I was visiting a hospital today and I got thinking about how the terminally ill who are pain and consequently submerged in a morphine stupor.

Do you think this may have a detrimental effect when they finally make the transition? They could quite conceivably not realize they had died because of the hazy effect of teh drug and find themselves stuck in focus 23.

Would you let a terminally ill loved take morphine if they were in agony given the knowledge they might get stuck when they pass?

I've wondered about this too. According to some sources of information some people end up earthbound and attached to people still living after they die, because of alcoholism or a drug addiction.

A lot of people who are addicted, are addicted to prescription drugs. Good going money making drug industry.

According to my experience of being in a morphine induced coma for 2 weeks, it did not prevent me from meeting with others on the board while OBEing during the period when the pulmonary specialist feared that I would not survive.

It was at that time that I was informed that I would be returning here so I teasingly requested a message, and got it.

So don't worry, we're pretty amazing creatures and more than our bodies. But then again, it's up to you to decide what to believe even if it's right in front of your nose.

Jean

Perhaps another way to look at it, some people get involved with drugs and alcohol because of psychological issues. If they still have those issues when they die, as opposed to moving towards the light and dealing with them, they attach to a person and try to live through he (or she) vicariously.

If a person takes morphine for reasons other than psychological issues, when he dies,  a lack of major issues will make it so he can move towards the light more easily than a person with issues.

I figure the love and peace of the light is much for fulfilling than the effects of a drug.

I certainly wouldn't withhold pain medication, even strong opiates, from someone in severe pain, whether they are dying or not.  My understanding is that opiates used in that situation are not addictive. But, of course, being addictive is of no consequence when one is dying.  I have to believe that a person who used strong drugs in such circumstances (severe pain while dying) will be able to soon escape whatever stuckness they first encounter after dying, at least if their belief system supports getting to The Park or other good place.

It seems to me that once out of the body then the physical restrictions of that body would release the spirit or soul back to its original and ultimate quality. Even many psych issues would be dropped because they are due to actual brain problems in the physical environment.

I came across a quote from Joseph Campbell's book, Myths to Live By in 2008 that seem to fit my experience. I found this passage relevant to my experience because by the time I was in the morphine induced coma, I had been studying Monroe and Moen work for about 10 years and part of this site for 2 years. My words are in brackets.

The mystic {may or might not be}, endowed with native talents....and following....the instructions of a master, enters the waters and finds he can swim: whereas the schizophrenic {or person with a possible mental illness}, unprepared, unguided, and {or} ungifted, has fallen or has intentionally plunged and is drowning.

Retrievers on this site as well as Monroe's have successfully brought some individuals that died from overdoses from focus 23 (refer to Alysia's definitions on, I think, the bookclub forum) to focus 27.

Just my thought-hope it might clarify for someone.

Jean

I believe you can intentionally plunge without drowning because the whole of who you are is far greater than the physical manifestation and the Self knows much more than the brain. That Self can only be fully sensed once the mortal coil is cast off. What I'm really saying is experience is experience, and all of it leads ultimately to a more vast realm of realization for the Self.

Beau wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 3:26pm:

I believe you can intentionally plunge without drowning because the whole of who you are is far greater than the physical manifestation and the Self knows much more than the brain. That Self can only be fully sensed once the mortal coil is cast off. What I'm really saying is experience is experience, and all of it leads ultimately to a more vast realm of realization for the Self.

There are drugs available that will give one a real esoteric or supernatural experience.  LSD brings this to mind.

Beau I found that my mania allowed these ethereal doors into the supernatural to be opened but sadly not controllable  :)

Alan

I would only say, Alan, that just as a character in play has no control over circumstances the more complete Actor playing him does. The Actor allows himself to go below his own depths for discovery. I say we are characters until we can discern this about our selves. We are not who our bodies make us. If we are wired funny we are not necessarily that way when awakened to our Whole Self.

Sorry that your mom had a hard time though.

Beau

Why would it matter?  Morphine (used to relieve pain of the dying) is a physical drug that affects the physical body, not the "spirit". Once you "step out" of the body, don't you step away from everything that's affecting the body? 

But an addict has a emotional connection with drugs, so the emotional problems could continue, I suppose. 

It would trouble me, indeed, if use of morphine hindered transition, as my Dad had plenty of morphine when he passed.  I'd hate to think the only way he could have transitioned with clarity was with terrible pain! 

OMG!  With that post I suddenly became a "Junior Member"!  YAY!

But Calypso, consider that you could (not that you would) post 50 brief, meaningless posts and be a full member!  50 more like the one I'm doing right now and you're a full member of the club!  Yahoo!!