Its a predator world, only the stongest survive. Right and wrong only exist in the mind of the observer. You die becuase your weak, you live so the species survives. Logic suggests survival of the fittest. There is no punishment for killing the weakest

ARE YOU NUTS?

No, but if I kill you for trying to eat my deer I just killed for dinner. Am I evil ?

There are no pacts between lion and men, you die because of weakness. Honor is a myth. Welcome to the suck

o....k....

You disagree supermodel how so?

There will be no challenge. Live to die

no disagreement or agreement....

Well thats no fun

sorry :(

well george

guess George has gone to bed

I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as they get older; then it dawned on me - they're cramming for their final exam.

Life is all about fighting, you die out of weakness. Its a cycle.  So were is the evil ?
I am evil because I killed you first?
A male lion will kill a females pups so he can reproduce, is he a demon ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKoghRXzbYw&feature=related

seriously, ur dead cuz you suck hope you like your virgins

Live for today, but do it with LOVE.

signed, laughing Buddha

B2 witty . But no explanation

LOVE needs no explanation. It is REAL.

signed, laughing Buddha

Love
So Love is your solution to life ?

Thats what i THOUGHT aint no one on here gotta real fight

Wouldn't you rather...go have an ice cream?

Oh, I meant an "I Scream"....

Just kidding.

signed, laughing Buddha

Hey Charley, what's to fight about?  You can continue living your hate-filled/hateful, power obsessed life and end up where you belong.  I don't think any of the regulars on this board are inclined to grapple in the muck with you.  I'm sure you can find some who will elsewhere.

I C. Im full of hate for killing the weakest link?
The weakest loses in this game, there are no rules. So who really is the loser

Yawn.....Sorry, Charlie. Time for a nap.

signed, laughing Buddha

No logical response. Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

C. Tuna,

While it is true that many life forms struggle in a dog-eat-dog fight for survival human beings have this unique ability to recognize certain values and emotions which transcend the mindless violence which you so greedily espouse.

The problem with your kill or be killed philosophy is that like begets like in the physical world.  And so, if your consciousness can't understand the nature of love, compassion and kindness, then you have chosen your path; hate, violence and destruction.  The law of attraction is one of the most basic ideas out there.  You reap what you sow.  The golden rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  From childhood, we are meant to experience this simple law, yet you obviously never learned the lesson.

You receive what you send out.  Like attracts like.  So yes, you want to act like an animal, who can not use his/her perception to transcend the death cycle, then you will be treated like one.  Just understand, that this is something you, Charley Tuna willingly impose upon yourself.

When you act lovingly to others, when you act out of charity, and with compassion, then you set yourself on a different path. And the same is bound to come back to you.  Not immediately, but surely.  Many examples exist of this law in the real world.  We are all meant to gradually experience it and understand it.  For those who do, they tend to reach a level of love and peace.  That is not to say that they don't experience loss and tragedy; but in my experience they experience far less, and these negative episodes pass quickly.  For those who dwell on exercising their own power over others, they reap what they sow, and are miserable, never achieving real happiness.

You are where your thoughts take you.  And no one on this forum wants to follow you into your own level of hell.

Matthew

Oh no, better go take another nap! Every time I wake up someone wants more of my money!

And I always have everything I need!

signed, laughing Buddha

Pat E. wrote on Jul 17^th, 2010 at 2:26am:

Hey Charley, what's to fight about?  You can continue living your hate-filled/hateful, power obsessed life and end up where you belong.  I don't think any of the regulars on this board are inclined to grapple in the muck with you.  I'm sure you can find some who will elsewhere.

THIS ALL DAY LONG

I always wondered about people with brain damage or under medication that makes them aggressive or unable to judge ethics correctly. Is this a special trial for them, so they find their way back to a loving life even through this great hurdle (it can be done - you can learn how to treat other people well without feeling the proper emotions) or is it just tough luck?

It is possible, btw, I have experienced my very self how certain chemical imbalances suddenly makes you a different person - emotionally (mentally I was still the same, at least so I think).

At Charley: I think there is a reason that most people have come to the conclusion that living the darwinistic life is neither in your own best interest nor in the best interest of humanity as a whole. Even many atheists - humanists - believe so. What is "strong"? What is "weak"? A physically strong person may well be the emotionally and/or intellectually weakest. It would certainly not be in the best interest if they ruled unchallenged and throughout evolution, we have found a way (law, order etc.) to deal with those who insist on taking what they want - in the best interest of the group as a whole.

I don't know if Charlie's philosophically inclined or not but the viewpoint he's putting forward was the basis of Nietzsche's thinking with his critique of the 'weakness' of Christianity. He pushed the idea the idea of the 'Übermensch' or supermen rising above others to rule them. His ideas were a major influence on Hitler and latterly Satanists such as Anton LaVey. Basically morality and compassion are for losers.. winners ('supermen') rise above that and take what they want, ethics are for the 'weak'.

One problem with this ( aside from the general human misery it can bring e.g the desolation of Europe after WWII) is that it is based on the idea that this material world is all that there is, this life is the only one. To put it mildly ( as members of this board know)   evidence points to the contrary....

Picking up on Chrwe's point about chemical imbalance I would also add trauma. Childhood traumas or later ones such as battlefield/conflict trauma can quickly lead one to believe that its a 'dog eat dog' world out there. Addressing trauma requires patience and love. As an aside a good friend of mine recommends Eye movement desensitisation and reprocessing (EMDR) therapy as a powerful tool for treating trauma.

Dave

p.s Chrwe- rather than even humanists realising that Darwianism is not an ethical solution I would say especially so !  :)

Hi

Chrwe said "I always wondered about people
with brain damage or under medication that
makes them aggressive..."

I do too, chrwe.  Do they have to revv up their willpower to compensate for their loss, and then not notice that their aggression has increased?

This entire thread is, oddly :-? ,  one of my favorites now. It makes me very happy to be a member of this community!

Bets

I seem to remember the little Lion King asking his father, "Gee, Dad, don't the big animals eat the little animals?" and his father then sang to him "It's the Circle of Life...".....

Yup, life is a circle. Even men of peace must sometimes go to war, it seems. Life is a paradox, not absolute.... This is how we define who we think we really are, no?

No. Don't kill whoever you want, in my humble opinion. Even if karma does not exist, do you really need to be told what is the proper action here?

Thomas

Took a short walk by the sea today to soak up some sun and to get the smells of the warmed up ground, just to have some uncomplicated enjoyment. Sat down and watched a bird couple fend off bigger birds, some interested in their nest, some just flying by. They did deliver their message without pecking their heads off. Maybe they'd be fiercer if some of the intruders didn't give up, but it didn't come to that while sitting there.

One of the examples here is to kill someone for eating the food you killed. I'll leave the killing for food out of this. If there wasn't a sense of right and wrong, there'd be no killing over eating your food. But what's the point in opening a can with an atom bomb? Breaking the arm of one's child for stealing candy from the cupboard? Very poor sense of proportion/balance. Now, that's logical. No bearded man in the sky needed for that, nor an excellent george carlin quote. I remember observing some children while working in a kindergarden, pinching and smacking each other. They seemed to switch turns during a period of time, and got the emotional impact of being the receiver. Obviously felt wrong, and after a while they stopped taking each other's toys, playing by themselves, with others or together. Things get more complicated as grown up whomans, but probably still a little bit of repetition going on similar to those experiences as children.

I did leave the military draft after three days when younger, despising every minute of it. Still would have found a way out, or even refused. Though not a soldier, the only justification I can find to kill another dude or dudette is self defense, when they have the intent to kill. But self defense certainly isn't about chopping your bosses head off for not paying you a thousand dollars for one hour of sleep at work.

CharleyTuna wrote on Jul 16^th, 2010 at 11:52pm:

Its a predator world, only the stongest survive. Right and wrong only exist in the mind of the observer. You die becuase your weak, you live so the species survives. Logic suggests survival of the fittest. There is no punishment for killing the weakest

Hi Tuna: That is categorically wrong. It is an apparency of the liniear illusion. The truth is very much different than what looks or appears to be obvious... Power will always overcome force.

S.

Dear CharlieTuna,

True RM did state, “It's a preditor world” but he also found his greatest joy in sharing what he learned as an explorer. Also through his books and TMI as well as the list below given him on one of his journeys. Aside from the list being in The Ultimate Journey, it is also included in one of Bruce's books as well as on the Ultimate Journey section of this site from which it was taken. Food for thought for those confused:

There is no beginning, there is no end,
    There is only change.
There is no teacher, there is no student,
   There is only remembering.
There is no good, there is no evil,
   There is only expression.
There is no union, there is no sharing,
   There is only one.
There is no joy, there is no sadness,
   There is only love.
There is no greater, there is no lesser,
   There is only balance.
There is no statis, there is no entropy,
   There is only motion.
There is no wakefulness, there is no sleep,
   There is only being.
There is no limit, there is no chance,
   There is only a plan.

this is a partial rendition of what Monroe left us,
every now and then I think it's good to
reread it because we can forget some of these points.
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Hope this helps-check it out, Jean ;) :-*

I had a close friend and longterm soulmate involved in a violent altercation that dramatically changed his life.  He was left physically damaged and it had been a senseless and awful situation...one I might have accompanied him into.  I asked my guidance if this was something I might one day experience and if so, why.  I was told that 1) it is not in my lifeplan, and as I am following it quite closely through no apparent conscious effort of my own, I need not worry about it, 2) my friend chose not to undergo a wartime experience at any time and you (I) have died twice in war in the last two hundred years, both violently, and 3) you are now beyond desiring the violence and physical destruction available in this human experience...while you could find it if you chose to, have you not noticed that you have sidestepped issues with violent people and they gladly sidestepped dealing with you? 

I have, in fact noticed on a few occasions, that while out with a group of friends, large, intoxicated, and violent people (almost always men, but surprisingly sometimes women!  I will say, as a matter of explanation that I have a group of fraternity brothers who are great college football fans and we do see each other fairly frequently and relive our longpast college days, complete with adolescent level imbibation and repartee) have looked straight at me and moved on to the next guy...oddly, in so doing, their momentum seems to diminish and their best front is often reduced and they find something else to do...I almost feel like Obi Wan Kenobi saying "You don't want to deal with us...you want to have another beer and pass out in the corner..."  It seems to be what happens! 

As DocM stated, we do indeed get what we think of and choose...like cannot but attract like.  If you spend time thinking of negative things you will indeed get them...likewise if you intend to have good things, good times and wonderful relationships you will find those as well.  This lifetime is a wonderful opportunity to choose, to create the world in which you will live...think and create a wonderful life for yourself and your loved ones and you will get it...it works.  Killing anything or anyone is not anything I want to think about and thus it will not be a part of my direct experience.  I'm a lover not a fighter...I think I'll stick with that and never have to worry about the survival of the fittest...it just hasn't been and won't be a part of my reality.

Hi usetawuz,

Why us it that the most upset of us brings out the best of us at times of need???

__Like your response and Sera ...1,Volu, tecke's,bets, heie, chewe, super.., doc M.....

So many want to help, reassure, and share.

Now that's what I call PUL.

Jean 

I, too, appreciate the wonderful array of thoughtful comments in response to the original posit.  I think my post was more of a redirect than a refutation..."I've lived this...that is something I will not live...make your own choice, and the choice is yours."  Comments that are hard and fast, negative and angry do not hold water for me, so I provide an alternative.

love and light...   

usetawuz,

The tips you received from your Guidance regarding pervious or alternative personalities reminds me of my own speculations.

Since I was a teen and my mom got Bridee Murphy as soon as it came out in the 1960's, reincarnation was the only thing that ever made sense to me.

Whether it's our true experience or not is besides the point but it's a great concept to play around with.

I tell my sons to look at the general patterns in their own lives and those of their extended family to see the issues that they're currently dealing with or conversely observe the ones they're  not. Examples of our family might be: No major health issues or physical handicaps, early deaths of some parents, living in fairly safe areas, no murders (yet)--you get the idea. 

It's sort of a distancing exercise that you've also been playing around with. Love it!!!

Jean

Gean,im with you,I think reincarnation is the only thing that makes sense,I have had a lot of experiences with it.children at the age of 3 years,tell stories of another lifetime,mothers should lission to them,you might be surprised.George

CharleyTuna wrote on Jul 17^th, 2010 at 3:22am:

No logical response. Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

Hi Charley,
here you've provided a brilliant encapsulation of everything wrong with established religions. Good stuff!
They're still peddling the 'do as we say or else' stuff.
Un/fortunately (depending on your point of view) an increasing number of folks are rejecting this ELS BS (belief system, not the other acronym) which is why fundamentalists of any religious persuasion can bleat as much as they like about obeisance or retribution or one particular religion ruling the world, but it will never happen.
I state this because just maybe some of your predator world views could have their origins in a 'kill the unbelievers' mental stance. Or I may be wrong (naturally!)

But you say that right and wrong exist only in the mind of the observer. Not necessarily. Your mention of the old git of religions watching every move we make, and matching it against the ten things we shouldn't do is only the beginning. Actually the old testament is full of the most insane instructions by today's standards, but that's something else again.
I'd like to suggest to you that at the end of your life it will be YOU that will judge yourself, and you'll realise that there are essential judgements that are above moralistic fashion. In other words, you will know what you did right and wrong in a purely spiritual sense when you review your life.

'you die because you're weak'?
No, you die for many reasons: it's in your life plan to experience something, or you simply die because you've had enough of this one and completed what you came here to do/experience.
This is not a sign of weakness.
'There is no punishment for killing the weakest'?

How do you know? Perhaps compassion is a purer form of strength than execution?
You may find that you punish yourself for this after your life review at the end of this incarnation.

Just some things to think over.

Best wishes,
David.
:)

What do we have here?did ted bundy come back from the grave?George

If he did he would have been a completely different person, and just to balance his life as Bundy, he may have/will come back as a rather weedy, ineffectual person  :( :o

Maybe the same thing's already happened to Hitler
(mind you don't tell Alan that, or he'll go off on a rant again?  ;D)

It all balances out in the end.
David.
:)

LOL you all actually took Charley seriously....

You all missed the point. And now Im afraid I must execute you. And I will start with the weakest link !

Oh goody, I get to go back home early........

Dave (aka the weakest link -although my rippling muscles belie the fact  ;D)

CharleyTuna,

"You all missed the point. And now Im afraid I must execute you. And I will start with the weakest link !"

Well, all good things start with yourself. :D - If the point's missed, what's your point?

pedigree wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 7:55am:

[quote author=567D746770796C41607B74150 link=1279338771/0#0 date=1279338771]Its a predator world, only the stongest survive. Right and wrong only exist in the mind of the observer. You die becuase your weak, you live so the species survives. Logic suggests survival of the fittest. There is no punishment for killing the weakest

Monroe said "It is a predator world by design". This was his mis-understanding at the time. It is a predator world because of how humans are by choice (free will), not by design.
By design it's a school that teaches low quality young consciousness how to grow up. We do what we do and we are where we are and  we understand to own own level of understanding..
You show a 4 year old 2nd grade maths and they don't know what it is until they grow up and can understand, they can't be rushed or told  until their ready or old enough. Same goes with the school house we are in and in the way we understand the big picture.
To see and feels ones own reaction to a question such as this is a test of ones understanding and ego. This is what one does constantly when in the process of growing up ;-)

You are correct Charley, no doubt it is a preditory world, but there is more to life than predation -survival of the fittest is not the only purpose nor the only law of life.
From the highest stand point, there may well be no crime in killing, perhaps no crime in murder per-se. For the crime is really the wasting of a life, and that may be committed without killing. It may be committed by maiming another, incapacitating or confining them, physically, emotionaly, or mentally. To render someone's life a waste by abusive or confining treatment might even be considered in the eyes of God a worse crime than to kill them, for at least in death they might go on to life beyond, or perhaps return and live again. But we cannot judge because we cannot see the greater picture, nor can we see a soul's life purpose.
But we can know this: That right and wrong is not measured just by what we do, but also by our motive. For it is not just what we do that matters but also why we do it, and the "why" of what we did is what we've really done. Even the laws of state recognise this fact and take into consideration both motive and effect.
Now those of us who are observant can witness that all the universe is cyclic in its operation -the planets and the stars go round in cycles, every machine that has been made turns around in cycles, every system in our bodies, our circulation, nerves and breathing, the weather of our planet, even our personality is cyclic, for who does not think and feel again and then again what they have thought and felt before, and even act again as acted out before, despite their efforts for change, our forward struggle is not a straight line but a spiral. And we with our little but persistent and powerful turning cycles interact with greater cycles, and every little ripple we set up comes around and back to us again. And so we reap the consequences, not just from what we do but also from why we do it. Karma is a multi-layered thing. A good deed done of cunning evil motive will reap its own reward, as will a wrongful deed committed with innocent motive. Necessary killing, done for survival, to provide food, to protect oneself and others, done for a just and rightful reason and with a healthy heart, is understood even by our little human courts with their paper laws. The mighty laws of nature are not paper laws, they are living laws, they have life, intelligence and movement of their own, and agents that are not corruptible. So kill, Charley, if you will, but know your cause, know your motives, and the state of your heart, for on these you will be judged as much as on your deed and on your deed's effect on others. Regardless that you may disbelieve in the law of right and wrong, you will answer for your deeds and for both your motive and effect, both together and apart, you will answer for them, to the law of consequence.    

ok charley,we will kill anybody we wish.starting with You.