has anyone ever heard of them?

http://www.matthewbooks.com/

real deal? bs?

looks pretty cool to me.

When it comes to Jesus' crucifixion:

Seth (Jane Roberts) says he wasn't crucified, a hoax took place and somebody was crucified in his place. Seth also claims that because Jesus wasn't able to convince his disciples that he was still alive (supposedly, according to Seth, his disciples weren't able to recognize him), he decided to end his physical life shortly after the supposed hoax crucifixion took place.

Elias (Mary Innes) says Jesus didn't die on the cross and died of natural causes at the age of 51.

Matthew (Suzanne Ward) says Jesus was whipped rather than crucified.

Sylvia Browne has yet another story. In fact, she contradicted herself, because on one occasion she stated that Jesus died at the age of 33 and on another occasion he died at the age of 86.

Or in other words, the above sources not only contradict each other, they contradict themselves.

If one argues it isn't an important matter, then why did these sources go to such great length to give their explanation as to what supposedly happened?

When I read Matthew's claim, I didn't feel compelled to find out what other fables he (?) has to share.

I am just as likely to buy any one of those stories as the one that is in the Bible, Albert. It was ultimately Constantin who decided how Jesus died...if he did. One book over another is not the answer and I don't feel the crew see fiction is important really. It's the man's life that made a difference. Just my two cents. I haven't checked out Mathew's site yet...except briefly. I know you are a believer in the Crucifixion and I respect that even if my post is a bit flip. To say those accounts lack merit is to say they ALL lack merit. IMHO. Best to you though, and I'm very glad you're here. I got out finally yesterday. Pretty cool, no Jesus though. :)

Beau:

Even if one of the sources I mentioned is accurate, then the other sources are inaccurate. If they can get such a key event wrong while providing many details, then they can get just about anything wrong to a significant extent. Therefore, their credibility is very questionable.

Other than all that, everything else I've read on the site doesnt seem to contradict a whole lot past what most people here have come to understand of the afterlife. Seems pretty cool from what I saw of the chapter samples.

Everyone's credibility is questionable Albert. Otherwise why would we even need this board? It's just the way I see it. The BuyBull is questionable to me. I use that term which I realize is a mean thing to say to make the point that every time that book is brought up to me that is what I hear. I'm just wired that way. I mean you no offense, honestly.

Ok, let me just say that scrolling through Matthew's most recent messages he tackles subjects as diverse as the Tea Party movement, global warming, and even the Goldman Sachs Washington hearings.

Not to be cynical here, but her son began to give her messages in 1994.  Most sources I've read or heard about talk about a spiritual progression, one in which the soul in the afterlife moves on.  Yet here, he and his mother appear to be sort of like CNN or FOX news, discussing the latest trends more than 16 years after he first made contact and some 24 years after his death.

There is a sense that time is different in the afterlife and that concerns change from the material things to a person's loves.  I just don't get a sense here that  this communication is real, but hey its just my opinion.

Could the woman have latched onto a "poser," or be accessing a different state of mind?  I don't know.  I just don't get the sense that this communication would remain unchanged and so newsworthy for all these years from the other side.


M

The Poser is entirely possible Matthew in my opinion. I have to read it to comment any more I guess. Everyone wants to be able to air their views. She could just be mistaken, but charging for books always makes me a little leery anyway...well, not bruce's but stilll....you know what I mean.

Hi

We've seen  -- and experienced -- that sometimes we humans get what seems to be a valid communication from Afterlife sources ,  and then we go on and interpret and add to it, not realizing we've lost the afterlife connection. Whether it's wishful thinking or deceit is hard for listeners/readers to determine sometimes.

I've come to somewhat trust my inner reactions --if the stuff seems inspiring and uplifting, it's worthwhile, something I needed to hear.  ( Now that I've read Bruce's, not many others add much.)

Bets

I practice the K principle or Kiss, Keep it simple stupid.
I AM and You ARE Period

For whatever it's worth, I don't believe that being a resident of the afterlife suddenly affords you the answers to all of life's mysteries. I think there are probably a lot of misguided souls, tons of erroneous information, much of which can be shaped by the realities one may create for him/herself in the afterlife.

I remember having a conversation with my mom, who passed away in 1996, just last year as I visited with a psychic. I was surprised at some of the things she said. I had this expectation that since she had passed on, she should suddenly be some kind of enlightened being with a much different perspective than me. I'm sure that's true on some levels, but what I learned from that session was that my mom seemed to be at a particular stage of her spiritual development and perhaps was not aware or ready for greater enlightenment. Or maybe the psychic was imposing some of her own beliefs and muddying the communication. Either way, you kind of get what I'm saying.

I just wonder what makes Matthew, or anyone in the afterlife for that matter, an authority on our world's affairs.

right on bird. It's all opinion. we do the best we can.

Certainly some sources of information are much more trustworthy than other sources of information.

If one doesn't understand that such a distinction exists, one is liable to be lacking in discrimination. It is hard to have discrimination, if one makes excuses for the fraudulent sources of information that exist.

One doesn't help anybody when one makes excuses in such a way, not even the person who is responsible for the fraudulent information, because eventually such a person will have to deal with what he or she sowed.

remember what you just wrote.

Okay, I'll be certain to not assume that the Matthew readings are just as valid as everything else. :)



Beau wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 6:07pm:

remember what you just wrote.

Our minds are our minds whether we have a body or are in the afterlife.  I agree with Bird then, that there is no reason whatsoever, for this deceased person "Matthew" to be an expert on: The Tea Party, global warming, aliens/reptilians, and the recent icelandic volcano (among other things), so many years after his physical death.

Swedenborg found, talking with dead folk, that the more time passed since they died, the more they couldn't relate to certain phenomenon found only in the physical world.  They didn't understand linnear time, and certainly didn't pretend to be expert in current affairs.  I remember one excerpt where a deceased person tells Swedenborg he was an expert in ancient languages while alive.  However, since he communicated with his mind (telepathy), when he tried to describe concepts and specifics, he sounded like he was talking gibberish. 

From all my readings and experiences, it appears that there is a progression in the afterlife - an evolution, even if it is not in linnear time like earth life.  There are those in the far East who believed that the soul reincarnated in about a 2 month period of time if it did not realize godhood or what was illusion.

So, gradually these conversations with "Matthew" have morphed into him giving an expert detailed analysis of current PC politics, and all the current topics of the day.  It just doesn't at all sound like a valid communication to me.


M

yes,people will do just about anything to write a book like that,and get a best seller book.money,money,money,

I see no validity in any of it to be honest Albert, but yes thats exactly what I mean. I know you are a thinker and it makes your posts both interesting and challenging. It does surprise me however that you are willing to cite myth as factual. Not to the extent that Don does but still it is kind of weird. I am going in search of Jesus tonight in my meditation and I will let you know what I find. I will search with an open heart for I believe that he lived I just don't believe the hype.

People don't reincarnate in my opinion the higher self does. The characters we play here do not come back. That's just how I see it. The book closes on ole Beau at the end of this life, but the actor Self inside me lives on Forever playing role after role until he is king of his domain.

My book is free btw.

That sounds like a good approach Beau.

Perhaps Jesus doesn't give a lot of importance to whether or not he was crucified, but going by the messages I received he was.

The reason I wrote what I wrote, is because it seems odd that different channeled sources contradict each other when it comes to the crucifixion. Plus if you read the details of what they say (when details are provided), they don't make sense.

Going by what I've been able to figure out, I agree that the higher self reincarnates, not people. Perhaps there are exceptions. I believe that past and future incarnations of my higher self/disk all exist at the same time. Time isn't actually divided up in a linear way.





Beau wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 9:28pm:

I see no validity in any of it to be honest Albert, but yes thats exactly what I mean. I know you are a thinker and it makes your posts both interesting and challenging. It does surprise me however that you are willing to cite myth as factual. Not to the extent that Don does but still it is kind of weird. I am going in search of Jesus tonight in my meditation and I will let you know what I find. I will search with an open heart for I believe that he lived I just don't believe the hype. People don't reincarnate in my opinion the higher self does. The characters we play here do not come back. That's just how I see it. The book closes on ole Beau at the end of this life, but the actor Self inside me lives on Forever playing role after role until he is king of his domain. My book is free btw.

so does that mean that all previous incarnations of myself are currently in the afterlife? and if so, how come those incarnations aren't the ones that chat with me when i visit a psychic? are they interested in how i'm leading out my life in this current incarnation?

I believe the answer is that since all moments of time exist simutaneously, your other incarnations are where you look for them.

I've experienced my disk members as if they are currently in the spirit world, yet I believe that all generations of people exist at the same time (e.g., people from the civil war period experiencing their incarnations at the same time we experience our incarnations).

Sometimes I think of time as a painting. If you look at just one part of a painting it seems as if only that part exists, but if you look at the whole painting you see that the entire painting exists all at once.

Some of the people who have NDEs say that they experience a very detailed life review including how they effected others, they speak of it in a chronological way, yet they experience it in one moment.

What we are able to experience when not limited by a biological brain is much more expansive than we limit ourselves to a biological brain.


bird wrote on Apr 30^th, 2010 at 2:26pm:

so does that mean that all previous incarnations of myself are currently in the afterlife? and if so, how come those incarnations aren't the ones that chat with me when i visit a psychic? are they interested in how i'm leading out my life in this current incarnation?

Bird, You could think of it like this Bruce Willis can communicate with his character John McClain anytime anywhere and he can also communicate with the character he played in The Sixth Sense and countless other roles. He is the Master of those characters. Perhaps the psychic is in touch with Bruce rather than the actual member of the human race (the character) that you want to be in contact with.

Albert, I fought with the struggle to understand the Crucifixion for many MANY years. It may be important to the character of Jesus but to his higher self and I believe even he has one it was another, albeit very important, role in his scheme of roles through out all life times. Food for thought.

Quote Beau: "I fought with the struggle to understand the Crucifixion for many MANY years."

Maybe the problem is that you want to understand, but there isn't anything to understand.

Spooky

Indeed, Spooky, that is the conclusion that I came to. I was raised pretty Christian and it's a hard thing to break free of when it's all around you all the time. Jesus was just fine by me. I have no issues. But the very people some even on this board are the very people he was revolting against...and I don't mean Albert in that statement.

DocM wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 1:29am:

Ok, let me just say that scrolling through Matthew's most recent messages he tackles subjects as diverse as the Tea Party movement, global warming, and even the Goldman Sachs Washington hearings. Not to be cynical here, but her son began to give her messages in 1994.  Most sources I've read or heard about talk about a spiritual progression, one in which the soul in the afterlife moves on.  Yet here, he and his mother appear to be sort of like CNN or FOX news, discussing the latest trends more than 16 years after he first made contact and some 24 years after his death.

Hi Doc: I don’t think the ‘normal’ progression as you say is a given… if one has certain attachments one can get stuck in a very narrow time/space continuum indefinitely… there is clearly some karmic relationship or bond between these two entities… that aside… remember Monroe hung around and is still hanging around and expressed unfinished business through Bruce Moen… I don’t know if you know this but the book Monroe wanted to publish and became Ultimate Journey is not the book Monroe wanted to publish… his publisher wouldn’t publish it and got Monroe to ghost Ultimate Journey… and get an acceptable document…

The original manuscript is in the possession of Joseph McMoneagle (the premier remote viewer and son in law of Monroe) who told me he has no plans to publish it… it is about 6 inches of typed pages… but I think Monroe published this work through Bruce Moen.. The other thing is and this may not apply because in my opinion Monroe was an avatar… Monroe in Bruce’s work suggests he is split into may parts… the part he uses to continue guiding the work of TMI is only one aspect of his total Beingness.

S.