This is both a reflection and a question.

Why are we having so many incarnations from our I-There/Disk?

Reason for the question is that there must be a whole lot of redundance. I would expect some discarnates to have become completely obsolete by time? If everything was about gathering Knowns, we should not need this many incarnations, thousands of them it seem.

And worst of all. I think each new incarnation is only adding very little Known to the I-There as so many things are repeated. And yet, it seems humanity hasn't learnt much since the dawn of time...

Hi,

"And worst of all. I think each new incarnation is only adding very little Known to the I-There as so many things are repeated. And yet, it seems humanity hasn't learnt much since the dawn of time..."

Takes more than a couple of eggs to get this cake right. Making one's life review right now by jotting down the story so far have the potential to reveal that there's actually quite a lot learnt by just one incarnation. Interesting to note the repeating/looping issues dealt with, and the ones remaining. That's one opportunity to 'stop walking around the porridge', to use a norweigan expression.

"Humanity" consists of incarnations that are all over the place in terms of advancement, all over the place in the timeline, from a lot of total selves. Turns out each of the the many simultaneous incarnations from one total self continue to branch out into parallel dimensions to really milk every precious drop of experience. Was it really a known if it takes so many dips into the water? Anyways, if taking a peek at some of the jerry springer guests, then one'll probably see some of the challenges one's lesser advanced incarnations have. Here you'll get to observe challenges of another level, and so on. All of one's incarnations add up though, and all levels are needed to finally get it right. In my opinion.

The looping is a mystery. Discarnates in F 23 are stuck in emotional (?) loops. Our Disks are stuck in Earth life loops, due to poor "escape velocity".

I'm re-reading Moen's third book, and at page 53, when the helper tells Moen about one of his missions in life, to do retrievals of Selves, I start to wonder... Moen is supposed to help with retrievals of those from other Disks, too.

We can certainly originate from more than one previous incarnation (Monroe as an example, was composed out of 5 previous lives, see Ultimate Journey), from our Disk, but...

Do you think that an incarnation, anyone living, can originate from more than one Disk at a time? Could it be possible for me to originate from two different Disks, for example one mostly-human I-There and one mostly-alien I-There?

PauliEffectt wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 6:27pm:

This is both a reflection and a question. Why are we having so many incarnations from our I-There/Disk? Reason for the question is that there must be a whole lot of redundance. I would expect some discarnates to have become completely obsolete by time? If everything was about gathering Knowns, we should not need this many incarnations, thousands of them it seem. And worst of all. I think each new incarnation is only adding very little Known to the I-There as so many things are repeated. And yet, it seems humanity hasn't learnt much since the dawn of time...

Hi Pauli: You've hit on a connundrum... why is the physical plane so hard... Lobsang Rampa claimed to be working on discovering the reason for it and others have asked the same question... mostly it is because the beings who come in 'don't' follow thru on their 'there' agreements... when they fail to do that it changes all the 'potentials' and everything goes bananas... and reconfigures in very complex ways thus we can no longer 'hear' what our 'it' purpose is and it creates a major mess...

Think of it as 'Mr. Smith goes to washington'... most go to washington to make a difference but then get corrupted by the process and fall in line and change nothing.
S.

Seraphis1 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:08am:

PauliEffectt wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 6:27pm: This is both a reflection and a question. Why are we having so many incarnations from our I-There/Disk? Reason for the question is that there must be a whole lot of redundance. I would expect some discarnates to have become completely obsolete by time? If everything was about gathering Knowns, we should not need this many incarnations, thousands of them it seem. And worst of all. I think each new incarnation is only adding very little Known to the I-There as so many things are repeated. And yet, it seems humanity hasn't learnt much since the dawn of time... Hi Pauli: You've hit on a connundrum... why is the physical plane so hard... Lobsang Rampa claimed to be working on discovering the reason for it and others have asked the same question... mostly it is because the beings who come in 'don't' follow thru on their 'there' agreements... when they fail to do that it changes all the 'potentials' and everything goes bananas... and reconfigures in very complex ways thus we can no longer 'hear' what our 'it' purpose is and it creates a major mess... Think of it as 'Mr. Smith goes to washington'... most go to washington to make a difference but then get corrupted by the process and fall in line and change nothing. S.

P.s.: If you are interested in a deeper understanding of the process of the 'It' check out the 'There Cluster' work of Cobalt Blue at

http://www.stephanieriseley.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=11

S.

Seraphis:
Thanks for link; "Excavating to the core" sound like a book that i would read, have you?
And if you did what do you think of it? Anything new development/stuff in it? Or basically the same as other books.
PUL

IMO, many of us are wrapping things up in this experience and getting ready for take-off.   Having the feelings of ‘been there, done that’ is getting so boring that I can not see going another round in this particular reality; there are so many others.

Other focus realities, other types of bodies.  I can’t imagine coming back to this earth reality over and over and over and being a human over and over and over even if the tag simultaneous incarnations is pinned to it.  Even the term 'living in the now' is something I'd prefer to do elsewhere.

Romain wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 1:51pm:

Seraphis: Thanks for link; "Excavating to the core" sound like a book that i would read, have you? And if you did what do you think of it? Anything new development/stuff in it? Or basically the same as other books. PUL

Hi Romain: Its a great practical book... I on my third reading of it... Moment by Moment is just as important... together they show you how to contact your 'it'.

I highly recommend it.

By the way I bought a five session 'past life hypnotheraphy' series from Stephanie... she is really good... I am going for my second session on thursday next... I will report the benefits of it to the board.. she is Dr. Brian Weiss trained...

S.

SHSS wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 2:03pm:

IMO, many of us are wrapping things up in this experience and getting ready for take-off.   Having the feelings of ‘been there, done that’ is getting so boring that I can not see going another round in this particular reality; there are so many others. Other focus realities, other types of bodies.  I can’t imagine coming back to this earth reality over and over and over and being a human over and over and over even if the tag simultaneous incarnations is pinned to it.  Even the term 'living in the now' is something I'd prefer to do elsewhere.

Hi s: I hope you succeed... are you in contact with your inner self?

S.

Thank you and yes.  Where else would I get this information?

I’ll try to put it another way.  I forget that some people might take what I’m saying literally.  I don’t mean that I’m going to get beamed up and fly off to another planet. although I suppose anything’s possible.

What I mean is that I want to join back within myself, (wake-up) raise to a higher or other vibration, and play a different game.

When I reread what I wrote, I thought it might sound confusing.  Sorry, I haven’t posted for a while.   :)

i Think we could live the same life we are living  now,over and over.and we will think its the first time we are here on earth.whats the difference.we will not know we lived before because we will have no memory of it anyway.G

Seraphis1 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:55pm:

Romain wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:51pm: Seraphis: Thanks for link; "Excavating to the core" sound like a book that i would read, have you? And if you did what do you think of it? Anything new development/stuff in it? Or basically the same as other books. PUL Hi Romain: Its a great practical book... I on my third reading of it... Moment by Moment is just as important... together they show you how to contact your 'it'. I highly recommend it. By the way I bought a five session 'past life hypnotheraphy' series from Stephanie... she is really good... I am going for my second session on thursday next... I will report the benefits of it to the board.. she is Dr. Brian Weiss trained... S.

Sound interesting those sessions, it says 6 to 7 sessions on her page, hope you can do it with less..:)
It's not written in stone.
Yes, please let us know how it went, Thanks.
Never been to a hypnotherapist' session, but the thought has cross my mind.Maybe on day if i could find a reliable/experience one around here.
PUL

I have to say, George, that this thought has crossed my mind lately. I sometimes feel that I have already done this whole thing. Like there is a part of me that already finished, and knows it. It's kind of a weird thought, but there you are.


george stone wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 7:15pm:

i Think we could live the same life we are living  now,over and over.and we will think its the first time we are here on earth.whats the difference.we will not know we lived before because we will have no memory of it anyway.G

Romain wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:21pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:55pm: Romain wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:51pm: Seraphis: Thanks for link; "Excavating to the core" sound like a book that i would read, have you? And if you did what do you think of it? Anything new development/stuff in it? Or basically the same as other books. PUL Hi Romain: Its a great practical book... I on my third reading of it... Moment by Moment is just as important... together they show you how to contact your 'it'. I highly recommend it. By the way I bought a five session 'past life hypnotheraphy' series from Stephanie... she is really good... I am going for my second session on thursday next... I will report the benefits of it to the board.. she is Dr. Brian Weiss trained... S. Sound interesting those sessions, it says 6 to 7 sessions on her page, hope you can do it with less..:) It's not written in stone. Yes, please let us know how it went, Thanks. Never been to a hypnotherapist' session, but the thought has cross my mind.Maybe on day if i could find a reliable/experience one around here. PUL

Hi Romain: I might warn you that you need to be careful in selecting a hypnotheraphist… I specifically sought out a Dr. Brian Weiss trained practitioner because of his book… Many lives, Many masters… then I think Stephanie who has cluster guides Cobalt Blue is a plus you probably won’t find this is the majority of the practitioners around the country… but, just to let you know I won’t be able to be specific about my sessions but I can tell you this in my very first session I discovered a problem that happened surrounding my birth that created a life long issue which I am now (using Excavating to the Core) to dissolve… part of its dissolution is just bringing it up to the surface, I never knew it was there… this is just the beginning…

S.

PUL[/quote]
Hi Romain: I might warn you that you need to be careful in selecting a hypnotheraphist… I specifically sought out a Dr. Brian Weiss trained practitioner because of his book… Many lives, Many masters… then I think Stephanie who has cluster guides Cobalt Blue is a plus you probably won’t find this is the majority of the practitioners around the country… but, just to let you know I won’t be able to be specific about my sessions but I can tell you this in my very first session I discovered a problem that happened surrounding my birth that created a life long issue which I am now (using Excavating to the Core) to dissolve… part of its dissolution is just bringing it up to the surface, I never knew it was there… this is just the beginning…

S.
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Hi Seraphis,
Careful in selecting a hypnotheraphist, totally agree here.
Regarding your session i understand some are very personal and need to know basis. But what you've said so far re: Birth, sound  like what it should be in those sessions.
Myself going to see an hypnotheraphist would be to break the veil of year 1 to 4 1/2 yrs old,(trauma happened in those specific years) which i have no recollections off. I know the cause but no recollections. Try many technique over the  years by myself (self retreival etc ) and help from TMI tape/cd but can't find/open those lost years.
One day the Pandora box will open when i don't know.
Thanks for sharing.
PUL.

I remember a hypnotist,who was charged with raping 7 woman.he was a doctor,who would put people to sleep to have a tooth removed.he lived in my town.G

SHSS wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 2:03pm:

IMO, many of us are wrapping things up in this experience and getting ready for take-off.   Having the feelings of ‘been there, done that’ is getting so boring that I can not see going another round in this particular reality; there are so many others. Other focus realities, other types of bodies.  I can’t imagine coming back to this earth reality over and over and over and being a human over and over and over even if the tag simultaneous incarnations is pinned to it.  Even the term 'living in the now' is something I'd prefer to do elsewhere.

  I suspect that probably one of the "symptoms" or characteristics of Consciousnesses developing to that position is acceptance of this reality; specifically in the sense of "use me Creative force as a channel of blessings for others, wherever and whenever", but also probably mixed in with a bit of divine discontent and boredom too when it comes to this reality.

  But remember, just because we are here, doesn't mean we can't experience other realities, etc.  There is no real limit.  One can be focused here, and focused anywhere else too.  Just ask "He/She".  It's a matter of speeding up one's vibratory patterns via attuning to PUL enough.

  Speaking as one who has seen their probable future.

The earth life system seems to be one of the few places that people of completely different spiritual development can interact together on a level playing field. Most accounts of spiritual or mental planes have discussed the inability of those who are further from love (on a hellish plane or stuck) to see or experience higher levels - say focus 27 - until they are ready for it.  Whereas on earth, there is the whole spectrum from loving souls to selfish/hateful ones, all going about their daily experiences.

Now one might think that as linnear time passes, their would be fewer people born into the ELS, as more people would mature in spirit, and continue to ascend rather than dive back into the physical.  Here is where things get tricky, because I think some of us dive back in with the full realization that we don't need to, but do it for the sake of others - people we love, and for certain higher purposes.

Some may wish to bring in a gift of knowledge.  Others, may be born to guide or protect another - I am convinced that my 8 year old son Joshua and I are bound, and that I came into this world in some way to watch over him. 

If we can act as guides, healers and teachers in spirit, how much more brave would it be to dive back into earth life, knowing we will be helping others in the physical world?

So yes, sometimes we wonder why we are here, if he are, in general good and loving, as if our evolution necessitated our moving on away from the ELS.  And then we find that love and sacrifice may bring us back, and it isn't all about our own spiritual progress any more, but about what we are willing to do for others.

M

Matthew,

Sounds like the Buddhist Bodhisattva.  From Shantideva:

May I be a protector to those without protection,
A leader for those who journey,
And a boat, a bridge, a passage
For those desiring the further shore.

May the pain of every living creature
Be completely cleared away.
May I be the doctor and the medicine
And may I be the nurse
For all sick beings in the world
Until everyone is healed.

wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 1:21am:

discontent and boredom too when it comes to this reality.   But remember, just because we are here, doesn't mean we can't experience other realities, etc.  There is no real limit.  One can be focused here, and focused anywhere else too.  Just ask "He/She".  It's a matter of speeding up one's vibratory patterns via attuning to PUL enough.   Speaking as one who has seen their probable future.

  I like this Justin.   :)

Romain wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:21pm:

Extraneous text deleted: Seraphis reply to Romain query: ...By the way I bought a five session 'past life hypnotheraphy' series from Stephanie... she is really good... I am going for my second session on thursday next... I will report the benefits of it to the board.. she is Dr. Brian Weiss trained... S.

Hi Romain: As I said I would report what I could about my session work and it is interesting that I found a ‘hollow heaven’ event that profoundly chiseled in stone a ‘belief’ foundation that has bedeviled me in the past… I am going to dismantle it… it revolves around asceticism and knowing God… of course, there is functionality to asceticism… fasting, deprivation of sense experience does lead to astral experience… but, those are extreme measures and wholly unnecessary when you have hemi-sync coupled with dedication to daily meditation work…

‘The greatest illusion of all is that mankind has limitations.’ Robert Monroe

S.