Hi folks,
anyone know anything on this subject?
Carl Johan Calleman is the guy who's probably the world's leading expert and interpreter of the Mayan Calendar, and he writes about it here:
http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/Vision_for_ConsciousConvergence.htm

Now the point that is interesting/concerning is the '100th monkey' effect; in other words if insufficient numbers of folks join in with this then we won't make the transition and the human race will soon destroy itself. He says that we're at the tipping point and there's a choice of two ways to go.
Does this mean that we won't get to the point RAM describes in his books 3000 years hence when the entire race has got its act together and is going on to other dimensions.
Is that future only in potential or already written? (if you see what I mean?)

Best wishes,
David.

Hi David,

Notice how your second paragraph takes what's in the first paragraph at full face value?  :)  Have you heard previously of a 2010 deadline? 

Maybe Calleman is trying to help with the consciousness shift by setting up a deadline and using the Mayan calendar's noteriety as extra impetus?

It just makes me wonder --not in the wondrous sense, but in the suspicious sense  ;)

Bets

there are 3 (free) choices, David and Bets as I C it. You can go to fear you can go to PUL or you can go straight up the middle. think of it as a Y with a third line drawn right up the center of the Y draw a circle around it and turn it upside down...what do you have?

I was told by one well-versed in the 2012 convergence that the tipping point has already been met and we are now simply waiting for the time to pass, meanwhile picking up additional enlightenment and enlightened along the way.  So thats what I am manifesting...that and fifth dimensional relationship bliss!

As for the 100th monkey theory...I think that is just really cool...when a collective reaches a certain level of consciousness power, insight and realization becomes clear despite distance and direct contact...although it should not surprise me as I believe other aspects of the same theory and the fact that consciousness pervades everything. 

I read some study was done awhile back wherein a man had some cells removed and kept alive in a solution and removed many miles away.  They strung up both the man and his separated cells with sensory devices and stimulated him in some way measuring the responses both with the man and his separated cells and the cells recorded the same reaction he exhibited at the very same time...essentially no reactionary separation despite miles of physical separation.  I wonder if the old saw "we are all one" refers more to the consciousness of all things than simply on the soul level...it appears so. 

Hi Bets,
I've heard via Calleman and Barbara Hand Clow's site that the Mayan calendar completes on 28th August 2011, and not the oft quoted December 21, 2012 (just in time to end the collective hangover in England after the ruinous orgy that will purport to be the Olympics; who's  a cynic? Me!  ;D).   Both look at the subject of time acceleration (I think we can all agree time seems to be moving ever faster?) and getting back and rejoining the galactic community. I think Calleman's approach is to just look for what he perceives as the real message, and not rely on 2012 doom and gloom stuff.

If you look on both their sites they come up with some pretty compelling theories as a result of their studies and  work. However, in my more depressed moments (I have them occasionally!  :( :o :)) I just wonder if it's been a case of too little too late and that our future is anything but assured.
Obviously (maybe not obviously) if this earth life system fails we get to do it all over again elsewhere?
Does this link in with the Focus 34/35 gathering?
I don't know, that's why I'm asking you fabulous folks!

Best wishes as always,
David.
:)


betson wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 9:20am:

Hi David, Notice how your second paragraph takes what's in the first paragraph at full face value?  :)  Have you heard previously of a 2010 deadline?  Maybe Calleman is trying to help with the consciousness shift by setting up a deadline and using the Mayan calendar's noteriety as extra impetus? It just makes me wonder --not in the wondrous sense, but in the suspicious sense  ;) Bets

hey man,

I think our best situation possible is to focus on what's here and now. And take that ride when we get there. And it will be a stupendous ride I predict.

Listen to Around The Sun by REM sometime. I meditate to it sometimes. Very cool and insightful.

best and love,
Beau

The 100th monkey never happened. It was a theory...but not an actual event...just sayin'..

goobygirl wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

The 100th monkey never happened. It was a theory...but not an actual event...just sayin'..

...darn it...well, could a thousand monkeys with a thousand computers write Shakespeare's (Marlowe's) Sonnets in a thousand years?  Or is that just a theory, too?  Now I'm gonna hafta reoccupy the dunce chair in Don's New Age Ghetto...three steps forward, two back...at least I actually saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada in Trader Vic's...and his hair was perfect...    

I don't know who Carl Calleman is, but I agree with what he says about not just waiting around for things to change, we need to be active participants.

I believe it is a good idea to have designated days as raise consciousness days.

I haven't studied what the Mayans say, I go by the spirit messages I received.

I've received a number of messages stating that significant changes will happen this year, mainly in October and something in June. I recently received a message that something will happen in 2012. I guess it isn't a one event process.

Regarding the 100th monkey phenomena, I've read that that story isn't true; nevertheless, I've received messages stating that it does apply, without the 100th monkey phenomena being directly referrred to.

The messages stated that if enough people get to the point where they live according to love to a significant extent, it will effect and change this world vibrationally, and this will lead to a new and positive way of manifestation.

Regarding 3,000, in his book Descent into Death, Howard Storm speaks of an idealic way of life taking place in this world in a couple (or few) hundred years. He was surprised to see that rather than a super technological society existing in the 22nd (or 23rd) century, numerous small communities will exist, they will live according to spiritual principles, live in harmony with nature, healing will take place spiritually, people will be in contact with spirit realms of existence and alien beings, people will be able to travel anywhere by thought, and when they feel as if they lived in this world long enough, they'll leave the body they used without it having to die in some way.

Howard found it hard to believe that this world would be so wonderful so soon, but he was told this is what God wants and this is how it will be.

Or in other words, we don't have to wait until 3,000. :)

I'd like to add another point. Another thing that keeps this world down, is when caring people feel as if there is no hope for its welfare. Rather than adding a positive vibe to this world, they add a depressed vibe.

If they are able to determine that positive changes are going to take place, then even if these changes require us to first go through some difficult growing periods, they have a reason to feel positive. Therefore, they can contribute a positive vibration to this world.  Something I'm trying to work on. ;)

What a wonderful place this world would be if everybody lived according to qualities such as love and respect.

Amen, Albert. The hundredth Monkey is a metaphor, to explain collective consciousness. So in that respect it is true.

A year or so ago I read a non-metaphysical book, "The Chaos Point:  The World at the Crossroads" by Ervin Laszlo.  Based on a historical analysis of civilizations, Laszlo's theory is that the world goes through periods of great stability where making a significant change is very difficult.  But cyclically civilizations start to lose stability and approach a "chaos point" where it takes much less effort to effect significant change.  He believed around 2012 was such a chaos point so that as we get closer those on the side of good could more easily shift things - as could those on the side of evil.  But unless the forces of good (and I don't think I am using his terms here at all) exerted the effort, then the world was in for a fall.  Maybe a bit 100th monkeyish.  But no aliens, no Mayans - just us.  Well worth a read.  And well worth exerting the effort on the side of good, light, justice, compassion and all those positives.

yeah, Pat, I would say it's all down to us. We are under our own thumbs here. The Mayans and the monkeys are metaphors that symbolize a change. I don't  know if I would use the word evil. To me its more like fear and there are two sides to fear.: Those who are afraid they will perish and those who are afraid that this is all there is and can't see ON into the beauty that lies ahead.

recoverer wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 2:59pm:

The messages stated that if enough people get to the point where they live according to love to a significant extent, it will effect and change this world vibrationally, and this will lead to a new and positive way of manifestation. Regarding 3,000, in his book Descent into Death, Howard Storm speaks of an idealic way of life taking place in this world in a couple (or few) hundred years. He was surprised to see that rather than a super technological society existing in the 22nd (or 23rd) century, numerous small communities will exist, they will live according to spiritual principles, live in harmony with nature, healing will take place spiritually, people will be in contact with spirit realms of existence and alien beings, people will be able to travel anywhere by thought, and when they feel as if they lived in this world long enough, they'll leave the body they used without it having to die in some way. Howard found it hard to believe that this world would be so wonderful so soon, but he was told this is what God wants and this is how it will be. Or in other words, we don't have to wait until 3,000. :)

I have heard alot along those same lines...that there is to be a shift in dimension from the 3d to the 5th.  This would enable those who already understand how to live in harmony, with love and caring for each other and their world, to move into, or maybe create a society in which this is the norm as opposed to an ideal.  Some people I have talked to expect 2012 to be the shift point, and the collective consciousness has already reached its necessary tipping point.  I hope so...   

Pat E. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 1:29am:

A year or so ago I read a non-metaphysical book, "The Chaos Point:  The World at the Crossroads" by Ervin Laszlo.  Based on a historical analysis of civilizations, Laszlo's theory is that the world goes through periods of great stability where making a significant change is very difficult.  But cyclically civilizations start to lose stability and approach a "chaos point" where it takes much less effort to effect significant change.  He believed around 2012 was such a chaos point so that as we get closer those on the side of good could more easily shift things - as could those on the side of evil.  But unless the forces of good (and I don't think I am using his terms here at all) exerted the effort, then the world was in for a fall.  Maybe a bit 100th monkeyish.  But no aliens, no Mayans - just us.  Well worth a read.  And well worth exerting the effort on the side of good, light, justice, compassion and all those positives.

That makes alot of sense to me.  Is he the same author that wrote "The Akashic Field"?  Along the same lines in that it puts a current issue in a spiritual context, except in the Field, it is attempting to unite physics theories (relativity and quantum physics) with the concept of the Akasha, or the conscious ether that is part of everything.   

I hope it is the Tipping Point Albert, I truly do. And I think 10/28/11 will be the time when the shit hits the fan so to speak and people either get up and go or they stay down below. It's like a quickening. I love your posts both of you, Albert and Scott. I learn so much about who I am from reading them even if I disagree with certain things that to me are minor.

Yours,
Beau ;)

ustewuz, I just checked and it looks like it's the same fellow.  Wikipedia characterizes him and Ken Wilbur as both developing a theory of everything (TOE), much in the manner of "My Big TOE, by our beloved Tom Campbell.  I know Beau has his own TOE.  Maybe we should all pool our thoughts and do a group TOE. Or would too many feet spoil the broth?

So, Beau, why 10/28/11?  Couldn't you put it off awhile?  That's about the time I'm supposed to be moving into a soon-to-be-built co-housing project.  That sort of thing could make moving day a real mess!

Lol, I don't think it will be a mess for you at all Pat. It'll be like butter.  ;)

I've always kind of figured that the biggest disasters might be concentrated in areas with the most negative energy. There will always be collateral, and I really wish it didn't require bad things to occur in order to bring about change but at the same time I don't see many other options against the mass amount of ignorance and selfishness on this planet.

I've talked to a few people who have told me about them having apocalyptic dreams. My one and only lucid dream had an apocalyptic outcome in its conclusion back in 2007. The other night I had a dream that the sun turned completely red and it became apparent that this was the way the sun would remain from now on, and it flashed "2020" or at least thats what I remember seeing. I have no idea if it has any significance, but the sun turning red actually turned out to be a great thing. I felt very calm and happy and had come to realize this change meant a better world.

Superman came from a red sun...interesting.

All of my future impressions/dreams always seem to hold positive events and an improving world situation...I don't see how we can arrive there without some trial between now and then.  Like a friend said, "there is no testament without a test", and her impression was that there is going to be some testing going on between now and 2012.

Regardless, we are all here now because we wanted to play a part in whatever it is we will be facing...we all read the script and are playing our parts.   

Bingo Scott!

Pat E. wrote on May 1^st, 2010 at 2:21am:

ustewuz, I just checked and it looks like it's the same fellow.  Wikipedia characterizes him and Ken Wilbur as both developing a theory of everything (TOE), much in the manner of "My Big TOE, by our beloved Tom Campbell.  I know Beau has his own TOE.  Maybe we should all pool our thoughts and do a group TOE. Or would too many feet spoil the broth?

I guess it's time one writes a ToToE. A "Theory of Theories of everything". A good topic for a Phd doctorate.  ;)

Spooky

I saw a History Channel special on the Mayans and the date marking the end of the Mayan calendar.  The Mayan archaeologist pointed out that the Mayan descdendants themselves lament the Western New Age fuss about momumental changes on Dec. 21, 2012.  I have noted with amusement how many New Agers, fearing yet another decisive example of psychic woo woo, have backtracked and suggested that nothing dramatic or observable will occur on that date, but that an imperceptible change will begin to accelerate.  There is no limit to gullibility when the need for falsification tests is not respected.  The whole uproar is shades of the constant resetting of the date for Jesus' Second Coming, especially over the past 200 years.  When, once again, nothing observable happens, there will be one positive result: a further decline in the already dwindling public interest in New Age sensationalism.

Don

No limit to the gullibility of myth propagation either is there Don?

Any assessment of so-called biblical myth depends on one's familiarity with the evidence for historicity, that is, on the case for connections with eye witness testimony.  You lack the requisite familiarity with the field to do so in any sweeping way.  For example, you don't even know that biblical text that derives shortly after the Exodus.  Nor are you even aware of the evidence that connects Gospel testimony to the eyewitnesses.  Yet you continue to offer your vapid New Age pontifications with no evidence other than feel-good Beauistic resonance., Still, you embrace self-contradictory channeled materials, which can decisively be refuted when it can be historically checked out.  You are free to promote these ideas as well as your view that a particular dead classic rock star is Christ.  Why not Richie Valens instead?   Just be less dogmatic and don't let your Christian girlfriend catch a whiff of these eccentricities. 

Don 

Toto(e), I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

But will Kansas even be around to be in when it all comes down?  California almost certainly won't since we are so infested with New Agers and other loonies of the far out fringes.   8-)

I may be vapid Don, but I am willing to admit that. Unlike some who pontificate with no knowledge whatsoever of anything but mythology. I am far more well read than you could possibly imagine as you seem to lack very little imagination. The Bible story of Jesus is based on age old myth such Osiris and many others. The bible was written as a means to control a large population of "uppity" people. Prove me wrong sir, without using your fruit from the tainted tree of Christianity. Jesus was not a Christian nor was he trying to form just another church (Shh you are Shh). You can have your BuyBull for all time sir. But if you ever say that I don't know something because it does not meet your specifications I will point out how trapped you are in a religion that will never redeem you because you don't have to do the work for yourself. And sir is the truth. New age or no new age. I could care less. Best of luck to you, you bully.

Yours,

Beau

Thank you for saying that, Beau

Don
I don't understand you. You come here and say you are a scholar and a minister and yet you bring a feeling of hate here. I don't get it. You have so many interesting things to say and share and yet somehow it ends up coming out like clashing cymbals in the Idiot's Tale. It isn't the ideas, the concepts, the theories, Old Christian or New Age, that are transformative. It is something else.
We are all children here, seeking for something else. We may try on many ideas along the way. My experience shows me that if they are false for me, that usually comes to my attention sooner or later.
I wish you peace.
Lucy


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1 Corinthians 13: 1-13  Though I command languages both human and angelic—if I speak without love, I am no more than a gong booming or a cymbal clashing. And though I have the power of prophecy, to penetrate all mysteries and knowledge, and though I have all the faith necessary to move mountains—if I am without love, I am nothing. Though I should give away to the poor all that I possess, and even give up my body to be burned—if I am without love, it will do me no good whatever.     Love is always patient and kind; love is never jealous; love is not boastful or conceited, it is never rude and never seeks its own advantage, it does not take offence or store up grievances. Love does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but finds its joy in the truth. It is always ready to make allowances, to trust, to hope and to endure whatever comes.     Love never comes to an end. But if there are prophecies, they will be done away with; if tongues, they will fall silent; and if knowledge, it will be done away with. For we know only imperfectly, and we prophesy imperfectly; but once perfection comes, all imperfect things will be done away with. When I was a child, I used to talk like a child, and see things as a child does, and think like a child; but now that I have become an adult, I have finished with all childish ways. Now we see only reflections in a mirror, mere riddles, but then we shall be seeing face to face. Now I can know only imperfectly; but then I shall know just as fully as I am myself known.     As it is, these remain: faith, hope and love, the three of them; and the greatest of them is love.

[Beau:] "I may be vapid Don, but I am willing to admit that." Yes you are.  For evidence see below.

Beau: "Unlike some who pontificate with no knowledge whatsoever of anything but mythology."
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Unlike you, i never pontificate; I merely offer bibilical evidence (not proof) for eyewitness testimony and limited credibility.

Beau: "The Bible story of Jesus is based on age old myth such Osiris and many others."
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This statement proves that your reflection is vapid.  The myths you claim to have shaped the story of Jesus were unknown in first century Palestine where the Jesus lived.  So they could not be the basis of a Jesus myth, despite the many paralllels.  And you again display your pontificating ignorance of all  the connections with eyewirness testimony.

[Beau: "The bible was written as a means to control a large population of "uppity" people."
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The New Testament was written largely by people intensely persecuted by Jews and Romans.  Far from controlling, the early church was taught to return good for evil, blessings for curse, and love for hate.   

Beau: "Jesus was not a Christian nor was he trying to form just another church."
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Duh, provably wrong! Read e.g. Matthew 16:18-19 and 18:15-20.  I thought you said your claims are based on serious reading.

Don

I don't know what ther Mayan calendar says, but I know what the spirit messages I've received said.

Albert-

Regarding spirit messages, Ruth Montgomery (a rather famous medium in her day) had spirit guides who insisted that before the end of the 20th century, the earth would shift on its axis, bringing widespread devastation and deaths all over the world.

I personally think we need to keep in mind what Swedenborg warned us about.....namely, that there is a tremendous amount of deception in the afterlife.

Even discounting the possibility of deception, nothing is engraved in stone.  Things can change.  Predictions of the end of the world have been around for hundreds, maybe thousands, of years.

All I know for sure is that one day I will die. 

R

You're correct Rondelle, there is deception in the afterliffe.

I haven't read much of Ruth Montgomery, but gave up doing so because what I read didn't sound right.

When it comes to the spirits I've communicated with, sometimes an unfriendly spirit will try to send me some peanut gallery comments.

In fact, there have been occasions when it felt certain that I was communicating with a light being, I felt love, peace, vastness and divinity, and an unfrienly being managed to interfere with the communication for just a moment. When it would interfere I would feel this strong sense of hate.

It might seem odd that an unfriendly being could interfere in such a way, but we need to remember that we don't abide in a heavenly realm. We abide in a realm where a mixture of influences exist. If an unfriendly being becomes aware that a person communicates with spirits, it might try to interfere and make it hard for a person to figure out what's going on. It might try to disuade a person from continuing with the communications.

I figure that unfriendly beings shouldn't be allowed to have the final say, so I continue to keep the lines of communication open. I'd rather deal with the difficulty of figuring out who communications come from, than not communicate at all.

Because I chose to continue to do so rather than be detered by the unfriendly beings that tried to mess with me, I am able to provide spirit service that I other wise wouldn't be able to provide, and I have grown spiritually to a significant extent. I won't let some unfriendly beings get in my way. They win when we let them deter us.

Sometimes a bigger mistake is made when we don't try at all, as compared to when we try and make a mistake.

I believe you are right about nothing being engraved  in stone. But some possibilities are stronger than other possibilities.

Rondelle:

By the way,  I updated my post while you were on line, so perhaps you missed the last couple of paragraphs.

By the way, this is what Howard Storm had to say about the future in his book “My Descent Into Death.” It sounds quite new agey.  I believe it is possible that when it comes to being a spirit messenger, Howard Storm is a bridge from a fundamentalist way of thinking to a less fundamentalist  way of thinking, for those who will take the bridge. If you see how some people comment about his interviews on youtube, they think he’s in cahoot with satan, even though he is obviously very humble towards divine will, and even though he says things that are quite Christian (in some ways, more so than fundamentalists, such as “Jesus is a really nice guy”-Howard used different words). Anyway, here are Howard’s words (beginning on page 44).

-“The world is at the beginning of a major transformation. It will be a spiritual revolution that will affect every person in the world.”

I asked what the world would be like when this change takes place.

We were in a beautiful natural wooded setting. There was no evidence of human intrusion or man-made devices. They told me that this was the future, and that we were in a garden that people tended. People came by and talked with one another. They were dressed simply and wore exotic ornaments. They resembled Native Americans in their dress. I asked what they did. Everyone spent the majority of their time with the children, teaching them about love and the wonders of the natural world. They didn’t make a distinction between work and play. They all participated in child-rearing and teaching as the most important activity of their lives. People raised food by sitting next to plants and communicating with them. In a few minutes they could harvest mature fruits and vegetables. They ate what they grew immediately, without cooking. The clothing was all made of finely woven fibers. There was very little metal except in the ornaments.

I asked, “Is this paradise?” They laughed and said, “No, only compared to the world you live in. In this future world people will have sickness, but the treatment for disease will always be successful. People will gather around the person in need of help and through prayer, touch and meditation the disease will be cured. People will grow only enough food for their needs. Collectively, all the people of the world will control the weather. The climate will be regulated by the collective will of humankind. The plants will be loved and raised by individual people. All animals will live in harmony with people. There will be countless communities of people all over the world and each will have its own identity and culture. There will be many different languages, but all people will be able to communicate telepathically. There will be no technology because there will be no need for devices, since humans will have the power to control matter and energy. People will stay within their communities unless they want to experience life in a culture that has different music, or vegetation, or scientific investigation.

Everybody was a student of nature, whey they knew intimately and with which they could communicate, knowing the sensations and vibration of every part of creation. People explored outer space without moving an inch. People communicated telepathically with everyone on Earth and had relationships with intelligent beings on other worlds. There was no space travel because there was no need.  People stayed put and shared life experiences across galaxies. People valued the life experience they had been given in this world because they knew it was a precious gift from God. There were no possessions. People sought the welfare of their community in its spiritual health and growth. When someone was troubled, the community focused its attention on that individual. Occasionally an individual would become a recluse for as much time as needed. When a person was satisfied that he had had all the life experiences he needed, the community gathered together around him. They had a celebration while such a person lay down and his spirit moved to heaven. This was the cause of great rejoicing. People were born, grew, learned and died. They lived to love God, love one another, and themselves.

I was amazed because I thought the future world would look like the science fiction I had been raised on. The future that I was being shown was completely different from what I expected. People lived in extreme simplicity and harmony. There was no want. Everyone was happy. There was no conflict.

I asked, “When will this come about?”

They said, “In two hundred years.” (Howard was told this during an NDE he had in 1985).

I contradicted them. “Not in two hundred thousand years. People are not ready for this.”

They answered, “This is the future that God wants for humanity, and it will happen. This is the world God has created for us to live in. This is the way God created human beings to live.”

“How will it happen? I asked.

They answered, “God is changing the world now (Alberts’s question, like in new age changes?). God wants worldwide conversion. God is going to awaken every person to be the person he or she was created to be. Those who accept God’s will shall flourish, and those who deny God’s love shall perish.”

Lucy,

Glad you're still hangin' in here. So sorry I didn't get back to you when you requested feedback on TMI's trainer Maureen Caudill's book, Suddenly Psychic a while back but I was a little overwelmed by it as well as dealing with more pressing issues at that time. In fact I'm still am a bit confussed by it and MBToe as well.  Ken Wiber, I could follow better but I find his views less??? then Campbell's. I'll have to re-read them all again and get back with my other studies on these new age/old time issues or maybe just dwell on them for a while.  It always helped to write here as well as hearing where others were coming from.

Family is family no matter what form it takes and at some point we have to just continue to bite the bullet using our own voice to speak our truths as those throughout history did who knew how to read, write, or speak. After all it's more about sharing, being there for each other if only in an informal loose sort of way, and being our own witness' to what's on our own mind.

Jean

When we lived in Lee County, FL, I remember being a part of the 80's Harmonic Convergence meditation 1st  part 11/11, “think only love” part and being told there would also be a 12/12 “assention” part to follow up at a later date. As a group in that bookstore north of Naples, FL, we were guided in meditations towards welcoming back the phase where many of the blocks to the spirit world for regular guys and gals would be removed as they were before, I think, the time of Christ or earlier.

The goal was, that if successful, we would be able to more readily access to the higher planes. Barriers would be diminished so that more individuals could get in touch with other realms, individuals not currently residing here in the body or anything else out there. After the group meditation was completed by us and many others throughout the world, we were to follow up by repeating to ourselves, “think only love” whenever we saw 11/11 number group together.

I figured, “Why not?', it's certainly a positive thing to do  so I consistently repeated this message,”think only love” whenever I noticed this group of numbers on the clock, ie. 11:11 am/pm, the dates November llth, or another place where this series popped up.

Anyhow, feedback later was that it was a successful meditation and removed the alleged blocks. You can probably still find more on this on the Internet then David and others did plus there are earlier posting on this topic/ Now that 2011 is approchin, the thoughts of the 2nd part of the Harmonic Covergence, the 12/12 number group could be more in peoples mind, aside from the Mayan calander ending.

On looking back over 10+ years since the 11/11 exercise, is that if it was successful, it was very subtle shift for most of us humans. I'll most likely start thinking about “assention” which to me means growth of spirit, when ever I notice the 12/12 series.

I think, more than ever, it's about us sharing our actual experiences from our own perspective as honestly and objectively as possible now that we have access to the Internet.

Jean

Hello Jean:

Do you have more details about the below?

"Anyhow, feedback later was that it was a successful meditation and removed the alleged blocks."

I'm still kind of hoping time stopped during the harmonic convergence and we are dreaming all this... ;)

Recover,
I can't remember where I came across 11/11 success, but I'll work on it. These things usually come to me after 1st or 2nd sleep cycle . For the past 6 mos, I've gotten back to listening to Tape 5 Exploration Sleep (Focus 10) whenever I awaken since the rest of my cd's , gateway tapes, and books are somewhere in storage in CA.
Jean

My mother's birthday day is 11/11 and mine is 11/12, hmmm. 12/12 is pretty cool cause 12 is my favorite number. 1+2 =3 (free) No longer bound by the symbol of 8 which defines infinity in symbolism.

The numbers should read out: 1 2 3 4 5 69 8 7, but that wisdom was lost or purpose fully disregarded by the church...I blame them for everything. I guess I should get over it. 69 is one number pronounced sex in eye in E. It is mystical. like yin yang I guess.

I used to feel that T should be pronounced "Shh" because I was so tired of hearing about the cross, but now after watching The Passion of Christ I think T should be pronounced "Shine"....tiny happy people, get it? Still I am no Christian after watching them sit idly by while the man was crucified. (Crew see Fiction) Maybe the Earth is a space craft driven by little gray men...I just don't know...but it's a cool thread. Thanks for letting me air out a little.

Yours
Always N Allways
ouiRone
Beau

This is just silly. There is no big change coming, and no set date for destruction either and if there WAS a set date no human would know it.

Here is a link with over 200 predictions and dates with explanations as to "why" the earth was coming to an end.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

Most of these dates have already passed....

Phew... disaster narrowly avoided hundreds of times!

Hi

One effort of converging our consciousness is happening now--musicians are using the internet to sing together although they are physically placed around the world. Individuals sing a prearranged part of some music, and then those parts are sent to a 'conductor' who uses tecnology to layer them together and broadcast them back out into the world. The effect is stunning!

So far over 120 persons in 17 countries have participated.  What if 'everyone' participated, and everyone listened to the result? For the moments of the song our minds would be converged in a beautiful energy! Such a world-wide musical chorus surely would have an effect on the chaos and disharmony that sometimes divides us.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7o7BrlbaDs

Bets

Perhaps the larger version can be ready by July 2010.  :)

We are the World.

We are the children.

We are the ones who make a brighter day...

So lets start living and giving...I guess it's the same thing really.

Amen.

I`m not going to take part in any specific point of time woo-woo.

However, in any case I find myself strangely unworried by the 2011/2012 hype. I do not belive - very firmly so - that any global catastrophe will happen to us because we would know, my friends, right this moment if for example a giant planetoit would hit us. Thousands of astronomers all over the world would already see it. And about the "pole shift": This is not an instant process, neither is global climate change. Both can happen, but wont in a specific year if you take my meaning. And an earth-axle shift does show itself too, prior to it happening. No, I don`t think our beautiful planet is about to be destroyed.

What else is there to fear, then? Either this is just some hype of the same nature that has been going on since the dawn of time and never happened. This is, frankly, what I think. But if a change of consciousness happens - well, what better thing could happen to us? When I was a child, I used to hope that the judgement day happens in my lifetime because I could think of nothing better than transferring to a spiritual world and seeing the "more" behind the veil without having to die (I said before I have great trouble with believing in a soul, sadly).

So all in all, likely to happen: Nothing. If anything: Positive consciousness change - bring it on! Yay, hooray is all I will say.

One thing I find sad about this is that many new agers seem to think that love and spirituality only have a place in such contexts. Well, I am a reluctant atheist, but I still "believe", no I KNOW, that we are here to love and assist each other, all earth and the more abilities we gain through technology, free everyone and every thing from suffering and ultimately maybe even free every sentinent being from death unless they wish it. What else is there to be for? I don`t need a 2012 to know that or a 5th dimension to try to live like that.

The positive change is already here for those willing to do the work for it. No need of 2012 except for those standing in the way of progress.

Well, one thing that could occur in 2012, or whenever, that we would never see coming, would be contact from a non-earth civilization.  Whenever that happens, it would change everything for all of us, forever.  Personally, I think that might be what the predictions are about.  I've always hoped I'd be alive to see it!

I think that would be very cool, personally. Something I always hoped would happen in my lifetime. Well, I hope it's a nice party. I'll be 50 on the 18th, so there.

It prompts me to ask myself, is what is good for one, good for all? Are all those sentient beings here on earth considered invited to the party? If it's special for us, is it special for them? In what way is it special, and how can we make it so?

Questions, questions. It seems that's all I have, nothing but questions.

We are already in contact with other civilizations. The earth is a space ship and we've collected many different species along the way...wooo. But maybe it will come out.

Yours,
Beau

I do not expect armageddon for 2012, either.  I think it is the beginning of an awakening of sorts, hopefully a widespread opening of consciousness, or some other societal demand for decency to everyone one meets, the beginning of the end to deceit, secrecy and mutual inhumanity..."Be exellent to each other!" as so ably stated by Bill and Ted.

However, 2012 will include some seismic shifts in my personal life.  During meditation I have noted significant shifts in my domestic situation, my career and possibly where I live...and while it hasn't been very clear what the changes might be, it has all felt very positive.  Nothing to fear, just universe-assisted changes...

My fondest, secret hope is that the AWARE study will yield the result that some people do see the hidden pictures

For those of you that do not know: At the moment a giant study is being made to find out what happens when we die. They are conducting this from 2009 to 2012 in a lot of hospitals, measuring blood paramenters and making EEGs in the Emergency rooms. Also, they have hidden pictures to find out if some people can see those who have claimed to go out of body (as it sometimes happens).

I fear no one will see the pictures, that will be a hard blow for all of those that believe OOB is reality. But if someone - even ONE - person sees a hidden picture - that will be quite a consciousness shift! And the results come out in 2012.

I definitely don't believe the world will end, but I do believe something very significant will occur within my lifetime. Something possibly bigger than any event ever. Which is kind of cliche, because there's a pretty decent amount of folks that believed the same thing in their lifetime.

What i've come to understand and what I want to believe most, is that the overall plan for this planet is to become what we all understand to be paradise. I don't necessarily believe that will reach its height in my lifetime, but I want to think the biggest events to really set it in motion will happen and I'll get to still be here for it.

Amongst other messages I received during the past few months, I had this recent experience.

I was in what I believe was the Pacific Ocean, it's waves were really active, and quickly moved towards the California shore. Then I saw these things with black smokey trails shooting down to the earth and causing damage. Perhaps they were solar flares.

Various sources speak of places such as California flooding.

I was also recently shown scenes where people were running around in great duress.

On the other hand, some say we'll go through some difficulties, but then things will get significantly better. I received a few messages that seemed to make this point.

A while ago, as I lie in bed awake, I heard and saw one after the other a planet explode. First it exploded into rocks. Then it exploded into fire. Then it exploded into white light. I figure this planet was this earth.

Perhaps it is best to prepare for whatever might come so we can survive and be contributing members of a wonderful future. Not just for ourselves, but for future generations.

chrwe,  the basis for my belief in the afterlife is personal experience, not NDE, although a friend who had an NDE cannot be convinced he didn't see God.  If AWARE "proves" NDE's "false" it won't change my beliefs nor that of my friends; rather it would prove to those I know that here was another objective test which couldn't measure the reality and therefore decrees it false...when in doubt, throw it out.  Also, it isn't so much that "if they said it, it must be true", but the effects such events have had on the lives of those who have experienced them is remarkable.  Something obviously happened, and whether it is objectively measurable or not is of secondary concern.   

I understand that there are those who require objective, measured evidence to believe...from my standpoint they'll be waiting a long time, unless it becomes SOP after 2012. 

All I`m saying is that measured evidence would mean a giant shift in consciousness :)

Hi again folks,
well, the Conscious Convergence reportedly took place on the 17th and 18th July.
Anyone know what happened, how it went and if it succeeded?

Best wishes,
David.

Hi David,

Glad you brought this up again. Lynn Gardner introduced this exercise to Tucson this past spring. 

This morning I too was curious to see what the results of the meditation were and came across the following video for those who are interested to see if they "resonate" with the Conscious Convergence movement: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNO7oISCQ5A

Thanks for the reminder and I'm still wondering if my participation in the '87 Harmonic Convergence had any effect in opening the pathways once again to the non-physical world any wider for us earthlings :-/.

Jean :-*