This sort of relates to the message Juditha shared the other day.

As some of you might know, I've received messages about unfrienly aliens attacking.

Some sources that seem credible to me have received the same kind of messages.

This morning while receiving messages I was shown an unfriendly looking alien, and he said" "I've been looking forward to this invasion so much."

The other messages I received this morning related to growing in love. I can do so more. It could be that if the love level in this world gets too high, unfriendly aliens won't be able to handle it. Therefore those who care, should do what they can to grow in love as much as they can sooner rather than later.

"This morning while receiving messages I was shown an unfriendly looking alien, and he said" "I've been looking forward to this invasion so much."

Awww, me too. It's nice to meet new people. :) Tanks vs. bongo drums. On a another planet where light polarity was the dominant force the bongo beat would smother the tank. - IF anything, a great time to examine body identification. Transcending the drama such beings would likely crave; just another body without a spirit connection. Allrighty then.

Recoverer, this is not very much to go on, written here. What is an 'unfriendly' looking alien? What I mean is, in what way did it look unfriendly, so that you could 'recognize' that? I'm curious as to whether it was a 'feeling' you had, or whether it was something you 'observed'. If it was something you 'observed', can you describe what was 'unfriendly' about it? Because the words themselves could be taken different ways. Did the alien have a voice? Was its voice unfriendly? Was there something about the way it looked or acted that was menacing? Just curious.

B2:

I don't believe I saw an actual unfriendly being, rather, my spirit guidance sent me a symbolic message.

As best as I could recollect, the alien had yellowish skin with black spots, it's skin might've been lizard like, it had an unpleasant look on it's face, and an unpleasant feeling.

It was drinking water from a plastic bottle (more like a thermos, rather than the bottles bottled water companies use). I'm not certain what this means, some sources say reptilians consume soul energy, so perhaps this was the meaning.

I used to make fun of the reptilian thing, but later found that sources that seem to be credible speak of them.

There was one occasion when I was meditating, and I saw the image of reptilian looking being come at me in a very aggressive manner. I sent it love and didn't  have a problem with it.

John Mack wrote of a few people who had been abducted by reptilian beings, and these people found that when they sent unconditional love to the reptilians, the reptilians couldn't harm them.

Some people doubt things such as NDEs, OBEs and spirit contact, because they haven't had such experiences.

In a similar manner, some people doubt information about earth changes and unfriendly alien beings, until they receive messages about them.

When it comes to a being such as a reptilian having a body, some sources speak as if they aren't limited to physical reality in the way we are.



Volu wrote on Jun 24^th, 2010 at 5:37am:

"This morning while receiving messages I was shown an unfriendly looking alien, and he said" "I've been looking forward to this invasion so much." Awww, me too. It's nice to meet new people. :) Tanks vs. bongo drums. On a another planet where light polarity was the dominant force the bongo beat would smother the tank. - IF anything, a great time to examine body identification. Transcending the drama such beings would likely crave; just another body without a spirit connection. Allrighty then.

If we manage to love them, ultimately they can teach us something I hope.

recoverer,

"Some people doubt things such as NDEs, OBEs and spirit contact, because they haven't had such experiences. In a similar manner, some people doubt information about earth changes and unfriendly alien beings, until they receive messages about them."

I've digged into this and similar matters for the last 9 years, and my conclusion is that life goes on with or without a body. In the case of an invasion I'd go for a tent trip if possible. Food would only last for a while, and so the story goes. Meeting a dark polarity alien I'd hope to at least flip the finger before the body's arms-in-the-air survival mode kicked in. The finger beats "here, kitty kitty!".  :) Love, love, love, said the prisoner to the nazi as the journey as smoke through a chimney was about to commence. Love conquers all? I'm sure the view must be nice down the hole in the ground. Certainly takes the edge off being on this planet. :)

When I look around, it seems the Reptilians are already here. Greed and violence aren't something new.

Spooky

   In essence i agree with Recoverer, and my experience is similar in the sense that i originally was skeptical of a specifically unfriendly "Reptilian" E.T. group.  I was fairly sure there were non PUL attuned groups involved with here, but probably because of my non resonation with authors like David Icke and my sensing of half truths in these works, i didn't buy the Reptilian part as if almost that part was discredited to me from coming from a source that seemed rather non credible for the most part (something to think about perhaps?). 

That was until my wife and i started to get more direct guidance about it. 

  Awhile ago, before any talk of Reptilians between us, she had a dream wherein she saw that her mother was being psychically influenced by the Reptilian E.T. group. 

  Her Mom is a rather unbalanced, unhappy, and extremely emotionally subjective personality.  She is now a hard core religious extremist, and thinks everyone else but her and her faith are going to hell, etc. 

  She came to "religion" after a having an affair with a married man and having his child and giving the child away.   Religion became her ego crutch and coping mechanism. 

  Anyways, the guidance that my wife and i have gotten about this negatively intentioned E.T. group is that yes there is going to be an invasion, but in the direct, physical sense it won't be till much later (our guidance is similar to the guidance info that Rosiland McKnight got about this future probability, and i find her work to be VERY credible). 

But that's speaking in the direct and literal physical sense of out and out war and physical aggression and destruction. 

  What i think that Recoverer is not understanding about his messages is that there is right now an invasion and has been for awhile really. 

This invasion is psychological and spiritual-energetic oriented, and Becky's dream about her mother being psychically influenced mentally and emotionally by this group is a good example of that.  Her mom was listening to them instead of to Source and her Total self.

If people let themselves become open to their influence by a sufficient lack of self and other PUUL, by extreme body imbalances, etc. then they become potential candidates for being influenced by this group and their strong mental psychic capacity.  This group has much better conscious manipulation of the M band field than do most in physical humans.

  But, if a person keeps well balanced, physically healthy and most importantly-- well attuned to self and other PUUL, then they can do nothing to a human in that direct energetic manipulation sense. 

What they WILL do however, is to focus on those receptive, more easily influenced humans near that the human they can't influence, and send thoughts and feelings of dislike, intolerance, and harm to that human about the other, hoping that the influenced human will act in those manners to that human. 

For myself, i've found that it helps to more specifically call on and for the help of powerfully PUUL attuned Guidance forces.  More specifically, that Being which has been called in the past the ArchAngel Michael is particularly adept at helping to shield and protect people from these kinds of influences. 

"Michael" is an extremely powerful Being, which has a lot of Yang energy in it, It can repel any negative or lacking in light dynamic, but like most things in this area one often needs to specifically ask for Its help.

I suspect that the Co-Creator is allowing all of this for a couple of different reasons, one It respects the freewill of all Sources children, and by the negative use of our collective freewill we have attracted these hindering influences to us.  Hence, self (both as a collective and individual) must always meet self for like attracts and begets like automatically.  It's a growing up and maturing lesson of challenge.

Two, perhaps the Co-Creator, because He loves his wayward Reptilian children as much as He loves us, hopes that maybe these Reptilians will be eventually positively affected by it's interactions with humanity and our eventual showing of both bravery and a more collective PUUL attunement when faced with this danger in the near future. 

For surely, these are some of the lost sheep of His fold that He would be ecstatic to have come back--for this particular group has long been extremely and collectively wayward.

  So, until this future date in a few hundred years or so, there will continue to be an "invasion", but a more subtle, indirect, and underhanded psychological and spiritual-energetic kind.  But in reality, it is still harmful and still causing a lot of humans and human civilization problems. 

Meanwhile, the Co Creator and the Galactic "Federation" of E.T. groups will not allow direct, physical invasion yet because we are not strong and ready enough to face this in this manner.  We would be slaughtered and enslaved, for technology and psychically wise we have no chance against them in a purely physical sense. 

Hence, they are kept at a distance and only allowed to interact in less directly physical ways. 

  When we have developed our technology sufficiently enough, and become unified and PUUL attuned enough as a collective species, THEN will our hands be let go of and we will have to face this karmic attraction directly and physically.

  Think of it this way.  There is a youngish, smallish child out on the play ground at recess.  This youngish child is a bit of an arrogant braggart, and calls other children and the Teachers names, and generally just doesn't behave too kindly or considerately to all around it.  A real brat who gets itself into all kinds of trouble constantly.

  A larger and older Bully type, eventually sees this younger, smaller child.  The larger bully would love to beat up on this smaller, weaker kid, but because the kid is younger and so much smaller than the bully, the Teachers won't allow it and vigilantly keep an eye on the larger, stronger bully. 

But the Teachers know that eventually this smaller braggart will have to face this bigger bully, in order to learn some hard lessons and grow up some more.

But the Teachers won't allow until the child is big and strong enough to have a chance to directly fight the bigger and smarter bully.  If allowed now, the big bully would pulverize and do critical damage to the younger brat--perhaps even killing him. 

  The latter is too extreme and absolute.  Meanwhile spiritual Guidance forces motivated by PUUL are very active in acting as a counter balance to all the more indirect and energetic invasion techniques that the Reptilians use, but unfortunately they can't always help much because the humans in question block this help and don't listen to what they need to do to help themselves. 

  It's even a bit frustrating and a stress filled process for these Guidance energies, and they are very much also "in the trench" trying to fight this war.  They are not passive and anything goes about this.

It's very important to them that they help us cope with this hindering influence. 

Some of the highest, most PUUL attuned levels of Guidance have started to send in their "brigade" and front runners to incarnate as humans to act more directly and physically as guidance in order to counter act this on going invasion.

  People like Recoverer and many others.  Yet it's always the real helpers that humanity won't listen to and throws stones at.  We love and tend to listen most to the false and full of half truth teachers, for these resonate with our stuck ego aspects much more.   And like always attracts, begets, perceives, and likes like. 

   Albert is a prophet unto like the Baptist and who has come before you with messages from the most expanded, Source attuned Consciousnesses and it would be wise to at least more seriously consider his words and to directly seek guidance on whether or not there is greater truth to them.

I had a dream awhile ago with Bruce Moen in it, we were at the same party or social function.  Bruce very seriously and intently told me, go find John, he is more intune that i.  For specific, personal reasons, i have come to believe that Albert is quite likely this "John" that Bruce told me of in the dream.


 

Justin,

"Hence, they are kept at a distance and only allowed to interact in less directly physical ways. When we have developed our technology sufficiently enough, and become unified and PUUL attuned enough as a collective species, THEN will our hands be let go of and we will have to face this karmic attraction directly and physically."

Sounds like a scenario where we'd have popemobiles with bulletproof-glass where we could sit and spin thumbs while lacking trust in our discs. Sometimes sooner, sometimes later, there will come a time where one will have to deal with letting go of the physical, whether it be an invasion, being taxed to death or being embraced by water.

"Albert is a prophet unto like the Baptist and who has come before you with messages from the most expanded, Source attuned Consciousnesses and it would be wise to at least more seriously consider his words and to directly seek guidance on whether or not there is greater truth to them."

Wow, a prophet from the most expanded Source attuned Consciousnesses, and I forgot to bow.. holy shit! :)

Don't worry Volu, I would never expect anybody to bow to me,  :) the thought of their doing so is repulsive to me. Each of us is a piece of a jigsaw puzzle that is going to eventually add up to something quite wondeful and remarkable. I doubt that Jesus wanted people to bow to him, despite what some people claim.

Regarding when beings such as reptilians attack, I can't say when exactly they will. With the sentiment nothing is etched in stone, perhaps they can be prevented from doing so if us humans evolve enough.

I agree with Justin in that I believe unfriendly alien influences are already effecting things. Robert Monroe wrote about unfriendly non-human influences that have been influencing people in this world for some time. 

A few sources that seem credible to me, have stated that human looking clones that were created by unfriendly aliens are interacting with this world at this time.

The other day I received a message in the form of a short waking dream that seemed to state that this is so.

The next day I had a short waking dream which stated that friendly alien beings are working on fixing things.

When I received these messages I was in contact with a being that had feelings of love, deep peace, expansiveness and divinity.

Recoverer,

"Don't worry Volu, I would never expect anybody to bow to me, :) the thought of their doing so is repulsive to me. Each of us is a piece of a jigsaw puzzle that is going to eventually add up to something quite wondeful and remarkable. I doubt that Jesus wanted people to bow to him, despite what some people claim."

Hehehehe. Good reply. :) I'm not into jesus, but so be it.

"Regarding when beings such as reptilians attack, I can't say when exactly they will. With the sentiment nothing is etched in stone, perhaps they can be prevented from doing so if us humans evolve enough. I agree with Justin in that I believe unfriendly alien influences are already effecting things. Robert Monroe wrote about unfriendly non-human influences that have been influencing people in this world for some time." 

First read about reptilians years ago in a piece about remote viewing to my surprise, and have examined it since. Nowadays I'm trying figure out if the personal focus levels of imagination have influenced my exploration of "higher" focus levels. Still not sure, but haven't ruled out other influences yet.

"A few sources that seem credible to me, have stated that human looking clones that were created by unfriendly aliens are interacting with this world at this time."

I have another word for the "clones" but won't go into that. I'm not particularly fond of, nor unfond of really, it is what it is; bodies with tiny, sparkless eyes.

"The other day I received a message in the form of a short waking dream that seemed to state that this is so. The next day I had a short waking dream which stated that friendly alien beings are working on fixing things. When I received these messages I was in contact with a being that had feelings of love, deep peace, expansiveness and divinity."

While it'd be very interesting to speak and share stories with friendly aliens, I'd like to get to know the friendliness before doing so.

Volu said: "While it'd be very interesting to speak and share stories with friendly aliens, I'd like to get to know the friendliness before doing so."

Recoverer responds: "Regarding the friendliness of the beings I communicate with, I go by the feelings I mentioned earlier, the information they pass on, and how helpful growth oriented advice has been.

When unfriendly beings have tried to communicate with me, their energy felt very hostile, aggressive and immediate, and they didn't have anything worthwhile to say."

"Regarding the friendliness of the beings I communicate with, I go by the feelings I mentioned earlier, the information they pass on, and how helpful growth oriented advice has been."

'The road to hell is paved with good intentions', and the gist of the saying not in a literary sense, applies to all I guess. My info is that my disc has been there, done that with "alien" incarnations and has taken a more diverse/simultaneous path/challenge. Not etched in stone either, but that's the now of it anyways.

  I should have been more clear in my last reply here.  Re: what i said about Albert--these are only my personal beliefs and perceptions and do not necessarily reflect what Albert believes or doesn't believe about himself.   From a more material, personality perspective, it's probably even a bit inconsiderate of me to put him on the spot like that without his prior permission or even giving him a heads up, and yet, i felt moved to say what i said and i believe it was more of a guidance message itself.

Also, there is a very big difference and important distinction between saying that a person is receiving messages and sharing messages from the most expanded, Source attuned levels of consciousness (hence is a messenger or a "prophet" in more ancient terms) and saying that a person IS-- is being a personified example & incarnation of such levels of consciousness. 

   It's like comparing the Baptist or the other John--John the Beloved, to Yeshua.    One is the messenger and prepares the way for the latter.

  Or in more modern, more comfortable terms for most here, it's like comparing the difference between Bruce Moen and the "Planning Intelligence" he communicated with and relayed messages from.   Bruce would be the messenger, and the Planning Intelligence would be one of those most expanded and Source attuned Consciousness he received and relayed messages from.   

I believe anyone can become such a messenger, but certain blocks and limitations need to be first removed in order for this to happen in the more conscious and helpful sense.  Albert, or so i perceive, is one who has worked a lot on this process and for a long time, both speaking of his singular life and personality as "Albert", and also in a more Whole Disk sense. 

  Anyways, it's all really more about the messages rather than the messengers and most of my previous post was about the message--which is a very important and little talked about one.  Because someone overly focused on the part about the messenger which was more a brief aside than anything, i felt like it might be helpful to go into more detail about the important distinctions between the messenger and that which which one receives messages from. 

  Re: the term "prophet", i realize that the use of this term perhaps may raise the hackles and scorn of those who have good reason to dislike religious dogma and the institutions which created same.  Not being (nor ever having been) religious myself and having gone through my own dislike-antipathy period of same, i can more than understand. (personally, i've come to be much more laid back and more tolerant about this than i was when younger).

However, from a more impersonal perspective, the term prophet really just signifies a messenger of those more purely Source attuned levels of being and awareness. 

  There are many "prophets" in the Hebrew and Christian historical accounts (in also in many other major belief systems), and not one of these messengers ever asked to be bowed to.  They all put the emphasis on Source and giving one's respect, love, awe, etc. to this Creative force and Being--as well as the necessity to live in certain ways.  While many of these gave messages and asked to be listened to, many of them also said that it was important for each individual to go within as well.   

If they had asked for such displays as bowing, etc, they would have been false prophets--prophets e.g. messengers of stuck personality ego aspects.

  I hope this is all more clear.  I believe many on this board have their moments of being "prophets" or rather messengers/guidance receivers if you prefer, and the only difference in calling a person a messenger in the more formal sense, is saying that such a person keeps a more  consistently conscious, stable attunement to such guidance levels and receives many messages.   

Also the difference is seen in the nature of such messages and guidance.   "Prophets" are those who receive and share many messages that are much more universal and collective in nature--messages for and that apply to many people, rather than personal experiences and insights about the person's individual path and issues.

Justin,

"I believe anyone can become such a messenger, but certain blocks and limitations need to be first removed in order for this to happen in the more conscious and helpful sense.  Albert, or so i perceive, is one who has worked a lot on this process and for a long time, both speaking of his singular life and personality as "Albert", and also in a more Whole Disk sense."

Yeah, something IS better than the other thing no matter the light polarity all-is-equal routine. But then again whether an incarnation is considered a crappity smacking (kiddy cencorship) dillhole (cue the muhahaha) or a holy saint (cue the aaaaaaah): all are projected disc characters. The talk about PUL or PUUL gets retarded when it's really about loving each other when holding hands in an easy peacy circle. Sure, I hold an incarnational asshole away at an arm's length, no matter the gender, race or whatever, but then again I don't flash the unconditional banner.

Let's celebrate a new Independence Day. Independence of spiritual progress (or in other, old style words, progress in leading a good life) from any alien stories, stories about archangels, galactic governments and karma police.

Spooky

People can ignore them for as long as...well, not for as long as they like, because aliens and such exist in the manner they exist, regardless of what some people choose not to become aware of.

Ignorance does not equal independence. In fact, perhaps it can someday equal bondage if people choose not to find out what's going on and prepare accordingly.




spooky2 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 9:13pm:

Let's celebrate a new Independence Day. Independence of spiritual progress (or in other, old style words, progress in leading a good life) from any alien stories, stories about archangels, galactic governments and karma police. Spooky

After reading the start of this thread, I was somehow irritated about it. So I thought, why not have a little phasing and see if I get an info about it, so off I went, and felt threatened by some horrible looking entities who clearly wanted to come close to me and grab me. As it wasn't an OBE I was still aware of my physical body and kept cool, and thought: "What does that mean?" And called a guide, and he told me these beings (or images of seeming beings) would want aspects of humans, they want to grab an aspect of a person and tear it apart from the ensemble of the aspects of which this person consists of. This, though, only would be a problem for those who have a very analytical self-view (meaning no real self view), and this self-image, which is consisting of many aspects, is a prey for those forces; but this self-image isn't something really substantial, it is a thought thing. Nevertheless, if one identifies with it, and it is about to be torn apart, it's hellish.

Spooky

Recoverer,

"Ignorance does not equal independence. In fact, perhaps it can someday equal bondage if people choose not to find out what's going on and prepare accordingly."

Having a look around there are all kinds of incarnational levels, which I presume reflects members of a disc. Who's to say all members have the purpose of getting to know such information? Most people I meet are fully enveloped in this system, rarely thinking outside the box, and I presume that's their purpose and see nothing wrong with it, unless they try to drag me into it, and I also presume they have other members with other purposes. What can be done is prepare oneself if inclined and share if people are interested to hear about it. My guess is that few will want to listen, but it's their lives, so isn't that ok?

I've got one very good friend who I said to myself REALLY had to put out some sort of signal in order for me to speak about these matters. The signal came through this friend speaking about material she had come across. I opened up a bit, VERY carefully selecting my words not wanting to cause any fear. The information she came across which barely scratched the surface, initially she was very intrigued by it, but then what she'd found turned into a a shock to her system, accompanied by trembling and anxiety. I recommended she let it go. She's had and are having so many interesting and unique experiences, so why get bogged down in stuff you aren't ready to handle.

Perhaps the 'aliens' are just pulling a prank on you?  ::)

Spooky:

Interesting experience. The way you received information sounds similar to how I receive it at times. That consuming aspect thing, reminds me of the image I described earlier where an unfriendly looking alien drank out of a container with a straw, and it might be consuming soul energy/aspects.

When it comes to aspects and whether or not we identify with them, I figure part of the reason we incarnate into places like this world is so we can gain wisdom. For periods of time we get caught up in the lesson plan and over identify with some aspects, but the goal is to eventually not be limited by them, since our true being is prior to them.

When it comes to not being influenced by unfriendly beings, we have to be strong in our self, yet we don't want to over identify with any aspect.

Regarding the representative images you spoke of, that's a good point. I figure beings with a negative mind set don't have an actual way of looking. Perhaps the beings known as reptilians don't actually look like reptiles. Some say they are shape shifters, and some say they are beings who can exist at both physical and non-physical levels. Going by how they manifest, this seems to be the case.




spooky2 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 10:17pm:

After reading the start of this thread, I was somehow irritated about it. So I thought, why not have a little phasing and see if I get an info about it, so off I went, and felt threatened by some horrible looking entities who clearly wanted to come close to me and grab me. As it wasn't an OBE I was still aware of my physical body and kept cool, and thought: "What does that mean?" And called a guide, and he told me these beings (or images of seeming beings) would want aspects of humans, they want to grab an aspect of a person and tear it apart from the ensemble of the aspects of which this person consists of. This, though, only would be a problem for those who have a very analytical self-view (meaning no real self view), and this self-image, which is consisting of many aspects, is a prey for those forces; but this self-image isn't something really substantial, it is a thought thing. Nevertheless, if one identifies with it, and it is about to be torn apart, it's hellish. Spooky

Volu:

What you wrote reminds me of what Bruce Moen says about belief system crashes. People often get caught up in what they consider to be comfty, cosey belief systems, and it can be challenging when they break out of them.

The problem is, it seems as if a few people are dictating the belief systems for many other people, so there are a lot of people who are easy to mislead, quite often not for the better.



Volu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2010 at 5:12am:

Recoverer, "Ignorance does not equal independence. In fact, perhaps it can someday equal bondage if people choose not to find out what's going on and prepare accordingly." Having a look around there are all kinds of incarnational levels, which I presume reflects members of a disc. Who's to say all members have the purpose of getting to know such information? Most people I meet are fully enveloped in this system, rarely thinking outside the box, and I presume that's their purpose and see nothing wrong with it, unless they try to drag me into it, and I also presume they have other members with other purposes. What can be done is prepare oneself if inclined and share if people are interested to hear about it. My guess is that few will want to listen, but it's their lives, so isn't that ok? I've got one very good friend who I said to myself REALLY had to put out some sort of signal in order for me to speak about these matters. The signal came through this friend speaking about material she had come across. I opened up a bit, VERY carefully selecting my words not wanting to cause any fear. The information she came across which barely scratched the surface, initially she was very intrigued by it, but then what she'd found turned into a a shock to her system, accompanied by trembling and anxiety. I recommended she let it go. She's had and are having so many interesting and unique experiences, so why get bogged down in stuff you aren't ready to handle.

Inventech:

Certainly that's a possibility to consider, but because of how the pieces of the puzzle connect, I don't think so.


Inventech5 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2010 at 10:37am:

Perhaps the 'aliens' are just pulling a prank on you?  ::)

Recoverer,

"What you wrote reminds me of what Bruce Moen says about belief system crashes. People often get caught up in what they consider to be comfty, cosey belief systems, and it can be challenging when they break out of them."

It's challenging, and that's why I presume, again, that a LOT of incarnations are needed to both immerse one's self in and disengage from this game. Sometimes it seems like this road just keeps going on forever and ever, same oblivious shit different day, but in the long run I think it's worth it. I get the feeling that my disc has balance in himher self but needs to experience balance/merging of the polarities to go get to know and understand it. I also think that mastery of emotions is of one of the keys on the chain taken from all this. When I read stuff, it's kinda blank and straightforward, but when I hear an incarnation saying the same words, with emotion added, it's enriched and much more clear, vivid and alive. Like a painter learning to paint pictures with light and shadow, then add colour.

"The problem is, it seems as if a few people are dictating the belief systems for many other people, so there are a lot of people who are easy to mislead, quite often not for the better."

Yeah, I know and agree. But then again I think that's part of the experience, and think that some members, on the surface may seem to live wasteful lives, but are bringing a lot of valuable experience to the table, so that other members expand on that, and "get the job done".

About the topic, other information I've got, love or crappity smack it, makes no difference to me, 'sma' is used among the winged reptilian royals to expand life of their bodies (hard to let go of being a body and power?). Orion reptiles infiltrate systems rather than the bang on domination like sirians. The egyptian statues with dog bodies show who's the head of the orion and sirian alliance. Orion is ruled by a queen, sirians are ruled by a king, a situation reflected on earth. Oh well. Fantasy, fiction. Who the crappity smack knows, for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqJh_uMAYIo

Or, like the angel-like beings say to Buhlman in his book, "it is the greatest challenge to break the illusion when it is at its highest density"

chrwe:

I'm not certain what you're referring to, but if you're suggesting that people who speak of reptilians are dealing with nothing but illusion, perhaps this is true to the same degree that you and your post are nothing but illusions.

On the other hand, in the same way that you and your post exist, people have found out about unfriendly aliens in a manner that goes beyond belief system oriented illusions.

I'm like Justin in that at first I thought the reptilian thing was a joke, mainly because David Icke doesn't seem completely credible, but then I found sources that speak about them that seem credible, and received messages about them in a manner that was more than my mind creating hallucinations.

The manner in which these messages have been delivered to me is as real as how posts appear on this forum. In fact, I say the messages are more real, because they come from beings that aren't caught up in their own delusions and that abide at levels of being that are prior to this physical world.


chrwe wrote on Jul 1^st, 2010 at 8:01am:

Or, like the angel-like beings say to Buhlman in his book, "it is the greatest challenge to break the illusion when it is at its highest density"

Volu wrote on Jun 30^th, 2010 at 2:39pm:

Recoverer, "What you wrote reminds me of what Bruce Moen says about belief system crashes. People often get caught up in what they consider to be comfty, cosey belief systems, and it can be challenging when they break out of them." I

Huh?? sorry recoverer, I was referring to this part of the above post

Okay, as I said, I wasn't certain.


chrwe wrote on Jul 1^st, 2010 at 1:47pm:

Volu wrote on Jun 30th, 2010 at 2:39pm: Recoverer, "What you wrote reminds me of what Bruce Moen says about belief system crashes. People often get caught up in what they consider to be comfty, cosey belief systems, and it can be challenging when they break out of them." I Huh?? sorry recoverer, I was referring to this part of the above post

hi recoverer and all   i believe aliens have always walked among us as they are spirits what reside on other planets,that's why space probes never pick them up as they are invisible to the camera.

i don't think there will ever be an alien invasion as they are spirits what are learning from us,i see it like this,when we pass over to a spirit,we can visit them on there planets but perhaps they are a bit more curious about us than we are of them

my dad said through this medium that where he is in the spiritworld,he can see the planet earth,so i beleive we meet aliens on this earth.

i don't for one minute believe there are reptiles on this planet ,posing as human,i mean i saw some picture somewhere trying to say that president bush was a reptile,the same as our prime minister tony blair was supposed to look like the devil anti christ.

if there are reptiles posing on this planet why don't they let us know about,i think there are many things in god's universe that we will never understand, we will only know the real truth when we go home to spirit.

love and god bless   love juditha

Greetings yon venture earthlings.

   In the days of earth's distant past there is evidence all around that races of extrerrestrial beings visited upon this planet and imparted advanced knowledge to the existing homosapiens. The Incas, the Mayas, the Egyptians, the aborigines of Australia, the Dogon tribe, the Dropas, the Hindus, and many more have records of the space gods giving them knowledge and even occassionally using humans in wars amongst themselves.

   Many of today's visitors could be the races of aliens that once co-mingled with humanity in the past. I seriously doubt that they would wait for our technology to be advanced enough to fend off an invasion from them. It is not logical. Their intentions must be either benevolence or as they say in Star Trek just following the prime directive, to not get involved.

Ralph

The Gliese 581 system is the closest extra-solar system found so far capable of producing life as we know it. This system is around 20 light years away. So if you leave now and travel AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT you will get there in about 20 years. Going far slower will up the travel time to 50 or even hundreds of years....

And this is the CLOSEST candidate!

Also, I find it to be a complete waste of time to travel that sort of distance just to ravage a planet like Earth. In fact, If said aliens did travel THAT far they would most likely have ABANDONED they're own planet completely because it was dying. These aliens would have to have a massive space ship filled with plant life and I highly doubt they would be prepared for battle.

My personal opinion is to say simply, stick with proving the afterlife exists to the world on a grand scale. Maybe you actually have a chance at that. Proving aliens exist is less likely to happen, especially on a grand scale. You may find microorganisms but I doubt much more.

Yes, I believe in aliens. They are out there. But they are simply so far away you have no idea. The universe is so huge and we are all limited by our psychical bodies and what they can handle.

Prove the afterlife.
Prove that aliens exist.

Which one seems easier?

Unknown and unseen Angels walk  among us!

Alan

There are lots of people including myself who have had contact with aliens in a manner that was beyond hallucination and being hypnotized.

There are means of travel that are beyond physical means, and the speed of light isn't a concern.

There is an italian scientist called Corrado Malanga that has hypnotized more than 1,000 abductees. He has developed a method for delivering them of this fenomena.

This is what he says about the alien project:


In conclusion the aliens planned a war in which there is only one side, on one side openly and on the other subtly masked. The people is convinced that the evil ones are around, then the good guys come, but the good guys are just the evil ones in disguise: the people follow the former remaining "cornuti e mazziati" (cheated and beated), like they say in Naples.
The monopolar hypothesis reveals it's future scenario through the hypnoses on abductees. In this way we can predict the future, in an orwellian sort of way:
One day evil Aliens will land, the Reptilians, that will try to take over the world. The Americans, as always, will declare that they will do their duty to protect us from the invasion, but predictably, the aliens will be stronger than the Americans. At this point in time a new faction will come into play, the good Aliens, the Beings of light, they will kick the evil Aliens away giving humankind the freedom back. The humans will be thankful to the Beings of light and they will never leave our planet.
The alien strategy is always the same: making the people believe there are two opposed factions while they are sponsored simultaneously, obviously without the earthly contestants to know. At this stage they manipulate the two factions so that the people will side for a third party, the alien! (Even the proverb teaches this: between the two contestants, a third wins). This project is so simple and so banal to be astonishing.
During a hypnosis I asked an alien memory belonging to a 6 Fingers (blond manipulator of the human race):
-During the last big war, who were you siding?
The alien replied:
-Why do you want to know?
and I: Just a curiosity
The alien voice to me:
-Mmh, mhh... with the both of them, so that whoever won so did we.


This is the site of Corrado Malanga in italian:

http://www.ufomachine.org


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Half truths are worse than whole lies for they deceive even the Soul. 

Re: the E.T.'s which do not have a PUUL motivation in relation to us or themselves (namely the group called the Reptilians), they are very, very, very active in creating false belief systems about them and what's really going on.   They certainly have the ability to program people subconsciously, and according to some sources they are very much in bed with different Government factions and levels.   

  They dangle carrots of advanced technology in return for favors, silence, and active misdirection.   The U.S. gov. is particularly good at the above for so much practice in covert activities and societal brainwashing. 

  If these factions are not counter balanced by guidance forces and especially the actions of individual humans and humanity as a whole, then humanity will end up a species in not just spiritual-energetic bondage-stuckness, but also in physical.

  We can talk all day about the dangers or limitations  of duality and polarity mind sets, but arguments against these will not help to change the spiritual and physical suffering of many, many beings in this system if this group does get to do what it wants to.  Beyond a certain point, those who are helping us will not interfere for unless we change within, we will have to deal with what we have attracted.  It's akin to the idea that one can't "leave" a temporal hell area until one changes enough within to do so.  Just more collective in nature.  Guidance levels can't force us to change.

  The point is, we can choose a much more constructive and more quickly suffering transforming way .  How, by awareness of what is going on, and by attuning ourselves as much as we can to the Creative forces--principally PUUL.  This awareness and this attunement allows us to shield ourselves from their influence and counteracts it.

  Personally, i find it's important to look upon this group (and those humans they influence or work with) with and through the eyes of PUUL, just as with any of Source's children--because we are all One and this group has the potential to find their way back again. 

Re: outer sources and info along this line.  One of the few outer sources i resonate with and trust more than not re: this issue is Courtney Brown's Remote viewings and the remote viewings of those at his Farsight Institute. 

  He has written two major books based on his modified remote viewing techniques (Brown also attended the Gateway Voyage at TMI in Faber) and info gathered through same. 

Interestingly, some varied info scattered throughout both books aligns to more direct guidance that my partner and i have received.  Some he doesn't even seem to understand himself when he wrote it in the books, like his communications with "Jesus" and Jesus talking about the Grays, Martians, etc. as being "his children."  (think Bruce's explorer partner and her guidance about the Planning Intelligence and related connections). 

The 1st book is rather naive and only focuses on more positive aspects of E.T.'s groups for the most part.

  The 2nd book deals with some intense issues related particularly to that one group perceived as reptilian in nature, and how they are in a war to manipulate, deceive, and mislead us on many levels--thus facilitating their eventual full conquest of Earth and it's inhabitants.   A humanity literally and figuratively chained. 

One way for this group to get their way, is to convince people through various means that there is nothing to this theory, or to create limiting spiritually oriented belief systems which say, well if you believe in such polarity based issues, you're just another stuck person and in reality there is nothing at all to worry or be concerned about, as it's all just illusion to begin with.  The illusion perspective has it's relative truth of course, but suffering is real & when one is more tuned into the Whole, one can feel it's other selves suffering. 

   With my communications with that Consciousness Bruce labeled the Planning Intelligence, i didn't get such a non nonchalant and passive, anything goes impression, but rather real concern and an attitude of active positivity to act as a counter balance to these hindering influences (and It has asked the same of others and i).   The P.I. might be a sweet giggler full of joy, humor, and love, but It can be very serious about important issues.  After all, the P.I. IS the original Retriever from the beginning and so much of It's energies are focused on a very broad, whole Retrieval process.   

Anyways, here is a site wherein you can download for free, both of Courtney Browns' books based on his modified R.V. sessions.   In relation to the above topic thread, i especially recommend reading the 2nd one and seeing what you get from your own inner guidance about the matter.   The 1st is also interesting and worth reading, but doesn't so much relate to this thread topic except that it goes into much depth and detail about the "Grays" who are a group that works with humans on permission of humans (or in most cases, just their "Disks") and the "Galactic Federation" of E.T.'s, which are basically Light Beings from various different areas and focuses of the Universe. 
 Some of this insight becomes important to understand in relation to the latter book talking about the Reptilian group and how the Grays, along with the G.F. are very active in trying to counter balance the hindering nature of the Reptilian interactions with us.    

http://www.courtneybrown.com/publications/explorers.html

   The question of whether or not the reptilians are planning an invasion is a good one. I still think that even though they attempt mind control of humans, it doesn't prove that they plan enslavement of our race.

   Here is a good website with references to the most common races observed:
http://www.hyper.net/ufo/occupants.html
Since the Dogon and Babylonians mention amphibious beings and all of the recent sightings of craft coming and going out of the oceans, I believe they have vast societies living in our seas and under the ground.

   The Mayan 2012 prophecy has been interpreted by some to mean that Quetzalcoatl is supposed to return after that date. Being described as a feathered serpent, would it mean that Quetzalcoatl is coming to free us from the reptilian influence, or is actually part of the invasion? Something to ponder.

Ralph

First of all, I don’t believe information received through hypnosis is fully trustworthy.  Sometimes you’ll get good information, sometimes not. I read some of Dolores Clairborne’s books, and even though some of the things her subjects say sounds okay (often some entity speaks through them), some of them sound false. In fact, different subjects from within one book contradict each other about key points.  It is certainly possible that a hypnosis subject picks up on a hypnotist’s belief system as a subconscious level. If a person allows his or herself to be hypnotized by a hypnotist, this suggests that he or she is open to the hypnotists suggestions. Thoughts are things, including the thoughts of a hypnotist.

When it Comes to aliens, Clairborne's hypnosis subjects came up with quite a different story than what Malanga's subjects came up with.

Nevertheless, people including myself have received information about reptilians without being hypnotized.

One person I consider credible had an OBE where he was taken on board a ship that had different aliens. One of the aliens said they should attack the unfriendly aliens, but another alien said that if they did so, the unfriendly aliens would attack this world.  So it could be that the answer to the million dollar skepticism based question, “If unfriendly aliens exist, then why haven’t they attacked already?” is, there is a standoff between friendly and unfriendly aliens.

Regarding what Justin wrote about  polarity mindsets, perhaps this relates to why I received messages stating that ACIM came from unfriendly beings. If person allows his (or her) mind to be defined by the course too much, he might have a hard time accepting that unfriendly beings actually exist. In fact, Warren Smith wrote that he and his wife were troubled by unfriendly beings, they told their ACIM reading group co-members about this, and they just couldn’t believe that he and his wife were being troubled by unfriendly beings.  Their minds had been programmed so they were incapable of conceiving of such a thing.

Regarding Courtney Brown, some of the things he says sound  accurate to me; however, I believe that just like any of us including me, his discrimination has flaws at times (e.g., suggesting that everybody gets involved with transcendental meditation).  He wrote that remote viewers before him tried to get information about the Grays and were provided with false information. Yet he wrote that he received accurate information, because the Grays informed him it was time to reveal true information.  I’m not willing to assume that this is the case. If they were willing to give out false information in the past, why wouldn’t they continue to do so with Courtney? I’ve read some things about the Grays that sound negative. Some sources speak of them working with the Reptilians. 

I agree with Courtney’s premise that we have the mission of helping Grays evolve to a higher level, but I also believe service oriented beings also want to help the reptilians evolve to a higher level.

Another thing Courtney wrote that requires discernment based attention, is that friendly aliens won’t interact with us until we have a one world government. I’m wary of the “New World Order” movement, so question marks came up when I read what he wrote about this. I believe this world needs to become unified at a spiritual level, not at a level where a few self-appointed head honchos decide for everybody else.

hi recoverer   with all love and respect for you, i don't like to think there are reptiles here because i don't think there anything to do with god,do you

all i can think of is that they probably come from the phreistoric era

i just resent the fact of reptilians,reminds me of star trek. i dont want to meet one.

love and god bless  love juditha

Let's summarize what to do. Let's assume there is someone who doesn't have the gift to see what's going on regarding aliens. When this one would live in the here and now, and would as much as possible be aware of unfiltered perceptions of his/her so-called physical environment, then it would be the best this one could do, right? Direct seeing, not being caught up in belief systems, just what's there, and from that open mindedly chose what to do. Right?

Spooky

   Open mindedly chose what to do about what?

Ralph

Justin,

"If these factions are not counter balanced by guidance forces and especially the actions of individual humans and humanity as a whole, then humanity will end up a species in not just spiritual-energetic bondage-stuckness, but also in physical."

A guide stating that any scenario here will or even can result in spiritual bondage I'd ask to remove the mask, and let the flick of the tongue rip. Pure dark polarity fantasy. Just as unconditional love being the ultimate repellent is pure light polarity fantasy. Gee, the power given to the fritzl types on silver platters. As for physical domination, just one of many possibilities, but then again a chance to prove to oneself that "I am more than the physical body" is more than mere lip sync. And besides, even f27 outshine anything here, and then there's the beyond.

recoverer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2010 at 2:43pm:

First of all, I don’t believe information received through hypnosis is fully trustworthy.  Sometimes you’ll get good information, sometimes not.

  I agree.  There are various factors to consider.  True of any case or type of information receiving from the nonphysical levels of being. 



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Regarding what Justin wrote about  polarity mindsets, perhaps this relates to why I received messages stating that ACIM came from unfriendly beings. If person allows his (or her) mind to be defined by the course too much, he might have a hard time accepting that unfriendly beings actually exist. In fact, Warren Smith wrote that he and his wife were troubled by unfriendly beings, they told their ACIM reading group co-members about this, and they just couldn’t believe that he and his wife were being troubled by unfriendly beings.  Their minds had been programmed so they were incapable of conceiving of such a thing.

  Very much agree.


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Regarding Courtney Brown, some of the things he says sound  accurate to me; however, I believe that just like any of us including me, his discrimination has flaws at times (e.g., suggesting that everybody gets involved with transcendental meditation).

  I agree, until a person reaches the Yeshua level of Source and PUUL attunement, they will have and make errors of judgment and will lack some degree of total accuracy in their perceptions.   It seems to me, that such people as Yeshua are fairly rare in this physical Earth, and not one outer source i have come across as in a book, or what not, is 100 percent accurate.  It's not energetically possible until one has fully consciously remerged with Source and the Whole.  Such people are truly free and liberated.  Such people and only such people can act as true liberators. 

  Re: Courteny and what he said about TM meditation, well to be fair to him and his work, in his communications with Yeshua, Yeshua told him that the TM meditation techniques were helpful, but not necessarily necessary for everyone in their path of spiritual growth.  Yeshua said as to the forms, there are many forms that can help people, but ultimately growth comes about from personal experience and application and often takes many, many lifetimes to remerge with Source.

Since Brown shared this, which contradicts his own beliefs a bit, i give him credit.   He strikes me as a true scientist type in that he shares and talks about info even if it contradicts his own personal beliefs. 

Re: the grays, Recoverer wrote, 
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Some sources speak of them working with the Reptilians.

  Herein lies the problem with this area of research, so many sources contradict each other on so many things.  I suspect this is both a natural and purposeful developement. 

  The guidance i received about the Grays supports what Brown says about them in many respects.  They want to be helpful to us and want to both learn from us and also teach us. 

Problem is, they have a really hard time with the concept and experience of emotion and a more set individuality, two things that humans and human experience is so focused around.  Hence in the past, they have mistreated humans by accident, for lack of full understanding.  They have no clue what it's like to be human.

Brown gives the example that they would get permission from a person's Disk to work with the connected human personality, but the human personality doesn't remember the agreement and so when the abduction happens, the human personality freaks out and is filled with fear, but at the Disk level they are happy to be helping with the Gray projects. 

  I happen to believe that the group Bruce worked with, the "2nd gathering group" he talks about, may in fact be a group of the Grays with whom Bruce helped to teach the importance of emotion--especially in the sense of feeling love.  If Bruce's account of this is fully true, then this will have ripples throughout our Galaxy, and this was quite the important service act on his and his fellow TMI co-workers part.


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I agree with Courtney’s premise that we have the mission of helping Grays evolve to a higher level, but I also believe service oriented beings also want to help the reptilians evolve to a higher level.

I agree, and ideally in an ideal reality, Guidance levels will help retrieve those Souls connected to the reptilians. 

  However, the guidance i've received about this very issue indicates to me, that many Souls who have migrated into this group and which are fond of incarnating in this group, are some of the most stuck Souls around.  They are part of the "lost Souls" that Bruce has talked about.  Cayce's Guidance has called them "children or sons of Belial."  and has indicated that these Souls also incarnate into our world and into human bodies as well. 

  They lack the energetic of love from the get go, and so they are very hard to retrieve.   I suspect the Planning Intelligence is hoping that they can be reached, but if they can't then more drastic measures might be taken, and i believe this relates to some of the accounts of what happens to a particularly stuck once human aspect of a Disk when Bruce was talking about the temporal Hells and the "hard cases" and especially the "Satans" of those afterlife hell levels. 

  I don't think this is something that the P.I. or Source wants to do, but may become a necessity at some point. 


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Another thing Courtney wrote that requires discernment based attention, is that friendly aliens won’t interact with us until we have a one world government. I’m wary of the “New World Order” movement, so question marks came up when I read what he wrote about this.

  I don't remember him saying this in just the purely political sense, but more in the spiritual sense of this world and humanity needs much more unity if we are to collectively heal.   

   Perhaps he is being over idealistic in the sense of trying to apply this to the world as it is now, and in a more narrow political sense.   

I agree, right now with the way things are, it would be a highly difficult and possibly very mis-used system.   I am going to look through that book again, to see what he specifically does and doesn't say about this. 

  However, eventually i do see something like a one world government developing, but in the future i see this happening, it will be after the collapses of all current government and political systems and it won't be such a political thing as it is now, for leaders in power in the future will be rather mature Souls who are seen for what they are energetically and are chosen based on the majorities desire for greater spiritual health for the collective.

Much, much, much different than the ways things are now with our money systems, greed, and extreme collective selfishness having so much to do with government and politics. 

Volu wrote on Jul 6^th, 2010 at 5:38am:

Justin, "If these factions are not counter balanced by guidance forces and especially the actions of individual humans and humanity as a whole, then humanity will end up a species in not just spiritual-energetic bondage-stuckness, but also in physical." A guide stating that any scenario here will or even can result in spiritual bondage I'd ask to remove the mask, and let the flick of the tongue rip. Pure dark polarity fantasy. Just as unconditional love being the ultimate repellent is pure light polarity fantasy. Gee, the power given to the fritzl types on silver platters. As for physical domination, just one of many possibilities, but then again a chance to prove to oneself that "I am more than the physical body" is more than mere lip sync. And besides, even f27 outshine anything here, and then there's the beyond.

Spiritual bondage meant only in the sense of while incarnated as a human one is stuck in the energetics of fear, suffering, lack of spiritual awareness, lack of love, etc.  "Stuckness" does not only apply to a human who dies and then is stuck between the more purely physical and more purely nonphysical levels, but applies in a much broader and universal sense of suffering--suffering in any being and in any dimension or level of being more collective in nature (such as this physical Earth).   

Or in other words, lack of pure, complete attunment to Source and to PUUL.  Anytime there is a lack of the above, there is suffering, and the degree of suffering is always directly proportional to the degree of lack of attunment to PUUL and to Source Consciousness.

  Speaking more specifically of the future the reptilian group wants: Obviously once a Soul born into such a world and into a body, leaves this world, they can become more spiritually free and aware. 

However, our lives as humans, often have a great impact in our lives in the nonphysical.  This is part of the reason of why we incarnate here to begin with. 

  Physical challenge and diffifulty is often good for the Soul and can really help it expand, but when it comes to a point wherein an entire species and world is enslaved and constantly abused and there isn't much that can change that, then this creates a very difficult situation both physically and energetically.   

Can it be overcome?  Sure, all things are possible, but it becomes very, very difficult in the probable sense. 

  In a sense, many Souls that incarnate as  humans, are somewhat stuck once they decide to incarnate as humans.   

It's because they keep creating the kind of karma that needs to be specifically worked out here. 

If they reach a sufficient level of PUUL attunement, they can break the cycle and they become free and become aware of other realms, systems, and in some cases, even entirely raw realities to co-create new, unique structured realities. 

  But, look at humanity today and right now.  Look at how much suffering and lack of PUUL there is in the world, and how many recycle in and out of human bodies, some because of unhealthy addiction and others because of karmic obligations. 

  If the Reptilians get what they want, it will only become much worse for humanity and thus also to some extent for aspects of our nonphysical nature and experience. 

  You are entirely ignoring a huge part and premise of Bruce's work here.  That Souls which were once attached to and working through human bodies, can and do get stuck when the body dies.  Consciousness and awareness is essentially the same anywhere it is focused in that it can be more limited or more free, and all individual consciousnesses are to some extent or another affected by the surrounding environment or a greater collective of energies.

  This stuckness is a very painful thing for the individual being, and thus the individual pain affects the Whole for all is connected.  That is the very meaning of PUUL, to want to end suffering for every individual and thus the Whole, for all is connected.

  If a once human Soul can get stuck partially from the way the world is now, only imagine how many will get stuck in the nonphysical if the reptilian E.T. group gets what it wants? 

  Maybe you don't care and are non nonchalant about all this, based on so supposedly more enlightened way of looking at the world and reality (seemingly largely based on "The Matrix" books which are as about spiritually distorted, half truth filled, and disinfo as one can find), but i do care and i have dedicated my self and this human life to be a channel of change of this world for the better. 

  I will go through anything in order to help this world and those who are stuck.  Because i can feel others suffering and i guess it's a selfish thing, because when others suffer, i also suffer and so i want to help change this.  If we are all happy and free of suffering, then truly we are all healed for we are all One and connected at such an intrinsic, fundamental level.

  I see a potential future of collective human greatness, unity, and happiness.  This is probable at this point, and it's because of the efforts of so many retrievers who have directly incarnated here to help with human stuckness. 

  However, because of the way humanity is right now, and because of the hindering influence of the reptilian group, there is a possibility for this world and humanity to become much worse than it is now.  I cannot be passive and nonchalant about this. 

Every active, positive effort on part of every human who desires healthy collective change can and will help to co-create the future wherein many will finally become truly and completely free.   

  Please at least consider being a part of the positive change in an active, more collective sense.  Making fun of, judging, and slyly belittling others who do care and want to see this positive change happen for all, is  not a way of helping this process at all. 

  Or maybe that is the point?

What I have come across in my phasings is, for example, what I called "the bats". Bat-like beings who draw energy from, I think, naive, maybe new incarnated humans during their sleep, as these humans seemed to be very suggestible in their sleep state, appearing like wearing video goggles and sort of hypnotized by it.

But it actually did not appear as a race trying to enslave another race. No, it was like a symbiosis. Like in physical nature. My impression is, in that alien discussion there is too much worded in terms of war, rather than talking of a universal ecologic system. It's like in old science-fiction novels, here the good old humans, there the nasty aliens. From what I know, this is not the case.

Indeed, people get stuck. But in a way, it might make them a prey for other entities, but on the other hand it makes them as well immune to attacks from other other entities. It's just typical human. And when some entities should incarnate as humans, then they are humans as well, point.

I am very sceptical about opinions which show a dedication to some "enlightened masters". To me, this is close to being in the army and worship the above ranks. It is missed that enlightenment is here and now, and not in looking up to some ancient figures which appear in golden clouds. That same phantasy pattern reappears in making up all that alien races which allegedly undermine the human society. No. If you're smart, take it symbolically. There are many forces which are trying to tear one's psyche apart- but finally, these forces are a part of that very psyche, since it's ego psyche. Always ready for war. Poor.

Spooky

spooky2 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2010 at 7:14pm:

What I have come across in my phasings is, for example, what I called "the bats". Bat-like beings who draw energy from, I think, naive, maybe new incarnated humans during their sleep, as these humans seemed to be very suggestible in their sleep state, appearing like wearing video goggles and sort of hypnotized by it. But it actually did not appear as a race trying to enslave another race. No, it was like a symbiosis. Like in physical nature. My impression is, in that alien discussion there is too much worded in terms of war, rather than talking of a universal ecologic system. It's like in old science-fiction novels, here the good old humans, there the nasty aliens. From what I know, this is not the case.

  Sounds like what you perceived, isn't the same thing or issue that Recoverer, my wife, and i have received  about this issue. 


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I am very sceptical about opinions which show a dedication to some "enlightened masters". To me, this is close to being in the army and worship the above ranks. It is missed that enlightenment is here and now, and not in looking up to some ancient figures which appear in golden clouds.

  You have recently shared some info about and from a modern day person who claims to be fully liberated.  You thought there was something to their thoughts and ideas relating to spiritual issues. 

How is that any different than someone like Recoverer and i, who have gotten direct guidance and have had experiences with a person like Yeshua who is very much still involved with this world and retrieving people? 


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That same phantasy pattern reappears in making up all that alien races which allegedly undermine the human society. No.

  This is both personally based judgment and also a "straw man" like argument.  If one believes in and speaks well of a spiritual Master like Yeshua, btw someone Bruce speaks very well of in his books, then in their delusion or limiting patterns according to you then they will also believe in wars with E.T.'s as if the two are somehow directly related??? 


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If you're smart, take it symbolically. There are many forces which are trying to tear one's psyche apart- but finally, these forces are a part of that very psyche, since it's ego psyche. Always ready for war. Poor.

  Well heres the thing, some very credible sources have spoken about these issues too. 

More specifically i find it very interesting that before my wife read "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight she had a very vivid dream wherein she was reborn into another body in the future.  In this future, humanity was rather different in various ways.  There was a lot less people, people on average were more consciously aware of the nonphysical, there wasn't much pollution, and technology was much more advanced i.e. we had anti-gravity crafts like some E.T groups use. 

  At this piont in time, there were many E.T. groups which had communicated more directly with humanity.  My wife was acting in the capacity as a Earth ambassador like role wherein she communicated with various E.T. groups in a diplomatic manner.

  During this time, she knew we were in an open war with a particular E.T. group, not by choice or desire, but in order to protect ourselves from being taken over.  An analogy would be like one country aggressively invading another with no justification, and the peaceful country instead of choosing to let themselves get completely slaughtered or enslaved, they choose to fight just to protect themselves.

In the dream, other E.T. groups were helping us by helping improve our technology and giving us info about this aggressive E.T. group.  Specifically, she met a particular E.T. who helped her out in relation to this aggressive group and upon waking she knew that E.T. was connected to my Disk, or in other words i was the helpful, very aware E.T.

  Anyways, i found the dream particularly interesting because of what i previously read in Rosiland McKnight's book Cosmic Journey's. 

McKnight was one of Bob Monroe's earlier explorers and much of the Gateway Voyage program at The Monore Institute is based upon her guidance session and info that she got while working with Monroe in his lab. 

  In her book Cosmic Journey's, Rosiland relates that on several occasions that her guidance helped her to tune into the Akashic record level of consciousness and she viewed major probability factors of humanity and it's growth over a long period of time (both past and future) from her present. 

Specifically talked about by her guidance was the probability that sometime around the 2500 year period, there would be a war between human world/humanity and a non constructive E.T. group. 

  Seems to me that Bob Monroe and others connected to TMI found Rosiland and her guidance sessions pretty credible--especially since there were many instances of veriifcations in this work.  For example, sometimes Bob would have a question in his mind and Rosie's guidance would answer it before asked.   Or, in one instance in the book, it's mentioned that a very skeptical  psychologist came down to talk to Monroe about his work.  Instead of talking about it, he suggested she try it out for herself.  A little while later, she reported back that she was experiencing a group of 4 Beings debating about whether or not to lift her out of her body.

What was interesting about this, is that Rosiland was normally scheduled that time to work with her guidance, and Rosiland typically had 4 Beings she primarily worked with, with "Ah So" acting as kind of the director or main guide.

This future date may seem far away, but as i've said, the war is going on right now, but currently it's being engaged on and in a covert, psychological, energetic, and mental-emotional sense.

This group is helping to keep humans stuck, and they want this deeply. 

  Personally, i don't understand their motivation--it doesn't seem very logical to me--especially since they are more aware of nonphysical realities and concepts more than the average human.  I don't understand how they couldn't want to be part of attuning to and expressing PUUL. 


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Indeed, people get stuck. But in a way, it might make them a prey for other entities, but on the other hand it makes them as well immune to attacks from other other entities. It's just typical human. And when some entities should incarnate as humans, then they are humans as well, point.

  Regarding the first part, i fail to see how an individual, or collective humanity being stuck energetically is going to help them in relation to this current, and especially later the physical war? 

  As i've said before, awareness of the situation and attuning to PUUL will help both individuals and the collective. 

The only reason why these aggressive E.T.s haven't directly attacked or started a war with us yet, is because they are not allowed to yet. 

They are not allowed to by forces more powerful and aware than they, because if they were allowed to do what they want now, it would a total slaughter and we would have no chance.

  Spooky, lack of direct guidance about an issue does not equal knowledge about it or say that it's not possible or probable.  Nor does it negate the perceptions and guidance of those who have had direct guidance about an issue. 

  Do you think people like Albert, Rosiland, Courtney Brown Phd, and i are trying to make people scared or trying to foster fantasy illusions just for the fun or ignorance of it? 

  Neither Albert or i seek money or followers in any way, for talking about this info.  We simply want to be on the side of guidance of helping to make people aware of some very important issues.  We still talk about it even though people make fun of us, our beliefs, or personally belittle us. 

  Btw, when they incarnate as humans, they might be "just humans" but it's some of these humans which have caused some of the most trouble for other humans and for humanity.  It's these humans which tend to be those rather uncommon super psychopathic types who have an insatiable appetite for power, money, and material influence.  People that get involved in creating systems that oppress others. 

We all have a responsibility for we allow this to happen, and in some cases even vote some of these people in, but it doesn't change the fact that the average human doesn't tend towards these extreme power and control issues that leads to affecting other humans material lives adversely whether directly causing suffering OR helping to keep people stuck in limiting beliefs through manipulation of info, media, government, etc. 

 

Please don't take this as completely flippant, but so what? I mean, sure, there can be good and bad ETs, but what can we really do about it? Our focus should be on our personal spiritual development, IMO.

In the end, I believe we all go back to Creator, good/bad, human/alien. It's all a journey. Personally, I don't believe much in what people channel, I think it's too easily misconstrued and there is a possibility for misleading messages by the sender. Makes for interesting reading, but I don't believe it anymore than I believe fairy tales and the Bible. The only thing I could possibly believe about the Bible is that they were trying to describe their contact with aliens. Good, bad or ugly, we all go back to Creator....why worry, be happy.

Further, I believe what you focus on manifests itself. Focusing on bad ETs gives them strength and a way to make themselves "known."

Just my two cents.

goobygirl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 1:33am:

Please don't take this as completely flippant, but so what? I mean, sure, there can be good and bad ETs, but what can we really do about it?

Would you have this same attitude if this particular group of E.T. took, enslaved you, killed all you love and held dear, and noticeably manipulated societal belief systems to have the affect to facilitate and perpetuate stuckness? 

  The time will come, when the more obvious, in our face factors can become reality if it's not prevented by US. 

Few humans have so much self non attachment and material non attachment as to really say and believe, when experiencing something as difficult and challenging as the above, "so what".   

  So what that so many people in this world live in such horrible material conditions which in many cases were created by others and their insatiable appetites for more money and more power.  So what that this is a world of mass inharmony, selfishness, and suffering. 

So what we say, unless we ourselves are experiencing it.  Even then, it becomes woe is me and my problems usually, not concern for others in a more universal and unconditional sense.
 
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Our focus should be on our personal spiritual development, IMO.

  I almost completely agree.  Both Recoverer and i, two people that have received direct guidance about this E.T. group and their plans, advocate that our best solution to this is individual and collective spiritual developement AND also awareness of the situation.  That which one is unconscious of, is often the most difficult thing to transform and regenerate for the unconsciousness. 

Ever heard the term the "shadow", and how important it is for an individual to become consciously aware of what's in the shadow in order to regenerate what's limiting in same so one can growth and expand?

   If enough people in this world, speed up their inner vibratory patterns by attuning to PUUL and to Source, then the less chance and influence this group has of manipulating us as a species and later conquering us as a world. 

   However, i fail to see how awareness of the issues and probabilities here are limiting or a waste of time.  Maybe most just don't really want to think about it because it's something they can't obviously control and such unknowns and uncontrollable things tend to make many uneasy and uncomfortable.   

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In the end, I believe we all go back to Creator, good/bad, human/alien... Good, bad or ugly, we all go back to Creator....why worry, be happy...

Perhaps you missed the part about "lost Souls" in Bruce's book.  It's not quite so simple and black and white.  I wish it was, but it's not.   

We were given freewill by the Creator, and by and through use of this freewill we either bring ourselves more in resonation or less in resonation with Source.  It's not a "give in" or automatic.   We have to change ourselves within, in order to remerge with Source in the fully conscious sense. 

Passivity will get someone no where quick.  Becoming a more and more pure channel and expresser of PUUL however, will help to get both self and others back, because the more individuals who realize their true natures, the easier it becomes for all.

  Some use their freewill in such consistently destructive and severely lacking in love ways, that they end up destroying their own consciousness coherency and experience a true and final death--a death of self awareness.   Bruce wrote about this in his books and others have mentioned similar. 

  The point is meanwhile, there are so many who suffer and anyone more intune with the Creator and Oneness Consciousness can not help to feel this and want to help out in the process of retrieve.   

  If one is intellectually polarized, or over Yin-passive polarized, then it becomes a "so what", passive selfish stance of i only care about self and my own developement. 

Apathy in other words, and apathy is a big reason of why humanity is in such a collective mess and has been for so long.  If more lived for others, like Yeshua did in his life, then the Retrieval process would move along smoothly and more would remerge with Source sooner, hence ending the ultimately needless experience of suffering. 

We weren't created to suffer, but we do and we do because of our mis use of freewill.  But it's not just an individual thing.  When you are born into a world of lies and half truths all around you, when you are indoctriated with selfishness, materialism, fear from birth, it becomes that much harder to break out of those patterns and cycles, and only the strongest and most mature of us do this more fully. 

I desire a world wherein this will be easier for everyone born as a human.  Part of co-creating this kind of future for me, means to talk openly about those influences which are hindering us from achieving that and outlining the solutions which will help us out of this.   


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Further, I believe what you focus on manifests itself. Focusing on bad ETs gives them strength and a way to make themselves "known."

  This can be true depending. It also can be true that remaining ignorant or buying into the propaganda and misinfo can also do likewise.   Remember, knowledge and awareness is power, and knowledge and awareness combined with love becomes powerful transforming wisdom personified.  Btw, i don't think in terms of "bad or good", as i find it a rather limiting perspective.   


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Just my two cents.

2 is an appropriate number label for your posts energy and message. 

The above was my 3 cents. 

On a personal level, i would prefer not to spend time writing and communicating about a subject that i know ahead of time that the majority will not agree with or appreciate.   I rarely write posts here anymore for lack of interest and other reasons, but i feel this is a very important issue and if i make just one person interested enough in seeking their own guidance more directly about this issue, then i will not have spent my time in vain. 

The more who are aware of these issues, and who are acting as solutions, the better it will be for all involved.  Passivity is not a wise option on this one and i wish others who can get clear info from guidance would seek out answers about this issue and share what they receive.   

Justin,

I find your response to me quite defensive. I am in the process of developing my spiritual awareness. I don't feel apathetic, I'm doing the best I can with what I have to become a loving soul and to develop myself.

However, I really don't have concern about whether I would be enslaved or not. This is all part of the journey and learning. I'm sure I have suffered through many tough things in my other lives and my soul experiences challenges on all levels in all of its (I believe) concurrent experiences.

In this life, I have a personal spiritual master I look to for guidance and protection. He says, yes, help your fellow man, but don't be too concerned about material goods and the illusions of life. Go within and meditate on the Light and Sound and develop your soul there. I meditate on the Sound Current, do my seva, practice nonviolence, eat vegan, and do what I can with what I have.

I will not engage in worrying about ETs and what they have planned as I do not have control over them, only control over me. If I meet an ET that doesn't have love in their heart, I will send them Love. If my life ends, so be it. It has to end.

I don't understand the anger coming through in your post, and why you made such an angry/flippant/defensive mark about my two cents. Honestly, I'm put off by what you have to say now.  I started reading the Cosmic book you recommended about remote viewing simply because I find this stuff interesting, but I remain skeptical. To me it sounds like you are very invested in this point of view and anyone's otherwise opinion frankly pisses you off.

It is my right to deal with issues the way I find best. I don't deserve your anger or your defensiveness, and I will not accept them.

Even with people getting stuck in focus levels, I think they will eventually get out, either through retrievals or other methods. It is all part of their soul's learning. Souls are not lost forever.

So in the end, for me at least, it is about learning, loving, and educating the soul. Bad people/good people/bad ETS/good ETS they are all part of the ONE and I won't pass judgment. They can enslave me, but my soul goes on

It is true what Justin said about Spooky. Spooky speaks against masters, yet he himself has pointed to what some self designated masters have said. If we have dreams about a true master, perhaps we should become clear about whether our mind was simply spinning out a belief system, or whether we received a meaningful message. If we had a period in our life that was difficult and a particular master was referred to us, perhaps we should become clear about what we were told. We should determine if we want doubtful, unclear and unknowing thoughts to make the decision.

First I was involved with gurus, and then I found that guru after guru was a fake. I figured the same was true with Jesus. But I kept an open mind, and in a manner that is beyond the spinning of my imagination, I found that he was authentic.

It is hard to say what Jesus was like while he was in this world, but I believe it is safe to say that he was a man who lived according to love and was completely committed to serving the greater good, and had no need for being put on a pedestal and engaging in the self serving ways so many gurus demonstrate. I don't believe an honest man (or woman) would ever tell other people to rely on him in the way gurus do so. A man who understands how misleading and destructive the guru thing has been, just wouldn't partake in such an approach.  Or in other words, if a man takes such an approach, he probably isn't the master he claims to be.

When Adolph Hitler and the Nazis had it in mind to attack other parts of the world, their attempts didn't go away simply because some people chose to not focus on such a thing. The people who paid attention enabled the required preparedness to manifest.

When it comes to soul lessons, it's a complicated affair. Some souls might have it in mind to be involved with a fake guru for a while so they can learn discrimination. Of course, there is nothing wrong with finding a way to learn a lesson more quickly. Some of us probably were informed about unfriendly alien influences before we incarnated in this world. This subconscious memory feels uncomfortable, so sometimes we are slow to acknowledge it, and scoff at sources that remind us of it. Fortunately, there is nothing out there that is too foreboding to deal with it, as long as we choose a love and light based approach.

Regarding Justin being defensive, it seems as if we are stuck between a rock and a hard place at times. On the one hand we don't want to be a fire and brimstone fundamentalist, on the other hand we don't want to be so passive that we don't do what needs to be done.

Balance is hard to find, I'd rather see a person be a little unbalanced on the firey side, rather than on the passive side that accomplishes nothing except perhaps let those who are passionate about causing harm succeed.

Regardless of what approach we take, if we try to grow spiritually, of course this is beneficial. However, I've found that the patterns that limit us can be hard to overcome at times, and wanting to help with the process of dealing with the negativity that exists provides a lot of extra motivation that helps us grow.

P.S. I don't mean to say that Jesus is the only authentic being that exists. I believe there are lots of beings who represent the light. However, I've found that when it comes to humans that seem sincere about helping out, they never designate themselves as enlightened people who should be relied on. They try to be helpful without becoming a crutch.

As soon as a person qualifies himself by saying he (or she) is enlightened, he allows other people to think of him as an infallible crutch that can't be doubted. A person who knows better and is spiritually responsible wouldn't make the mistake of representing himself as an enlightened being, "whatever that means."

You know them by their works....my spiritual teacher is authentic and teaches a meditation path, makes his own money (his meditation book was a #1 best seller on Barnes & Noble's list), takes no money from those he initiates, and gives free medical care and food to those in India. Anyone who is not initiate is not allowed to donate to the organization as there should be a clear, clean line associated with the source of income.

Secondly, anyone who attends any of his centers in the US gets free food, no donation necessary. For the fifth year in a row, the Center in Chicago is hosting Veggie Fest, a free festival to introduce people to vegetarian eating. Last year, 16,000 people attended.

I have no misconceptions about gurus. I just know that my teacher taught me how to meditate and taught me I can live without fear.

And if Justin is frustrated, he can air his frustrations without putting me down such as labeling my energy and post a "2." That type of talk is off-putting at least and downright rude at the most.

You're free to spread your message, but asking people to accept your feelings/thoughts/messages  without having their own experience is misleading to me. My experience? All God's creatures will go back to God, period. Did I get  upset and call his post a 2? No, I just said I wanted to believe what I believe and focus on my spiritual development.

goobygirl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 11:54am:

Justin, I find your response to me quite defensive. I am in the process of developing my spiritual awareness. I don't feel apathetic, I'm doing the best I can with what I have to become a loving soul and to develop myself. However, I really don't have concern about whether I would be enslaved or not. This is all part of the journey and learning. I'm sure I have suffered through many tough things in my other lives and my soul experiences challenges on all levels in all of its (I believe) concurrent experiences. In this life, I have a personal spiritual master I look to for guidance and protection. He says, yes, help your fellow man, but don't be too concerned about material goods and the illusions of life. Go within and meditate on the Light and Sound and develop your soul there. I meditate on the Sound Current, do my seva, practice nonviolence, eat vegan, and do what I can with what I have. I will not engage in worrying about ETs and what they have planned as I do not have control over them, only control over me. If I meet an ET that doesn't have love in their heart, I will send them Love. If my life ends, so be it. It has to end. I don't understand the anger coming through in your post, and why you made such an angry/flippant/defensive mark about my two cents. Honestly, I'm put off by what you have to say now.  I started reading the Cosmic book you recommended about remote viewing simply because I find this stuff interesting, but I remain skeptical. To me it sounds like you are very invested in this point of view and anyone's otherwise opinion frankly pisses you off. It is my right to deal with issues the way I find best. I don't deserve your anger or your defensiveness, and I will not accept them. Even with people getting stuck in focus levels, I think they will eventually get out, either through retrievals or other methods. It is all part of their soul's learning. Souls are not lost forever. So in the end, for me at least, it is about learning, loving, and educating the soul. Bad people/good people/bad ETS/good ETS they are all part of the ONE and I won't pass judgment. They can enslave me, but my soul goes on

  What you find, and what is reality is not necessarily the same thing.  You are reading typed words on a forum, the intention behind the words can be very different than the perception of one gets while reading ones words.

  I wasn't feeling at all defensive when i wrote you, but i feel this is such an important message to get out, i want to be absolutely clear and logical as one can be about such an "occult" issue.   

   But to be honest, i can be a little over Yang and Fiery at times, as Recoverer mentioned.   See, Recoverer and i know each other much better than we know you or you us, for we have spent time in physical with each other and have seen past each others typed words. 

  When we first met, i don't think we particularly got along on a personal leve--there was some definite friction and disagreement at timesl, but despite that, he saw the good in me and i saw the good in him, and eventually we saw there was similarity in the guidance we got about issues BIGGER than ourselves.   This eventually enabled a friendship to develop. 

I'm not sure if you know anything about astrology or not, but to give you an idea of my communication and interaction style, i have Mercury in Capricorn trine Virgo Jupiter with about a half a degree separation.   In other words, i can be overly blunt, open, and honest about my thoughts and feelings at times, and unintentionally wound people, but i almost never mean to actually do that. 

Anyways, enough about the messengers and our deeper and more true intentions.   

  Point is, i am not just writing to or about you, despite that i quoted your posts and words.  It's much less personal than that, and i've said what i've said because this is a public domain and many read this site. 

  One way of people of avoiding a real discussion wherein many good and logical points are brought up in retort, is to reply with something like, "you or your post are being defensive".   

That sets an emotional tone of, i don't want to hear your points because you are not worthy of being heard for your defensiveness.   It's actually a "defensive" way to respond in a discussion wherein the other person replies point by point for clarity. 

Re: what i said about your posts message and energy (notice i did not say you as in a fixed, labeling manner) being in resonation with the number 2--this is what i meant. 

   2 is a more passive, Yin number indication in numerology.  It's also a number of opposition and imbalance. 

I specifically made this comment in lieu of your opening statement reply to me, which was, "Please don't take this as completely flippant, but so what? I mean, sure, there can be good and bad ETs, but what can we really do about it? "

  My whole point is, the first step in conscious awareness and acceptance. 

  The next step is something we agree on, personal spiritual developement.  The difference between our viewpoint and perspective is that i'm emphasizing a more universal and collective activity. 

  The more of us who become aware of these issues, and who really try get their spiritual butts in gear as far as speeding up their vibratory rates, the better it will be for all of us. 

  There are massive changes coming before this physical war takes place.  In a few years the I-net and mass communication will not be a viable option.  Hence, certain messages need to be gotten out and stressed now.  Those who act as channels of guidance have a responsibility to speak openly, clearly, and fearlessly about such important issues.

  This is why Rosiland McKnight's guidance spoke openly about this issue, and why Rosie included this in her book Cosmic Journeys.  It's important. 

  See, i also knew and met Rosie, and Rosie was a rare Light in this world--someone who sincerely and deeply tried to live by and in accordance with guidance greater than the personality self.  (funny enough, Rosie and i had the same b-day, Jan. 8th). 

 

goobygirl:

If you want my one cent ;), I don't know if all souls return to God. Some sources say they do, some don't, such as when Bruce Moen wrote about lost souls. If unfriendly beings can make it so more souls are lost, well, then certainly these unfriendly beings need to be stopped. It isn't just a matter of what benefits us, it is a matter of what benefits others.

Even if all souls do eventually return to God, certainly it is best to minimize the amount of suffering they go through before they return.

I understand suffering is sometimes a part of the path, but I doubt circumstances such as children who are forced into prostitution are a part of what is needed in order for souls to return to God. If anything, the trauma they go through might slow their progress.

I am suddenly questioning the 'value' of all things (1 cent, 2 cents, 3) and am reminded of a phrase from a movie (Humphrey Bogart):

“Ilsa, I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world”

Casablanca

B2:

Thank you for your four cents. Pretty soon an accountant is going to need to keep track of this thread.

I thought of some more to say, don't want to say too much, but what the hay, I started this thread.

Regarding apathy, the light beings I communicate with most certainly aren't apathetic about what is going on this world. They are very serious about making things better and need our help. They don't say, "it's just an illusion, so don't worry."

When it comes to a future world, if the human population is decreased significantly and tribes of people are formed, unless people want to repeat the same mistakes, it will have to avoid forming societies that are based upon self appointed spiritual leaders.

Look what happened with Mormanism. Joseph Smith first got a few people to follow him as an authority figure, and before you knew it millions of people believe according to what he said. How many of these people voted for a president that started an unnecessary war?

In a future world cult like communities lead by self appointed enlightened ones might come to be, if people don't allow themselves to seriously question the claims of such gurus, preachers, whatever. One needs to be warry of the side shows they put on in order to look legitimate. This is a common tactic of people who deceive.

I figure that in an ideal community spirituality won't need to be institutionalized, and people will be more self sufficient. We don't need another person to enable us to open our heart to God's love. It is "REALLY" wrong for a person to tell others that they need he or she in order to open up to God's love. Historically, this is what the guru tradition is all about. Why would an honest person want to claim to be such a person?

Justin,

The "stuckness" you speak of while being projected is clearly a part of this experience. Fully agree that pain isn't the only forward though, but who's to say why unprojected selves experience what they do? Doesn't make sense that projected selves are to dictate that. Wish for a better future, well, good for you and those you may help out.

Not claiming that this is an illusion, and as incarnations we get the whole spectrum of the in your faceness of it. But the dungeon sense of it is waaay too harsh for me. And so with total death which you mentioned in another post. I don't care who states that, for me, winking out of a particular focus means just that.

Karma needs being worked out. Light revenge imo, and a incarnation/projected perspective.

PUL/PUUL. Still amused by unconditional, as the un is unnecessary if it's about love reserved for "good/nice" people.

As for your last part, it's nice to be nice, but even better to ditch the polarity commands. I see you've learnt a little bit about fire yourself, observe many of the predictable responses you'll get. - A positive change will happen for all. Help is all around, but many/most steps are one's own though. Saving in my book more times than not have an element of force to it.

Justin;

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On a personal level, i would prefer not to spend time writing and communicating about a subject that i know ahead of time that the majority will not agree with or appreciate.   I rarely write posts here anymore for lack of interest and other reasons, but i feel this is a very important issue and if i make just one person interested enough in seeking their own guidance more directly about this issue, then i will not have spent my time in vain.  The more who are aware of these issues, and who are acting as solutions, the better it will be for all involved.  Passivity is not a wise option on this one and i wish others who can get clear info from guidance would seek out answers about this issue and share what they receive.

Justin;
Don’t sell yourself short here, fellow seeker/traveler.

Your posts are more than welcome here on the board and wish you post more often.

When you start receiving PM from members and no-members alike that a thread is worth reading, means someone is rocking the boat.:)

If it shocks members so be it. Maybe that what we need, a wake-up call.
Yours and Recoverer do that impo, they make you Think and give your own guidance a different perspective to follow, it’s up to the individuals to accept or reject, that is the point isn't?

To many of our members/past and present had others making fun of, judging and slyly Belittling (your own word, in a previous post, so proper, I like it) by others that they don’t post anymore, they are involve but not in the open, they are tired of being ridicule by those that don’t care/believe or have their own agenda or no clue.

Changes will happen, slow or fast it will.

Thank you Recover and Justin for posting, your outlook is refreshing.

PUL
R.

Thank you Romain.

Think of it this way, a kid is being beaten by one of his parents. Certainly it wouldn't be wrong for some people to get fired up about helping this kid.

A lot of kids are being beaten in this world and many other negative things are taking place, on some occasions due to unfriendly influences.

So if people get fired up a bit rather than just waiting for everything to take care of itself, perhaps less kids will get beaten, etc.

What would people think of people who just stand by as a child is beaten? Are there reasons for which people incarnated into this world that relate to helping out? Are there people such as false gurus who interfere with this process? If we want to accomplish what we intended to accomplish before incarnating, it benefits us to not get caught up in the many traps that exist.

If one wants to help light beings with unfriendly beings that exist, there are ways to do so. It is unreasonable to expect light beings to have to repeatedly bring down their energy level so they can interact with this world and lower energy levels. I'm speaking of circumstances that are similar to why people need to help with retrievals. We can make an energetic connection to light beings and help out. If we look for such a being in the wrong place we won't make a connection. Instead we'll allow some self serving whatever get in our way.

recoverer wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 4:42pm:

Thank you Romain I'm speaking of circumstances that are similar to why people need to help with retrievals. We can make an energetic connection to light beings and help out. If we look for such a being in the wrong place we won't make a connection. Instead we'll allow some self serving whatever get in our way.

Recoverer;
Can't agree more in what is said here.
Yes, we can make a connection to light beings and help.
You're welcome. ;)

Thank you very much Romain for writing that.  It means a lot to me. 

  I do feel i need to tone down my sometimes over Yangness/Fire energy.  Not always easy when one has Leo Rising with ruling Planet, Sun, trine Mars Jupiter CON and born near Solar Perihelion. 

  Just throw some Water on me every once in awhile. 

Hey Y'all,

In all my own 1000+ oobes...  (conscious)

.... I've never met any of these "reptilians"

Guess I wasn't invited to that "How-Do!"

My take is: we are all "aliens" (non-physical beings)
before we come to incarnate in this most wonderful & unique place. Once we incarnate? We gain the Human Experience. (just my own opinion)

The topic of this thread got me interested in checking w.t.f y'all are talking about for myself... once the talk got rolling ya know....

B.T.W.

This website is designed for you to find your own answers. That is it's primary function. EVERYTHING that ANYONE posts...

is part of their very own & very special belief system.

ONLY TAKE INTO YOUR OWN HEART, the ANSWERS that YOU HAVE VERIFIED  FOR YOUR VERY OWN SELF ( at least more than twice)

My name is Tim Furneaux.

I'm not selling anything.

That's a good point, find your own answers. I tried to find my own answers by communicating with light beings, and found out that unfriendly aliens exist and are interacting with this world, and earth changes are going to happen.

Of course I could just keep this to myself. Perhaps the internet should be taken down if there is no need to communicate with each other.

Regarding lots of OBEs, many people have had them, yet they didn't run into Jesus. I on the other hand, along with other people, was curious about him, and made contact. I found that he isn't just a rumour the twisters of history came up with.

Perhaps people don't find out about things they don't want to find out about. Perhaps the spirit world doesn't want to have to twist their arms in order to get them to take a look. Nevertheless, what's true is true, regardless of what people try to find out.

Griffin doesn't know what I and others have experienced well enough to know if we are dabling in belief systems. Perhaps he hallucinated his OBEs.

  Hey Tim/Griffin,

I completely agree with you. It's my hope that people here will seek their own guidance on this issue. 

  I suspect the reason why more people aren't aware of this issue is because the nature of this game.  I think one has to transform and regenerate a lot of fear before guidance will make them consciously aware of such issues.

   Once you start openly talking about stuff like this, you start making yourself a target, and for many humans there is a fear factor involved in such situations.  Becky and i have gotten specific guidance which indicated the above to us, and i've read it from others.  Check out Brown's info in the 2nd book, and it goes beyond that and includes more material-human sources and influences. 

I've already have told my Total self/guidance, the Co-Creator/Planning Intelligence, and Source that i am willing to go through anything to act as a channel for positive change  in this world. 

  Anyways, guidance is selective about what it tells individual personalities depending on various factors, where that person is spiritually, their specific needs, what's most helpful for them, how much challenge and testing they can take in this world, how much fear energetic is within them,  etc. 

  Tis not a black and white issue by any means. 

Justin,

Thanks for explaining the #2 reference and your sign. I know a little of astrology, and my birth chart is Sun Scorpio, Moon Taurus, Aquarius Ascendant.

Oh and January 8 is my maternal grandfather's birthday, and Elvis's. LOL

I'm chilled out about it all. If I understand what you are saying, the way to prevent these ETs is to raise your spiritual awareness. Is there anything else you suggest  that I missed?

  To Goobygirl: I think that is a good approach, to be chilled out about it. 

I'm not fearful or worried about this situation, but i do feel a kind of detached sense of urgency if that makes any sense.  It's a similar feeling that i've gotten in certain guidance messages about needing to up the ante on my own spiritual attunement.

  I think raising our spiritual awareness will help with things, but not necessarily completely prevent the actual latter war (i'm not sure about this one way or another).  But it does help us from being personally manipulated meanwhile and that in itself is VERY important. 

  It might sound silly to some, but i've been feeling much more clear and intune since i have consciously asked for help from that Being (or collective of Beings--not sure which) which has been called Arch Angel Michael.   This Being (or collective) is powerful enough to easily deflect and shield any human from any psychic meddling from this group. 

  I also had an interesting coincidence with a better intuitive that some here know--her name is Lynn.  It's funny, but in her write up to me about her reading for me, she wrote about a very powerful Being named Michael and how "he" (more an "It") was helping me. 

The synchronistic part is that just the day before i got that write up, i had been thinking about this particular issue and this particular Being in relation to this issue.  I hadn't mentioned this to her before.  (In her reading, she also mentioned hindering/misleading E.T. influences). 

  Thank you for sharing some of your astro stats as well.  Got a lot of power/Fixed Sign stuff going on! 

  And yeah, like i've said before, awareness of these issues is a help unto itself, and like Tim and others have stated, it's important to seek and get ones own guidance on this or any issue. 

  But the catch 22 with guidance is that there are more ideal conditions and less ideal conditions to seek and receive guidance under.  One shouldn't open up self willy nilly as they say. 

For me, i've found it helps specifically to remember and tune into feelings of love and gratitude during a mediation, and then i state to Disk self, Source, etc. something like, "I deeply desire & ask to attune only to the most spiritually loving, helpful, creative, and universal forces and energies.   I deeply desire and ask for only their guidance and help."   

Often times i also use this in conjunction later after i've gone deep within, "Please bring to my conscious awareness that which would be most spiritually helpful for my spiritual growth and developement and in my impact (or affect) on the Whole." 

  It's a method i've found that helps me most (i still sometimes use Toning in conjunction, as i'm a "Gateway graduate" of TMI Faber, VA).   

Really the most important part is the love and gratitude feeling and tuning in part, but specific intentions and affirmations like the above also can really help. 

  In Bob Monroe's earlier days with his explorer team at the lab, they had a lot of people going OBE, etc., but it wasn't until Bob formulated his Gateway Affirmation, and had the explorers use it, that the explorers started to run into Helpers and guidance energies, which of course really helped all of them so much in so many ways. 

  Sometimes one has to specifically ask for help and guidance in order to receive it.  It's kind of the whole, "ask and ye shall receive" like attracts and begets like principle. 

  Hi there again Tim,

I doubt i will be back in CA anytime soon, but thank you for the invite.  If things happen to change, may very well take you up on the offer. 

Btw, i got your "LORD!" innuendo.  What can i say except that it's somewhat common for people to think they know more about another human being they haven't ever met in physical with, than they really do. 

  I know, because i've made this mistake too many times myself (and still occasionally do). 

  Tim, your recent message/reply to me just up and disappeared? 

Yeah, I realised I should have sent it as a pm and not clutter up the thread with off-topic posts. I knew you were on-line & had read it so I zapped it into the ether!

Gonna delete this post after you get a chance to read it.


Carry on!

Tim

Romain,

"To many of our members/past and present had others making fun of, judging and slyly Belittling (your own word, in a previous post, so proper, I like it) by others that they don’t post anymore, they are involve but not in the open, they are tired of being ridicule by those that don’t care/believe or have their own agenda or no clue."

Complain on similar note to the complaint. Good one! It's nice to put PUL next to one's name, the emperor's clothes looks dashing, but throw a keyboard into the mix and even that is too hard of a challenge. If this shocks you so be it. Perhaps all you need is a wake-up call. It's cool though, unconditional isn't an alien invading the earth, but at least it's clearing the way. Getting the other chin red and meekness inheriting the earth are mantras of obedience - obey, no matter what. It could be the drama of human becoming is like that of altar boys, it's supposed to be about beautiful singing, but this time around the truth is that we as incarnations are toys of enslavement. Though, the best slaves are the ones who think they are free, thinking one is a slave when one's not is on the same page.

I figure we'll become associated with what we chose to become associated with. If we associate with a being, or beings, or level of being, that lives completely according to love and seeks what benefits all in the most wonderful way, and we seek the same, we should be alright. When such a relationship is formed it isn't a matter of obedience, it is a matter of being committed to the same thing.




Volu wrote on Jul 8^th, 2010 at 1:33pm:

Romain, "To many of our members/past and present had others making fun of, judging and slyly Belittling (your own word, in a previous post, so proper, I like it) by others that they don’t post anymore, they are involve but not in the open, they are tired of being ridicule by those that don’t care/believe or have their own agenda or no clue." Complain on similar note to the complaint. Good one! It's nice to put PUL next to one's name, the emperor's clothes looks dashing, but throw a keyboard into the mix and even that is too hard of a challenge. If this shocks you so be it. Perhaps all you need is a wake-up call. It's cool though, unconditional isn't an alien invading the earth, but at least it's clearing the way. Getting the other chin red and meekness inheriting the earth are mantras of obedience - obey, no matter what. It could be the drama of human becoming of late is like that of modern altar boys, it's supposed to be about beautiful singing, but this time around the truth is that we as incarnations are toys of enslavement. Though, the best slaves are the ones who think they are free, thinking one is a slave when one's not is on the same page.

Tim:

In some ways I need to relax, in some ways I need to become more intense.

Perhaps we can get together, but not this weekend.  I need to work on my site some more.


Griffin wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 11:08pm:

Albert... ( relax ) Jeezus Man... you live close enough to me...  come over to my house and visit. Seriously.... I invite you to my house. (my name is...) Tim Furneaux

Recoverer,

"I figure we'll become associated with what we chose to become associated with. If we associate with a being, or beings, or level of being, that lives completely according to love and seeks what benefits all in the most wonderful way, and we seek the same, we should be alright. When such a relationship is formed it isn't a matter of obedience, it is a matter of being committed to the same thing."

Is an alien invasion repelled by living completely according to love?

There is the viewpoint that if the vibratory rate of this planet increases to a significant degree, unfriendly beings couldn't handle it. Not unless they wanted to change to a loving way of being.


Volu wrote on Jul 8^th, 2010 at 1:45pm:

Recoverer, "I figure we'll become associated with what we chose to become associated with. If we associate with a being, or beings, or level of being, that lives completely according to love and seeks what benefits all in the most wonderful way, and we seek the same, we should be alright. When such a relationship is formed it isn't a matter of obedience, it is a matter of being committed to the same thing." Is an alien invasion repelled by living completely according to love?

"There is the viewpoint that if the vibratory rate of this planet increases to a significant degree, unfriendly beings couldn't handle it. Not unless they wanted to change to a loving way of being."

Have you gotten any messages on the specifics about how such beings couldn't handle a raising of the vibratory rate?

Making a comparison, WWII, if people refused to be soldiers that'd make sense. But a group that is even fiercer, physically & technologically superior, I am thinking, warm embraces or loving thoughts wouldn't stop an invasion.

I haven't received any specific messages about it, but it sure makes sense to me that they couldn't handle it, similar to how spirits go to spirit realms according to how they vibrate.

When it comes to the messages I received about this world reaching a higher energy level, it is hard to imagine that lower vibrating beings would be a part of it.



Volu wrote on Jul 8^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

"There is the viewpoint that if the vibratory rate of this planet increases to a significant degree, unfriendly beings couldn't handle it. Not unless they wanted to change to a loving way of being." Have you gotten any messages on the specifics about how such beings couldn't handle a raising of the vibratory rate? Making a comparison, WWII, if people refused to be soldiers that'd make sense. But a group that is even fiercer, physically & technologically superior, I am thinking, warm embraces or loving thoughts wouldn't stop an invasion.