theoretically you should be able to ascend by using the count up system... I take it you have not done an official TMI seminar. In the
Guidelines they teach using focus level id's which allow you to shift to them just bringing up the id... I was not able to make that work for me and I am not able to make Moen's... somatic memory idea work for me... but like I say I am not concentrating on that at the moment.

S.

12/5/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Heart chakra buzz (stronger),  letting go, fb shift,

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Slamming sound… jolt right side arm… right buttock pulldown, jolt right shoulder… vibrations coming sinus area

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Pain ring finger right, right arm numb, pressure in ears, f10... Vibration big toe on a line  to groin…

Imagination exercise 2

Pressure eyeballs… pressure left and right ear… fb shift… very nice fb double shift… left foot jolt… brow point tension…solar plexus tension…vibration intensifying… long faced individual (horse faced)… ...(this is a out of ordinary f21-f27 event)


joob d

Now I am out of body

Began to get feeling I could exit… used the pretend method… imagined rolling out of body… feet on floor walked to door… came back to body reentered… did it again.. Several  times… it got harder and harder to do with full concentration… ended exercise… want to keep these effort short…


S.