Hi All,  have asked for help before on this subject, and had some good suggestions..none that worked...at least not yet.   

About a year ago the gift of communication with those who have crossed over became a reality for me.  And my fiance brings in those who have crossed over who either knows me or they know I know someone who know them.   And it is very rewarding indeed.   But,  I have one spirit who must be not so high up on the ladder so to speak.  As soon as I open myself up...usually to talk to my fiance, he just butts in.  I know this much about him,  he doesn't seem to see anything except what is happening at the moment, he knows my thoughts and then talks about it, repeats himself, pretends to be others, thinks it is all a joke,  nice one minute, wishing me dead the next.   I have ignored him, not recognized any of his comments, soon as he starts to speak, I just cut him off in my head.   He tells me no one can get rid of him and he is not leaving.   I have tried, prayers, white light, saging, etc  but he thinks it is all pretty funny.  He seems very immature  and try as I might, he won't leave.  I have tried calling to his spirit family, to his guides, I have asked my guides for help...but he is still here.  I know there must be away, some universal law that will if not make him go away, at least allows me to block him from my mind, my personal space...... Any suggestions...please!

Chantilly

Hi Chantilly,

It sounds to me as though he is "getting his kicks" by annoying you and it is working.  Instead of trying to get rid of him, allow yourself to feel (and I emphasize feel) 100% genuine unconditional love for him. Tell him you love him just the way he is, no matter what he does or says to you and allow yourself to radiate love toward him. You could even tell him he can do as he pleases... stay or go as he desires and that it won't bother you if he decides to stay.

Quite possibly, once he sees that he can no longer cause you to become annoyed with him, he will leave.  If not, continue to show love for him unconditionally.  There will be lessons here for both of you.

Kathy

Thanks Kathy,  After a year of this....I have done all of that.   I tried prayers and light towards him, asking him what is keeping him here, what can I do to help, and frankly, I don't care if he stays...as long as i can't hear him talk to me or basically interrupt when others are speaking to me.   And I think it is hard to reason or speak to someone who basically doesn't care about others.   That is why if there is some universal law that he must obey...respectifully.   I realize we have free will, but he is infringing on my will to be left alone.

ChantillyChopper,

Being accepting towards spirits by loving their crap brings its own set of lessons.

For astral defense, visualising an eggshell consisting of gold light/energy around one's fields works very well. Also sending a few little gold light zaps as a return to sender puts out a message if the annoyer won't stop.

Chantilly Chopper, I was given this message for you last night at the beginning of a meditation. I was told that you should find out what subjects this entity is NOT fond of. For instance, is there a book, in particular, that this entity does not like? Read it incessantly, silently, out loud, and promise the entity that you will continue doing this as long as it takes. What I mean is, it doesn't have to be unpleasant to You, but you should find out how the spirit reacts to it.

The word incessantly was impressed on me. It is the repeating nature of the material you choose which will make the entity move away from you.

You are in control of this story, not the entity.

C Chopper-

Emanuel Swedenborg, who undoubtedly did more first hand exploration of the afterlife than anyone else living or dead, had much valuable information to say about it.

Although he obtained a tremendous amount of data about the nature of the afterlife, including various heavens and hells, he also repeatedly warned others not to attempt to do explorations on their own.

The reason is that there is a lot of deception in the afterlife (just as there is in this life) and it takes a vast amount of experience to separate out fact from fiction.

Even more dangerous is the fact that not everyone in the spirit world is benign.  Some spirits...again, just like people on earth....are malicious and take great joy in harming others.  ES himself was attacked more than once while visiting the afterlife.

Here's the thing: When you contacted your fiance, you automatically opened yourself up to the influence of others.  It's not like here on earth where you can have a private meeting or conversation.  Quite the opposite.

Sending PUL to the unwanted entities unfortunately has little or no effect.  In fact, it can actually enrage them and entice them to continue and even increase their harrassment. 

ES said that all of us have our own angels for protection, just as we all have our own negative spirits that entice and tempt us.  The struggle continues throughout our lives, and it is the choices we make that are important to our own enlightenment.

If I were you, I would stop consciously trying to communicate with your fiance.  You will get the messages you need other ways, i.e. dreams.  And be sure to pray for protection. 

Don't engage these entities....that's what they want you to do and they derive great satisfaction and enjoyment the more they upset you.

Bruce has warned about using the Ouija board, for the same reasons ES warned about afterlife explorations.  You never know who you will attract, and the risk is just too great to take the chance.

R

ChantillyChopper wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 10:54pm:

Thanks Kathy,  After a year of this....I have done all of that.   I tried prayers and light towards him, asking him what is keeping him here, what can I do to help, and frankly, I don't care if he stays...as long as i can't hear him talk to me or basically interrupt when others are speaking to me.   And I think it is hard to reason or speak to someone who basically doesn't care about others.   That is why if there is some universal law that he must obey...respectifully.   I realize we have free will, but he is infringing on my will to be left alone.

You're welcome :-)

Yes the nonphysical does have rules but none to prevent him from talking to you. Basically he is a bit like a bully. What is likely motivating him is fear and perhaps even a bit of loneliness. It makes him feel more powerful when he's able to annoy you. Perhaps your desire for him to stop talking/leave you alone is putting a condition on the love you've tried to feel for him.

Unconditional love is not a matter of you putting up with his "crap" either. You can simply let whatever he says "go in one ear and out the other" so to speak without paying any attention to it. Just let it go right through you without you reacting to it. It is the reaction you are giving to him that is keeping him around. In some way he is benefitting from it even if it is only to feed his ego.

Or perhaps as Volu mentions, strengthening your auric field by infusing it with gold light will help. You could certainly try.

Kathy

Thanks everyone.   Believe  it or not over this past year I have done many things.  I have read the bible over and over...that seems to annoy him, but he stuck around. I have completely ignored his conversations, and I pretty much have decided that trying to speak with my beloved by me starting the conversation will just have to end.  And it is true, when he does need to get to me, he does.  Like last night I had  what I call a contact dream.  I love those.   I have done the  zapping with light suggested similar to another suggestion here before,   and I will try all that I can.  I will re-read each of your suggestions again.  But perhaps if I have no conversations with others at all, he will just get bored and go away. 

I was just hoping that there was some universal spirit law that those who crossed over must obey.   Any other suggestions or comments will be very much appreciated....   My knowledge is so limited, but I know that being able to hear spirits in the way that I do is a great gift.   And when I get connected with someone who has something to tell a loved one, it is indeed a great honor to deliver the message. 

A quick note the first time this happened....even though my fiance brought him to me...or at least introduced him to me...I sent him away.  My best friends brother has passed suddenly, and it was him, when I realized the name Robert was the same...I called her, and then I asked her if her brothers middle name started with a W.  she said yes...then I wanted to slap myself for being rude to her brothers spirit. 

Chantilly Chopper

   

If you're going to communicate with spirits, chances are that you might communicate with unfriendly spirits now and then.

I've found "that it is" helpful to send unfriendly spirits love and to try to get them to go to the light, regardless of what Emanuel Swedenborg or anybody else says. When we allow ourselves to respond with love, we allow ourselves to connect to divine will, and what could have more strength than divine will?

When you send an unfriendly spirit love, you let such a spirit know that you aren't intimidated. What can it do to you then? Communicate peanut gallery comments to you? Big deal.

It is also an energetic issue. Unless an unfriendly spirit wants to abide at a love level, it will have a hard time maintaining a connection. If an unfriendly spirit is able to make an energetic connection to a person, there might be a part of this person that enables such a connection to take place. If he (or she) gains freedom from this part of self, he is less likely to make a connection.  The connections I've made have been mainly related to retrievel work I do.

I've had the attitude that if an unfriendly spirit wants to hang around for a while, this gives me an extended period of time to try to inspire it in a positive way.

I've been told that some of the unfriendly spirits I've dealt with in a positive way, chose to move on to the light.

As far as I'm concerned, no spirit is beyond redemption. Somewhere inside all souls want the light, some just get confused for a while.

One thing that helps me feel confident, is that I've made a connection to Christ and other light beings. My faith in their support provides me with courage.

I don't mean to suggest that we shouldn't have confidence in ourselves, but our strength comes from our connection to the light, and our ability to choose love and light over darkness.

Even when a light being like Christ deals with an unfriendly spirit, it isn't a matter of such a spirit flexing his biceps or creating a sword.  A light being wouldn't have to do anything more than radiate love. There might be other ways in which such a being uses energy, but it would be directed by love rather than superstitious beliefs.

I decided to write a response before reading the other responses, as is probably obvious, I agree with what Kathy (Lights of Love) wrote.  It helps to have no judgment towards the spirit that tries to trouble you with the understanding that we are all headed to the same light, even though some of us get diverted for a while.



Lights of Love wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 10:27pm:

Hi Chantilly, It sounds to me as though he is "getting his kicks" by annoying you and it is working.  Instead of trying to get rid of him, allow yourself to feel (and I emphasize feel) 100% genuine unconditional love for him. Tell him you love him just the way he is, no matter what he does or says to you and allow yourself to radiate love toward him. You could even tell him he can do as he pleases... stay or go as he desires and that it won't bother you if he decides to stay. Quite possibly, once he sees that he can no longer cause you to become annoyed with him, he will leave.  If not, continue to show love for him unconditionally.  There will be lessons here for both of you. Kathy

Chantilly,

For me it's straight forward:  It's a manifestation of your Ego.

You  empower it with the focus you give to it.  You'll have to ignore its manifestation when your out there. 

Growing the quality of your consciousness by reducing fears and attachments, will dissolve it for all ...

And so how long do you think I have to ignore...before it goes away? because I have gone for the past 4 months ignoring every comment he makes.   Even when he jumps in over others.  Big Deal...some say that I have to listen to the comments of the peanut gallery....it is a big deal when someone is trying to give you a message, and this spirits likes to jump on and pretend he is now that spirit who is talking.   Trying to sort out the real from the false....although most times I can do it, is still very much annoying.   Imagine being on your cell phone and call waiting keeps beeping in, interrupting  such your conversation.......Sorry the human in me gets annoyed.   But again, I have gone months, and not let this get to me,  I shut it off as soon as he opens his mouth, but it is liking hanging up on someone...and they keep calling back.   

There have been occasions when I was in contact with a friendly spirit, and an unfriendly spirit tried to but in. It can be confusing when this happens. If I let unfriendly spirits have their way, I would never communicate with spirits at all.

There is no way I'm going to let unfriendly spirits intimidate me so I don't communicate with friendly spirits.  Because I allow myself to communicate with friendly spirits, I'm able to provide retrievel assistance that I otherwise wouldn't be able to provide. I believe it would be a trajedy if some of us didn't have the courage to communicate with friendly spirits because we might have some communication with unfriendly spirits, because then friendly spirits wouldn't be able to get us to assist them in the manner they need us to do so.

As long as we have good intentions we should be okay. We are always free to disregard a message we receive.  Just as we need to use our discrimination when it comes to sources of information that are a part of this World, we need to use our discrimination when we receive spirit messages.

Chantilly Chopper:

When that spirit tries to communicate to you, always make a point of getting it to change its way and move on to the light. Tell it things such as, "I don't know why you've chosen the path you've chosen, but at some point you were influenced in a manner that causes you to manifest in a negative way. If you continue to do so, you continue to allow yourself to be a victim of the negative influences you were once exposed to. Before you incarnated, you probably understood that you would be influenced in such a way. Yet you chose to do so, because you understood that some brave soul had to take on the responsibility of living the life you lived. You did so with the belief that you would some day see your way out of the confusion you've become immessed in.

An absolutely wonderful future awaits you.  If you acknowledge to yourself that you made some mistakes and seek help, beings who live according to love will be more than happy to help you.  If you don't choose such an approach, your existance will become worse and worse."

I then tell them, "Somewhere inside yourself you know that I am speaking the truth. I have no reason to deceive you." I send love as I send such a message. It isn't necessary to send every word.  It is enough to send the understanding the above words represent.

The below is a possibly that needs to be considered whenever a person makes contact with a presence that doesn't seem friendly.



PhantasyMan wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:28pm:

Chantilly, For me it's straight forward:  It's a manifestation of your Ego. You  empower it with the focus you give to it.  You'll have to ignore its manifestation when your out there.  Growing the quality of your consciousness by reducing fears and attachments, will dissolve it for all ...

I'm no expert, but one way of looking at it all is that  basic principles suggest that if you truly can relate to this being through love, then as Recoverer says it'll respond positively if it's intentions are positive, and find itself cut off from energy if it's seeking ego stimulation itself.

If on the other hand you behave the opposite way (agressively, even if this is subdued or masked in some way) and it's seeking ego stimulation/growth then it'll draw energy from the situation, probably hang around and even grow stronger.

The bottom line is perhaps that while the same physical limitations don't apply, the same rules of relating likely apply as in the case of this life - ego driven people are drawn to situations that stimulate the ego, while less ego inspired people may respond to love - if you can communicate this intention in a way that gets through to them past the noise of their ego.

As in life there are presumably those beings that can't be got through to.

Likewise and depending on our own state there will be situations where we genuinely can feel love towards the other, and situations where our fear will overwhelm us and where we may instinctively lash out, or whatever the mind equivalent of this is - which is of course what's likely to be attractive to a negative entity.

Going through the motions and 'thinking' loving thoughts is not at all the same thing as feeling or being or expressing love....

I do love all of the opinions and thoughts on this...and help!   I have spoken very kindly and encouraging to "Ron" the spirit in this case.  I have told him, that he has a spirit family who is waiting for him and that all he had to do was call to them or ask his guides for help.  I told him there is so much he is missing out on by not moving towards his family...that hanging around me...is surely boring indeed.  I guess he likes the fact that I can hear him.   

If I didn't fell that his interference wasn't blocking others from coming to me...I could care less if he yapped it up....I would again ignore...or again give words of encouragement.   Trust me...he even see what is happening on here  or at least reads my mind what I read, because he loves to comment on what others say..and basically laughs or gets mad....it is a dual personality for sure!  and if anyone wants to say that is an extension of my ego....well....I give up!  lol!

Chantilly

I'm not psychic, and I'm not having your experiences, so I can't say one way or the other if an aspect of your mind or an annoying spirit is pestering you.

In a way, it doesn't make a difference, because in each case whatever adds fuel to the situation needs to be taken care of.

You say you asked for help but yet you didn't receive it. Through non-physical means, I help detach spirits from people, but I don't have control of the schedule. Why some people are assisted, while others aren't, I don't know.

It sounds to me like you still want to be a person who lives her (his?) life in a good way. This being the case, it seems as if the entity you are dealing with can't influence or harm you, it can only be annoying.

Perhaps the light beings who look after you are allowing this to take place because in the end, if an annoying spirit is involved, both you and the spirit will benefit.

If you can get to the point where you know that you have no need to be concerned, even if this spirit hangs around, its reason for wanting to hang around might be nullified. The key to knowing that you don't need to be concerned has two parts: 1) understanding that it is completely up to you to chose a positive way of being if this is what you want; and 2) wanting a positive way of being.

There have been a couple of occasions where I mentally communicated to an unfriendly spirit that I don't care if it hangs around, because perhaps it will learn from me.

lol, well I assure you it is not an aspect of my mind...and funny you should mention that, because the other day a  very good friend of mine, looked at me a little crazy when I spoke about talking to other who have crossed over...not just my fiance.  So I think to make the point to my friend,  my Scott told me to say hello to this friend a few days later.  I just sat there..didn't say a word...So Scott (my fiance) said, "Go ahead Chantilly...tell him I said hello and then tell him that last night that when he took a drag off that cigar he said...man that taste good".   So I looked at my friend and I said "Scott says hello and then I repeated what he said.. and he looked at me and smiled...    I said, you said that ...didn't you?   and he said...word for word.   And the reason I believe my Scott even would mention this...was because he didn't like my friend giving me...she has lost her marbles look...and so therefore wanted to prove to him...that I indeed talk to those who have crossed over.  I don't get symbols...I don't get impressions...I hear their words...exactly.  not their distinct sound of their voice, but the words.   Although once my Scott told me I should know his voice because he speaks with a drawl...and then did the commercial of the little girl saying...."Its shake and bake and I helpppedd!  very far south that we come from,  we speak with that southern drawl.

And this spirit does not intimidate me in the least, I am not afraid of him,  I don't feel he has any power to harm me,  just the power to annoy.   

It is great that you aren't intimidated. What you wrote below puzzles me. Why would your deceased fiance introduce you to a pesty spirit? Are you certain that your fiance did so, or did something else take place?



"A quick note the first time this happened....even though my fiance brought him to me...or at least introduced him to me...I sent him away."

Recoverer, you are confused.   My fiance did not in anyway introduce me to the pesky spirit.     My fiance, will bring in people I know or who knows someone I know.    For example:  My Scott will say,  "Chantilly say hello to.....and he names them.  The first time this happened...was when I sent the spirit away....I was first surprised that I was going to talk to someone else and because of being careful of who would come in....I did not recognize that this spirit was someone I sort of knew.    

The pesky spirit started speaking to me after i moved into a new house after our accident in which my fiance was killed.   My fiance was earthbound for about two months before he crossed over.   And stayed with me all the time.   When I moved into a new house,  this spirit who was either attached to this house or for whatever reason started speaking to me about another person who was alive.   Although I don't think he even knew this person, but perhaps heard me being upset about this person and jumped in like he always does.....a leech to conversations.

Sorry about that.

Not to long ago,I was laying in my bed when it seemed that there were 3 beings on each side of my bed smoking.It got so bad that I called on my guide to come and take these smokers out of my room.in no time there was no more smoke.George

Does the pesky spirit speak to you when you aren't in the house?

yes, he talks all the time no matter where I go.   And I have sensed moved out of the house...to a house across the street.      

George strange experience...got to watch that 2nd hand smoke!!    ;)

Chantilly

chopper,I dont like the smell of smoke,and I dont like anyone on the board like you to make fun at what is real to me.George

Hi George, I didn't get the sense Chopper was making fun of you there, but rather being serious about it...I have noted myself that sometimes I get cigarette smoke in my house when there is NO ONE there but me, unless my dog has started smoking!! It can last quite a while, and I always just expect it's my dad or brother dropping in to keep in touch, as they both smoked a lot. But I don't get the sense that the smoke I am smelling in those cases can injure me, any more than the perfume I sometimes smell when my daughter is around can bother me. It's funny, how with non physical things, we can smell things that might bother us in the physical, but when it is an entity visiting, it doesn't bother us. And yet the smell is quite vivid. Vee

Ahhhhhhh George....if you didn't get that was a joke and not making fun...then please, don't comment on my conversations...and I won't comment on yours.

I have smelled the fumes of my fathers old lighters that used the old fuel....wihatever that was called. so I know it can happen,  but you need to lighten up a little....

I wonder why negative entities have such a bad name and people don't like talking to them? In all seriousness. Got to give a guy a break sometimes, not everyone is all love and light.

Why don't you do an extended interview with this entity on whatever topic it prefers, for example the nature of reality. Find out more about it, even though all the answers may be lies, you might find that this being is actually quite entertaining?

I mention this because I had contact with a negative entity, unfortunately I was under psychosis so it had some bad effects on me, however, looking back on the experience it was the most fascinating in my life!.. Talking to any entity, positive or negative, is a FANTASTIC thing! Most of the world won't believe you... so why approach this being with fear? Maybe he could sell you an award winning story (mine was a brilliant story teller, one of the best.)

On the topic of getting rid of him, I believe they don't like it if you find out their *real* name.

Also you can ask him to point to the entity he split off from. There is some other handling but I can't remember right now.

ok first, if you didn't read all of my comments, please do.   

1.  I AM NOT AFRAID OR HAVE FEAR OF THIS ENITY
2.  sometimes he is very funny and amusing
3. nothing he says is truthful  so what is the point of having any conversation with ANYONE, dead or alive who lies?
4.  He causes interference with the spirits who are trying to get to me, to get a message to a love one.
5.  I have had more conversations than I care to ever have with one person
6.  try having a chatter box live in your head
7.  you consider this entertainment,  I call it harassment

I did not let death come between me and my fiance ...I will not be the source of entertainment for some low entity who refuses to better himself.

Chantilly...

I don't really know what to say about this situation because I'm rather new and still learning about a lot of things.

I express my apologies that this is happening to you and hope that there is some resolution in the VERY near future.

Have you talked with your guides about why this is occuring?

Supermodel..thank you.    He pretends to be my guides too.   So,  I don't know whats real and what is not.   Since I never spoken to my guides, and when I ask to speak to them,...he comes up with names and has such a good old time with me.....  fools me too.   But then i realize...ok,  I don't think this is really a guide.  This just happened the other day infact....and I was really hoping this was my guide or one of my guides...but I am not so sure now.   

Wow that sounds like a nightmare situation for you. I hope that your guide does come through and is able to be of assistance.

If I were you, I'd ask for one of my "true"guides not to speak, but to "assist" for this soul to move along.

CC-

You say "He pretends to be my guides too.."

Yes, that verifies precisely what Swedenborg wrote about at length.  The afterlife is full of deception, just as this life is.

In your case, you are fortunate because you're totally aware of the deception.

Seems as if this entity is mischievous but not malicious.  Nevertheless, it is annoying and it's understandable you want to be rid of it.

When we explore the afterlife, we unwittingly open ourselves to all kinds of entities, not just those with whom we want to communicate.  The Ouija board is a perfect example, which is why Bruce and others warn against using it.

Sending "PUL" to a harmless entity may very well do the trick.  For a malicious one, not so much.

Think of those in the afterlife just as you would those in this life.  After all, they were once in this life also.

I'm sure you would be cautious before opening up your house to anyone who happens to ring the doorbell.  Take the same caution with those in the afterlife, because all of them are not harmless.

Swedenborg would pray for protection before entering the afterlife.  Not a bad idea.

R

ChantillyChopper,
"ok first, if you didn't read all of my comments, please do."   

Nice to see you got some fire (defensive power) in you,  but the same goes for you reading comments. Protecting yourself with light is different than using gold light/energy. But perhaps you are to use another way to deal with this, I don't know. A tip that might or might not work for you.

"I did not let death come between me and my fiance ...I will not be the source of entertainment for some low entity who refuses to better himself."

I agree. Finding a way to deal with this, that works for you, whatever that is, will perhaps be a lesson for this spirit. The important thing for you I guess is that the annoyance stops, and the refusal MIGHT also trigger internal questions regarding the previous actions of the spirit. "Generate your own energy, as you aren't allowed to snitch mine!"

Neil Gordon
"I mention this because I had contact with a negative entity, unfortunately I was under psychosis so it had some bad effects on me, however, looking back on the experience it was the most fascinating in my life!"

Well, different spirits have different experiences. In my younger years I had a short but vivid drug psychosis, and it was my most horrible experience in this incarnational life. I was very light polarity oriented, so that made some of the effects wacky but harmless, like taking a stroll down the local tunnel, as it was my tunnel of love. Yeh. The rough part was being attacked while being in this state. Later I wondered a lot about if dubbing the experiences for attacks was a way of dealing with my shadowside. I had good memories of the event, and later learnt to recognize the calling cards of being attacked. Took years before I came to terms with the color red. Seeing red is more than a mere saying. Though the saying implies being angry, seeing the attack is different. And suddenly becoming aware of the attacker's thoughts, and the astonishment that I could sense the thoughts. In the same period I also got aware that green could be used for a mental attack, rather than the physical red. Different intents - green can also be used for healing. Bottom line, the vibration of the attacker was really, really nasty. I did not respond, but the exposure was very powerful and made quite an impact that took a long time to recover from. I left my guard down by being a naieve stoner, so I had to pick up the pieces, and take my part of the responsibility.

When it comes to darker entities, trying to convert them is imo viewed as an attack from their perspective. And if words that rhymes with duck make you uncomfortable, fighting the dark is not only arrogant, but also having a false sense of superiority. Thinking that dark entities are weak is like the physical counterpart of crossing the street not minding the cars. Lessons coming in from both directions. Caution, when dealing with darker than the average joe, is my advice, which is very different than the fear vibration.

<<Thinking that dark entities are weak is like the physical counterpart of crossing the street not minding the cars. Lessons coming in from both directions. Caution, when dealing with darker than the average joe, is my advice>>

Volu- Yes, you are absolutely correct.  Another way to look at this is to ask yourself whether sending PUL to Charlie Manson would have avoided his murderous rampage.

Of course the answer is no.

But for whatever reason, some people seem to think that either there are no Charlie Manson types in the afterlife, or that they can be dealt with by sending loving thoughts in their direction.

Not only is that notion naive, but it can lead to very unpleasant encounters.

The best approach is to exercise caution.  Exploring the afterlife is not like a walk through Disneyland. 

R

Even if an unfriendly spirit doesn't respond to the love you send it at the moment it is okay to do so, because when you choose to send love you take a meaningful stance, rather than buying into fear. When you do so, you make a statement of what's truly important. Also, the love you send might be one of the factors that get an unfriendly spirit to change its ways. To not send love, is to not try.

Not once has it hurt me to send love. In fact there was one occasion when I wasn't in a good mood, I saw an unfriendly spirit looking at me in a meanacing way, I responded with anger, he (he?) became more angry and moved more closely to me, I realized my mistake, sent him love, and he went away.

Albert-

I agree about the importance of love.  Everything else is unimportant.  It is the motive force that is behind everything in creation.  Without it, all of us would probably cease to exist or would never have been created in the first place.

My only point is that entities in the afterlife represent the same broad spectrum of personalities that exist on earth. 

As Scott Peck points out in People of the Lie, some persons are so lacking in basic human values (i.e. sociopaths) who lack even the slightest remorse for whatever they do.  They can kill and have absolutely zero misgivings.  The documentary MSNBC did on the BTK killer makes that point, in a chilling manner.

Chances of running into a BTK or Manson type in this life is, fortunately, very small.  But they do exist.

Same thing holds true in the afterlife.  We may run into bad spirits, but not overly so, such that they may respond to feelings of love and go on their way, doing no harm.

But that doesn't mean that we will never run into an entity that doesn't respond to love or that they don't exist.  They do.

You are fortunate that no harm came your way.  But I don't think it means that no harm could ever confront you.

It's kind of like kids playing outside.  99% will come home in time for dinner, safe and sound.  But others will be abducted and we all know the horrible outcomes.

R

ChantillyChopper wrote on Sep 10^th, 2009 at 10:47am:

Supermodel..thank you.    He pretends to be my guides too.   So,  I don't know whats real and what is not.   Since I never spoken to my guides, and when I ask to speak to them,...he comes up with names and has such a good old time with me.....  fools me too.   But then i realize...ok,  I don't think this is really a guide.  This just happened the other day infact....and I was really hoping this was my guide or one of my guides...but I am not so sure now.

The entity I was in contact with had the same behavior pattern. As soon as I got fed up with him and refused to speak to him, calling on someone else, there would be "someone else" even with a different name and a different vibrational feeling. Yet I had been fooled, it was the same being.

This one "channeled" for me and fooled me into thinking one of my old school friends had passed away, and had an elaborate story about it. He took great delight in making me look like an idiot.

Sometimes I played along with it just because there seemed to be no way to speak to anyone else. I, too, came to the realization that it was useless talking to this being, because whats the point of speaking to someone who lies about EVERYTHING?

Near the end of contact with him, when he told me a story and I for once recognized it as one of his stupid games, I told him he was lying, at that point he actually disappeared of his own accord. I stopped believing his lies and deceptions and it wasn't fun for him anymore. He disappeared point blank, and I had to summon him back to have someone to talk to. But it was never the same from then on.

I hope this being is now permanently gone from my space.

Having just posted the above, I simulated a conversation with the entity in question. I don't know if the contact was real , but....

This being is filled with pure hatred, anger and enmity, the likes of which are difficult to describe. He hates me in every single sense of the word. All of his friendly interactions were simulations.

I now realize I was naive to expect anything good to ever come out of communication with a being like this. Apologies for my first post, it was naive.

Neil Gordon,
"I now realize I was naive to expect anything good to ever come out of communication with a being like this. Apologies for my first post, it was naive."

I think getting better at discerning is a good outcome. Maybe initially it may be discouraging, but eventually one may perhaps be encouraged by knowing how to sort out the weeds quickly, and instead share good times with friendly spirits.

I don't believe that everybody needs to make conscious contact with the spirit World while here in this World. However, if a person has spiritual reasons for doing so and lets his (or her) fear of unfriendly beings prevent him from doing so, then the unfriendly spirits win.

-They've succeeded in preventing a person who could help the light in some way from doing so.
-They've succeeded in preventing a person from finding a very beneficial means of spiritual growth.
-They've succeeded in preventing a person from finding out about the wonders of the World of spirit, while here in the flesh.

Well I say "phltt" to the unfriendly spirits. I'll take a look at the Spirit World without their approval. :) 

Wow.  somethings to think about here... And I dooo so appreciate it.     Yes this spirit has done the same thing, told me someone I know has just recently died, story to go with it.  And when i go yea right...he says...well I had ya going for a little while.   Very childlike,  you can't get any real info out of him..afterlife stuff,   he doesn't like to talk about himself or how he died or his time period here on earth.   just likes playing games.     So, all said and done,   he will I guess just have to get bored with me not responding or listening...although for 4 solid months I did so.   he tells me, hey i go away, but I hear you as soon as you speak to Scott and I come right to you.   

I love hearing any ideas..thoughts...conversations that you may have had with someone like this...and what to do about it.   I have tried emailing to mediums to see if they have this problem and how did they deal with it.   And I guess if I don't have my credit card number ready...they aren't answering me.  Which I find in a way shameful.  But then again,  I am sure that get all kinds of emails...and to many to respond....so,  my comment is probably unfair.

And one last thing AGAIN....I have no fear, nor am I intimated by this spirit at all.   I feel he should be placed into time out!

ChantillyChopper wrote:

"he tells me, hey i go away, but I hear you as soon as you speak to Scott and I come right to you."

That's interesting. I have the idea he has established an associative connection within you, everytime you make contact to Scott, you would think as well of Ron, like "I hope Ron will not interfere this time" and boing! you unwillingly made contact with Ron. This association probably cannot be cleared, but maybe, with training, added by other associations, like "Ron isn't able to communicate with me" or so.

Spooky

Spooky,  you are probably right.   I think I am going to have to train myself. 

Chantilly Chopper

ChantillyChopper wrote on Sep 12^th, 2009 at 12:32pm:

Wow.  somethings to think about here... And I dooo so appreciate it.     Yes this spirit has done the same thing, told me someone I know has just recently died, story to go with it.  And when i go yea right...he says...well I had ya going for a little while.

For interests sake... the story went , that him and his friends were hiking in the mountains one day. Then he slipped and fell down the mountain and came out of body.

He wanted me to contact the leader of the group and let him know it wasn't his fault at all (as the leader had held himself responsible, and resorted to drinking himself almost to death over this incident). The story went that they had all had one or two drinks, and the person in question (my friend), had actually been showing off and trying to find a better way, and thats the reason why he had slipped.

So it was really important that I contact his friend because he was feeling so guilty (and it was unnecessary for him to feel at all guilty because it wasn't his fault).... etc etc.

It was quite funny afterwards when I realized how gullible I had been, in believing this whole elaborate story.

I  know...that is what I dislike so much, the stories.  It is like speaking to someone with multiple personalities.  I have a friend who so much wants to hear from his son....And I have connected with his son twice.  But he wants more info....and when I try to connect....Mr Enity likes to pretend he is this young man.  And I don't know if it is him or not until I ask his dad did your son do this....and then it is noooo, he never did that.  Then I go..ok, never mind...none of my notes mean anything then.   But the two time I did connect with his son,  it was pretty good stuff! 

ChantillyChopper wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 10:07pm:

Hi All,  have asked for help before on this subject, and had some good suggestions..none that worked...at least not yet.    About a year ago the gift of communication with those who have crossed over became a reality for me.  And my fiance brings in those who have crossed over who either knows me or they know I know someone who know them.   And it is very rewarding indeed.   But,  I have one spirit who must be not so high up on the ladder so to speak.  As soon as I open myself up...usually to talk to my fiance, he just butts in.  I know this much about him,  he doesn't seem to see anything except what is happening at the moment, he knows my thoughts and then talks about it, repeats himself, pretends to be others, thinks it is all a joke,  nice one minute, wishing me dead the next.   I have ignored him, not recognized any of his comments, soon as he starts to speak, I just cut him off in my head.   He tells me no one can get rid of him and he is not leaving.   I have tried, prayers, white light, saging, etc  but he thinks it is all pretty funny.  He seems very immature  and try as I might, he won't leave.  I have tried calling to his spirit family, to his guides, I have asked my guides for help...but he is still here.  I know there must be away, some universal law that will if not make him go away, at least allows me to block him from my mind, my personal space...... Any suggestions...please! Chantilly

You must be very very very careful when you open yourself for other entities to take you over. The sprit realms are nearly equally dark and light or love and hate.

Pray before you try it again

Alan

Alan,  I don't have to try and talk to them,  they come to me.  I have had no evil come to me.  My fiance brings those who want to talk to me.  I just have one who just like to bug the heck out of me.  He is just a pain, not evil.   And I believe he was attached to a house I moved in to.  And once he realized I could hear him when he speaks to me...well, I guess he just like to talk....way to much!

My research suggests that the intruding spirit is impersonating your fiance in a malicious hoax.  Lower spirits routinely impersonate deceased loved ones by gleaning information from the percipient's mind and then recreating their personality by ESP.  Why not test this posssibility with an experiment?  The next time you are in contact with your fiance, first breathe a prayer for guidance and protection, and then ask "the fiance personality" this question: "For the love of God, are you really my fiance or are you an impersonator messing with my mind?"  Then try to sense how warm and honest the response feels.

Don

Oh Berserk,  although he tries to impersonate my fiance, I catch on really quickly.  I  usually ask 3 times and then he admits its him.   he doesn't get very far these days with his attempts impersonating my guy.   But sometimes, he tries to come thru as others if I have been asked to try and speak to someone.  And if I don't personally know them, it is hard for me to tell.   So that is why It bothers me.  I am trying to help someone and he wants to play with other peoples feelings.  That is very sad to me that any spirit would be like that, the same as I would be any human on earth would do!