Perhaps god is a duality 1(evil) below dominance of death in nature

Life is sustained by death (evil god)

The main piece of evidence here is biological matter and the food chain. All life dies biological life decays, erodes, fades, and becomes diseased and ill if it does not sustain itself.

To sustain itself nearly all life, except the least living elements of life, kills and eats other life. If not this, then it consumes biological matter at the expense of other living beings; the fight for food is also a case of living beings being required to outdo each other merely to survive.

If life was created, and not simply the result of undirected unconscious evolution (as seems sensible), this is surely the worst possible way to have created life. It appears very much that life cannot survive without causing suffering for other life.

A god could not have created a more vicious cycle if it tried: tying the very existence of life with the necessary killing of other life is the work of an evil genius, not of an all-powerful and all-loving god, that could choose if it wanted to sustain all life immediately and forever with manna from heaven. However, it seems such an all-powerful good god does not exist


“A god could not have created a more vicious cycle if it tried: tying the very existence of life with the necessary killing of other life is the work of an evil genius, not of an all-powerful and all-loving god “(maybe?)

Or

Alternatively, god created evil for a purpose we cannot comprehend.

On the other hand, evil comes from the creation (us) and not the creator. .I can’t buy this as it makes god out as a imperfect fallible creator

On the other hand, there could be two fundamental gods. 1. = Evil dark hating vengeful unforgiving author of death (maybe called Satan or Devil.).

2. The God of our understanding, goodness, mercy, forgiveness light hope and infinite love (strangely have written a short story based on just this very concept, I can email it to you if you want.

On transgression or evil call it what you will, I definitely differentiate here. For example, a poor boy steals a loaf of bread for his starving family equated to the evil of a Hitler. Surely, a merciful God cannot view the consequences for these two transgressions in the same light.

Regards

Alan

hi alan i have never beleived that our loving god would have allowed hitler to come on this earth and do these terrible attrocities against the jewish people,after all he was born with freewill like the rest of us.

he chose to do these evil acts with the one thing he received from god his freewill,and hitler turned his freewill into being the devils advosary.

hitlers mind the way it worked,i cant even comprehend that he was human,my mind cant understand how this man could have caused all this pain to man woman and child,and never ever felt any mercy or remorse for his crimes against humanity.

everytime i think of him,i only see this image of hitler sitting against this rock in the lowest crevices,its damp,its dark,there is slime falling down his face constantly,if a good spirit goes there ,he turns away from it and starts hissing and spitting at it,thats the only vision i see of him

love and god bless     love juditha

"Evil" is a word, Alan. So is "God". So is "illusion".

All are words out of which we write our story.

There's so much more to life than "dog eats dog".

We get confused when we keep asking "why?"

What is the simplest answer? Probably the right one.

What is the simplest answer? "I don't know."

Hi Juditha.

I've re-written this post several times because it just doesn't sound politically correct, but here goes anyway. Just to preface that my family lost most of our family members both in the concentration camps and the gas chambers so I might be reasonably expected/justified to be 'anti-hitler'.

I am coming around to the belief that things are pre-ordained before we arrive on earth. That is we plan out the theme of our life with our guides and trusted elders, the things we want to achieve and the challenges which thwart our progress which we want to overcome.

I think as a part of this, we set up contracts with others to interact with us, in order to set into place the achievements/challenges for this lifetime.

I also believe in free will.

With this in mind, it occurs to me that people like hitler might be also contributing to helping others achieve their own chart goals. We read past life stories of people who were torturers in one life deciding to be victims in the next, to fully experience the interaction from both perspectives (call it karma perhaps but I think karma is self imposed)

I think its unlikely that Hitler's chart for his most recent lifetime included killing millions of people in the most inhumane way and becoming one of the most hated and wretched people of all time  ... 

But perhaps he agreed to come into this life to give others the victim experience on a far smaller scale than what occurred but free-will / ego / greed / chemical imbalance / evil (whatever you want to call it) intercepted.

It could just be that he was just evil which I think most would prefer to believe, as it takes the humanity out of it. Could one of us do what he did? Its much easier to believe it was at the hands of a force outside of humanity.

Can you imaging what this individual is going through now in the afterlife, knowing how wrong things went with the blood of millions on his hands. 99.99% of society would say he deserves to "burn in hell" which he most likely is self-creating and thus participating in.

Does he deserve forgiveness? 99.99% would say no but that is a purely personal choice. Although I never met my family members who perished under his regime (and I guess I might feel differently if I did) I can feel a small amount of compassion and forgivness.

Where does god fit into all of this ... ? I don't know. I can only use the context of my current life experience as a father knowing he has to let his kids get hurt sometimes in order to grow. To shield them from all of life's harm is to stunt them and rob them of the full experience of life. Perhaps on an eternal scale, this is what is going on at God's level.


wrote on Jan 14^th, 2010 at 12:08pm:

hi alan i have never beleived that our loving god would have allowed hitler to come on this earth and do these terrible attrocities against the jewish people,after all he was born with freewill like the rest of us. he chose to do these evil acts with the one thing he received from god his freewill,and hitler turned his freewill into being the devils advosary. hitlers mind the way it worked,i cant even comprehend that he was human,my mind cant understand how this man could have caused all this pain to man woman and child,and never ever felt any mercy or remorse for his crimes against humanity. everytime i think of him,i only see this image of hitler sitting against this rock in the lowest crevices,its damp,its dark,there is slime falling down his face constantly,if a good spirit goes there ,he turns away from it and starts hissing and spitting at it,thats the only vision i see of him love and god bless     love juditha

I don't wish to be an apologist for Hitler but an awful lot of people had to agree to and implement his brand of genocide. Also, when we are talking genocide we could also include Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Kosova, Rwanda etc etc. What despots share is a callous inhumanity to people who they feel are not like them i.e. subhuman. They also believe totally that what they believe is The Truth; anyone who does'nt share/meet that vision must be destroyed.

For me its important not to fall into the trap of hating (and become like Hitler) but to move on and guard against thought processes conducive to horrors such as genocide. Lets not forget that some of our 'good guys' e.g 'bomber' Harris WWII ( Dresden) and allied commanders of the Iraq war have been accused of war crimes too...

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