Have you ever tried to meet someone in an OBE.

Hi CharleyTuna,

Yes, I have tried previous to about the last six months. I'm abit low on energy these days.  But why do you ask me?  :)
It seems easier though to meet someone with whom you've already traded messages, as if each communication creates a bridge between those talking, -- friendly messages.

Betson

Hi Charley Tuna. That is a skill I have tried to develop with limited success. Another forum member who is on another continent and myself tried to meet via OBE but our experiences did not match. There were maybe tiny similarities all right, but not enough to give us the feeling that we had really succeeded. After a few tries we dropped the efforts, but I find that in this kind of skill development, if you try for a bit, and then leave it, maybe a couple years later you go back and try again after growing in knowledge a bit more, you are surprised by how much better it is. It takes time and practice and of course in the meantime we do get better at other things so we don't get too discouraged. All the best teachers, of course, tell us that OBE's are not important...try and convince some of us! Vee

Adds a whole new meaning to the concept of  "speed dating".

Hi Bardo,

That's funny and it's probably true, two of my favorite characteristics of living.  :D
However, dating implies an exclusivity that I don't believe should hamper true PUL. It does hamper most interactions with people still operating from the Earth plane though, just because they are so mired in Earth's conditions. PUL becomes then a goal and not a fully realized aspect of Eart Life, unfortunately.  :'(

Bets

Bets,
No disrespect of the greater things intended! Just my irreverent sense of humor, which often gets me in trouble.  When I get up every day, I say to myself, "Today, I sense the PUL and keep it close to me, live mindfully and share it with my family and those I meet". Some days I am able to maintain a semblence of this grace, most days not. Some days REALLY not. I feel like we live under a overcast sky, and occasionally I glimpse a shaft of beautiful sunlight through a gap in the clouds, or even a patch of brilliant blue sky. I grasp at those flashes and try to capture them, with only a little success. Maybe I get better at it as time passes.

CT

Your question reminded me of a result I read about from a couple of decades ago. It involved a couple fo grad students ..perhaps in psychology...who were able to do something like dream about each other. (Sorry I've lost the reference but Iam hoping someone else is familiar with this). Their dreams correlated. Whatever it was that they were doing, it got too "freaky" for at least one of them and the little experiement was terminated. I think it became difficult to distinguish what happened in waking reality from what happened in sleep.

So this is in the category of be careful what you ask for, you might get it. What would you do if you could reguarly meet someone "out there," like make an appointment and meet? It sounds impressive, but in real life we don't get to control the details the way it hapens in tv shows or books, or to control the consequences. What would you do if you started to confuse in-body encounters and OBE encounters? Maybe not when they are happening but once they enter the memory log.

Hi,

I don't know how that experiment was set up, Lucy, but it sounds interesting. Sorry to hear though that they scared themselves.

Memories from non-physical explorations as suggested by afterlife explorers don't get mixed in with dreams and reality, as far as I know.  Non-phyical explorations have a whole different energy field which gives them increased clarity and sense of purpose, as opposed to dream work.

To not freak out, a person needs some background into what they're doing. Maybe that couple didn't have any background. Moen provides such a background written in kind terms. Other writer/explorers can be more scientific, and others are more spiritual, even tying their potential to specific religious tenets. Some sort of context is important so the new explorer of these realms dosn't suddenly panic from their unique and 'alone' experience.They are not alone; that is the point.  ;)

Bardo, You are surely doing fine!  May I borrow your phrasing ? I'd like to make PUL a daily meditation/afirmation as you do!

Bets

Bardo wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 10:01am:

Bets, No disrespect of the greater things intended! Just my irreverent sense of humor, which often gets me in trouble.  When I get up every day, I say to myself, "Today, I sense the PUL and keep it close to me, live mindfully and share it with my family and those I meet". Some days I am able to maintain a semblence of this grace, most days not. Some days REALLY not. I feel like we live under a overcast sky, and occasionally I glimpse a shaft of beautiful sunlight through a gap in the clouds, or even a patch of brilliant blue sky. I grasp at those flashes and try to capture them, with only a little success. Maybe I get better at it as time passes.

Hi Bardo: PUL is a heart chakra function... have you done TMI's Heartline.

S.

Seraphis,
No I have not experienced that course.  I have read Bruce's books and am using his book/CD set as a guide for my explorations. I would certainly be open to more help, though.

Bardo wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2010 at 11:16am:

Seraphis, No I have not experienced that course.  I have read Bruce's books and am using his book/CD set as a guide for my explorations. I would certainly be open to more help, though.

You might want to read Joseph Chilton Pearce's 'Biology of Transcendence'... it is a very interesting discussion of the power of the heart.

S.

Lucy, your description of the two people sharing a different reality sounds like Charles Tart's experiment in which two graduate student subjects engaged in mutual hypnosis.  It's reported in his paper "Psychedelic Experiences Associated with a Novel Hypnotic Procedure, Mutual Hypnosis," published in Charles T. Tart, ed., Altered States of Consciousness (John Wiley and Sons, 1969).  It's also discussed in Michael Talbot's The Holographic Universe.

An interesting quote from Dr. Tart's paper (p. 306):


Quote:

Several times during the sessions the Ss [subjects] said nothing for a time, but when I questioned them replied that they were communicating, so there was a feeling at the time of the experience that paranormal communication of some sort was going on.  Even more striking material regarding the Ss' feelings about this heightened empathy and communication was obtained a couple of months after the final session when the tapes of the sessions had been transcribed.  Anne and Bill read the transcripts over and were both shocked.  They had been talking about their experiences to each other for some time, and found they had been discussing details of the experiences  they had shared for which there were no verbal stimuli on the tapes, i.e., they felt they must have been communicating telepathically or that they had actually been "in" the nonworldly locales they had experienced.  This was frightening to both Ss, for what had seemed a lovely shared fantasy now threatened to be something real.  This feeling of the Ss does not constitute any sort of proof for genuine telepathic interaction, of course, for there were  no independent records of the details of the Ss' experiences made before they had an opportunity to talk with each other, but the feeling of the Ss that there was telepathic interaction and their reaction to it was one of the most impressive aspects of the experience.

Definitely curious! :)

James Ward

Yes that really is interesting. Interesting also because they then had to cope with a perhaps small belief system breakdown. It's always one thing to talk about it and another to experience it.

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2010 at 10:53am:

Bardo wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 10:01am: Bets, No disrespect of the greater things intended! Just my irreverent sense of humor, which often gets me in trouble.  When I get up every day, I say to myself, "Today, I sense the PUL and keep it close to me, live mindfully and share it with my family and those I meet". Some days I am able to maintain a semblence of this grace, most days not. Some days REALLY not. I feel like we live under a overcast sky, and occasionally I glimpse a shaft of beautiful sunlight through a gap in the clouds, or even a patch of brilliant blue sky. I grasp at those flashes and try to capture them, with only a little success. Maybe I get better at it as time passes. Hi Bardo: PUL is a heart chakra function... have you done TMI's Heartline. S.

 
  The Heart Chakra is where we feel and express PUL from to individuals.  But usually it is less true PUL and more "like attracts, begets, and likes" kind of, more Venusian type love. 

    As we do this more and more and universalize it more and more, then does the 7th or "Crown Chakra" and Pituitary Gland in the body start to become more and more active, and all the rest of the Chakras and glands become more merged into and balanced with one another.

  It is the Crown, not the Heart, which is the true PUL focus point.  But the Heart and Crown are very connected to each other, and can and will eventually work in tandem. 

  It just gets "stepped down" in the Heart, like the Heart is a similar, but lower octave expression of the Crown. 

Crown is full Christ like Love attunement.  Purely Universal, purely unconditional, purely pure kind of love.

wrote on Nov 4^th, 2010 at 12:30pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2010 at 10:53am: Bardo wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 10:01am: Bets, No disrespect of the greater things intended! Just my irreverent sense of humor, which often gets me in trouble.  When I get up every day, I say to myself, "Today, I sense the PUL and keep it close to me, live mindfully and share it with my family and those I meet". Some days I am able to maintain a semblence of this grace, most days not. Some days REALLY not. I feel like we live under a overcast sky, and occasionally I glimpse a shaft of beautiful sunlight through a gap in the clouds, or even a patch of brilliant blue sky. I grasp at those flashes and try to capture them, with only a little success. Maybe I get better at it as time passes. Hi Bardo: PUL is a heart chakra function... have you done TMI's Heartline. S.     The Heart Chakra is where we feel and express PUL from to individuals.  But usually it is less true PUL and more "like attracts, begets, and likes" kind of, more Venusian type love.      As we do this more and more and universalize it more and more, then does the 7th or "Crown Chakra" and Pituitary Gland in the body start to become more and more active, and all the rest of the Chakras and glands become more merged into and balanced with one another.   It is the Crown, not the Heart, which is the true PUL focus point.  But the Heart and Crown are very connected to each other, and can and will eventually work in tandem.    It just gets "stepped down" in the Heart, like the Heart is a similar, but lower octave expression of the Crown.  Crown is full Christ like Love attunement.  Purely Universal, purely unconditional, purely pure kind of love.

Hi Justin: Is this a theory or how you experience it?

S.

Listening and trying to hear all that you folks are saying, I really understand better why religions have a liturgy, and repetitive prayer/meditation. There is so much process in accessing and opening up to one's higher self. Trying to find the path without a guide is hard.  Unless of course, one is blessed with an experience which forces the door open for you, such as an OBE or contact with a spirit.

Bardo

How about an Eckhart Tolle? That sounds like an interesting experience.

Actually the liturgy etc in religion doesn't really seem to work. It seems to me it is designed more to keep one entrained in cultural conditioning rather than to open one up.

Lucy wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 1:47am:

Bardo How about an Eckhart Tolle? That sounds like an interesting experience. Actually the liturgy etc in religion doesn't really seem to work. It seems to me it is designed more to keep one entrained in cultural conditioning rather than to open one up.

Hi Lucy: By cultural conditioning do you mean enchrenching a belief system? If it means enchrenching a belief system it will definitely take one to a Hollow Heaven.

S.

Lucy,
What I really meant was that the repitition of prayer, mantra, chant etc., seems to be in part a way to prepare your consciousness (like establishing the flow of energy), which attunes you to your higher self. Dogma aside, I guess I see what they were getting at.

Bardo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 8:49am:

Lucy, What I really meant was that the repitition of prayer, mantra, chant etc., seems to be in part a way to prepare your consciousness (like establishing the flow of energy), which attunes you to your higher self. Dogma aside, I guess I see what they were getting at.

Hi Bardo: My understanding of chants and repetition is that it gets the subconscious to act according to the vibrational frequency of the chant, mantra etc... be careful about what the chant or mantra is.

S.

When I used the word "entrainment" I was thinking of the process by which pendulum clocks, when placed together, tend to move to the same swinging rhythm.

And aren't we humans like pendulum clocks.

I think you caught my meaning though.

In the context of religion, sometimes I wonder if achieving enlightenment as defined by whatever system it is, is really not that difficult, and that some of the techniques are desgned to make it harder than it is to keep people from achieving it...because if people really achieved it the system wouldn't have control of them any more.

blah blah betson i wake up in my dreams and I demand to see my guide. But there is always a sexual overtone. How do I turn this off ? Its really annoying me. I can beat everything but urge to procreate

Charley, keep trying to beat that urge!  Not everyone should procreate.   ;)

Hi Charley,

As you've just found out, we don't escape everything when we go into the non-physical. So you may have alot of memories and wishes that are stored up and they go with you.
Maybe you didn't tell your guide directly that you don't want this bother.  Tell him that you don't want these thoughts and urges anymore. He may help.
Also you could try not to give such thoughts more power. Try avoiding sexy movies, photos etc. Try to think less about sex. Try eating less meat and more fruit. I don't mean to sound preachy but those are ways to get that energy  spred around better.
You won't be giving up sex entirely.
It's worth it to have the non-physical freedom to move in non-physical realms !  Good luck, Charlie!

betson   :)

I guess I don't understand why a sexual overtone has to muck up spiritual enlightenment. I hear it all the time, but I just don't see the problem. I feel its a carry over from earthly feelings that sex is naughty or something. I even find myself feeling that way sometimes but for the life of me I just can't see why any sexual themes should make spiritual endeavors more difficult. This, to me, is only the case if you hold some kind of belief that sexual thoughts are a deterrent to growth. I guess I'm saying that it doesn't hold me back.

Yours,
Beau

Its an interesting conundrum- but don't Taoists and Tantric adepts use sexual energy as a force toward achieving enlightenment/ union ?

I have heard it said that testosterone is an inhibiting factor on growth ( females do seem to demonstrate less ego if conversation boards are anything to go by  ;) ) but would that mean that neutering would lead to a kind of instant path to enlightenment !? As a red blooded male I hope not...

Well, it can definitely lead to union, but I guess enlightenment is the BIG question..

Hi Beau and heisenberg69,

I'm assuming you are talking about something different than CT meant when he said it was an annoyance.
Energy that accumulates in the first and second chakras is a sexual urge more like what's called lust or an irritation.
When that energy rises through the whole system, as you say, through kundalini and Tantric methods, then it becomes sacred for the transformation it can provide.
It would be impossible to teach Tantra or kundalini principles in these posts.
But I could have suggested CT look them up on the web instead of assuming it was just a first chakra problem. 
Charley, my apologies. Beau and heisenberg69 are right. You could learn to use the power of that energy.

Bets

11/13/2010

Hi Bets: Did you try to make contact with me Sat, 10am pst:

While in session a female head popped into my view frame top right hand corner… it was a bluish gray form.. I ask it was Betson. It said ‘yes’ but I don’t necessarily know that for sure..

The head favored Christine O’Donnell

[img] http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim//2010/09/09/christine2_370x278_370x278.jpg [img]

But with curly brunette hair (I assumed it was brunette tho the whole image was bluish gray.


S.

Hi Seraphis,

Sorry, it wasn't consciously me. I was having a late lunch with my husband then.

Bets

Hello CT and all,

this post is rather late, but we're supposed to PM private messages and just post topics of broad interest. I was too flattered that anyone thought I could teach them anything, but I really can't.

Good that the topic got input from others to make the discussion more accurate!

Over and out, Bets

CT

regarding urge to procreate

age-old dilemma; which Catholic saint was it who reportedly threw himself on a thorny plant to curb the urge?

RAM wrote that we were going to seed other energy systems but perhaps we could endow them with lower urge to procreate. This was long after he reported the sex piles on the other side. According to his biography, he was no stranger to these urges.

Maybe it would be more productive to have really open discussions about the power of the reproductive urge. It has lots of social consequences. Has any culture learned to live with that to everyone's approval? I think not.

Anyway, what RAM wrote that he did OBE was to defer responding to the urge to "later". So maybe if you could learn that technique it would be more useful.

Lucy wrote on Nov 15^th, 2010 at 1:45am:

CT regarding urge to procreate age-old dilemma; which Catholic saint was it who reportedly threw himself on a thorny plant to curb the urge? RAM wrote that we were going to seed other energy systems but perhaps we could endow them with lower urge to procreate. This was long after he reported the sex piles on the other side. According to his biography, he was no stranger to these urges. Maybe it would be more productive to have really open discussions about the power of the reproductive urge. It has lots of social consequences. Has any culture learned to live with that to everyone's approval? I think not. Anyway, what RAM wrote that he did OBE was to defer responding to the urge to "later". So maybe if you could learn that technique it would be more useful.

The simple solution if you are unable to use the tantric system of orgasm without ejaculation... which takes a good deal of practice is to diaphramatically breath the sexual energy upward into the brain... some times you can generate an intercrainal orgasm... very spiritual.. experience.

S.

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2010 at 12:48pm:

Hi Justin: Is this a theory or how you experience it? S.

  A bit of both, but the theory part is informed by intuition to an extent.

Lucy wrote on Nov 6^th, 2010 at 1:14am:

In the context of religion, sometimes I wonder if achieving enlightenment as defined by whatever system it is, is really not that difficult, and that some of the techniques are desgned to make it harder than it is to keep people from achieving it...because if people really achieved it the system wouldn't have control of them any more.

  I work with children.  Awhile back, i had an interesting dream about a child i knew of, but didn't directly work with at the time (so i barely knew this person). 

  In the dream, i was viewing this child and a "voice" or knowing from guidance was telling me that this boy had the definite or probable potential to become fully "enlightened" in this life. 

But, the voice/knowing went on to say something like, "don't act like or think of it as a big deal."  Kind of like, don't be in too much awe of this info or the boy.   

  Adding to the interest, i had this dream a few weeks before i unexpectedly moved to a different department and started to work with this particular kid.  It all developed out of the blue, and was very unexpected at the time. 

   The kid himself, well is there anything that sets him apart from most children or people i've interacted with?   No and yes.   

  He has a very gentle and very, unusually innocent manner to him, and he is quite a gifted musician.  He is an interesting and somewhat odd personality.  Before the dream, would i have thought along those lines in relation to him, well i'm not sure--probably not.   He probably has a lot of life experience to go through before something like this fully matures in him, but now that i'm aware of it via the dream i can see the possibility.

  (p.s., i view "enlightenment" in terms of becoming like Yeshua, someone purely and always attuned to PUL, which will eventually quite literally enLighten their body physical, speed up the vibratory patterns of it so much as to release the inherent free/infinite Light in same, such a person then has the unique experience of having free, full access to all nonphysical dimensions/perceptions, but also has physical like attributes in which they can interact physically with in physical humans in a physical like way but they themselves don't have physical limitations anymore; they don't need to eat, don't need to sleep, don't age, don't tire, etc. etc.. wink, wink, kind of like "HeShe" in Monroes 3rd book)