I say the Grays are Elves and you can be Santa Claus if you take your own Reigns. They are eternal children just like we are. They will give what they get. Give them fear and they'll act on it. Give them love and they will respond in kind,  I predict. Thoughts?

I posted this here because I say The Grays are related to our understanding of the afterlife. So if you want this post moved you'll have to do it yourself.

Yours,

BEaU

Beau wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 12:13pm:

I say the Grays are Elves and you can be Santa Claus if you take your own Reigns. They are eternal children just like we are. They will give what they get. Give them fear and they'll act on it. Give them love and they will respond in kind,  I predict. Thoughts? I posted this here because I say The Grays are related to our understanding of the afterlife. So if you want this post moved you'll have to do it yourself. Yours, BEaU

And your power of "creating" metaphor is exponentially greater than mine!  I think we find out relatively soon, oh, and the post seems appropritate for this forum to me...

Yeah I am thinking this all comes to light in due time. If they do exist, then the government obviously has the answers already. All the millions of UFO sightings, the perfection we see in crop circles..."they're out there." I think there is a lot more than we even think associated with higher lifeforms. It won't surprise me if it turns out that our biology and the earliest cultures were influenced by aliens. Some people believe they are angels.

The only thing I actually know for sure is that there is much more to life, why we are here, how it was all created, and what did it than most people really conceive. Like I've said, everyone is going to have a big "Oh wow" moment at some point in the future.

I think they just might be little angels and able to look like anything they want....including children. Make your peace with them I guess. I think they are here to stay.

I'm neither light or dark, I'm only shades of gray ;)

Yours,
Beau

Well, I think the greys/grays reptillians etc. are all made up and people having hallucinations/fantasies.

(other planets containing life however... yes, that most likely exists.)

My reason for this belief I typed out below... I know it's a lot but I feel I should back up my extreme opinion with some real information.


As of 14 April 2010, 452 extrasolar planets have been confirmed.

Currently, Gliese 581 d, the fourth planet of the red dwarf star Gliese 581 (approximately 20 light years from Earth), appears to be the best example yet discovered of a possible terrestrial exoplanet that orbits within the habitable zone surrounding its star.

Out of this VAST universe the odds of another planet being in the "habitable zone" and containing life definitely IS a possibility.

As far as we can tell the closest possible alien life would still be....light years away from us. That would mean a minimum of 20+ years traveling near the speed of light.

Let's just say that based on our science which is really solid knowledge most likely the other life forms are unable to travel  the distance. Honestly, I don't imagine space travelers willing to travel years 10+ 20+ 30+ 40+ (years in fact) which would be necessary in order to reach us.

Sure, I will admit that maybe they have technology beyond ours.

But, I doubt it. You just cannot go the speed of light or even too close to it.

Here is an excerpt on what happens when you TRY to go the speed of light:
Let's assume that your engines are powered by tapping into some external energy source, so you don't have to worry about carrying fuel. As you get going faster and faster in your starship, you are putting more and more energy into the ship by speeding it up, so the ship keeps getting heavier. (Again, I should really be saying "massier" not "heavier" since there is no gravity in space.) By the time you reach 90 percent of the speed of light, the ship has so much energy in it that it actually has about twice the mass as the ship has at rest. It gets harder and harder to propel with the engines, because it's so heavy. As you get closer to the speed of light, you begin to get diminishing returns — the more energy the ship has, the heavier it gets, so the more energy that must be put into it to speed it up just a little bit, the heavier it gets, and so on.

The effect is even worse than you might think because of what is going on inside the ship. After all, everything inside the ship, including you, is speeding up, getting more and more energy, and getting heavier and heavier. In fact, you and all the machines on the ship are getting pretty sluggish. Your watch, for instance, which used to weigh about half an ounce, now weighs about forty tons. And the spring inside your watch really hasn't gotten any stronger, so the watch has slowed way down so that it only ticks once an hour. Not only has your watch slowed down, but the biological clock inside your head has also slowed down. You don't notice this because your neurons are getting heavier, and your thoughts are slowed down by exactly the same amount as the watch. As far as you are concerned, your watch is just ticking along at the same rate as before. (Physicists call this "relativistic time contraction.") The other thing that is slowed down is all of the machinery that is powering your engines (the dilithium crystals are getting heavier and slower, too). So your ship is getting heavier, your engines are getting sluggish, and the closer you get to the speed of light, the worse it gets. It just gets harder and harder and harder, and no matter how hard you try, you just can't quite get over the light barrier. And that's why you can't go faster than the speed of light.

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The only REAL possibility I would say, and this would be CRACKPOT theory mind you... is that matter does not exist and the aliens can teleport from one spot to another because they are not really moving.

I read a novel when I was a kid about a "tesseract" which transported you instantaneaously through time/space and deposited you in an inhabitable planet that had an alternative culture.  That also obviated any "light speed" limitation, but it seems that interdimensional transportation requires nothing more than the ability to pass between the lines of demarcation energetically.  While lightspeed may be a limiting physical factor, it seems that it doesn't matter when dealing from a spiritual level.  Our level of physics and scientific understanding of our environment is rudimentary at best and E=MC2 is a good theory for the miniscule reality it adresses, but I have issues placing any bets on its true validity.  Remember when the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it?  It was not that long ago...

With that, you tend to analyse the idea that any reality is simply illusion set up by the consciousness of the person/soul using it...in our case, the entire conscious planet is sharing the illusion to fulfill our needs and desires for experience.  My view of the crack in the curtain remains a defining point in my life, but it hasn't granted me any greater knowledge other than the understanding that there is something on the other side of the reality we see that is dramatically greater than anything we can imagine.

Grays or greys indeed!  They simply stepped through the tesseract and stopped in for a beer...they just kept looking at the side of my face in the spotlight so clear...later on when the crowd thinned out I was just about to do the same...they were standing there in back of my chair saying to me "don't I know your name?"  Maybe Bob Dylan is a gre(a)y?  I know they're here, and I am not getting any negativity .

Yes, the book you speak of is called "A wrinkle in time."

wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 9:18pm:

Yes, the book you speak of is called "A wrinkle in time."

That's it!  I loved that book and talk about blowing the mind of a twelve year old...it actually made sense...

wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 7:59pm:

Well, I think the greys/grays reptillians etc. are all made up and people having hallucinations/fantasies. (other planets containing life however... yes, that most likely exists.) My reason for this belief I typed out below... I know it's a lot but I feel I should back up my extreme opinion with some real information. As of 14 April 2010, 452 extrasolar planets have been confirmed. Currently, Gliese 581 d, the fourth planet of the red dwarf star Gliese 581 (approximately 20 light years from Earth), appears to be the best example yet discovered of a possible terrestrial exoplanet that orbits within the habitable zone surrounding its star. Out of this VAST universe the odds of another planet being in the "habitable zone" and containing life definitely IS a possibility. As far as we can tell the closest possible alien life would still be....light years away from us. That would mean a minimum of 20+ years traveling near the speed of light. Let's just say that based on our science which is really solid knowledge most likely the other life forms are unable to travel  the distance. Honestly, I don't imagine space travelers willing to travel years 10+ 20+ 30+ 40+ (years in fact) which would be necessary in order to reach us. Sure, I will admit that maybe they have technology beyond ours. But, I doubt it. You just cannot go the speed of light or even too close to it. Here is an excerpt on what happens when you TRY to go the speed of light: Let's assume that your engines are powered by tapping into some external energy source, so you don't have to worry about carrying fuel. As you get going faster and faster in your starship, you are putting more and more energy into the ship by speeding it up, so the ship keeps getting heavier. (Again, I should really be saying "massier" not "heavier" since there is no gravity in space.) By the time you reach 90 percent of the speed of light, the ship has so much energy in it that it actually has about twice the mass as the ship has at rest. It gets harder and harder to propel with the engines, because it's so heavy. As you get closer to the speed of light, you begin to get diminishing returns — the more energy the ship has, the heavier it gets, so the more energy that must be put into it to speed it up just a little bit, the heavier it gets, and so on. The effect is even worse than you might think because of what is going on inside the ship. After all, everything inside the ship, including you, is speeding up, getting more and more energy, and getting heavier and heavier. In fact, you and all the machines on the ship are getting pretty sluggish. Your watch, for instance, which used to weigh about half an ounce, now weighs about forty tons. And the spring inside your watch really hasn't gotten any stronger, so the watch has slowed way down so that it only ticks once an hour. Not only has your watch slowed down, but the biological clock inside your head has also slowed down. You don't notice this because your neurons are getting heavier, and your thoughts are slowed down by exactly the same amount as the watch. As far as you are concerned, your watch is just ticking along at the same rate as before. (Physicists call this "relativistic time contraction.") The other thing that is slowed down is all of the machinery that is powering your engines (the dilithium crystals are getting heavier and slower, too). So your ship is getting heavier, your engines are getting sluggish, and the closer you get to the speed of light, the worse it gets. It just gets harder and harder and harder, and no matter how hard you try, you just can't quite get over the light barrier. And that's why you can't go faster than the speed of light. ------------------------------------ The only REAL possibility I would say, and this would be CRACKPOT theory mind you... is that matter does not exist and the aliens can teleport from one spot to another because they are not really moving.

We do already have the ability to travel at or very close to the speed of light. It's only a theory that it is impossible to travel faster and the theory of relativity is just part of the laws of PHYSICS. Physics being the dealing with matter and what we know so far of it. But wouldn't you agree that MANY theories have changed over time? At this point I'm willing to believe that anything is possible but just has to be discovered.

Your model starship wouldn't react the way you suggested if it was made out of a different material. Perhaps lifeforms on another planet have resources that aren't affected the same ways ours are. There's just no way we can really be absolute on anything.

Um, all the planets are inhabited. Just because we can't see them does not mean they are not there. Carbon is not the only based life form in the Universe. Life as we know it perhaps not, but there is life. Even the moon isn't dead, you just have to use your imagination to figure out how this can be. It can be and is. I'm sure of it. They're hiding to see what we will F-up next.

usetawuz wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 9:12pm:

I read a novel when I was a kid about a "tesseract" which transported you instantaneaously through time/space and deposited you in an inhabitable planet that had an alternative culture.  That also obviated any "light speed" limitation, but it seems that interdimensional transportation requires nothing more than the ability to pass between the lines of demarcation energetically.  While lightspeed may be a limiting physical factor, it seems that it doesn't matter when dealing from a spiritual level.  Our level of physics and scientific understanding of our environment is rudimentary at best and E=MC2 is a good theory for the miniscule reality it adresses, but I have issues placing any bets on its true validity.  Remember when the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it?  It was not that long ago... With that, you tend to analyse the idea that any reality is simply illusion set up by the consciousness of the person/soul using it...in our case, the entire conscious planet is sharing the illusion to fulfill our needs and desires for experience.  My view of the crack in the curtain remains a defining point in my life, but it hasn't granted me any greater knowledge other than the understanding that there is something on the other side of the reality we see that is dramatically greater than anything we can imagine. Grays or greys indeed!  They simply stepped through the tesseract and stopped in for a beer...they just kept looking at the side of my face in the spotlight so clear...later on when the crowd thinned out I was just about to do the same...they were standing there in back of my chair saying to me "don't I know your name?"  Maybe Bob Dylan is a gre(a)y?  I know they're here, and I am not getting any negativity .

This was a great post. You're right on point.

Okay maybe not all the planets are inhabited by life, but I think the greys have been here longer than we have and they only look like little gray men (no gender?) because they know this is what we expect an alien race to look like. They treat us as we treat them. Fear, scares them and so they act accordingly and Love (agape) helps them release what they want to show us telepathically. It must be very frustrating for them to come upon a human who is so afraid that they can't telecommunicate with them. And some people don't live by the Golden Rule very well and thus find them themselves the victims of a living hell that is really in their own mind just as it is when we cross over. We bring our punishments on ourselves-literally.

Wow, such an unexpected use of the  "Tangled Up in Blue" lyrics by Bob Dylan. I was reading, and thinking "hey, this sounds so familiar!" :D

Anyway, the grays might exist, but I doubt the advanced crop circles are real. They are rather easily made by people with nothing better to do. If UFOs have landed here, then the marks left behind are probably just incidental to the kind of craft they use. Honestly, why would they bother drawing stuff on the ground?

Starboom, sorry, Startcraft...damn, Starcraft:

Belief that the Crop Circles are fake comes down the psi uncertainty principle. Tom Campbell talks about it a lot in MY Big TOE. You really should check it out, but no pressure dude.

I watched the whole my big toe cambell thing. It was good at the beginning and the end half started to really deteriorate IMO... don't get me wrong, it really did open my mind. I am starting to think now that I was actually nothing, I became this living being to become something. (even though nothing IS also a form of something.. it's a yin yang universe... if it's white it's black etc. I am evolved and experienced, I have become more than I was and I will continue to become more, and part of this process of becoming more, is shedding the  body which holds me back. I will die to become more.

This is a big step for me don't knock it.

If you don't become more while you're here, starcraft, I hate to disappoint you but you will be exactly what you are. This is where the evolution of the Self takes place. IMO.

yeah that reaction to Campbell is common. You really have to read the books to get him. It's a worth while read but you may find PeterRussell.com more acceptable. Good luck man. I'm with you.

Always in Allways,
yours,
Beau

Beau wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 2:05pm:

If you don't become more while you're here, starcraft, I hate to disappoint you but you will be exactly what you are. This is where the evolution of the Self takes place. IMO. yeah that reaction to Campbell is common. You really have to read the books to get him. It's a worth while read but you may find PeterRussell.com more acceptable. Good luck man. I'm with you. Always in Allways, yours, Beau

Agreed. You have to keep going forward. Keep evolving and developing yourself. I feel so privileged to be who I am at 23, and I know what I have to work on and develop and I have the consciousness of it. I don't have any doubts that I'm the path that was intended for me whether that was my intention or not. I think we all have a path and people just stray from it and once you're back on track everything just kind of kicks into gear and starts flowing. It feels good. This really just isn't all there is to it. There's so, so, so much to experience.

Why do we always say the word consciousness? Because that's the freaking answer. That's what it's all about. That's the ticket.

I just shorten it to "ON". that's all need by said.

Hi Beau,

Few years ago the government finally admitted to what Roswell had been all about and apparently most of the serious UFO scientists and researchers believed the report.

Following WW11 the Cold War with Russia had us scrambling to reach space flight and technology first, and chimpanzees were secretly used as the original pilots in some of those experiments. Small craft were sent up into space to collect data and they knew humans would never survive them, so they used chimpanzees, thus the secrecy because of the outrage it would have caused. They were suited up in metallic body suits with large helmets. Picture that, big heads, their long arms, long fingers, stocky trunks and short legs. I saw a photograph on TV from the report of one of the dead chimpanzees at a crash site and I could see why eyewitnesses had freaked out, thinking they were aliens of some kind.

There are a few UFO cases still unsolved in my opinion but I have to admit the Roswell revelation made sense.

Ginny

There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in our philosophies for sure. I can accept them now but when I first came to the board I was very skeptical. I just ordered Striber's book. I hope it gets here soon. I'm a bit fascinated lately. thanks Ginny!

Yours,
Always N Allways,
beau

Hi Ginny-

Thanks for your common sense post!  The vast majority of so-called government conspiracies are nothing more than fiction and are essentially harmless.

There are some, however, that are not only totally bogus but which do serious harm to the memories of thousands of innocent people who lost their lives and to their friends and families as well.

I'm speaking of the 9/11 conspiracies.  This video was posted on another thread, and it alleges among other things that no plane ever hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

On that morning my wife and I were on our way to work in DC, going south on R110 which goes past the Pentagon.  We saw the plane hit the Pentagon. It was a horrific sight, one that we will never forget.

People who push these kinds of conspiracies are, in my opinion, appealing to the lowest aspects of human nature. 

The fact that so many others are sucked in is a sad commentary on the times in which we live.

R

Hi Rondele,

Couldn't agree with you more, especially regarding the 9/11 attacks. Famous personalities with emotional/ego problems have become experts in flammable jet fuel and global warming...acting like Chicken Little's, The Sky Is Falling! The Sky Is Falling! ? What the hell happened to common sense? I love Judge Judy and her reasoning that if it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't true.

Speaking of conspiracy theorists, have you seen Willie Nelson on TV lately? Now there's a fine example of what waaaay too much pot does to the human brain!  :o

Much love, Rondele,

Ginny

Beau,

Whitley Strieber?...think that's how you spell his last name. Read it and in all honesty, Beau, I came to feel as if I had been conned, especially after Roswell was finally debunked. But, that's just my opinion. :).

Much love,

Ginny

Ginny-

Yeah I saw Willy opine that he's never heard of a steel building being melted at the temps that jet fuel burns.

He's in the same league as Rosie O'Donnell and other Hollywood dimbulbs.  Popular Mechanics has done a thorough job explaining how the Twin Towers came down and it doesn't involve some covert conspiracy.

Not to belabor the point, but if we accept that the plane didn't hit the Pentagon, we then need to come up with an explanation as to where all the passengers and crew disappeared to.

I suppose there's a conspiracy theory somewhere that says the plane was diverted to some secret government location and they are being held hostage.

Area 51 maybe?

You can't make this stuff up, it's just too nonsensical.

R

On Streiber, Ginny, I can only say that debunkers don't carry much weight with me, since the amazing Randi is one too. I like to find it out for myself, whatever it is. I don't get taken very often. And when I do I try to learn something from it. Thanks for the heads up.

Yours,
Beau

I fully support Zeitgeist. I believe it is our inevitable future if we have one at all.

Stephen Hawking has discussed a bit about aliens. He's got a show coming out on Discovery like next week called "Into the Universe." It seems his interpretation is that aliens are or would be hostile and wishing to colonize here and we should never try to interact with them. He also predicts this world will definitely end because of our actions and we need to look towards space travel to avoid this catastrophe....basically saying we need to pick up and run. I'm a bit disappointed in his interpretations. I don't feel like an advanced species capable of space travel would wish us any harm and we don't need to run from our planet, we need to stay here and fix what problems others have created.

I agree with you Stone. Hawking is a smart man, but maybe he's a little too smart for his own good sometimes. ;)

Perhaps what I meant to say about supporting Zeitgeist is that I support the movement toward a free society. I have no problem with a ONE world government as long as I see eye to eye with the ONE who is in charge.

Starboom wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 10:14am:

Wow, such an unexpected use of the  "Tangled Up in Blue" lyrics by Bob Dylan. I was reading, and thinking "hey, this sounds so familiar!" :D Anyway, the grays might exist, but I doubt the advanced crop circles are real. They are rather easily made by people with nothing better to do. If UFOs have landed here, then the marks left behind are probably just incidental to the kind of craft they use. Honestly, why would they bother drawing stuff on the ground?

Everything has a frequency and I tend to have memories and thoughts linked to various songs/music...that one just came up, so I typed it...it kind of fits what we are doing here...finding each other through lifetimes...gotta get back to her somehow...all the things we used to know are an illusion to me now...some are mthematicians, some are carpenter's wives...don't know how it all got started, don't know what we do with our lives...

A friend of mine went to a crop circle that had just shown up the night before in southern England.  That morning, prior to going to visit it she had twisted her ankle and it was swollen and purple with bruising.  Not ten steps into the circle, her ankle was no longer bruised, swollen or painful...it was healed.  Her husband freaked.  She is highly intuitive and had to leave the circle after about ten minutes because the energy was overpowering.  Her husband said there was no way that thing was made by guys from the pub with sticks on ropes...the stalks of grain were "angled without breaking...as if they were melted into a right angle...and they were not dead...they continued to grow!"  He was more amazed than she was...she expected most of it.   

usetawuz wrote on Apr 27^th, 2010 at 10:08am:

Starboom wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 10:14am: Wow, such an unexpected use of the  "Tangled Up in Blue" lyrics by Bob Dylan. I was reading, and thinking "hey, this sounds so familiar!" :D Anyway, the grays might exist, but I doubt the advanced crop circles are real. They are rather easily made by people with nothing better to do. If UFOs have landed here, then the marks left behind are probably just incidental to the kind of craft they use. Honestly, why would they bother drawing stuff on the ground? Everything has a frequency and I tend to have memories and thoughts linked to various songs/music...that one just came up, so I typed it...it kind of fits what we are doing here...finding each other through lifetimes...gotta get back to her somehow...all the things we used to know are an illusion to me now...some are mthematicians, some are carpenter's wives...don't know how it all got started, don't know what we do with our lives... A friend of mine went to a crop circle that had just shown up the night before in southern England.  That morning, prior to going to visit it she had twisted her ankle and it was swollen and purple with bruising.  Not ten steps into the circle, her ankle was no longer bruised, swollen or painful...it was healed.  Her husband freaked.  She is highly intuitive and had to leave the circle after about ten minutes because the energy was overpowering.  Her husband said there was no way that thing was made by guys from the pub with sticks on ropes...the stalks of grain were "angled without breaking...as if they were melted into a right angle...and they were not dead...they continued to grow!"  He was more amazed than she was...she expected most of it.

Hehe, well, the lyrics certainly made me pay attention to your post. As for her experience with the crop circle, it doesn't seem like it was one of those advanced circles with symbols or complex patterns, because it's those that I think are fake. In any case, it's very interesting that her ankle was healed. What does that signify? To my mind, residue from a spacecraft and its fuel shouldn't be able to heal anything. So, it has to be something else, right? Maybe some supernatural force already on earth? It boggles the mind.

UFOs are powered by a something that is not a dirty fuel. It's called MUSIC maybe or Light. Why think inside the box on these things?

Starboom wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 5:04am:

usetawuz wrote on Apr 27th, 2010 at 10:08am: Starboom wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 10:14am: Wow, such an unexpected use of the  "Tangled Up in Blue" lyrics by Bob Dylan. I was reading, and thinking "hey, this sounds so familiar!" :D Anyway, the grays might exist, but I doubt the advanced crop circles are real. They are rather easily made by people with nothing better to do. If UFOs have landed here, then the marks left behind are probably just incidental to the kind of craft they use. Honestly, why would they bother drawing stuff on the ground? Everything has a frequency and I tend to have memories and thoughts linked to various songs/music...that one just came up, so I typed it...it kind of fits what we are doing here...finding each other through lifetimes...gotta get back to her somehow...all the things we used to know are an illusion to me now...some are mthematicians, some are carpenter's wives...don't know how it all got started, don't know what we do with our lives... A friend of mine went to a crop circle that had just shown up the night before in southern England.  That morning, prior to going to visit it she had twisted her ankle and it was swollen and purple with bruising.  Not ten steps into the circle, her ankle was no longer bruised, swollen or painful...it was healed.  Her husband freaked.  She is highly intuitive and had to leave the circle after about ten minutes because the energy was overpowering.  Her husband said there was no way that thing was made by guys from the pub with sticks on ropes...the stalks of grain were "angled without breaking...as if they were melted into a right angle...and they were not dead...they continued to grow!"  He was more amazed than she was...she expected most of it.    Hehe, well, the lyrics certainly made me pay attention to your post. As for her experience with the crop circle, it doesn't seem like it was one of those advanced circles with symbols or complex patterns, because it's those that I think are fake. In any case, it's very interesting that her ankle was healed. What does that signify? To my mind, residue from a spacecraft and its fuel shouldn't be able to heal anything. So, it has to be something else, right? Maybe some supernatural force already on earth? It boggles the mind.

She had a picture of it from the sky and it was a shaded orb with concentrically smaller orbs within it, pretty complex and ornate...can't see some beer-buzzed dudes from the pub working that one out.  As for the healing...she thought because the area was an energy point that it enabled her to heal so rapidly...not that a ufo lit there.  Her opinion, like your posit, is that some force of energy, not a physical spacecraft, causes these things.  She said that those who watch these things, that stay up all night to catch whoever is doing it, said they only see small orbs of light flying over the fields, then when its light, the design is evident.

The mind, does indeed, boggle... 

I'd buy the crop circle stuff.