Come back.  We need you and the meaningful conversations we used to have.  I don't post much of late, but loved it here when we had intersting,  insightful and sometimes somewhat spirited posts about the afterlife.  I know it can happen again.

Is there no way for Bruce to make a weekly post or topic?  He has been generous enough to create this site at all - for free for all to use.  Yet the discussions have really fallen off, and we need an infusion of energy.



Matthew

DocM wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 9:10am:

Come back.  We need you and the meaningful conversations we used to have.  I don't post much of late, but loved it here when we had intersting,  insightful and sometimes somewhat spirited posts about the afterlife.  I know it can happen again. Is there no way for Bruce to make a weekly post or topic?  He has been generous enough to create this site at all - for free for all to use.  Yet the discussions have really fallen off, and we need an infusion of energy. Matthew

Hi Matthew: Because of the subjective and experienctial nature of what we do in this sphere of activity... I suspect when one is new and excited about the forum's subject... one gets into a lot of intellectual back and forth... once one settles into the routine of the exercises and inner skill development the intellectual part of it falls away and the doingness becomes central. Also, the stochastic nature of this experienctial aspect makes it difficult to really put a linear frame on the work.

S.

Hi Matthew-

I agree, I also miss the provocative give and take that used to characterize this board.

I especially miss Don (aka Berserk).  His intellectual grasp of things combined with his Biblical knowledge was such that I looked forward to his posts and many times would print them out to read and re-read.

He was finally run off by some posters who apparently think that being a cheerleader is preferable to someone who challenges their beliefs and encourages them to examine the things they claim.

The best teacher I ever had was a woman who almost everyone intensely disliked (including me at the time).  Having the benefit of hindsight, I now realize she taught me more than any of my other teachers combined.  Why?  She challenged her students every day.  Not for the sake of arguing, but for the sake of having them defend their positions in order that they could grow intellectually. 

It's easy to vilify someone like that.  And it's easy to be a cheerleader.  Everyone wants to be liked and accepted.  The thing is, no one grows that way.  Growth comes by admitting that you might be wrong or that your premise might be faulty.  And having to reexamine the things you thought were true along with the reasons you came to believe the way you did.

Yes, Don was not the most diplomatic person on the board.  But he was the most stimulating precisely because he didn't "go with the flow."

Come to think of it, dead fish also go with the flow.   Not always a good thing.

For those people who get agitated whenever someone disagrees with them, remember that some of the most important scientific discoveries were made by persons who challenged the popular beliefs.

Maybe Don will return,maybe not.  I don't know.  The last exchanges were pretty brutal and uncalled for so I can't blame him if he stays away.

As for you Matthew, you are one of the few posters who I always read.  So please don't get discouraged.

I hope Bruce takes your recommendation.  His absence has led to entropy, and by having a weekly topic might re-energize the board and return it to where it was when I first joined over 10 years ago.

R

Rondelle:

If I remember correctly, the exchanges with Don were brutal partly because he showed such a lack of respect for people with new age thoughts.

If somebody basically says, "You're stupid, so you better listen to what I have to say, should people listen to such a person?

Plus, it isn't as if Don was completely open minded, even though he presented himself in such a way. For example, he scoffed at the higher self/disk/I-there viewpoint, as you have done to a lesser degree, perhaps because you haven't experienced such a level of being.  Perhaps people who have had such experiences  know what they are talking about.

I appreciate that Don speaks up for God and Christ,  but I doubt that Jesus would call people stupid and then expect them to listen.

Billions of people have belonged to churches for the past two thousand years, and the world is still a mess. Perhaps a better way needs to be found. Perhaps it would be easier for the Christ spirit to come into people if they weren't misled by the fundamentalist viewpoints of others. Perhaps something other than demons speak of disks, spirit guides, earth changes (we sure need them) and reincarnation.

Is it okay that I spoke bluntly, or should I have spoken like a cheerleader? :)

Thanks for the replies,

I didn't want this thread to be a plea for any one specific old timer to come back and contribute to the forum.  Rather, it was a general request. 

Seraphis is correct that as we pass through the intellectual/rational discussion, there is a sense of "knowing" about spiritual matters, and thus perhaps, less of a need to discuss them. 

I would argue that we should overcome this docile feeling for altruistic reasons; that if we discuss what we feel and know, others might benefit.  It is no different than doing a retrieval in some ways, to share your point of view so that another may open up and enjoy/understand. 

M

I agree.

DocM wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:

Thanks for the replies, I didn't want this thread to be a plea for any one specific old timer to come back and contribute to the forum.  Rather, it was a general request.  Seraphis is correct that as we pass through the intellectual/rational discussion, there is a sense of "knowing" about spiritual matters, and thus perhaps, less of a need to discuss them.  I would argue that we should overcome this docile feeling for altruistic reasons; that if we discuss what we feel and know, others might benefit.  It is no different than doing a retrieval in some ways, to share your point of view so that another may open up and enjoy/understand.  M

Hi M: That's why I post my exercise results. I think more people should provide the clinical details necessary to build a picture of how the non-physical works relative to the attainment of meditative skills and how they build and what releases the energy blockages that are the real source of our clouded vision... that is the clouds of darkness, illusion that prevents us from seeing God, The Light, The Oversoul or whatever one wants to call the Divine.

S.

I'm sorry if Don felt pushed out, but frankly I don't miss him and that is primarily for the reasons already covered by Albert. What he did stimulate was good argument amongst the open minded even though he could hardly count himself among them. I have enjoyed some of the newer posts, but I haven't felt the need to post much of late. I guess I'm not a big diary fan because they get so long and involved and I don't have the patience ...don't hate me because I'm a simpleton ;)

This site is one of my favorites and I check in at least daily.  My contributions have not been as frequent lately for some interesting reasons...namely, that certain events my guidance told me would occur are beginning to manifest.  These are causing dramatic changes in my current version of reality.  While I am aware of the general direction I am going, I cannot now see how far and to what extent I will travel nor the scope of the changes that will take place.  Large scale alterations are quite likely in my domestic and financial situations, a little less likely in my occupational situation...some changes are ascertainable while others are beyond anything I can conceive.  Guidance has told me that my October is going to be rough, however, the life I have on the other side of that long month are going to be absolutely wonderful.

Naturally, while my interest in the afterlife and former lives has not waned, I am forced to spend my time currently dealing with the "realities" I face...after years of floating along playing a minor role in this stage production, I am about to take center stage and play the role I came here to perform...it is my hope that I am able to perform through pure unconditional love and in the best interests of all involved.   

Usetawuz:

I'm not certain if this is the same thing, but I received messages about October. I'm not certain if these messages were personal or more universal.

The thing is, I've received messages about earth changes taking place, life being difficult, and then life becoming very positive. So is October a time when universal changes will take place, or individual changes?

One time I asked for a clarification about October,  I saw a pot I use for cooking turned upside down (probably means energy being turned upside down), then I saw a man pole vaulting, which could be a symbol for ascension. Perhaps even pole shift.

One time, without a reference to October or another time, I saw people going through great difficulty, and then I saw groups of very happy people dancing hand in hand in circles.

Recently I asked what's going to happen to me during the earth changes,  I found myself floating over a landscape and I saw soldiers and troubled people running about, and then I saw a bright sun like star in the sky, and it represented the Christ spirit.

As far as some are concerned this information might not seem scientific, but once you know you can trust your guidance (spirit friends :)), it is better.

Matthew

I have wondered what happened to Dave. He didn't un-join, he just disappeared. I miss his posts.

He went into the restaurant business, which can be very time consuming. Plus he still had his practice.



Lucy wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 12:54am:

Matthew I have wondered what happened to Dave. He didn't un-join, he just disappeared. I miss his posts.

As a newcomer, I have a couple of thoughts. I have found that the posts on this board are often either beyond me experientially, or outside of my "belief system". Either I cannot relate because the poster and responders are so far beyond where I find myself, or I find myself doubting the credibility of the reported experience. I have seen little debate, or what I would call intelectual argument.  This is most likely due to the factors described by the OP, and my relative newness to the site. What I sought when coming here was a community with a sense of shared experience and knowledge, where newcomers could post their experiences and questions, and find a group of mentors or fellow travelers, as well as a place where the more experienced could share experiences and have spirited discussions about them. Was it ever like that? To be honest, I sense a few of those here, but also many more folks residing in their own belief worlds, focused more on defending them than on reaching out. Thats not a knock on any of you, just my own disconnect with the reality of on-line communities like this.

Bardo,
Yes, we did have that even with critics like Don, check out the archives esp pg. 10 and past posts by Bruce. It's just right now we're probably going thru some sort of transition period as reflected globally.Thanks for your input.
Love, Jean

Bardo wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 1:17pm:

As a newcomer, I have a couple of thoughts. I have found that the posts on this board are often either beyond me experientially, or outside of my "belief system". Either I cannot relate because the poster and responders are so far beyond where I find myself, or I find myself doubting the credibility of the reported experience. I have seen little debate, or what I would call intelectual argument.  This is most likely due to the factors described by the OP, and my relative newness to the site. What I sought when coming here was a community with a sense of shared experience and knowledge, where newcomers could post their experiences and questions, and find a group of mentors or fellow travelers, as well as a place where the more experienced could share experiences and have spirited discussions about them. Was it ever like that? To be honest, I sense a few of those here, but also many more folks residing in their own belief worlds, focused more on defending them than on reaching out. Thats not a knock on any of you, just my own disconnect with the reality of on-line communities like this.

Hi Bardo: Unfortunately that is the nature of the beast. The belief system is the barrier... it locks up energy in a specific pattern and IT controls your ability to relate or experience... that's its job... to do just that... thus you subjective reality can't get past it without dismantling it...

S.

ive had a great many spiritual experiences,but I dont plan to post them again.mostley because,they wount be answered,or they dont get looked at.a lot of them are very good,like seeing loved ones who have past over.bruce had all my posts.George

George:

Perhaps it isn't a matter of how many people look, but who looks. If what you share benefits a few people, even if they keep mum, this is a good thing.


george stone wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 11:05pm:

ive had a great many spiritual experiences,but I dont plan to post them again.mostley because,they wount be answered,or they dont get looked at.a lot of them are very good,like seeing loved ones who have past over.bruce had all my posts.George

George,
I agree totally with recover so don't give up on us yet-we may be going thru a bit of a rocky period here. I know there are many I would like to respond to but wind up getting side tracked.
Jean

Most people think,that the body is the true self.that when it dies we are gone forever.I thought the same way,untill I found that we live on in spirit.I asked my guide,what happens after death?he said its just like going to sleep at night and waking up in the morning.I saw a man who died of cancer,a few days after he died.all dressed up and smiling.I saw my wife in the park at focus 27.she and another woman who died a few years after she did.They both waved to me.I walked over to the park bench,and huged my wife.she said,dont blame yourself,it was my time to go.she said its so nice here,I dont think I will ever go back..more later.George.

Hi George,

The park was where Bob Monroe used to meet his wife after she died. It caused him to miss her more.

So I'm glad that you involved now that your wife is gone even if it's this crazy site. My dear husband lost 2 wives to cancer and now we've been married for 25 years.

So life does continue as long as we stay involved.

Kind thoughts, Jean

Matthew,

I miss the people and the lively disscussions that use to be here, too.  Perhaps that's one reason why I don't visit this board much anymore. Another is my time has been so limited this past several months.  I'm still sort of active at linn's and mbt though.

Lucy,
If I'm not mistaken, Dave passed on a couple years ago.  I, too, loved his posts.

Kathy

Dave MBS passed away? Kathy, if you know this for a fact, please let me know.  I hope not, despite my deep conviction that he will be fine and continue to evolve.  If anyone knows for sure, please let me know.  I know he has a website which is active called "hypnoclinic" with his name in California.  It is still up, though no one may have taken it down.




He was/is one of the most enlightened souls I have ever come across.

Matthew

Matthew I don't remember who told me, but as far as I know it's true. There are phone numbers listed on his website. You could try calling. It looks like links on his site go to another server that was taken down.

Kathy

DocM wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 9:10am:

Come back.  We need you and the meaningful conversations we used to have.  I don't post much of late, but loved it here when we had intersting,  insightful and sometimes somewhat spirited posts about the afterlife.  I know it can happen again. Is there no way for Bruce to make a weekly post or topic?  He has been generous enough to create this site at all - for free for all to use.  Yet the discussions have really fallen off, and we need an infusion of energy. Matthew

Hi Matthew: I woke up this morning with this: You are trying to recreate the past... there is no past there is no future there is only NOW! The 1/10,000 of a second... is where one should attempt to live.

Moen's 'Silly Litttle Finger exerciss' is a start to find and experience that 1/10,000 of a second state of  NOW.

S.

Thanks, Seraphis. 

I'm not sure what to say.  Of course, we all want to recreate feelings and conversations that nourished us.  However, I think your guidance may be a wee bit off based here. 

I posted this thread, because there are enlightened loving souls out there who could post but left this website.  You see this as a personal ego searching for me; I see it as a sharing exercise for the board. 

I know that Bruce, Alyssia, Kathy, Lucy, Vicky, Kyo, Albert, and a myriad of other old timers from this board are out there now.  Some have moved on to other websites for their own reasons. 

Hundreds to thousands of people still check this site though.  Perhaps my call will be for naught, but then again, it is what my gut told me to do at the time.

Gotta go with the gut sometimes.


Matthew

DocM wrote on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 8:45am:

Thanks, Seraphis.  I'm not sure what to say.  Of course, we all want to recreate feelings and conversations that nourished us.  However, I think your guidance may be a wee bit off based here.  I posted this thread, because there are enlightened loving souls out there who could post but left this website.  You see this as a personal ego searching for me; I see it as a sharing exercise for the board.  I know that Bruce, Alyssia, Kathy, Lucy, Vicky, Kyo, Albert, and a myriad of other old timers from this board are out there now.  Some have moved on to other websites for their own reasons.  Hundreds to thousands of people still check this site though.  Perhaps my call will be for naught, but then again, it is what my gut told me to do at the time. Gotta go with the gut sometimes. Matthew

Hi Matthew: I think I understood that.. just pointing out that the past and future are illusions... I can't speak to why people have abandoned the site and new blood is not necessarily coming in and carrying on with developement... but, these things move in cycles... I am sure there will be another group cycling thru as time goes on..

S.

Matthew,

Thanks for mentioning my name as one of those old timers you are thinking of!!  I haven't abandoned the site by any means, just have been through personal things that take up my energy emotionally. 

You've inspired me to share some of my recent experiences though, so I'm working on typing it up and will post at some point today.  That's usually what I'm good at, is sharing my own experiences. 

I never seem to be good at coming up with questions to ask the board or great conversation starters like you do.  Honestly, I love to read your passionate posts like that. 

Anyway, I'm moved by your devotion and contribution to this site and like I said, you've inspired me to give my input more in whatever way I can.  It's nice to know I'm appreciated too.

Thanks!
:)

Vicky...:)
You've been branded now... "OLD Timer", and so young, welcome to the club.lol
PUL
R.

Romain,

You are definitely one of my favorite old timers here.


M

Mathew;
DocM; aka ??? ( I’ll stop here!)….:)

Your inputs and knowledge of afterlife is quite extensive/provocative/challenging/ interesting, also insightful and sometimes spirited, I like it. Wish you would post more often.

You don’t need anyone to challenge your posts, whoever wants to do it,…..will !!
And you may end up with a great discussion/exchange of ideas.
New members may find that it will challenge their Belief System? Who know.

We are all seekers one way or another. Some learn fast some learn slow it’s individual.
Just keep on posting you’ll get your answers/comments/and like everyone else learns something new.

Blessing to you and yours.
R.

PS. And I tend to agree with some poster that if you start name calling/disregard others feelings/thoughts/Believes …that where I draw the line
. And if you’ve read some of Bruce replies to Don re: pushing the envelope you’ll understand. Wherever he is i wish him the best.

Such a delight you all are, each one of you a beautiful flower. I must find everyone.

love, little bee

  Speaking for myself, i am motivated and guided by Him and His words of, "those who are whole don't need physicians." 

  In my earlier days i felt a need to share, and a need to connect to like minded people with similar beliefs. 

  I realized that for me, this was limiting, and so i purposely spend more time with those not on a similar wavelength. 

  In other words, with some exceptions, this site and most of the people attracted to it and to Bruce's work/energy, seem for the most part to be on the path of really healing self.  Bruce has set up a good flow, and like tends to attracts and begets like.

  So no need to expend much time and energy here, there are other places more in need of this kind of info and energy.   The whole retrieval process is much broader and universal than just stuck folks who have become what some call "ghosts". 

    Plus, i realized how much in the past i use to intellectually masturbate by debating with others.  I'm trying to keep that to a minimum now, with the occasional exception of topics i feel are more important to go more in depth about for lack of info and awareness--like the Reptilian issue or the Changes coming.

  But, in any case, i wasn't listed as one of the "old timers" here anyways.   

That is because, Justin you qualify as an "ancient" timer here.


Your old friend "Ra".

hi matthew and all    i only just read this,i absolutley loved dave,i loved al his posts,such a beautiful soul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCQUt9smmbo

Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am in a thousand winds that blow,
I am the softly falling snow.
I am the gentle showers of rain,
I am the fields of ripening grain.
I am in the morning hush,
I am in the graceful rush
Of beautiful birds in circling flight,
I am the starshine of the night.
I am in the flowers that bloom,
I am in a quiet room.
I am in the birds that sing,
I am in each lovely thing.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there. I do not die

love you lots dave,the spiritworld has gained one of the best. r.i.p      love and god bless  love juditha xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi. Long time reader here, haven't posted in so long I had to re-register. Deep into my Gateway Voyage tapes (yes, tapes, I've had them that long) and running Bruce's home study diligently. Maybe I have something I can add, at last  :)

Hi Treb, welcome. 

Tapes??  Holy moly.   

:)

Welcome Treb;
Geee now we know how young you are..:)
I still have those, the one they (TMI) used to send to members every  month..then it went to 2 times a month and then once a month..yep been a while.
PUL.

All the old familiar faces, in all the old familiar places. I think a lot of us just come and go as life brings and takes us. I am sure Don will be back at some point. It shouldn't be any more than two years,.. less a day. ;) Who knows, if hes good, perhaps sooner. I see most of everyone here. AKA and I had words some time back but we agreed to disagree and life moved on. I know personally I was getting a little full of the Christian Right movement on the board and it became quite a large turnoff for me. So I took a break instead of completely leaving. I am open to anyone's belief, at the same time hope that my beliefs will be respected in return. That seamed to disappear for a while here. By the way, I am not completely innocent in the matter.
When it comes to tapes...That's what I have also. In fact I will be listing everything for sale, I mean everything, very soon.. and should I receive a reasonable offer for my collection...It will be excepted and someone new will have an opportunity to enjoy The Gateway Experience "HemiSync" tapes as much as I do. I also have a lot of the CDs.. music, H-Plus exercises, other ones, etc that will be included. Who ever picks it up wont be disappointed. Anyone who is really interested can PM me and I will pick up the pace on getting the listing done.
By the way, just so you all know, I love all of you, and  I feel so fortunate to be a part of your disks experience here.   

Just for the record, I saw that Don was logged on one night last week.

Greetings.

   I love reading all of the posts here. However, I don't contribute much during the summer as I'm too involved in C1 consciousness activities. I haven't had much meditation time lately.

   I travelled to Arizona in the spring and to Chicago in the summer. I'm still unemployed but hoping to start classes in a local school soon for medical knowledge since that's where all the jobs are where I live. I look forward to making new posts soon.

Ralph

Funny, I was a regular on this board in a past incarnation (of it, not me :) and just today felt like coming back and taking a new look. I don't remember my old user name or password, so I just signed up as new.

What I remember from the board "back when," that caused me to stop coming, was that there were a few, extremely patient, advanced people who answered the same questions ad nauseum. Like, "How do I have an OBE?" etc. Once a person gets beyond that point themselves, unless they are blessed both with patience and a desire to teach, they go where they resonate better. Such was the case with me; I don't have all that much patience, and I needed to go somewhere that I resonated with better.

I'll hang around a while here and see what I see. I love discussions but am not that fond of "I have the only right answer" points of view, nor do I desire to get in endless repeated arguments with the holders of such points of view.

MA

Hey Doc. I still come here to read the posts. Like Ralph, I haven't posted much lately but I'm still around. Largely my difficulties in focusing from my OCD and Asperger's syndrome has been a barrier with meditation. Lately I've attempted to use the methods in the book Getting in the Gap as a starter for meditation, which is mostly focusing on the space between two words in a sentence. It has worked a little bit for me. I guess it's a start. I haven't contributed much in recent posts though since I've been busy and sometimes not sure what to say. Still, I enjoy coming here to read the posts.
Peace.
David.