Could we come back and live the same life we have now,than make the changes we should have made and be more spiritual.we have made a lot of misstakes in this life,that we could change a lot of things.what do you guys think?

Anything is possible, but I'm of the mind that our soul is living all of its lives simulatenously, now. So you can be a sheepherder and an astronaut 300 years into our future, all at the same time. So, under those circumstances, no you can't "come back" cuz you are already there. But anything is possible!

George,


george stone wrote on Mar 14^th, 2010 at 4:07pm:

Could we come back and live the same life we have now,than make the changes we should have made and be more spiritual.we have made a lot of misstakes in this life,that we could change a lot of things.

Since we have lived this life, and learned some things, maybe as a result who and what we perceive ourselves to be has changed.  Maybe we learned something from those things we call "mistakes."  Maybe we have become a different person.

Since we have become a little different person as a result of making those mistakes is it likely we would make the very first mistake of that next lifetime in exactly the same way we did during the present life time?  Andif we didn't make exactly the same mistake in exactly the same way is it likely we would be led to make second mistake in exactly the same way?  I think not.  And I think that whatever we did in that next lifetime would lead us to a whole new set of experiences, some of which we would later call mistakes.  So, what's the value of reliving exactly the same life?  Wouldn't it be just as worth while to live an entirely new life with an entirely new set of events to learn from?  With the possibility of learning more about some things and learning some new things too?

I am one of those people who believes we can never step in the same river twice.  And not just because the river changes from moment to moment as it flows.  But also because I as the one stepping into the river change from moment to moment too.

Bruce

There are sources that claim it is possible to relive specific events from one's previous life in the afterlife, the purpose being to have the opportunity to make different choices and learn from them.  Of course, it would be more of a mental recreation of events, rather than an objective experience.

George,

Most incarnated souls are doomed to repeat there incarnated life. We live time and time again repeating and repeating due to our own inability to change and our lack of strength and resolve.

We unfortunately are a low consciousness race with very few and I mean very few willing to do the work required too move there souls forward.

So yes you could and most probably will not meaning you with that statement, most will repeat there designed plan until change is achieved.

Its sad how so many don't see the truth, its our ego's that tell us other wise, not the higher plains. Until souls see there lives as what they truly are, that being a school ground for testing and learning new skills, then they are doomed to repeat.

Just wanted to add here, my views towards this are based on journeys I've experienced through the higher dimensions.

I've been privileged to see the patterns and the repeat programs of souls I presently know, I've even seen and experienced my own last incarnation and seen through this that I was on the same road the same story was unfolding right before my eyes. I too was just repeating what had been in the past until this time I got it right I endured what I had been unable to through the past.

So this cycle is endless and even if the players are changed the story remains the same until you change.

Like it or not, that's how the whole thing works

So is the idea that we somehow, subconsciously, remember our lessons learned from a previous lifetime, and that drives us to make some different choices the next time we live "in the flesh"?

How does the universe/God/whate-have-you balance the ability for us to recall past lessons from old lives to make better choices and yet also not contaminating our fresh experience by giving us too much past information? 

It's great if we can avoid repeating mistakes, but we lose the benefit of a "fresh start" and fresh experience of life if from the time we're in diapers we are carrying around our adult memories from a past life.

Hi

Perhaps Balance's take on it is true of his recent lives but not true for all souls at all times --?

I also have a personal answer to this question you ask. I think that when a life experience is strong enough to make an impression that changes our attitudes, we progress or devolve based upon what attitudes we take on. Those attitudes then continue to accompany us into our next life where we are given the opportunity to improve them, if necessary. We improve them by successfully meeting challenging situations that have been set up for our betterment. Betterment comes when we add more caring and concern to our attitudes and hopefully even PUL and compassion.

Bets

I was thinking that,if we were to go to another lifetime.in an other body,I would lose all i have gained in this life.Dose that make sense to you.George

You mean that you would lose the ego. The individuality. The self-consciousness.

I do not think this is so. I believe that because if you were not to carry your self consciousness with you, then you could not carry your experiences, knowledge, and everything in your life which contributed to your being. You would simply become something else entirely, without an reflection of YOU. If this occurred, then death would have no meaning to YOU but only some being in or outside of this world. If your self consciousness dies, YOU die. Therefore there wouldn't really be an "Afterlife" because there is nothing of yourself to experience it with.

Some people seem to believe (and actually are content believing) that we do lose the self consciousness/ego/you and merge with the connection of energy that is everything to become one whole being or something like that. What they don't realize in this belief is how similar it connects with atheistic beliefs and what people are most afraid of involving death---which is that there isn't anything better from here. Sure, something happens and your "soul" experiences wonderful things but what is your soul without you?

I hate the belief that the self consciousness and the consciousness have to be separate. The point isn't making one better than the other. The point is equaling them to perfection.

Part of the beginning to that is even recognizing what all of us are talking about. Do you have any idea how many people in the world do not and will not understand the importance of consciousness? Our ability to just go "Ok. I am way more than what I thought I was, and life is much much bigger than what I perceived it to be" is an incredible thing. That is a really big, big step to figuring out what you need to do in this life.

The main thing is just knowing that it is about improvement. Self improvement, improvement of others, and improvement of your environment. Having that understanding is like a gift in itself. We should all consider ourselves incredibly fortunate.

While I tend to think we keep our individuality in the afterlife, I'm less confident about reincarnation.

Not just in general, but even assuming it does happen, I don't know what to think about how much we retain from our previous lives.

It's not that I believe the old personality is annihilated.  I was thinking more along the lines of "It's still 'out there' and merges with the newer personality upon its physical death."

I think that the concept of reincarnation, whether its true or false, is pretty silly. The way I always imagined it and thought it made sense is that every soul is new and develops through the experiences of its human life. There are tools everywhere to make that experience easier. Developing the consciousness for one is part of this.

Then I figured you die and you see the truth to existence and understand eternity. Your development continues here. If you made one too many mistakes, you will go through experiences in the Afterlife to absolve yourself. If you don't want to accept your fate, then of course thats your free will and you become a ghost until you move on. I've seen ghosts so I know they're real. They obviously didn't reincarnate, nor did they move forward.

Now the only way reincarnation might make some sense to me is if each soul had to experience each lifetime of the human consciousness. Though it only takes some observation to see there are a ton of people which obviously haven't learned anything or given any institution to living before their one life. So if new souls exist, then clearly it isnt required to experience all of time.

And the way which has reincarnation make the most sense to me is that it is always decided by the soul and never forced. They can continue to develop in the Afterlife, or experience Earth again. There will always be souls which choose differently.

I think we continue to evolve and I don't know if that means we reincarnate or not. It seems to me if you don't pass the third grade then you go back or send yourself back to learn those lessons, but whether the lessons already learned are still in your program I'm not sure, but that's why living the exact same life to me would be rather impossible. As opposed to Mark Andrew I feel that the new personality is actual the original personality and though it may feel new is actually the deeper or higher self. If you think about it we are kind of fractals of our higher selves (The Actors). The character is not forgotten but the necessary lessons are instilled or they are not. The Actor is the only one who knows for sure if it must repeat to gain further information to evolve. This life is a self help course kind of, but not for the little you. Because we are a fraction of our total Selves we can only give growth to the Actor by maintaining our own complex character while here. Actual reincarnation isn't what's happening in my opinion. We come in as the Actor portraying a different character whether it is on Earth or some other "reality". And I don't think learning is the only reason to come in here. To many this is just a ride on the ferris wheel or roller coaster. Everyone does not deal with the same junk as everyone else. No one is ahead of anyone else.

Campbell talks about probabilities in his books and that we can go back to where a choice was made and look at how it might have turned out differently but it is still a virtual experience that does not affect the overall evolution of the System. It took me a while to grasp the idea even a little bit, but as I am forming my TOE (Theory of Everything) I begin to see how this might make good sense.

"Change" "Improvement" "Evolution" are what I have understood best to describe the purpose of life. I think that if you can live out a full life and be on your death bed and be able to say that you are completely satisfied with your life experience and with who you are, reincarnation is probably no longer required. You transcend and the next stage of your development begins.

I think we have discussed this before with your metaphor in that I also believe it is possible to become the actor in this life. You won't have to wait for death. The experience of increased consciousness is so life altering that the character changes entirely to what I could only conceive to be the actor. It's not a widely common thing, but it does happen. Then the actor can continue the role as itself and improve from there on. A person who is all character is most certainly one living strictly with the ego. But once the character and the actor merge to one individual, all aspects of the consciousness can develop and improve (including the ego).

So you think after this life,you will move on to a higher relm.Stone the earth was made for learning.Do you think you have learned all that you have done in this life,is all you need?look back on your life and see that you are not even close to moving to a higher place.all have sinned,and all have failed.no matter how much we have learned,its just the tip of the iceberg.

It will still be the tip of the iceberg no matter how far along you get, I predict. I don't think anyone else is judging us, just the Actor within. And I am certainly not worthy to judge stone and george and besides my hands are full working on myself.

george stone wrote on Apr 14^th, 2010 at 6:39pm:

So you think after this life,you will move on to a higher relm.Stone the earth was made for learning.Do you think you have learned all that you have done in this life,is all you need?look back on your life and see that you are not even close to moving to a higher place.all have sinned,and all have failed.no matter how much we have learned,its just the tip of the iceberg.

Oh I most certainly would not say I've learned or spent my full time here. I'm only 23. I've got way more to develop and experience, and I'm eager to do so. I do think I'm at a pretty good spot for my age though. I would agree that the Earth is more of a training ground and preview to the main event. I would prefer not to return at the end of my life and instead continue into my transcendence, but I would return more for the benefit of the race and planet rather than myself. I recognize my weaknesses and those are what I will concentrate on in regards to my self conscious. I just hope that I get to experience the world changing for the better in my lifetime, and I hope to leave a generation behind me with the knowledge of what I have learned and accomplished.

George, I don't think it is possible to relive the same lifetime in the same body...to basically rewind a life and do it again.  It may be possible to energetically recreate certain portions of it, but to re-do it in a human body does not fit anything I understand.

It seems to me that even while theories abound regarding all chronological time to actually have already occurred in an instant, and despite the understanding that as we live out our lives in chronological time, we are simply filling in the blanks with our free will in events that have already substantially occurred, there would be even less opportunity to relive an already lived life.

Regardless, I do not think anything you do, think, feel, say, hear, as George, or any other  incarnate entity you have ever been, is ever forgotten by your soul.  I mentioned in another thread that during past life meditation I apparently view my past life from the standpoint of my soul...I can see all around me as the incarnate entity...I can see both what the entity saw as well as the entity while he was looking at it...I could feel the emotions felt by the entity, I could feel emotions, thoughts and feelings that the entity had no concept of at the time or ever.  We as incarnate human beings are receptive devices that give the soul a great deal more information than we can conceive or process with our human brains.  (an interesting note:  while observing my previous entities, the entity was never aware of all the beings/souls surrounding him at all times, and sometimes only two or three, but often eight or ten and sometimes more...me as the being never saw them but as a soul I could, and they showered love on the being at all times...we are never alone and unloved) We are providing our soul with unbelieveble levels of information and experiential data from which to draw, inspire and grow.  Your incarnate being is a limited, physical biological entity animated with an eternal soul which has received information from probably thousands of previous bodies...the information your soul holds is absolutely inconceivable to our human perception, but it all becomes clear upon our passing as you become the real and full you, your soul...and not restricted by your physical confines. 

This is my two cents on an interesting topic and thank you for posting it.