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Title: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Jul 27th, 2010 at 5:39am
Many great men and woman had to live with this at times appalling mental disorder, I prefer to call it manic depression rather than the milder term bipolar disorder
Below is a list of remarkable people who suffer/ed from manic depression Famous People With Bipolar Disorder There are many famous people that have/had bipolar/manic depression. These people were very talented, and live/lived very productive lives. Many of these people contributed so much to society that there is no doubt in my mind that without them the world would not be the same place. All these people have one thing in common and that is they all suffer from bipolar disorder. It is said that there is a link between bipolar disorder and creativity, and after realizing that most people who are geniuses or are very creative have some type of mental illness, that statement is proven very accurate. Here is a list that I have put together, I'm sorry if I missed. It's hard to keep a complete list. If you know of anymore that aren't on my list, feel free to let me know, and I'll add them. Kurt Cobain- composer (Nirvana) Jimi Hendrex- musician Axl Rose- musician (Guns 'n Roses) Marvin Lee Aday- musician, actor (Meat Loaf) Buzz Aldrin- astronaut Hans Christian Anderson- writer Louie Anderson- comedian, actor Fiona Apple- musician Roseanne Barr- comedian, actress Ned Beatty- actor Ludwig Van Beethoven- composer Arthur Benson- writer William Blake- poet Napoleon Bonaparte- general Robert Boorstin- writer, assistant to President Clinton Marlon Brando- actor Tim Burton- artist, movie director Drew Carey- comedian, actor Jim Carey- actor Winston Churchill- British Prime Minister John Clare- poet Dick Clark- TV. personality Paula Cole- musician Calvin Coolidge- U.S. President Sheryl Crow- musician John Daly- athlete (golf) Rodney Dangerfield- comedian, actor John Davidson- poet Ellen DeGeneres- comedian, actress John Denver- musician Charles Dickens- writer Emily Dickens- poet Patty Duke- actress, writer T.S. Elliot- poet Carrie Fisher- writer, actress Robert Frost- poet Sigmund Freud- physician Judy Garland- singer, actress Phil Graham- owner of Washington post Ernest Hemingway- writer Kay Redfield Jamison- psychologist, writer Billy Joel- musician Elton John- musician Janis Joplin- musician John Lennon- musician (Beatles) Abraham Lincoln- U.S. President Jack London- writer Courtney Love- musician (Hole) Robert Cowell- peot Michelangelo- artist Marilyn Monroe- actress Adolpne Monticelli- artist Alanis Morissette- musician Mozart- composer Isaac Newton- scientist Sinead O' Conner- musician Ozzy Ozbourne- musician Edgar Allen Poe- poet Joan Rivers- actress, TV. personality Gordon Sumner- musician, composer (Sting) Mark Twain- writer/author Vincent Van Gogh- artist Walt Whitman- poet [COLOR="Navy"] excerpt of my struggle with manic depression Please note that what I am describing is not the mild beneficial hypomania of high performing persons of history who also had this disorder. This mild form of mania existed in a large number of great and creative persons. It was there that one saw the enormous energy of Winston Churchill , Ludwig Van Beethoven, William Blake, Napoleon Bonaparte,, Charles Dickens, T.S. Elliot, Robert Frost, Sigmund Freud, Ernest Hemingway, Abraham Lincoln, Jack London, Robert Cow ell, Michelangelo,, Mozart, Isaac Newton, Edgar Allen Poe, Mark Twain, Vincent Van Gogh, King David, King Saul. To name a very few of the countless great personalities that suffered in different degrees from a milder form of this disorder. I become delusional, begin to hallucinate, sometimes-beautiful visions of other worlds, universes, heaven and see and perceive colors that do not exist on this earth. I feel I was in constant communication every being in existence as I was truly God incarnate. I was convinced I was god. I feel that I am the incarnation of the sublime, wanting to remain in this state forever. I continue to have vivid visions and dreams, so real that I still do not know if I was communicating with some higher intelligence. I can see the future flashing before my eyes in rapid non-stop visions. My eyes dart back and forth, back and forth, become red, and inflamed and terrifying to look into. I am in another reality beyond space and time an alarming altered state of consciousness. No loner feeling glorious, I am becoming more and scared, terrified of this uncontrollable state and everything starts to go out of contra. My body begins to die from the unrelenting drain off energy on it by this completely abnormal state of affairs. I became paranoid fearful, horrified, terrified desperate to escape the horror that has become my tormented mind. Is there a hell? Yes! I have experienced it already on this earth. Any comments people?[/COLOR] |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by detheridge on Jul 27th, 2010 at 9:24am
Hi Alan,
my sympathies for your condition, and not having experienced anything like this I cannot even guess what you are experiencing. My feeling is that somehow you may be open to everything that is going on on all levels -what Bob Monroe labelled 'M band noise'. You're aware of it (the uncontrolled thoughts -and psychic energy?- of the entire population) plus you've probably linked into everything that is, and possibly could be? I would regard your visions as not necessarily delusions, but that you're tapping into other realities all at the same time, and it's this lack of filtering that's simply overloading you on every level. So you get the direct link to your total self (hence the feeling that you are one with everything and the visions of heaven) and all the dodgy BSTs surrounding the planet AT THE SAME TIME. I wonder how many other people regarded as mentally ill are nothing of the kind, but simply too open to function effectively in this ELS and are picking up dimensions that established medicine can't even guess at, let alone acknowledge the reality of. Needless to say, all the above is speculation on my part as I don't really 'know' as such; but it seems reasonable to me. Anyone else here have any ideas or information to help Alan? Best wishes, and I hope you find a solution to bring your perceptions under conscious control. David. :) |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Jul 27th, 2010 at 9:40am detheridge wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 9:24am:
You are absolutely right, in more fundamental cultures the so call crazy one is also the wise man of the tribe.My illness opened a doorway into the spiritual realms both good and bad. I became and still am very very psychic and I have used my pain in helping other people as far as I can If you have followed some of my posts you will see that I am speaking the truth about myself Alan |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Ralph Buskey on Jul 30th, 2010 at 12:14am
Greetings Alan.
Back in the 1980's I experimented with many drugs, like LSD, methamphetamine, cocaine, marijuana, etc. I never had a very bad experience while doing them, but eventually developed a paranoid mind where I thought every car behind me was following me, or space aliens were disguised as certain people planning on taking over the world. I kind of created a manic/depressive condition artificially so I can relate a little. I've had trips where I thought I accidentally destroyed the world with my mind and felt very sad for doing so. I found my consciousness somewhere in the total blackness of space where I was the only one left. When the delusions finally ended, I was greatly relieved that the world wasn't affected one little bit. Ralph |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by chrwe on Jul 30th, 2010 at 1:41am
Hello Alan,
if you suffer from this a lot and if you would like a "time-out" from visions etc., you can always take neuroleptic medication. I am told it helps a lot (I know a few people suffering from the issue). This is no long-term solution, though, since neuroleptics have bad long-term effects. But I believe it may be something for a little break :). Have you ever thought about it? Btw, I have also thought at times that the people "suffering" from this just are not 100% connected to the physical world and that this is a problem for this physical life. Christiane |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Jul 30th, 2010 at 1:46am Ralph Buskey wrote on Jul 30th, 2010 at 12:14am:
Some drugs mimic exactly the manic state of manic depression, because both cause a huge in certain neurotransmitters such a dopamine and serotonin Alan |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by heisenberg69 on Jul 30th, 2010 at 8:55am
In a similar vein my wife works with people, usually diagnosed as schizophrenics, who hear voices and sometimes see people others don't. I wonder how many of those are simply untrained/uncontrolled natural mediums tuning into 'stuck' deceased people?
Dave :-/ |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Beau on Jul 30th, 2010 at 9:49am
Thanks for the list Alan. You can probably add Declan McManus (Elvis Costello) to that list as well. It's interesting that when I am in a manic state I feel very strong connections to many of the people you list here. I've have never truly understood it, unless there is some kind of psychic connection that happens in that realm. I feel as though they are trying guide me to some kind of understanding. Well, it really defies description, but seeing some of those names made a lot sense to me.
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Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by recoverer on Jul 30th, 2010 at 1:26pm
I believe it is possible to be a person who has supernatural experiences and hallucinations.
The key is the conclusions a person comes to. For the most part is he (or she) able to categorize what he experiences in a rational way, or does he come up with conclusions that don't represent how things are? The more balanced he becomes, the less likely he is to experience hallucinations. I don't know what bipolar disorder is about, but I believe we need to be careful when it comes to what condition we have and how we define ourself. It seems as if some conditions came to be when drug companies tried to find a way to market a new drug. In many cases there has got to be a more holistic approach that doesn't involve the greed of a drug producing corporation. |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Jul 30th, 2010 at 10:09pm Beau wrote on Jul 30th, 2010 at 9:49am:
Beau how glad am I to see you back in the forum after a brief absence I know your deep spirituality has come about, by your suffering as a bipolar disorder person Beau did you at times during a deep manic state feel your consciousness merged and became as one with the godhead? Blessings and light Alan |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Beau on Jul 31st, 2010 at 9:09am
It doesn't even have to be a DEEP manic state to feel that way for me, Alan, but left untreated it eventually leads to a rather extreme paranoia. I usually feel a connection except when I'm very depressed.
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Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 1st, 2010 at 1:05am Beau wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 9:09am:
Beau, I have gone into such an extreme state of mania that I felt I was a real part of the God head. By the way Beau, did you get a chance to read my somewhat lengthy essay about my long struggle with bipolar disorder? |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Beau on Aug 1st, 2010 at 9:21am
yes alan, I read it a few months ago and I sent you a response via PM. I guess it slipped through the cracks.
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Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Jean on Aug 1st, 2010 at 3:22pm
Hi Guys,
After a lifetime of reading self help books on mental illness related issues as well as other areas of interest, I discovered the Monroe and Moen material in the 90's and found it filled in a lot of gaps for me regarding altered consciousness, OBE's, non-physical existence and mental health. 2004 got degree in social work at 60 yrs. to practice as a case manager in the field of mental health treating dual dx clients with mental health and substance abuse issues. Meanwhile joined AK site in 2004 and became active January 2005. By May 2006 was placed in morphine coma and experienced hallucinations among other symptoms related to the coma during the experience and reentry onto this crazy plane once again. Before and increasingly more so since the coma, I became obsessed with the notion that there is no such thing as mental illness per say except for the label to expedite insurance coverage of care and prescriptions without regard for the health issue being connected to spirituality crisis, belief systems crashes, early trauma, past life crisis, or generally stemming from none physical sources. In working with my clients, all beautiful people doing the best they can under the circumstances, I always theorized/suspected that it was a lack of filter issue as opposed to some mystical biological cause at the real source. I recently discovered a movement out of the UK broadening the field of hearing voices to all possible reasons beyond the old physically based one and labels of schizophrenia. I tracked down a support group in Madison WI that also working with those who hear voices. Refer to Intervoice: www.intervoiceonline.org/about in the UK or Google: The Mental Health Center of Dane County, Inc. and print out their newsletter. Vol 2. Issue 4, March 2005 Then I came across Bruce's response to heisenberg69 on Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:57am regarding multiple personalities. He is using a method of retrieval of aspect of self by calling in a helper to access old unresolved issues for the individual with multiple personality issues. I suspect that there is an overlapse between the dx of multiple personality issues, schizophrenia, manic depressive, and other such disorders. I find it interesting that we were not allowed, in the community mental health organization to treat individuals with the dx of multiple personality disorder and that many who suffered from schizophrenic sxs could not openly admit to hearing voice due to the stigma attached. I was really blow away by listening to Monroe on my most recent newsletter from the institute especially when he reported how many individuals he had in his disc group which would explain why the personalities of someone experiencing delusions/hallucinations seemed so developed and real. Catch it on the Wednesday night chats with Bob Monroe on U-tube, probably of the link for Monroe on the 2nd page of this site if you don't subscribe to the newsletter. I'm also interested in art and the subconscious and found the paintings of Louis Wain, since I acquired a blue eyed Turkish Angora cat, again and would like to tie his work in with fractals and drugs as opposed to schizophrenia coming out of nowhere. Just my way of trying to figure, what is mental illness? And why do we stigmatize each other rather than say, Wow, that's an interesting point of view! Thanks again for the opportunity, Alan, David, Beau, and the rest. Jean :-* |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Lucy on Aug 2nd, 2010 at 2:33am Quote:
I don't really know what people mean when they say things like that. i don't think the ego can truly feel like God because by definition it is separate from God. i assume "god" is a different level of experience, one beyond human comprehension. Like, I don't think even a disc can feel like god. of course, if this is an illusion, then I can move by reasoning to saying that the whole thing is an illusion, something nobody wants to do, whether they are the creative types or not. We don't want to admit that the whole thing (world) we have created is an illusion. |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 2nd, 2010 at 4:13am
Hi Lucy,
I felt as if I were God, knowing all the time I was tiny mortal Alan Blessings and light Alan |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 3:28am Beau wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 9:21am:
HI Dear Beau, It seems the two of us is in good company look at the list below http://www.mental-health-today.com/bp/famous_people.htm Famous People with Bipolar Disorder Much of this list was obtained from the Internet. Actors & Actresses Ned Beatty Maurice Bernard, soap opera Jeremy Brett Jim Carey Lisa Nicole Carson Rosemary Clooney, singer Lindsay Crosby Eric Douglas Robert Downey Jr. Patty Duke Carrie Fisher Connie Francis, singer and actress Shecky Greene, comedian Linda Hamilton Moss Hart, actor, director, playright Mariette Hartley Margot Kidder Vivien Leigh Kevin McDonald, comedian Kristy McNichols Burgess Meredith, actor, director Spike Milligan, actor, writer Spike Mulligan, comic actor and writer Nicola Pagett Ben Stiller, actor, director, writer David Strickland Lili Taylor Tracy Ullman Jean-Claude Van Damme Robin Williams Jonathon Winters, comedian Artists Alvin Alley, dancer, choreogapher Ludwig Von Beethoven Tim Burton, artist, director Francis Ford Coppola, director George Fredrick Handel, composer Bill Lichtenstein, producer Joshua Logan, broadway director, producer Vincent Van Gogh, painter Gustav Mahier, composer Francesco Scavullo, artist, photographer Robert Schumann, composer Don Simpson, movie producer Norman Wexler, screenwriter, playwright Entrepreneurs Robert Campeau Pierre Peladeau Heinz C. Prechter Ted Turner, media giant Financiers John Mulheren Murray Pezim Miscellaneous Buzz Aldrin, astronaut Clifford Beers, humanitarian Garnet Coleman, legislator (Texas) Larry Flynt, publisher and activist Kit Gingrich, Newt's mom Phil Graham, owner of Washington Post Peter Gregg, team owner and manager, race car driver Susan Panico (Susan Dime-Meenan), business executive Sol Wachtier, former New York State Chief Judge Musicians Ludwig van Beethoven, composer Alohe Jean Burke, musician, vocalist Rosemary Clooney, singer DMX Earl Simmons, rapper and actor Ray Davies Lenny Dee Gaetano Donizetti, opera singer Peter Gabriel Jimi Hendrix Kristen Hersh (Throwing Muses) Phyllis Hyman Jack Irons Daniel Johnston Otto Klemperer, musician, conductor Oscar Levant, pianist, composer, television Phil Ochs, musician, political activist, poet John Ogden, composer, musician Jaco Pastorius Charley Pride Mac Rebennack (Dr. John) Jeannie C. Riley Alys Robi, vocalist in Canada Axl Rose Nick Traina Del Shannon Phil Spector, musician and producer Sting, Gordon Sumner, musician, composer Tom Waits, musician, composer Brian Wilson, musician, composer, arranger Townes Van Zandt, musician, composer Poets John Berryman C.E. Chaffin, writer, poet Hart Crane Randall Jarrell Jane Kenyon Robert Lowell Sylvia Plath Robert Schumann Delmore Schwartz Political Robert Boorstin, special assistant to President Clinton L. Brent Bozell, political scientist, attorney, writer Bob Bullock, ex secretary of state, state comptroller and lieutenant governer Winston Churchill Kitty Dukasis, former First Lady of Massachusetts Thomas Eagleton, lawyer, former U.S. Senator Lynne Rivers, U.S. Congress Theodore Roosevelt, President of the United States Scholars John Strugnell, biblical scholar Scientists Karl Paul Link, chemist Dimitri Mihalas Sports Shelley Beattie, bodybuilding, sailing John Daly, golf Muffin Spencer-Devlin, pro golf Ilie Nastase, tennis Jimmy Piersail, baseball player, Boston Red Sox, sports announcer Barret Robbins, football Wyatt Sexton, football Alonzo Spellman, football Darryl Strawberry, baseball Dimitrius Underwood, football Luther Wright, basketball Bert Yancey, athlete TV & Radio Dick Cavett Jay Marvin, radio, writer Jane Pauley Writers Louis Althusser, philosopher, writer Honors de Balzac Art Buchwald, writer, humorist Neal Cassady Patricia Cornwell Margot Early Kaye Gibbons Johann Goethe Graham Greene Abbie Hoffman, writer, political activist Kay Redfield Jamison, writer, psychologist Peter Nolan Lawrence Frances Lear, writer, editor, women's rights activist Rika Lesser, writer, translator Kate Millet Robert Munsch Margo Orum Edgar Allen Poe Theodore Roethke Lori Schiller, writer, educator Frances Sherwood Scott Simmie, writer, journalist August Strindberg Mark Twain Joseph Vasquez, writer, movie director Mark Vonnegut, doctor, writer Sol Wachtler, writer, judge Mary Jane Ward Virginia Woolf |
Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Beau on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 11:22am
yes, many of these are the lucky ones who have managed to do something substantial in spite of their affliction. I, however, never have enough time in my "brilliant" state to really get anywhere and when I'm depressed I can't see the good in anything I ever did, but it is encouraging to see that some people are able to work past bipolar and contribute.
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Title: Re: The Brilliant madness! Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 5:40pm Beau wrote on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 11:22am:
Hi Beau, I Went to the PM and read your nice response to my testimony of my struggle with manic depression Alan |
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