I usually don't have these types of wandering/wondering thoughts, but it occurred to me, what if we were all a part of the same Disc, specifically, I was thinking Robert Monroe's? It would certainly be a cool way to get everyone together, lead them to the same place to learn the information.

When I listen to Robert's voice, it's very soothing to me, versus the later recordings where it is someone else talking. In fact, the other person talking to me sounded like they had just inhaled helium, lol.

Anyhow, it was a strange thought and I wanted to share it for any feedback.

It's not a too strange thought, others, too, had this idea. When I remember correctly, Monroe wrote in his third book that one of the purposes of setting up TMI was that some who visit it would be of the same I-there (disk) as Monroe, and those would find back easier with the help of TMI, so that they all would be gathered together at the right time to leave this system, heading for something new.

Spooky

On the other hand, when it comes to the spirit world, it isn't as if disks keep to themselves.

Soul group associations is another possibility.

goobygirl wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 10:47pm:

I usually don't have these types of wandering/wondering thoughts, but it occurred to me, what if we were all a part of the same Disc, specifically, I was thinking Robert Monroe's? It would certainly be a cool way to get everyone together, lead them to the same place to learn the information. When I listen to Robert's voice, it's very soothing to me, versus the later recordings where it is someone else talking. In fact, the other person talking to me sounded like they had just inhaled helium, lol. Anyhow, it was a strange thought and I wanted to share it for any feedback.

Hi Gooby: I remember distinctly back in the '70's when I first encountered the JOOB book with the info about a center... I had a strong urge to contact Monroe, but, I resisted it... it seemed too farfetched and too far to go... I thought obe's were accidental and one could not teach the art... you either had it or you didn't...  that was then and this is now... but the pull never seemed to disipate... suddenly I was in position to go and try... the rest is history.

S.

What actually got me thinking about this was I remember someone here claiming they were part of his disc, don't remember who. And I thought, well that's kinda grandiose (sorry, but that's what I thought) and then I thought, well why not? wouldn't that be an interesting way to gather people together.

If anyone knows that they're in my disc, or, that I am in their's, would you please let me know?  I'm serious...most of the time...

I have absolutely no clue what you mean by being on the same disc????

I am not on any audio storage device and in the afterlife I am not on any audio storage device either.

Also the TMI cd crap is just that... crap... to make money on cd's and REALLY expensive workshops.

Do you know what the Monroe Institute is the most similar to?

A church.

That's right. A church that instead of donations requires all of it's members to pay hundreds of dollars for your "spiritual food."

The Monroe Institute makes me sick.

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 5:39pm:

I have absolutely no clue what you mean by being on the same disc???? I am not on any audio storage device and in the afterlife I am not on any audio storage device either. Also the TMI cd crap is just that... crap... to make money on cd's and REALLY expensive workshops. Do you know what the Monroe Institute is the most similar to? A church. That's right. A church that instead of donations requires all of it's members to pay hundreds of dollars for your "spiritual food." The Monroe Institute makes me sick.

I hope I'm not in your disc...

Jehova:

We aren't talking about CD discs with a "c," we're talking about higher self/oversoul/I-there/disks with a "k."  Everybody has one, and they aren't vestigal like an appendix.

Some people believe in disks like they believe in people, because they have made contact with them.

About Jehova's post,
there might be some who become addicted to TMI. But that's unavoidable. I took Gateway Voyage and Lifeline and don't regret it. Up to now, I don't feel it's necessary to book another course. If one feels like it's necessary to have one every half a year or so, well then this person has a problem, but it's not that they at TMI designed it that way.

From my phasing journeys I indeed have the impression that whom we meet and where we go isn't just random. And, as recoverer hinted at, I once felt like I was between two I/Theres, sent out by my own one to another one to make contact. It's strange to imagine that such large entities might have communication problems, but maybe, as below, so above.

Spooky

Jehovah, if you don't know what you are talking about, then educate yourself. If you don't want to associate with people who have a common bond or way of thinking, leave.

It's very simple.

Oh and if you don't like TMI, don't go. And why join a site to just bash? People like you are called trolls. Go troll somewhere else troll.  :-X

Actually, the initial poster used the words disc, not disk. I of course knew the original post could have nothing to do with cd's, but, taken at face value, the post itself sounds a lot like it.

I think this disc/disk wording is very strange. Oh, I get the concept, but I feel it is way off. In fact, any concept in regards to the afterlife is way off because it is all pseudoscience and is 100% unprovable in a scientific experiment at this time.


I also feel that everything I say negative in regards to the Monroe Institute needs to be said. People sign up and read every article and pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to essentially support a business which is out there to make money.

TMI is in essence a very expensive religion and a church, they just pretend they aren't.

Too many people aren't seeing this, and since I am just about the only one that seems to I need to tell the people the good word and spread the knowledge.

Did you ever talk to Helga about Cindy now?

If this doesnt make sense to you, nvm.

Goobygirl I was thinking the same thing.....

wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 2:41am:

I think this disc/disk wording is very strange. Oh, I get the concept, but I feel it is way off. In fact, any concept in regards to the afterlife is way off because it is all pseudoscience and is 100% unprovable in a scientific experiment at this time..

...and you are on a board dedicted to this "pseudoscience"... why?  Especially since you know that those of us here on a regular basis have had experiences that are not explained by "real science"...that same real science that thought the earth was flat and was the center of the universe a mere few centuries ago.  Please, don't save us from ourselves...we're capable.

I appreciate your letting us know where you stand...it saves time.

usetawuz wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 8:49am:

wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 2:41am: I think this disc/disk wording is very strange. Oh, I get the concept, but I feel it is way off. In fact, any concept in regards to the afterlife is way off because it is all pseudoscience and is 100% unprovable in a scientific experiment at this time.. ...and you are on a board dedicted to this "pseudoscience"... why?  Especially since you know that those of us here on a regular basis have had experiences that are not explained by "real science"...that same real science that thought the earth was flat and was the center of the universe a mere few centuries ago.  Please, don't save us from ourselves...we're capable. I appreciate your letting us know where you stand...it saves time.

trill post

usetawuz,

"I appreciate your letting us know where you stand...it saves time."

Us/group vs. Jehovah, how did you come up with that?

Jehovah,

If TMI was like a religion or a church I wouldn't have typed that name with another man's arm on a stick. I agree with expensive, but know nothing about their business model. With the price tag I figure people really think it through before coughing up the dough. Money for nothing and like minded people for free - if one spends a hefty amount of money on something that's not for you, maybe that lesson would show ET how to finally phone home?

Some people jump fences from religion to science, but it's just another department in the earthbound division. Personally I don't see the point in proving something to somebody else as long as I've proved it to myself. Even with shabby home-made learn to trust yourself standards of proof, it could very well be that some body gets to know they can fly their focus around without.. a body, and the conclusion turns out to be more elaborate than I'm a.. balloon.

I haven't been to TMI, so certainly it isn't a necessity; nevertheless, many people have found going their valuable. I figure Robert Monroe had good intentions when he started TMI.

Regarding hemisync CDs, I haven't tried one, but some people seem to like them. The thing is, there are so many versions of them now, and perhaps they have moved away from the original intent.

TMI's not expensive. What a ridiculous thing to say. The church in our community just sold property that they had been entrusted to administer for our community. They has some perversions to pay for and our community must have seemed like an easy mark for them. Now they scooped up hundreds of thousands of dollars off of us. That's expensive. I didn't mind paying out $1750.00 to TMI for a weeks stay. It was life changing to be with others who are on the same wavelength. Money is not God. It comes and it goes. Some people just put to much weight upon its worth. What would you pay to know the answers you are looking for in your life? Now calling it a religion is also a mistake. Its not one. Nor did RAM intend it to be one. Its only those who have a need to have a religion in their lives, who on their own deside to look upon TMI  and RAM as one. How ridiculous. I sure dont see them as that. I kind of feel sorry for Jehovah. Seems so lost and empty of love and understanding of himself. Much like the JW's themselves. I would be happy to be a part of Bob's disk. In fact I think that many who end up attending TMI may be connected in some way within the group consciousness of that disk.(disc? does the spelling really matter?) I wonder what Jehovah is so afraid of? Learning the truth perhaps? Is my God is better than his God?

usetawuz wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 5:39pm: I have absolutely no clue what you mean by being on the same disc???? I am not on any audio storage device and in the afterlife I am not on any audio storage device either. Also the TMI cd crap is just that... crap... to make money on cd's and REALLY expensive workshops. Do you know what the Monroe Institute is the most similar to? A church. That's right. A church that instead of donations requires all of it's members to pay hundreds of dollars for your "spiritual food." The Monroe Institute makes me sick. I hope I'm not in your disc...

LOL!!!  ;D.  makes you wonder what he thinks of us and why he is here at all. Go figure!!

S.

Hi Jehovah-

You said : 'In fact, any concept in regards to the afterlife is way off because it is all pseudoscience and is 100% unprovable in a scientific experiment at this time' I observe that the word 'pseudoscience' is generally used by skeptics for things currently off their radar rather than any particular flaw in the science itself. For example many rigorous experiments showing positive results have been performed in the areas such as psi and telekinesis previously written off as pseudoscience. Scienctific boundaries are forever moving as new discoveries are made and this now includes work into NDEs and mediumship .

Regarding the Monroe Institute I would say if it is a religion it is a very broad-based one ! As far as I'm aware the only belief you need to entertain is that you may be more than your physical body- most religions demand more than that ! Regarding the fees I would say that to me they seem reasonable (accomodation,transfers,food,trainers etc.) - in the corporate world training courses are usually very expensive... even spiritually-inclined organisations need to pay the bills.

Having said that I don't think honest criticism  should be silenced- just patiently answered .

Dave

I don't believe in crushing dissent either, but I also don't understand trolls. Fairies maybe, but not trolls, lol.

Okay, I'll play the roll of de...trolls advocate.

If Jehova believes what he says, it isn't bad for him to say what he says. The key is, was he trying to be helpful, or just trolling along?

Helpful only to the extent that stirring the pot is sometimes helpful.  It seems to me that anyone who has to trash everything that doesn't fit his idea of "science" is as hung up in a belief system as any fundamentalist.

Pat E. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 1:23am:

Helpful only to the extent that stirring the pot is sometimes helpful.  It seems to me that anyone who has to trash everything that doesn't fit his idea of "science" is as hung up in a belief system as any fundamentalist.

Well said.

S.

'I don't believe in crushing dissent either, but I also don't understand trolls. Fairies maybe, but not trolls, lol.'

How about trolls who one day become fairies ?  ;)

  Sometimes people look for attention in odd places or in odd ways.

RE: back to the original question.  My experience so far suggests that Disks generally don't project a ton of selves into the same space/time cycles. 

   I've found out that at one point, i had at least a few Disk selves out there.   One has died already, and he was pretty young when he died.   Like with Bruce and Bob, there was even a similar kind of ring between our most used names.  My name is Justin Whitson and the other Disk self was John Nickerson.  Sort of similar to the general similar phonetic ring of Bruce Moen and Bob Monroe. 

  I agree with Recoverer--often it's more a matter of Soul groups and associations. 

In a sense, you could say there are different levels of "Disks", and this is something that Bruce went into in his books.   Remember in "Voyage to Curiosity's Father" how Bruce came upon the Planning Intelligence Disk by exploring "behind" his Disk, following it's cord or connections to a larger Disk, and so on and so forth until he came to the 8th Disk which was the Planning Intelligence aka the Co-Creator of our general Reality frame/paradigm?

  The guidance i've gotten about this, supports what Bruce wrote about.  There are different levels of connection between different Disks.  Generally speaking the two main factors are karmic ties both in the physical and nonphysical sense, and then also importantly, similarity or differences between general wavelengths/spiritual maturity levels.   

  I once very briefly wondered if i was part of Monroe's Disk because of a dream i had had about accidentally killing my cats and how viscerally upsetting it was when i woke up   But i asked Guidance about it, and from what i understood, i am not but my Disk is on a similar general wavelength/similar spiritual developement level as is Bruces/Bob's.  I realized the dream was more symbolic, but i also did realize that there was a loose, non personal connection to Monroe and his experience. 

My Disk was using what i knew of Bob Monroe's experience to give me a message about the destructiveness and irrationality of fear.  If folks remember, Bob killed one (or two) of his cats because during his early OBE stage one tried interacting with him nonphysically and he in his deep, out of control fear thought they were like dangerous demon snakes or something.   He nonphysically strangled one of them and never saw the cat again.  He wrote in his biography that he felt pretty bad about that for a long time.  There was another layer or aspect to the dream message as well.

  Bruce's claim about being part of Monroe's Disk was verified for me after i had a dream about seeing Bruce's face morph into Bob's and back and forth a bit, and then into Bruce's.   I had the dream not so much to verify Bruce's specific claim BUT to verify for me the Disk concept in general & at the same time to verify the concept that our Souls/Disks can have more than one personality going on in roughly the same time-space cycle.   

  The only more closer connection i'm aware of between Bob's Disk and i, is that a Disk member of my Twin Soul's worked with Bob, and there may be a connection between my Disk and her then guidance.   If there are closer karmic type ties, i'm not aware of any, and i'm coming to the realization that it doesn't matter too much with whom or in what capacity we are connected with, because ultimately what is more important is that Universal connection we have between ALL of us. 

When we fully realize and more so live that truth, then do we realize that truly we are all part of the same larger, most collective Disk, the Disk of Source Itself.   We become One with the Planning Intelligence, and then our specific, individual Disks move on to become Co-Creators of other realities like the Planning Intelligence Disk is of ours. 

  That's what's most important.  It has to become universal and unconditional in order to become fully creative and only growth producing in essence. 

   Meanwhile, until we get there, i do see some value in learning about one's own other lives etc., because in many cases, it's what we are unconscious of within ourselves which limits us most--especially those deeply emotionally embedded aspects and tendencies which often relate so strongly to our other physical lives of our Disk. 

  Agreeing with Dave for a moment here, it's true, most of us at some point in our existence have played the role of "trolls" to some extent or degree, and so it's helpful to remember that and remember true tolerance and patience are very much a part of the overall meaning of PUL. 

  Not to say that outside consequences can't be helpful or loving in essence, because sometimes that's the wake up call another erring self needs, and sometimes not. 

  Btw, another outer source to check out re: this question is Brian Weiss's book, "Only Love is Real".   

In the book, there is a sort of channeling session wherein the Guidance that came through, talked about how lifetimes were from a broader perspective, more simultaneous in essence.

  This same guidance supported the Monroe/Moen theory that a Soul can also project more than one personality into a similar time-space cycle.  However, this guidance said that it wasn't easy to do and that it was only more spiritually mature Souls which could and do this. 

  I don't know how true or not that statement is.  Certainly i would say that Monroe's Disk is definitely a more mature one but that doesn't mean that others less so can't and don't do this as well.   

I will respond again since this is still related to TMI which I am assuming is related to the disc theory?

Yes no?

I have read Robert A. Monroe's "Ultimate Jounrey."

This book is the hokeyest thing I have ever read! Let's see, Robert A. Monroe states that he contacted aliens and spirits while listening to his binaural beats and meditating. These strange meetings are very creative and sure do sell a good book! But are they scientific? Are they scientifically provable? Are they even likely?

No..

The likely answer?

The land of make believe... in your head!

I am not stating that this is a fact either, I am just pointing out that this book of his was filled with such creative and outlandish things that one has to question them.....

Heisen69 had the most polite post in response by the way.... Kudos to you! =)  :D

Hi gang,
one quick question regarding disks (Jehovah you can ignore this as it's all ***** to you anyway  ;D)

Are twin souls from the same disk, and if not how does the whole 'other half of my soul' concept work?
I've just started rereading Bruce's books after a long time away from them and at present, I can't see any references to that -unless I'm looking in the wrong place....

Best wishes,
David.
:)

wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 8:48pm:

I will respond again since this is still related to TMI which I am assuming is related to the disc theory? Yes no? I have read Robert A. Monroe's "Ultimate Jounrey." This book is the hokeyest thing I have ever read! Let's see, Robert A. Monroe states that he contacted aliens and spirits while listening to his binaural beats and meditating. These strange meetings are very creative and sure do sell a good book! But are they scientific? Are they scientifically provable? Are they even likely? No.. The likely answer? The land of make believe... in your head! I am not stating that this is a fact either, I am just pointing out that this book of his was filled with such creative and outlandish things that one has to question them.....

I think it's healthy to question other people's experiences and have your own. I believe the majority of aliens and contact with other beings is an internal journey. We are not likely to make contact with spaceships and those types of aliens face to face in this lifetime I think.

So, I don't expect anyone to believe anyone else's internal journeys and communications, but the best way to discover these other planes of existence is to find them on your own.

Whether you choose to consider them fanciful or give them more weight is up to you.

Personally, I believe in other realms of existence and believe meditation is the key. Whether you do it the old fashioned way or with binaural beats, it's all meditation.

While my comments may have not received a kudos, you have to admit, coming here and making some of those statements are like going to an abortionist website and telling them how they are all wrong. It's not going to go very far very fast. You might like stirring the pot to answer your own questions, and that's cool.

It's like what I was telling a child today, people who make fun of you are usually unsure of themselves.

Maybe you feel it is appropriate to things to "stir the pot" because you want to discover something yourself?

Goobygirl,

"While my comments may have not received a kudos, you have to admit, coming here and making some of those statements are like going to an abortionist website and telling them how they are all wrong. It's not going to go very far very fast. You might like stirring the pot to answer your own questions, and that's cool."

The overwhelming majority of the people I meet think this and similar matters are a waste of time. That's ok, for them. Not forgetting the topic, would you be surprised if any of your disk members thought of these matters as unreal? Someone up to their ears in this system will have very different experiences than those who have started unwrapping from it. For those wrapped up in life as being something you do while on earth, ready or not, dropping dead will be a focus opener. I'm not a fan of the belief system areas, but at least it won't be a shock to appear there, as believers know where they're going when the infamous end starts.

"It's like what I was telling a child today, people who make fun of you are usually unsure of themselves."

Belief system area. Cloud. Dressed up as jesus from the paintings. Descending to a small crowd. The sound of Bob Marley on the cloudspeakers playing 'get up, stand up'. Morph into their images and then poof. Wholesome fun.

Volu wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 10:31am:

Goobygirl, The overwhelming majority of the people I meet think this and similar matters are a waste of time. up in life as being something you do while on earth, ready or not,

Hi all: An existential question: Can 1,000,000 frenchmen be wrong?

S.

detheridge wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:17pm:

Hi gang, one quick question regarding disks (Jehovah you can ignore this as it's all ***** to you anyway  ;D) Are twin souls from the same disk, and if not how does the whole 'other half of my soul' concept work? I've just started rereading Bruce's books after a long time away from them and at present, I can't see any references to that -unless I'm looking in the wrong place.... Best wishes, David. :)

Hi David: My understanding is that the oversoul sends out a part of itself that is it splits into thousands of parts and like puppets on the silver cord they are individualized and attempt have experiences to learn lessons... essentially the Master oversoul's parts are really one being individualize for a specified purpose... so they are all the same being in essense... unlike clones which degrade... each entity is a pure 'god' or creative essense of the master oversoul with all the same attributes without degradation that's why when the the individual ego decides to return to its eternal self... it merges as one with that self.

S.

Volu,

I wouldn't be surprised if my disk members thought differently than I. I think it's all a learning experience, our physical life and our lives after the physical.

It's good to question. It's good to say "that doesn't fit for me."

But I find it a little disconcerting when people have to poke at other people's way of looking at things and say it's a crock. I personally feel this way about many religions, but I don't get the bully stick out and beat anyone in that religion over the head with it. Their religion is their way of understanding things...and eventually, I think we all find our way back, no matter the path.

It's of no concern to me if someone wants to believe in Jesus, Krishna, Annunaki, or the Cookie Monster as his or her creator/god.

Likewise, if we go back to an oversoul, a disk, a belief system, or nothing happens at all, I'm all good with it. I happen to think, feel, and believe that "I am more than my physical body" so that's why I study and meditate the way I do.

And this week, I'm a little bit testy....but I'm sure I'll settle down....  :o

Goobygirl,

"[...] And this week, I'm a little bit testy....but I'm sure I'll settle down...."

Those were balanced thoughts for having a testy week at least.

In this lifetime I'm getting lots of opportunities to practice being patient....lol

This past week was one doozy...onward!