Someone recently said in a post here that TMI limits how far its participants can explore, or words to that effect, and that we can all start and continue exploring the afterlife/expanded consciousness on our own.  I am sure that is true for that poster and for others.  However, for many of us it is not.

My take is that the afterlife is like a huge mansion of many rooms.  For some of us, it is easy to see and find the front door, walk right in and explore many, if not all, of the rooms on our own.  For others of us, we think the mansion is there, but we can't quite see it and don't have a clue how to find the front door.  We need help in finding the door, a friendly guide to open it and lead us through, then more help in exploring a few rooms.  Maybe we will find our way to match the explorations of the "naturals" and maybe we won't.  Many of us are probably somewhere in between - just point to the door and we are on our way.

I find myself in that group who thinks the mansion is there but need all the help I can get to find the door and start to explore.  I wish it were otherwise, but I've been stuck in my head far too long.  I am off to Gateway Voyage at TMI this Friday.  I hope I'll make it through the front door and explore a room or two while there.  Then who knows?

For my part, I enjoy reading the views and experiences of everyone here, both experienced and novice explorers.  I hope I'll someday be among the experienced.  Wish me luck!

Good luck Pat,

Enjoy your way of exploring ;)

with love,
Eelco

I wish you much luck Pat. Find something that resonates with you. It.s all you can do. Dont need no diet don't need no religion or guru (Gee you are you, I stole that from bette on Tom Campbell's discussion board. Your calling is in your name. Spell it out the way you like it said. You will find your way, my dear.

Best wishes to you Pat, on your journey. Please come back afterwards and let us know how things went for you.

Hi Pat,

That's great that you are opening new doors just by attending.  I believe an important key is keeping PUL in mind and heart.

Have a wonderful time!

Bets

Pat E. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2009 at 2:11am:

Someone recently said in a post here that TMI limits how far its participants can explore, or words to that effect, and that we can all start and continue exploring the afterlife/expanded consciousness on our own.  I am sure that is true for that poster and for others.  However, for many of us it is not. My take is that the afterlife is like a huge mansion of many rooms.  For some of us, it is easy to see and find the front door, walk right in and explore many, if not all, of the rooms on our own.  For others of us, we think the mansion is there, but we can't quite see it and don't have a clue how to find the front door.  We need help in finding the door, a friendly guide to open it and lead us through, then more help in exploring a few rooms.  Maybe we will find our way to match the explorations of the "naturals" and maybe we won't.  Many of us are probably somewhere in between - just point to the door and we are on our way. I find myself in that group who thinks the mansion is there but need all the help I can get to find the door and start to explore.  I wish it were otherwise, but I've been stuck in my head far too long.  I am off to Gateway Voyage at TMI this Friday.  I hope I'll make it through the front door and explore a room or two while there.  Then who knows? For my part, I enjoy reading the views and experiences of everyone here, both experienced and novice explorers.  I hope I'll someday be among the experienced.  Wish me luck!

Hi Pat: Outstanding that you are taking this step. You won't see this until Monday or so I think... but every journey begins with the first step. Keep us posted on your progress there is a lot of help on this board.

Seraphis1

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Someone recently said in a post here that TMI limits how far its participants can explore

Yes, it was Thomas(tgecks) who said this, and it is true.  There is always a limit on each excerise.. some of them stop at focus 10, some stop at focus 21, some stop at focus 27, ect...  The brainwaves they generate get progressively deeper to a certain point, and they stay at that point until the end of the excerise, when they then bring you back to normal consciousness.  So say you want to explore "farther" than focus 27... well, if the frequencies being pumped into your cranium are influencing your brainwaves to stay at the focus 27 level, it will be much more difficult to go beyond that level.

When I explore I tend not to compare my experiences to the Monroe model of focus levels.  Sometimes the experiences match what would be attributes of, say, focus 27, but I think it may be best to forget about the numbers and levels, for they really can limit your experience.  If one concentrates too much on going through each focus level, and reaching the "top", focus 27, this can influence one's expectations and shut out any possible experience that does not allign with those expectations.

I've had experiences which cannot be described by Monroe's focus levels, as Thomas has as well.  He shared an experience with me where he questioned the teachers at TMI in a group meeting during one of the programs there, regarding the limitations that the TMI exercises set and his experience in going far beyond these limitations, and he was thrown out! 

I believe that the TMI exercises are great tools to help explore nonphysical dimensions, but once you get the hang of it, they are not really neccessary, and can actually hinder progression into deeper levels.

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I Am Dude wrote on Nov 29^th, 2009 at 7:54pm:

Quote: Someone recently said in a post here that TMI limits how far its participants can explore Yes, it was Thomas(tgecks) who said this, and it is true.  There is always a limit on each excerise.. some of them stop at focus 10, some stop at focus 21, some stop at focus 27, ect...  The brainwaves they generate get progressively deeper to a certain point, and they stay at that point until the end of the excerise, when they then bring you back to normal consciousness.  So say you want to explore "farther" than focus 27... well, if the frequencies being pumped into your cranium are influencing your brainwaves to stay at the focus 27 level, it will be much more difficult to go beyond that level. When I explore I tend not to compare my experiences to the Monroe model of focus levels.  Sometimes the experiences match what would be attributes of, say, focus 27, but I think it may be best to forget about the numbers and levels, for they really can limit your experience.  If one concentrates too much on going through each focus level, and reaching the "top", focus 27, this can influence one's expectations and shut out any possible experience that does not allign with those expectations.>> Hi All: Just for the record… to my personal knowledge and through direct memory of discussion of the above issues… no TMI trainer ever said the focus levels established for the TMI training regimes are the be all end all of the Universe and what there is to discover… what they do say is that the focus levels are arbitrary demarcation bands established by reverse engineering with a small but reliable sampling… Monroe and later researchers at TMI are confident in the approximate validity of the demarcation areas…  it is my understanding that the training seminars are designed to handle the “common denominator” of any group coming in… this is to maintain a kind of experiential equivalency that does not dump beginners and newbies in to a toilet of wild concepts far beyond their ability to comprehend or relate to… (as OBD and his ilk are wont to do… no disrespect intended… I want to make it clear I love OBD… and respect his extraordinary abilities… but he is in the stratosphere and most of us are still at the bottom of Mount Everest and wondering if we can climb it.) <<I've had experiences which cannot be described by Monroe's focus levels, as Thomas has as well.  He shared an experience with me where he questioned the teachers at TMI in a group meeting during one of the programs there, regarding the limitations that the TMI exercises set and his experience in going far beyond these limitations, and he was thrown out!>> As to the “excommunication” of St. Thomas I can’t speak to but I do know that TMI went to extraordinary lengths to make a safe place for some people who were made very uncomfortable by others in a past group because of their sexual orientation… so I do know that TMI has no particular prejudice that I know of… but, they are concerned about creating a safe environment for the “least” among us…    <<I believe that the TMI exercises are great tools to help explore nonphysical dimensions, but once you get the hang of it, they are not really neccessary, and can actually hinder progression into deeper levels.

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I don’t think anyone would argue with the above assessment… this is just for the record… I am no longer, defensive and spoiling for a fight… let me make that clear. Hee, hee… 8-)

Seraphis1

Pat,

Perhaps by the time you read this you will be back from Gateway Voyage.  Hope it was a wonderful experience and the beginning of a wonderful journey.

Bruce

Greetings Pat.

   Congratulations on your trip to The Monroe Institute. As soon as I can afford it, I would like to go there as well. I'm making progress at home, but if I went there it would be like hopping on a rocket ship to the other side. Make the most of learning how to fly in the great adventure beyond this world.

Ralph

Hi Pat,

I went through Gateway last month.  I didn't think I was limited by their structure of doing things.

A couple of people in my group didn't like the guided tapes where Bob talks a lot.  Although others liked the fact that Bob guided them through the exercises.  To each his own.  There will be exercises where Bob doesn't talk at all.

My best advice would be to let go of as many of your expectations as possible.  Just go with the flow as much you can and let the experience happen.

It is important to set your intent.  It's also important to express gratitude.

Hopefully, Joe McGoneagle will be around during your week.  That guy has some amazing stories!

Have a great time!