Why would anyone want to live in the physical world when the afterlife is so much better? :-?

Inventech5 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2010 at 9:41pm:

Why would anyone want to live in the physical world when the afterlife is so much better? :-?

Hi Inventech5: That is an interesting question. I don't plan on coming back. Presumably I will be accompanying Robert Monroe incompany in the escape velocity procedure. But, remember right now most don't have a choice they are trapped in the Karmic cycle. Robert Bruce says he thinks anyone who doesn't want to be in the physical plane is nuts... this is where it is all happening. But, remember he is becoming a Facilitator (see my thread Re: The Facilitator) and creating a Light body which will give him control over his comings and goings... that is a whole world of difference between the involuntary birth cycle and the random incarnations into some horrifying situations... not my idea of fun.

S.

I don't know.
Can I play jazz gigs/ classical gigs/ conduct orchestras/  watch Steam trains/ model railroads/ see fabulous scenery/ listen to music/ fall in love/ watch Star Trek TNG & Voyager in the afterlife?

Either way I have to come back again, as I'm just getting a handle on this music lark and there's far too much more to find out and learn about music for this lifetime (let alone modelling railroads... ;D)

Best wishes,
David.

different yes, but better....depends on your view point. Even given its addictiveness, the physical is a cool place to experience. I think its more fun the better you are at controlling that experience and the learning curve. Getting entrapped by the expearence..well...not so fun. Perhaps a floating or moving line would be better. Being able to exist comfortably in both levels/areas of consciousness. At will. This is a place of choices,wonderment, learning and love. I think it best to choose which experiences you would like to partake in and the time spent in this level of consciousness will be much more rewarding and worthy of the efforts it takes to be here. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. 

Inventech5 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2010 at 9:41pm:

Why would anyone want to live in the physical world when the afterlife is so much better? :-?

I think it's for the experiences such as sex and emotion.  In the whole scheme of things and if we live forever, this focus may just be a fun ride or a nightmare with loads of variety.

Yeah, it's exactly like Disneyland.....sarcasm..... :)

I was a bit of an 'accident', kind of threw off the 'orbits' of a lot of people when I arrived. My mother occasionally said that I must have "really wanted to be here".

Maybe we didn't really want to be here, but we did want to be with each other, talking just like this. You can see what a challenge it is sometimes to communicate with those in the afterlife, because we feel so 'securely' in this world. So, presumably, we knew that, before coming here.

Maybe we thought love would be better this way, here, all together. Since we knew some of us would be waiting for the others when they returned, most of us wanted to come along and experience this place.

For good or for bad, the image of a young mother and her child: well, that's attractive. Obviously, lots of folks wanted to experience that.

I come back for the challenge.  That rush when you almost got your fool self killed doing something, but didn't, and by God you're alive!  Figuring something out that you were sure you couldn't do, and the tractor starts, or the dog finally learns his command, or any of a thousand things like that...those things aren't the same when you're somewhere that even if you self-impose challenges, you still know they're self-imposed.  It'll be a long time before I quit coming back, I imagine.

My understanding is that we engage in physical lives in order to greatly enhance our chosen experiences;  those which occur in a three dimensional, dense location with the illusion of separateness provides various stressors which increase the value and effect of any experience.

I have spoken to someone who says her lives take place in a series of four lives, or quatrains, in which she works on a specific area of experience.  Does this sound familiar to anyone of you?  I am apparently in the fourth life of four in rapid succession, and while this, too, sounds like a quatrain, I have no idea what those other recent lives were about, nor whether there was any common thread.   

Why aren't we born with the memories and knowledge of our prior lives?

hi inventec5 i have always felt when we experience dejarvu,they could be past memories from other lives we have lived,have you ever felt at times like you are sure you have done or been somewhere before,knowing that you haven't done or been there before in this life.

love and god bless    love juditha

It'd be kind of hard to act all cute and innocent while we grow up if we were born that way, knowing so much, remembering our previous lives.

And we'd probably come out the womb even grumpier than we already do.

Can you imagine? If we remembered everything we'd already gone through, at birth? I'm sure some people do remember more than others. That wouldn't be me.

Do we remember everything after death?

I believe 'forgetting' is a gift. Maybe some people need it sooner than others....and maybe they get it.

Inventech5 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 5:59pm:

Do we remember everything after death?

I asked one of my readers and she said that after our body dies we are brought forward back into our spiritual life, either slowly or quickly dependent on our comfort level.  Everything comes back to us...all previous lives, experiences, thoughts and it is dependent on what we need to clear up about the immediately past life that determines the "timeframe"...although time as we know it does not exist in spirit.

I certainly don't claim to have all the answers, but here is my understanding (roughly) as of this time:

Physical life is an "adventure land" of sorts, in that it's a temporary place we go to have experiences we can't get anywhere else, and I think what makes that true is the very fact that we DON'T remember our past lives (if we have any) and that the threat of danger, pain, other bad things is part of what makes it unique/special/worth it because the reason we're here is to grow spiritually.

I think it's hard to grow spiritually in a world where there is no pain, no hardship, no danger, no risk, etc. (the afterlife).  Sure, there's lots you can probably still do with regards to access to knowledge, observation, and unlimited time to think about whatever you want, but only in a world like ours can you face challenges that you simply cannot face in a place like the afterlife.  This physical world allows us to challenge ourselves.

And again, I think that's why we don't remember our past lives upon a new trip:  It would tamper the experience of life to be born with all of your memories.  You'd be an "old man" in the body of a newborn infant.  Good luck experiencing your youth and what it means to grow, learn, gain new experiences, etc. if you come in "knowing it all" so to speak, with regards to what you can expect out of life (generally speaking).

And then, once you die, you have your life review, and then you recall your past lives, and pool the new data with the knowledge you had prior to your new birth, and all of that adds up to refining who you are as a spiritual being, allowing you to grow/evolve/advance.

What is the ultimate goal that our spirits are trying to achieve by "growing/evolving/advancing"?

Inventech5 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2010 at 12:35am:

What is the ultimate goal that our spirits are trying to achieve by "growing/evolving/advancing"?

Ultimate goal?  Does evolution/growth ever really stop if you're eternal?

I don't have an answer.  I make no claims to "knowing it all" by any stretch.

Hi

I've read that many mystics say the ultimate goal is re-union with the Source, God, God-head, by whatever name.

Afterlife experiences point us in the direction of losing our ego-identities and uniting to some extent with others, whether it's just to communicate with others without physical means, or through soul-melds, or in the wondrous obliteration of self that experiencers of NDEs have.

I think we're taking steps in that direction of getting back to our Source.   :)

Bets

I've wondered often what is the purpose of being here and why with our memories wiped clean. 

I imagine what would happen if it were to happen to us now, while alive, I mean, what if we suddenly lost our memory and woke up at some random place on the planet, with random people?  We would have an opportunity to have experiences that were not bound and tied to what we had been before. 

Then, later, to regain our memory again and have reunion with our former families and friends.  Wouldn't that be a very useful experience?  Kinda reminds me of "Lost".  Hey!  maybe that's what that crazy show is all about! 

I'm just saying that I can see how a opportunity to be here with time/space limitations and with a temporarily wiped memory could be very useful, a chance to grow.  Though very difficult while going through it.  I just keep telling myself it must be worth it, or I wouldn't have chosen it.

One of the problems of forgetting to my mind is the fact that just as we get a handle on things and maybe achieve some wisdom its time to go home. Then when we start again, all of that previous wisdom and experience is lost and we might spend the first forty or more years trying to get back to where we were the last time around?
To me this all seems a bit inefficient. Or is there a way of getting that knowing back without breaching some kind of 'memory rule'?
I'm not suggesting that we need to know exactly what we achieved (or didn't achieve) in a previous life, but surely we could all make more progress and 'get it right' with some inner knowing.
The reason I ask this is that I know some young students who know exactly who and what they are, what they're supposed to be doing, and where they're headed in life, and that doesn't imply that they're exclusively spiritually oriented.
For each one of those, there are probably millions thrashing about and seeking their path or purpose in life.
How do we get to the 'on course' knowing?

Best wishes,
David.

I have known people who have always known what they were going to do/be and then.... for one reason or another their life heads in a totally unexpected direction. I work with a chap who always wanted to be an airline pilot, he borrowed money, he worked his way up from single pistons to jet liners over years and then discovered he hated flying jet liners ! Now he has nothing to do with planes !

Maybe the purpose of life is not so much to learn but to experience and create newness.