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Message started by Alan McDougall on Aug 20th, 2010 at 12:24am

Title: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 20th, 2010 at 12:24am

   Questions about Heaven, Hell, and Eternity


http://www.gotquestions.org/questions_eternity.html


Is there life after death?

How can I not go to hell?

Will we be able to see and know our friends and family members in Heaven?

What happens after death?

How can I know for sure that I will go to Heaven when I die?

What is Heaven like?

Is Heaven real?

Is hell real? Is hell eternal?

Are books such as 90 minutes in Heaven and 23 minutes in Hell biblically based?

Are there different levels of heaven?

Is annihilationism Biblical?

Can people in heaven look down and see those of us who are still on the earth?

What is the Judgment Seat of Christ?

What is the Great White Throne Judgment?

Will there be marriage in heaven?

Will there be sex in heaven?

What does the Bible say about soul sleep?

What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?

How can Heaven be perfect if all of our loved ones are not there?

How is eternity in Hell a fair punishment for sin?

Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?

Are there different levels of punishment in Hell?

What is paradise? Is it different than heaven? Where do people go when they die until Christ comes back?

What will we look like in Heaven?

What does the Bible say about purgatory?

What does the Bible say about Limbo?

What does the Bible say about reincarnation?

How do I find comfort and peace when I have lost a loved one?

How can I find comfort when an unsaved loved one has died?

What will we be doing in Heaven? Won't it get boring if we are there forever?

What age will everyone be in Heaven?

Will we have physical bodies in Heaven?

What does the Bible say about death?

Do we have an appointed time of death?

What does the Bible say about near death experiences?

What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection?

Will we remember our earthly lives when we are in Heaven?

What are the New Heavens and the New Earth?

Will it be possible for us to sin in Heaven?

Do we become angels after we die?

Will there be such a thing as gender in Heaven?

Why do so many people have to experience terrible suffering before death?

What is the New Jerusalem?

Is the Divine Comedy / Dante's Inferno a biblically accurate description of Heaven and Hell?

Is Luke 16:19-31 a parable or an account of events that actually occurred?

Where is Heaven? What is the location of Heaven?

Where is hell? What is the location of hell?

When will the Resurrection take place?

What is the intermediate state?

What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom?

Will we be able to see all three members of the Trinity in Heaven?

Is hell literally a place of fire and brimstone?

What does the Bible say about halos?

Going to Heaven - how can I guarantee my eternal destination?

Will we be naked in Heaven?

Who are "the cloud of witnesses" mentioned in Hebrews 12:1?

What happens at the final judgment?

What will be the purpose of the walls around the New Jerusalem?

What are the heavenly crowns that believers can receive in Heaven?


Title: Re: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by DocM on Aug 20th, 2010 at 12:46am
Alan,

Please don't take this the wrong way; none of this criticism is directed at you personally.

I am not sure why you posted that link, but it clearly was written by someone who had not one iota of insight into love, God and the afterlife.  As such, I find it to be useless, and not worth the time.

The only information given by the author is biblical quotes with commandments to do something under penalty of punishment.  Rubbish.  Anyone with insight into our conscious soul knows that it is we who punish ourselves.

There is nothing wrong with incorporating the Bible into a cosmological unified view; unless of course you are just spouting nonsense from a book without any experience or insight whatsoever (as this author clearly does).  Emanuel Swedenborg analyzed literally every line of the bible and tried to incorporate it into his understanding through conversations with angels (deceased people). 

Swedenborg came up with a cosmology and unified system where God, the foundation of love, was the force behind everything, and love of others and love of God were the key insights to spiritual progression.  Swedenborg found that christians who believed in the Trinity as separate deities did not truly evolve because they were part of the unity of God.  This was near heretical in his time..........

My point is, this author has no personal experience to share.  None.  Simply preaching line for line, and woe be it unto you not to listen.

With all of the conversations we have had on this board, about how our consciousness persists after death.  About how we judge ourselves and those who go to a hell do it willingly, because like attracts like in the afterlife - and our deepest nature be it loving or hateful, needs to express itself and chooses where we should be without the mask of civility....

With all of these discussions, and the stories we share on this board, I am sometimes amazed that you would post a link to unthinking, fear provoking junk like this.


Matthew

Title: Re: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 20th, 2010 at 1:29am

DocM wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 12:46am:
Alan,

Please don't take this the wrong way; none of this criticism is directed at you personally.

I am not sure why you posted that link, but it clearly was written by someone who had not one iota of insight into love, God and the afterlife.  As such, I find it to be useless, and not worth the time.

The only information given by the author is biblical quotes with commandments to do something under penalty of punishment.  Rubbish.  Anyone with insight into our conscious soul knows that it is we who punish ourselves.

There is nothing wrong with incorporating the Bible into a cosmological unified view; unless of course you are just spouting nonsense from a book without any experience or insight whatsoever (as this author clearly does).  Emanuel Swedenborg analyzed literally every line of the bible and tried to incorporate it into his understanding through conversations with angels (deceased people). 

Swedenborg came up with a cosmology and unified system where God, the foundation of love, was the force behind everything, and love of others and love of God were the key insights to spiritual progression.  Swedenborg found that christians who believed in the Trinity as separate deities did not truly evolve because they were part of the unity of God.  This was near heretical in his time..........

My point is, this author has no personal experience to share.  None.  Simply preaching line for line, and woe be it unto you not to listen.

With all of the conversations we have had on this board, about how our consciousness persists after death.  About how we judge ourselves and those who go to a hell do it willingly, because like attracts like in the afterlife - and our deepest nature be it loving or hateful, needs to express itself and chooses where we should be without the mask of civility....

With all of these discussions, and the stories we share on this board, I am sometimes amazed that you would post a link to unthinking, fear provoking junk like this.


Matthew


Hi Matthew I think you are right and I apologise for posting this stuff There are, however, a few questions that might resonate with what we on the forum believe

Blessings and light

I will remove this post when you return to the thread, sorry man!

Alan

Title: Re: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 20th, 2010 at 1:41am
Heck Doc not much left to debate!!  :) ;)

 
   Questions about Heaven, Hell, and Eternity


http://www.gotquestions.org/questions_eternity.html


Is there life after death?

How can I not go to hell?

Will we be able to see and know our friends and family members in Heaven?


What happens after death?

How can I know for sure that I will go to Heaven when I die?

What is Heaven like?

Is Heaven real?

Is hell real? Is hell eternal?

Are books such as 90 minutes in Heaven and 23 minutes in Hell biblically based?

Are there different levels of heaven?

Is annihilationism Biblical?

Can people in heaven look down and see those of us who are still on the earth?

What is the Judgment Seat of Christ?

What is the Great White Throne Judgment?


Will there be marriage in heaven?

Will there be sex in heaven?

What does the Bible say about soul sleep?

What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?

How can Heaven be perfect if all of our loved ones are not there?

How is eternity in Hell a fair punishment for sin?

Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?


Are there different levels of punishment in Hell?

What is paradise? Is it different than heaven?

What will we look like in Heaven?

What does the Bible say about purgatory?

What does the Bible say about Limbo?

What does the Bible say about reincarnation?


How do I find comfort and peace when I have lost a loved one?

How can I find comfort when an unsaved loved one has died?

What will we be doing in Heaven? Won't it get boring if we are there forever?

What age will everyone be in Heaven?

Will we have physical bodies in Heaven?

What does the Bible say about death?

Do we have an appointed time of death?

What does the Bible say about near death experiences?


What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection
?

Will we remember our earthly lives when we are in Heaven?

What are the New Heavens and the New Earth?

Will it be possible for us to sin in Heaven?

Do we become angels after we die?

Will there be such a thing as gender in Heaven?

Why do so many people have to experience terrible suffering before death?

What is the New Jerusalem?

Is the Divine Comedy / Dante's Inferno a biblically accurate description of Heaven and Hell?

Is Luke 16:19-31 a parable or an account of events that actually occurred?
Where is Heaven? What is the location of Heaven?

Where is hell? What is the location of hell?

When will the Resurrection take place?


What is the intermediate state?

What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom?

Will we be able to see all three members of the Trinity in Heaven?

Is hell literally a place of fire and brimstone?

What does the Bible say about halos?

Going to Heaven - how can I guarantee my eternal destination?

Will we be naked in Heaven?

Who are "the cloud of witnesses" mentioned in Hebrews 12:1?

What happens at the final judgment?

What will be the purpose of the walls around the New Jerusalem?

What are the heavenly crowns that believers can receive in Heaven?


Title: Re: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by detheridge on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:37am
Ok, here goes- try this lot for size!


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   Questions about Heaven, Hell, and Eternity


http://www.gotquestions.org/questions_eternity.html


Is there life after death?

Yes. End of story. You already know that.

How can I not go to hell?

You can't not go to hell because hell doesn't actually exist outside the BSTs. Any hell you go to is a figment of your own belief systems. Reject it and you're out of there.

Will we be able to see and know our friends and family members in Heaven?

Yes.

What happens after death?

See Bruce's and Bob Monroe's books (amongst many others)

How can I know for sure that I will go to Heaven when I die?

Because there's really nowhere else. F27 is just the start.

What is Heaven like?
Whatever you conceive it to be, and then some.

Is Heaven real?
Yes.

Is hell real? Is hell eternal?
No to both questions.

Are books such as 90 minutes in Heaven and 23 minutes in Hell biblically based?

Maybe, but then the current (King James) version of the bible is fundamentally and fatally mistranslated.

Are there different levels of heaven?

Almost certainly, and an infinite and constantly increasing number.

Is annihilationism Biblical?

Yes, but it's more of the same of stuff (and see above)

Can people in heaven look down and see those of us who are still on the earth?

Yes.

What is the Judgment Seat of Christ?

a BST construct?

What is the Great White Throne Judgment?

The same again.

Will there be marriage in heaven?

Why shouldn't there be if you desire it?

Will there be sex in heaven?

Again why not? And I think Bruce has written some stuff about a rather nice woman he met at his place in F27

What does the Bible say about soul sleep?

Don't worry about it- see above. Its probably not true anyway

What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?

Ignore it-it won't happen. You judge yourself. End of story.

How can Heaven be perfect if all of our loved ones are not there?

It's in a stand of constantly changing, growing and becoming. It's perfect all the time. You're loved ones are already there outside linear time. Eventually they'll all end up there.

How is eternity in Hell a fair punishment for sin?

It isn't. it's complete b***s***.

Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?

to a BST of their own?

Are there different levels of punishment in Hell?

It all depends what you've accepted from those who peddle this nonsense.

What is paradise? Is it different than heaven?
Probably not, as it's all the same in the end.

What will we look like in Heaven?

whatever we decide to look like. Reports from those who know claim anything from a white ball of light to what we looked like around age 30 -so others can recognise us.

What does the Bible say about purgatory?

Ignore it. it's another BST.

What does the Bible say about Limbo?

Same thing.

What does the Bible say about reincarnation?

It claims it's against the real teachings, but it was only in the 4th/5th century that it was declared anathema by the second Council of Nicea under the Emperor Justinian. Mind you, he was supposedly a secret devotee of the cult of Mithra.
So reincarnation WAS originally a bible teaching.

How do I find comfort and peace when I have lost a loved one?

Realise that they've not ceased to exist but are waiting for you elsewhere. Imagine that they've emigrated to somewhere else (South America, for example) and that a certain unspecified time in the future you'll do exactly the same thing.

How can I find comfort when an unsaved loved one has died?

Ignore this nonsense -no-one is unsaved.

What will we be doing in Heaven? Won't it get boring if we are there forever?

We can do anything we like, and if you get bored you can always incarnate again!  :D

What age will everyone be in Heaven?

30, according to reports (see above)

Will we have physical bodies in Heaven?

No. you'll have your own spirit (or light?) body.

What does the Bible say about death?

Whatever it does say is mostly wrong, due to deliberate revisionism over the centuries

Do we have an appointed time of death?

Probably

What does the Bible say about near death experiences?

See above. Bruce and Bob Monroe are probably more reliable.

What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection?

BSTs?

Will we remember our earthly lives when we are in Heaven?

Yes.

What are the New Heavens and the New Earth?

BSTs again?

Will it be possible for us to sin in Heaven?

No. so forget the idea and concept.

Do we become angels after we die?

No. We become our own guides and future selves -which may be perceived by us here and now as angels.
They're actually our future selves.

Will there be such a thing as gender in Heaven?

Probably not, as you'll have a balance of both within you and can decide how you wish to manifest them.


Why do so many people have to experience terrible suffering before death?

They don't have to. Maybe they agree to in a pre-life contract? From the soul point of view it's all experience. You are more than your physical body, remember.

What is the New Jerusalem?

another BST?

Is the Divine Comedy / Dante's Inferno a biblically accurate description of Heaven and Hell?

No.

Is Luke 16:19-31 a parable or an account of events that actually occurred?

Probably neither. See above.

Where is Heaven? What is the location of Heaven?

Right next to you, but in another dimension.

Where is hell? What is the location of hell?

Only in the minds of those who believe in it.

When will the Resurrection take place?

It won't. You're as dead now as you'll ever be!

What is the intermediate state?

There isn't one.

What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom?

They're all BSTs.

Will we be able to see all three members of the Trinity in Heaven?

No. They'll appear in a BST. Plus the fact is that the whole concept is flawed, substituting a holy ghost for the divine feminine. See above about the Bible being flawed.

Is hell literally a place of fire and brimstone?

No.

What does the Bible say about halos?

Whatever is does say is probably misunderstood. They may refer to the human aura.


Going to Heaven - how can I guarantee my eternal destination?

You don't have to. It's a done deal already. How long you take to get there is entirely up to you.

Will we be naked in Heaven?

Only if you wish to be.

Who are "the cloud of witnesses" mentioned in Hebrews 12:1?

No idea.

What happens at the final judgment?

You finally wake up to your real nature.

What will be the purpose of the walls around the New Jerusalem?

To look nice?  :o ::) :D

What are the heavenly crowns that believers can receive in Heaven?

Probably a bribe? You'll have far more interesting things to think about than whether or not you get a crown. ::)

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Right, that lot should guarantee that I get labeled Satanic by the fundamentalists!
;D

Best wishes,
David.
:)

Title: Re: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by vikingsgal on Aug 25th, 2010 at 5:29pm
Hi Doc,
Thanks so much for this kind and gentle quote.
Sometime ago I saw a charming picture of you with a child.  I thought you looked just as I had imagined.
Enjoy these last days of summer. 

Title: Re: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by Jean on Aug 29th, 2010 at 2:29pm
Dear, dear, David,

Right On!!! I'm goina' post this one on my wall as a reminder to both my husband and I.

Thanks,  And much Love, Jean :-*

Title: Re: Questions about heaven or Hell and afterlife
Post by Treb on Aug 30th, 2010 at 7:54am
My first feeling upon reading this is: if any of these are important questions to you, use the tools we have available (meditation, Hemi-sync, Bruce's material) and find out for yourself. No book - however well intentioned or authoritative - is a substitute for empirical knowledge.

Expand your awareness without prejudice  :)

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