Think the end of the world is coming in 2012?

Do you think something is going to actually change in 2012?

Well, think again.

Over 220 failed predictions of the end of the world:

http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

Over seven of them from Jehovah's Witnesses. (you know those Jehovah's Witnesses... the time of the resurrection is almost at hand and is going to happen ANY second now!!!) So join us now and...

Be SAVED! You too can live on Earth and be ruled over by the 144,000 kings and queens which will reside in heaven!

The last of the anointed is about to die.....!
God stated in the bible that the resurrection and judgment will occur before the last anointed dies! Yes my friends - this is it... for REAL this time! Please visit your local Kingdom Hall and JOIN US you ZOMBIE FOOLS!!! FEAR DEATH!

FEEL THE FEAR!!!!! You must do God's word! You must go door to door. Failure to do so is failure to do God's will as it is written in the bible.


(P.S. This topic is a perfect example as to why all religion should be considered highly questionable.)

::stands on a street corner holding a sign which reads "The END is near!!!!::

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Do you think something is going to actually change in 2012?

Hell, yeah. I'll get myself a new pair of pants; mine will be falling apart by then.

Where's that hate coming from? You sound very frustrated. Are people in your area trying to force their beliefs on you?

take care,
Vagabound

Vagabound,

"Where's that hate coming from? You sound very frustrated. Are people in your area trying to force their beliefs on you?"

Not everything that burns is hate.

Jehovah,

I've also noticed the great number of failed predictions. Come hell or high water, I don't give a shit. The body will drop dead sooner or later. Btw, saw an interesting documentary on the subject of fear of death some days ago - flight from death: the quest for immortality http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365215/.

Hate? Naw man. IF anything I hate the general concept of jumping on the bandwagon on the latest end of the world fad.

The real problem is... there are tons of web sites about 2012 and how people need to believe in Satan, Enki, Jehovah, and even other strange things including aliens and people are filling this web sites and forums and saying I believe! I believe! Just makes me a little upset because it's RAMPANT. I mean there must be a few hundred or more forums alone filled with all kinds of doom-sayers proclaiming what you need to worship and do to survive 2012.

Drives me a little nuts is all!  :D

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I mean there must be a few hundred or more forums alone filled with all kinds of doom-sayers proclaiming what you need to worship and do to survive 2012. Drives me a little nuts is all!

Poeple need a little drama in their lives, it's what keeps us going. The brain needs problems to solve so if we don't have any problems, or don't like ours, we have to create new ones.
Nowadays we won't be entertained by the blue-skinned man in the circus, we need more than that.

Everybody's got something that they're really excited about; in either a positive or negative way.


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The real problem is... there are tons of web sites about 2012 and how people need to believe in Satan, Enki, Jehovah, and even other strange things including aliens

There are also tons of websites about knitting (seriously!), song lyrics or raising kids;  what you find depends on what you're looking for. Personally I like that there's something for everyone on the web. I've found people who've had the kind of experiences I had; without the web and everybody speaking out their mind freely, that wouldn't have been possible.

take care,
Vagabound

"...Leonid Breszhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Banks, birthday party, cheese cake,  jelly bean, boom, it's symbiotic, patriotic, slam, bump, bam, right? Right!  Its the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine..." ...sorry, waiting on a client...

Just because a guy is able to come up with a list of false predictions, this doesn't mean that true predictions haven't been made.

There is also the matter of nothing being fixed in stone, and quite often people are sent spirit messages about things that might happen, with the hope that they will play a role in getting things to change for the better.

Doesn't it make sense that divine beings would try to warn some people about possible future negative events so they can do something to change them?

I go by what my spirit guidance tells me because I know they can be trusted, and they sent me numerous messages stating significant change like things are going to happen in the near future (I figure they already started).

I don't believe the end of the world is coming, but significant changes are.

I received about 8 messages stating that something significant is going to happen during October of this year. We'll see. I think I'll try to be prepared.

Sometimes  people get into this end of the world thing because they believe the book of revelations is futuristic. A number of scholars believe Revelations applied to the time period in which it was written. Therefore, it is a mistake to try to figure out what is going to happen in the future by what Revelations says.

Sources that seem most reliable to me state that a lot of difficulty is going to take place, but in the end things will work out for the best, because this world is going to be transformed into a very positive place.

It sure needs to be transformed because it has way too many problems.

If we have to go through some very difficult times in order for things to change, this is okay, because sacrifices people make during this generation will enable future generations to have a much better way of life.

I believe it is possible that many souls volunteered to incarnate into this world even though they knew there would be difficulties, because they wanted to help out. Perhaps some of them were quite eager to help out and be a part of moving the world into a much more positive direction.  :) :) :)

Well, if my family and I can survive, all the change is welcome and we sure will work for the best.

Otherwise, the funny thing about this particular fad is that people will actually be able to say "Oh, the end of the world did not happen because we had this conscious convergence" - that`s a new one :).

I think I am going to buy christmas presents for 2012, because my kids sure would hate it if I said on Christmas Eve "Sorry, I thought the world would be destroyed" ;)

Jokes aside, I wish I had spirit guides to speak to me, I sure would need it.

recoverer wrote on May 20^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

I go by what my spirit guidance tells me because I know they can be trusted, and they sent me numerous messages stating significant change like things are going to happen in the near future (I figure they already started). I received about 8 messages stating that something significant is going to happen during October of this year. We'll see. I think I'll try to be prepared.

Hey recoverer, can you be more specific about your statements? That was a very serious affirmation.

Can you say us what is your "spirit guidance?

And what kind of changes will happen? Some cataclysm?

Those predictions were made for church gain mostly. This is a promise, not a prediction. This dream will end in either 2011 or 2012 for many...not for all. Some will enjoy the cast party as their character and others will continue to toil as their character because they didn't learn that They ARE God. God is all. Every THING. Shem is not separate from anything and that includes Lucifer.
Call God by any name and it is still God. I like Jodie. So there stick that in your preconceived pipe and smoke it Jehovah of which you SEEM to know very little. Choose you moniker wisely for while Zeus has a sense of humor he can get a little testy at times. Good luck y'all. This is only my opinion as always.

Yours,
ouiRone 107
BEaU

Hi Jehovah, it sounds like you resent some of the commercialism of the 'hype' about these various arguments for and against a 'special' end time 'right around the corner'. I share some of that, but this 'dazzling array' is evident everywhere, in every category, and you do have the choice to be amused, defiant, or compliant. Or, you can simply take it all in, and separate from you what you accept and don't accept, as if every thing is a gift of some kind. We don't always like the gifts we are given, do we?

Something changes in an irrevocable way every second. A mighty, incomprehensible change -- there it goes -- just happened. So, the way I see it, it is up to you. It's going to be an interesting ride.

There is no PLACE...Like OM. that will help get through the possible turbulence of 2012 or whatever they want to call it. Mayan = Man, with a southern accent.

Hello Sergio:

Sorry for the late response, I haven't visited the internet for a few days.

Regarding who my spirit guidance is, I mean the friendly spirit beings I’ve made contact with. I figure their names probably aren’t important. Going by some of the experiences I’ve had while in contact with them and the nature of their communications, I believe they are beings who abide in a higher realm.

Regarding the October 2010 messages I received, first of all, I received several October 2010 messages without specific details.

One time I asked for details and first I was shown an image which I believe means the world is going to be turned upside down (figuratively), I was shown an image of a man pole vaulting (could be a symbol for mankind ascending), and then something about dolphins (I can’t remember the details).

I’ve also received messages while awake which suggested that negative things are going to happen in this world, but I don’t know if October of this year is the time. It is also possible that I’m being told of possibilities that can change for better or worse, according to how mankind manifests.

One example of a negative image is when I found myself in what seemed to be the Pacific Ocean (non-physically), the water was very active and headed towards California. Then I was shown images of something with black trails shooting towards the earth and causing destruction. I’m not certain what these things were, perhaps solar flares.

Regarding the flood imagery, I’ve had three dreams where floods took place in this world, and they were accompanied by unfriendly beings of some sort. Some people chose to fight, some chose to hide (they survived, the unfriendly beings didn’t), and they played a part in creating a positive future for this planet.

One time I asked my guidance if unfriendly aliens/beings would attack this world, and I was shown an image of Captain Picard from Star Trek with a concerned look on his face.  Some people might consider this a joke, but because my spirit guidance tends to communicate to me with symbolic visual images and short waking dreams rather than words, I believe they presented this image because they knew I would understood what the meaning is, rather than it being a case of their making a joke.

On another occasion I found myself in a room with Captain Picard and others, he asked for help with a problem that is taking place, and Counselor Troy responded with concern (a symbol for a compassionate approach to what is going on).

It would be difficult to share all of the messages I received, but some recent messages go along with the pole vault message above, mankind is going to ascend to a higher level of being. For example, recently I started to read a book about edible plants just in case a survival situation develops. When I received messages this morning, I was first shown the cover of this book. It was moved out of the way and replaced with a smaller book with a cover that had a shade of blue that is similar to the shade of blue on the cover of Bruce Moen’s third book. At first I couldn’t tell what this message means, but it is very possible that Bruce’s talk of changes was referred to.  Bruce wrote that PUL (pure unconditional love will be sent into this world so it can rise to a higher level).  Perhaps the same thing was being referred to. Also, a thumb from a right hand was on the right side of the book that was shown, and I believe this was a way of saying that things are going to change for the better. Again, probably not an obvious symbol, a part of the symbolic language that has been developed.

Recently I read the below from Ned Dougherty’s book “Fast Lane to Heaven” which is about his near death experience.  Amongst other things, this information was communicated to him by a being he referred to as “the Lady of White Light (from page 256):

“A global Spiritual Awakening. This event will be unparalled in the history of humanity. It will be a worldwide spiritual and supernatural event that will be experienced by each and every individual soul living on the face of the Earth. Throughout the world, each individual soul will experience an inner awareness of the reality of God, Our Creator. Each and every person will experience a review of his or her own life and ask, “What have I done to show love of God, love of my neighbor, and love of self? What have I done to be of service of mankind?”

I asked for a confirmation of such changes taking place, and I was shown an image of a man with a black leather coat, and he held it up in the wind. I believe the man represented any person who is manifesting in a negative way, his black coat represented his soul essence, and the wind represented spirit (the light) cleansing his soul. If my interpretation sounds questionable, all I can say is that I’ve received thousands of spirit messages, and eventually you develop a symbolic way of communicating. Not that I always interpret the messages I receive accurately.

Thank you for your answer recoverer.

I just read what Bruce Moen says about earth changes in his book Voyages Into The Afterlife.

Here are two passages of the book about this theme:

Can you give me any information about the Big Plan for the Earth? You know, near future stuff?”
“In general the earth’s near future is preparation for large population reductions. This will reduce human impact on the Ecosystem. There’s been a steady build up of too many time/event line crossings which are driving toward Ecosystem collapse.”
“What makes these population reductions necessary? Isn’t there another way?”
“First, let me say the reductions are due to many forces coming together which by their nature lead to such reductions. Don’t get the idea that someone has decided to exterminate large numbers just because it would be better for the Ecosystem. But, ecosystem recovery will be easier since there will be fewer resource consumers. Humans are by far the biggest consumers, so population reductions in that segment will have the biggest Ecosystem benefit.”


“Information from my first contact at the Gathering indicated that the Big Show, as Bob Monroe called it, is an alignment of the Earth Core Crystal with a very distant object. I understood this intergalactic alignment would make a connection which would bring the energy of this distant object into the earth’s nonphysical environment.
…the energy this alignment brings in will be the energy of Love, Pure Unconditional Love energy.”


So here are two things: a large population reduction and the flowing of Pure Unconditional Love energy.

But when will it happen this event?
Is this related with all the 2012 stuff?
Or they are two separate things that has nothing to do?

It's only going to effect Characters. I don't see it taking a toll on The Actor/Angel selves. Get in touch with yours would be my advice. Listen to GOD by John Lennon. It sure woke me up. Stop believing and KNOW. That is the best advice I can give..and as always it is my humble opinion....AlltheworldsastageandallthemenandwomenmerelyplayerstheyhavetheirexitsandtheirentrancesandONEmaninhisTIMEplaysMANYparts. Who is that one man? Does it matter? Isn't the important thing that we exist. We Are for "I am" says so. Consciousness is fundamental and forever...history and future will prove me right on this. I am certain. And while I'm spewing forth if you would like to read my 90 page HUGE typed e-book just send me an email to paiden144@gmail.com and I will send it to you for free, as everything should be.

Yours,
Beau/bo

I believe the difficult things that are going to happen and the positive changes are connected.  The difficulty level will be partly dependent upon how mankind responds to the need for change. If everybody chose to live according to love, a lot of difficulty wouldn't be needed.

When is hard to say. I figure the changes will be a process that will take a number of days.  As I said before, going by what I received, October of this year will be a key month.

I've been provided with clues and I'm trying to figure it out. It is hard to be certain about all of the precise details. Perhaps they aren't fixed in stone.

i would vote for fixed but perhaps unknowable at this time.

I vote for putting more trust in the fact that, if a loving being drives this universe, "she" is not going to wipe out millions just to free up some space for improvement :)

interesting to consider that humans who live in more "primitive" conditions, surviving on the land, are probably better equipped to deal with a major change such as many predict than we who are totally dependent on the developed world infrastructure.  What will we do when Starbucks (or, in my case, Peet's), the ATM, the supermarket, the internet, etc. aren't there to serve us?  Is it too late to "go back to the land", ala the '60s?

What 10 books would you want to have with you after the change? 
What 10 things would you want to have to start your new life with?
What 10 people would you want to be left to create a new world with?

chrwe wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 12:44am:

I vote for putting more trust in the fact that, if a loving being drives this universe, "she" is not going to wipe out millions just to free up some space for improvement :)

But what if "wiping out millions" is necessary?  Modern science seems to think it has occurred before.  If we have an eternal soul (and cannot really die) and as the incarnate population of the earth we have made a hash of the entire situation, then elimination of the population, although amazingly horrific to us as that recalcitrant population, may be the best big picture solution, for us, for the earth and for our future incarnations.  It's like cutting off a gangrenous limb...save the whole by sacrificing a portion...it's not a lack of love, rather a sacrifice intended to salvage the untainted.   

I believe we are part of that loving being, and if "she" sees anihilation as an answer, I'll trust whatever she decides...not that I think she'll ask me and my level of control of these things is as of yet underdeveloped!

Oh, and I do not believe in cataclysm enveloping the earth in 2012...

I don't think anyone knows the time of the emergence of Homo-Luminous, but it's already happening. We will lose some characters perhaps because those characters are no longer profitable to the evolution of our ONE consciousness, but it won't be so bad really, I think. I Imagine (I"m a genie) that we will see a major shift in what's important to the new majority. After all in truth we are all acting our parts. The ones who know they are acting will know this is part of the great play and the ones who believe this is reality and not a dream will not be able to make the transition. Those who fear the great change will just not be able to make it. They have focused on themselves this whole time and now will pay a price for that. It's not about a belief in Jesus or God or Buddha or Krishna or whatever we can come up with to believe. It's about knowing you are immortal and that by living the Golden Rule only with no laws that infringe on that right we signed on with upon coming into this dream this dream can wake up and realize it's own reality.

I feel I am lucid most of the time now. I get caught up in the drama occasionally and just remind myself that this is a dream. I don't believe in anything but ME and YOU, because I know ouiRone. It's pretty simple...perhaps the cast party will be small. I just don't know, but I'm uncomfortable at large gatherings and rather hope for a small one where everyone recognizes each other even though the bodies are different. We will know we shared the stage with that person before the Garden was restored. I really like architecture particularly circular building. I don't see destroying anything just waking up to the full fledged Actor/Soul/Angel that pulls our strings and allows us free will to not live by the golden rule because they know the end of all that is fast approaching. The theatrical metaphor is just that, a metaphor, but it is the best way I can describe the process the character in this movie or play goes through to enlighten the Actor. If the Actor gets not what he wants from the situation then that character gets removed. We are so much more than our bodies and I know I'm preaching to the choir on this in many cases but I just thought I'd throw out a little stream of consciousness for you.

We ARE...period and always have been and always will be in all ways. Once you see that you realize that your are one with the father/mother God...but that God concept is really out dated now. We Are...is sufficient unless we cannot see it. A B C the E if G, Ashh. We are all indefinite articles ultimately. We are all the letters which makes each letter plural including I. Perhaps it would make the point better to put an S at the end of each letter, but it's not necessary when you understand. There is no duality within God. God is...period..I am exists and therefore I think about this too much perhaps.

Yours
Beau

I believe it is important to consider how many terrible things happen in this world, and how the human race keeps messing up the environment.

Unless we want future generations to have many suffering people as this generation has, then major changes need to take place.

As usetawuz said, our spirits don't die. There's a good chance many of us agreed to incarnate into this world even though we knew difficult change related events might take place. We knew that in the long run things will work out for the better.

recoverer wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 12:27pm:

There's a good chance many of us agreed to incarnate into this world even though we knew difficult change related events might take place. We knew that in the long run things will work out for the better.

There are more members of my soul group now incarnate than at any single time previously...they all want to be here for the show...whatever that is going to be.  My spirit guide won't tell me what will transpire but has said to be sure I pay attention because there won't be a preview or movie trailer...just start watching this summer.  He also said I should feel free to join in anytime! 

*spiritual humor*  Early on I asked my spirit guide what he looked like and I got an immediate startling mental impression of "American Gothic"...the bald farmer with glasses and a pitchfork with the dour wife standing alongside!  Then the man in the picture started laughing at me...I only felt a little sheepish.

Usetawuz:

My spirit guide doesn't show a human like image I can take seriously, because I figure he (?) doesn't have a body based appearance. The more I live according to love, the more I'll know what he is about. I feel him as love, peace and vastness, rather than see him.

There have been several times when Jesus made his presence known to me, but most of the time such identification doesn't take place. Probably because a being of love and light is a being of love and light, regardless of what name it is known by.

recoverer wrote on May 26^th, 2010 at 12:39pm:

My spirit guide doesn't show a human like image I can take seriously, because I figure he (?) doesn't have a body based appearance. The more I live according to love, the more I'll know what he is about. I feel him as love, peace and vastness, rather than see him.

My guide was joking around, but he sometimes takes the form of the last incarnation in which I knew him about five thousand years ago; tall, thin and courtly.  I can't see him visually, but he has been visible to several readers over the years.  Many years ago, before I was aware of him I intentionally inflicted what I thought was righteously earned payback and I heard (mentally) a voice inside say "Aaarrgh!" and I felt the frustration and an immediate, but brief impression of my victim's emotions.  I was embarrassed.  The next time the same opportunity arose (and it always does), I bit my tongue and let it go and the voice said "You got it!" and I felt a warm rush.  After being introduced by a reader, he brought to my mind the memory of those two incidents...I can feel his presence nearly all the time...sometimes more strongly than others.  Recently he has been telling me to keep doing what I'm doing, that I am playing my role in accordance with my plan, and don't mind him as he's just here to watch and to be entertained!  Great sense of humor, that guy!

On another occasion, I was pondering something and went into meditation going over the whole thing again.  I had come to one conclusion, but kept spinning it around in my head looking for any other possibility.  He came through with an image of a man carrying a two-by-four about three feet long, set it on a bar, took a drink from a cocktail, picked up the board, walked toward me and as he held one end in both hands, he lowered the other end onto the top of my head and I not only heard the bonk, I felt it!  He said "Get it?", walked back to the bar, set down the board, put his elbow on the bar while the other hand picked up his drink, crossed one foot over the other, toasted me and drank.  Point taken!   

usetawuz:

I'm not certain, but it sounds like your guide was suggesting that you lighten up and relax.

Your experiences with guidance sound similar to mine. For example, I'll spend time trying to figure something out, and guidance will provide a perspective. They definitely have a sense of humor.

On the one hand they say we need to be serious about things that are important, on the other hand they say we need to lighten up, in more than one way. ;)

Perhaps there should be a name other than "guide," because some people think that means being led around when it doesn't. Perhaps "spirit friend" is a better term.

Recoverer,  he was definitely telling me to chill out.  And you are right...we can go from seeing the ridiculous to stone cold seriousness more quickly than I can think...then again, he already knows what I'm thinking...

And instead of guide, maybe he should be called a nudge...at this point each thought of perspective, each "gut feeling", each sense of foreboding I get seems to be accompanied by his presence.

I did get a name...he told me I knew him as Simeon.

Pat E. wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 1:11am:

interesting to consider that humans who live in more "primitive" conditions, surviving on the land, are probably better equipped to deal with a major change such as many predict than we who are totally dependent on the developed world infrastructure.

Just saw this and the oil spouting out at the gulf for the past month comes to mind and I just heard on the radio they are going to try capping it off with some mixture and it's like a 50/50 chance it will work/fail. This leak has been going on for a WHILE and we are still trying to stop it.

We sure are great!

yeah and they just got their wish down there to have more oil platforms did they not? Drill baby drill has become Kill baby kill.

Honestly, It's pathetic!!! I am the first person to say humankind  is amazing and powerful and intelligent... don't get me wrong.....

BUT....

man have we messed up.

Don't lose hope. We will learn from this.

Why not, imagine a good outcome? How many times can we fail, after all? Aren't our odds actually better now, of success, even in the most minute way? Many experts have looked at this problem, which is more than a problem. Even a small success can make a big difference, in the long run. What else is left but patience?

Back to the initial topic, my mother is a Jehovah's Witness and I inquired about this and other crazy bible rules and she said that they are all the "old code" and that she can show proof that #1 the old rules don't need to be followed and #2 that there are new rules/codes in place in the bible.

I am kinda surprised of her claims that the bible explains this... and as she says explains it.... "clearly"

When I get the information from her I will post it here for everyone that wishes to hear it.

I for one am intrigued.

My understanding is the new code is following the Golden Rule only. No laws, but those who impose on another's free will will find out very quickly that they have done so. That was the way it was supposed to be in the first place. All the laws that have been set up under moses are laws that break the golden rule, but were written in an effort to impose the Golden Rule ...so I would be interested to hear what these new laws are. Of this is how I see it so no need to bombard me with reasons why the 10 commandments weren't Moses own idea.

That's logical. If you think about it why would a higher consciousness society/culture need imposed rules to stop people from hurting eachother - they would'nt anyway ! In my book as humans evolve spiritually rules wither away naturally.

heisenberg69 wrote on May 28^th, 2010 at 10:03am:

That's logical. If you think about it why would a higher consciousness society/culture need imposed rules to stop people from hurting eachother - they would'nt anyway ! In my book as humans evolve spiritually rules wither away naturally.

This is the key...when we each understand that what we think we create...just create what you want...good, peace, love, and light.

Okay here we go!

Firstly, I am not trying to be an a$$ about all of this, I am actually seeking answers and I am going to start by speaking a lot with my mother and her Jehovah's Witnesses at the kingdom hall.

I am here to be constructive, not bash the bible, but QUESTION it and attempt to make sense of it. So let's just be cool and talk about it. I admit I can get silly at times but I honestly would like to give the bible a chance for once and really look into it honestly. That said, I am now reading the bible and I decided to start with the new testament since I think it has more relevance because the new testament is more about the new code we are to follow instead of the old ways.

Well, the first book is Matthew and I couldn't even get through the second chapter before a confusion within the text hit me!

Matthew 2:20 (King James Version)

20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

Obviously, I have no issues with the above translated text. However, in the Jehovah's Witness translation....

Matthew 2:20 (New World Translation)

20 and said: "Get up, take the young child and it's mother and be on your way into the land of Israel, for those who were seeking the SOUL of the young child are dead.

My Issue: Well, oddly the only bible translation which uses the word SOUL is the Jehovah's Witness version. I have some major issues with this since we typically as a HUMAN RACE consider the soul to be a seperate entity from the body itself. This begs the question....

WHY use that word instead of life?

What strange ritual were these evil men going to perform which would be able to take Jesus's soul?

And, is it even possible to do such a thing... to God's son no less?

Why not just use the word LIFE to avoid confusion?

Jeeze Louise I can't make it very far without a second question LOL!!! (I am keeping a record of all of these as well and E-Mailing them to the Jehovah's Witnesses)

QUESTION TWO
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Matthew 4:24 (New International Version)

24 News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed, and he healed them.

My issue: Demon-possessed? Ok, what constitutes a person who is possessed by demons?
Is it still possible for people to be possessed by demons today?
Is demonic possession, in reality, just another word for mental illness?
How can mental illness be demonic possession when a person really just simply feels that way?
How do you determine, define, and understand the difference?

I would say that if you give strength to those aspects of yourself that believe in demons it is possible to BELIEVE you are possessed and certainly possible for someone outside of you...priest, religious friend to have such a belief because of the fact that you don't adhere to a standard of behavior consistent with what they'd like to see. Demons implies a belief in separation from "source". If you hold this belief then you are susceptible to whatever your mind can dream up, but it is still the mind. That's how I feel about it. There is only ONE actual thing and it appears to split into many but it is still illusion at the end of the long day. No room for true Duality of Good and Evil, The All simply IS.

When (what year) did the JW's re-write the bible? That could explain a lot of why they have decided to use the word "soul" in it instead of "life". Sometimes belief systems need to be transformed in order to adjust for new beliefs or in order to control their message easier.  Christianity is about saving "souls", not about saving "lives"? I think that the JWs changed "life" to "soul" because this child was to have been more that just a life. He was to have been the son of God. King of kings. Lives have always been easy to extinguish for any religion, and in my view basically all life meaningless to them. But the soul is to be saved in the name of the religion, and their view of God. To control it and own it. They have been extremely successful over the generations and perhaps many differant areas of the afterlife are filled with these entrapped souls. Except perhaps the JW's area. With only what,? 144 thousand or something like that getting in, there should be plenty of room to mill around. In their case, I feel somewhat sorry for everyone who isn't already there because they dont have a hope in hell of getting in. But perhaps thats the point. The desire to enter reinforcing the existance of the area its self?

Maybe Hawkeye. Perhaps the definition of soul was the same as life back in the day.... but today it's just not the same thing...

It's so hard for me to read this lol.

QUESTION THREE
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Matthew 5:22 (King James Version)

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

My issue: If I say raca #$%^ or @#$%-$#@! or mo $#@%@# etc. towards someone I am at the mercy of the supreme court.
but... If I call someone a "fool" that is punishable by going to hell? First of all that doesn't exactly sound completely fair. Secondly, I would be way more upset if someone called me raca/@#$% than if they called me a fool. I am a bit confused as this is new testament and is supposed to be relevent to life today.

Greetings yon venture earthlings.

   I think it all comes down to how you regard yourself in relation to the physical body. I agree with and I'm fully confident that the wise sages throughout history are totally correct in their statement that we are soul, but that soul has several bodies surrounding it. The physical body and the brain are the most dense, while the etheric body is one step lighter and the astral body lighter still.

   The soul plane goes beyond the physical, etheric, astral, and mind planes to being closer to God. That is who we really are. Soul incarnate in the physical is constantly under attack from the lower forces of nature. Jesus tried to teach this, but the people couldn't understand the concept in that era of time, so the deified him instead.

   The old testament was most likely influenced by an advanced race of beings passing themselves off as gods to manipulate the humans. Read ancient Sumerian to get a better idea of what really happened back then. Scholars found many rewrites in the old testament to earlier stories from ancient Sumeria, where Abraham first originated from.

Ralph

Ralph...when we have issues of veracity about written comments from 200 years ago*, how do we hold written documents over two thousand years old and older to a higher degree of authenticity?  The events described by the written word are subject to interpretation, to motivation, to perspective, to any number of human faults by the writer, the translator and the reader.  I take all of them with a grain of salt and evaluate them through my own belief system...some feel warm or resonate, while others range from "ok..." to "we'll see" to "waste of time".

(*-I've been researching the Thomas Jefferson papers and those who are going outside of any historical proof to "prove" Jefferson's paternity of several children through his daughter's house servant...a muck-raking political opponent made the allegation in 1800 and it has now grown legs by those with a miscegenation/mysogynation axe to grind.)   

Interesting to discuss, regardless.

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Ralph...when we have issues of veracity about written comments from 200 years ago*, how do we hold written documents over two thousand years old and older to a higher degree of authenticity?  The events described by the written word are subject to interpretation, to motivation, to perspective, to any number of human faults by the writer, the translator and the reader.  I take all of them with a grain of salt and evaluate them through my own belief system...some feel warm or resonate, while others range from "ok..." to "we'll see" to "waste of time".

Greetings usetawuz.

   The authenticity of the ancient Sumerian writings is unquestionable because the clay tablets that they are written on can be dated with the use of science. As far as interpretation goes, the stories may be mythology or factual accounts. I personally doubt that the tales of the Annunaki were just good old ancient science fiction stories to entertain the Sumerians and Babylonians.

   Here is a good website about Sumerian deities:
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html
For the sophistication of science, art, and all other advanced knowledge that they possessed suddenly from out of nowhere thousands of years ago, while claiming that sky beings gave them this knowledge, leaves me no reason to doubt the truth in what they report. I'm far from being the only one who is willing to believe what they wrote on those clay tablets to be authentic stories of what happened back then.

Ralph

Hi Ralph...I wasn't so much disagreeing with you as passing on my questioning of the new testament...its hard to change five thousand year old cuneiform tablets to say what one thinks should be said to influence and control others.  But this is another discussion, so suffice to say we are not too far apart.

Love and light...
Scott