Hello,

Only snail mail specified on his sites. It's 21-th century now. And not all documents might be sent via snail mail due to several reasons. If he hides his mail, just PM me, I won't share with anyone. Got a very serious and unusual work for him.

Perhaps TMI can help you out. Or try through his blog. I was updated just a few days ago.

Hi Hawkeye,

Thanks, but TMI also recommends to contact via his blog. But there isn't an e-mail specified there, only snail mail and fax. In some cases, like mine it's impossible to send the necesssary info via fax or snail mail. I understand, that he's tired of fans, but what about serious things...
I must join the blog to post a private message to him, or what? As far as I see, his own posts on the blog are very rare. Mostly by webmaster.
Seems like the guy is so wealthy, that he simply doesn't need more.
Maybe there's anyone also from the StarGate project or other similar Government project, who is as good as Joe, or even better, but easier to contact? Then, Hawk, recommend me this person, please. I believe, that the military and intelligence psychics are the best. Simply, the Government always searches for those, who are really talented. If one worked for the military intelligence or for CIA, for KGB, Massad, MI-6 etc., he's excellent in his field, it may be stated for sure.
If I get it right, TMI also was (and perhaps is) in close relations with CIA. Promoted by CIA, I suppose.

What about contacting him via good old paper mail?

Maybe he'll require that I write using pen-and-ink and sheepskin paper?  :)
It's 21st century now...

I still suggest joining the blog and asking for contact with him. Then if after you join the blog you can leave a more personal message, you should do so. I don't believe Joe is  extreamly wealthy. More like comfortable. The truth is that there are lots of wackos out there, and some need to be weeded out. In fact some people are dangerous. By properly expressing yourself I would think you would have a far better chance of getting through to him. I beleave his wife did a number of the posts on the blog. Joe's not hard to find. He has a cabin just down the road from Roberts Mountain Retreat. If there is something you need to get out there, then get it out. (Not that I know for sure) I don't think Joe is out there looking for fame or further "fortune" as you call it. My understanding is that he is semi retired and runs a almost, entertainment sort of business, mostly in Japan. Hes not 100% successful in relaying or deciphering what he "sees". As for the whole CIA thing at TMI..well I don't believe they are a front, but perhaps if you were to be found as being extremely proficient in remote viewing, introductions could be made by those in the know of who's, who. Joe's not the only one from the old StarGate who is still involved with TMI. Through Bob Monroes use and development of HemiSync, certain frequencies assist in clearing the mind, so that perhaps better opportunities to see more clearly to the remote viewer, become easier. Its not a spy finding center. I say make your intention to contact him, and get on it if its important to you. 
    

Hi Hawkeye,

Thank You. Yes, will try. Not sure he's able or will want to help me, though.

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He has a cabin just down the road from Roberts Mountain Retreat.

Do you think I live in the USA? :) Very, very far from there...

Hey, Hawk, maybe you are as strong as he is, but too modest? And linked to CIA or Defence Department? Drop me a private message, then. Feel free. A profound knowledge and experience in the ET field is one of the requirements.

I agree. He lists that way of contact because he gets so much correspondence. Let me assure you, however, that there are those of us who have not ever, and will never, work with black ops and covert spying like your government has done with Project Stargate, and MANY similar and ever more sinister operations. Solicitations have been declined by many, many people.

Alternatively, many people who have been (in their word) "programmed" have been to places like TMI and solicited help in de-programming or re-programming what was done to them during their service. Please do not assume that mind control, black and covert ops, and such are benign or non-existent. Joe would confirm this, as he has in a conversation with me at the RV program at TMI a few years back.

And finally, just go to a TMI program. I bet Joe will show up. As part of Gateway they post two lattitude-longitude co-ordinates and ask you to remote view them. If you get a hit (like I did on BOTH), then either Joe or Skip comes up and chats.... They had forgotten I had declined the solicitation in 1972 at the Duke Psychic Research Center.

Thomas

Hi Tgecks,

Thank you. I don't care who's "white", and who's "black". A guy wirking for CIA is a murderer or an abettor in any case. CIA and KGB (FSB) are legalized mafia, the worst kind of it. I just need a specialist in a narrow field, his human qualities are of no meaning to me.

Prem Op, Are you in Russia? They have just as extensive of a government remote viewing program as USA. Perhaps bigger.
I personally am in Canada. I do work for the government... but only in a small Post Office setting. If you have had contact (ET) I would love to hear about it. Or even better yet, have found on of their crafts. To some it sounds a little ridiculous, but many here have had contact with those described as ETs and /or those not of this phyical existence. Communication is not rare. Recognising the communication is far rarer. You can experience it yourself if you want to.

Hi Hawkeye,

Yes, I'm in Russia. But I don't work for the Government. In Russia, even if he's retired, he remains under the seal of secrecy, and such groups of ex-psy-spies, like McMoneagle's don't exist on the market. Psychotronic weapons also don't appear on the market, though in Canada, the USA, the UK and many other countries such things as Orgone-Radionics are legal. And it can be used for mind control.
If you are as capable in RV as Joe, maybe you want to cooperate with us? Can you read a text and figure out what's truth, and what's a lie there? And what was actually meant by the author? With near to 11 percent probability? For this purpose it may be necessary to penetrate into the mind of the author. Also, can you, using a digital photo, figure out if a person is physically alive, and where exacly is located? Find out her (his) full name, date of birth?

Yes, I think, I had contact with the Orion Civilization. But I wouldn't like to discuss it publically...

PM me, and we might have a talk.

Premierre operator:

One time I was shown the below sequence of images.

First, I was shown a lifesize heavy metal rocker dude. I could see kundalini flowing within him. He said he uses his kundalini for evil.

Next, I was shown a lifesize demonic image of myself.

Next, I was shown the face of Jesus Christ.

Translation: A person can use his (or her) kundalini, creative aspect of being, inner power in just about any way; it is best that he does so with Christ Consciousness/ love in mind, or he might not like the results.

The more a person seeks to grow in love, the better his life will become. The desire to become some sort of super star mystic warrior leads nowhere, and only people who lack wisdom are impressed by what such people can do. Certainly beings who abide at a higher level aren't impressed by self-serving displays of supernatural ability.

I for one wouldn't use whatever abilities I have to aid an agency such as the CIA.  If one does so, one becomes personally responsible for the people who are killed and tortured as the result of the information one provides. I also wouldn't seek the assistance of a person who uses his abilities in manner that isn't representative of love.

Recoverer,

Do you know, that Christ was very aggressive and he was The Warrior? He demolished the World Order and the systen of beliefs of that time. And his words were: "...I've taken over The World." Sorry it may be not precise, since I haven't read the Holy Bible in Eglish. But the essence is correct.

By the way, read the Evangel from Judas as well.


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Certainly beings who abide at a higher level aren't impressed by self-serving displays of supernatural ability.

"Abide". One more word from the "slavery dictionary". These beings' only purpose is to block your free will, your development into a Human, Gods are tremling to hear the name of.
Serve and obey.
I'll control and use, like Bob recommended.

Premierre operator said:  "Abide". One more word from the "slavery dictionary". These beings' only purpose is to block your free will, your development into a Human, Gods are tremling to hear the name of.
Serve and obey.
I'll control and use, like Bob recommended.


Recoverer responds: Such words can be spoken only by a person who hasn't experienced divine love. Beings who live completely according to love, have nothing but our best interests in mind.

The word abide has two different meanings.
1. to tolerate something
2. to dwell within

R's use of abide means to dwell within and PO's understanding was to tolerate something.  The two of you are not on the same page here.

Kathy

PS  Welcome Premierre.operator.  I'm finding your posts interesting.

Are Premiere Operator's posts actually interesting? He seems to be a fan of Grigory Grabovoy. Google his name and see what you find. Welcoming somebody means that you want to share love with them. If Premiere Operator wants to share love with us, I'm more than happy to do so, but it seems as if he has something else in mind.  Below are some of the things he wrote:

How did you manage to get into that realms, so "white" and so full of PUL? 
Tell these fairy tails to ignorant sheep. I can just smile, because I've been in pretty close relations with perhaps some of the the "Blackest" people on the Earth. "Ordo Templi Orientis Antiqua
& La Couleuvre Noire" (O.T.O.A.). It's the Gnostic Voodoo Order. And "The Typhonian O.T.O." They rule here, and they rule "there". Only Force and Will is the Law. Who's stronger - he's always right.
Never will Soul of a Powerful Black Master be stuck anywhere. From the Astral Plane he'll possess his victim in a minute, and the victims body will become his property. The Soul of the possessed will be his slave. That's it. Also, he can never die if doesn't want.
You simply don't know, what a true man of Dark Knowledge and Power is able to do.

Do you know, that Christ was very aggressive and he was The Warrior? He demolished the World Order and the systen of beliefs of that time. And his words were: "...I've taken over The World." Sorry it may be not precise, since I haven't read the Holy Bible in Eglish. But the essence is correct.

In this quote you use two contradicting words: "freedom" and "requires". If somebody or something requires from you anything - it can never be Freedom. It's an illusion, a mental prison, like Tgecks says. It's their reality, not yours. DO WHAT THOU WILT - SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW. A. Crowley. That's true FREEDOM.

Sure. To make the nation approve the war in Iraq. And probably, soon in Iran too... To me, it would be nice to sweep Iran from the face of the Earth, they are a real threat. If they only possess nuclear weapons, the US will be drown in blood, and Israel will just disappear. Too many offences and threats from their leader. If I were the President of the US, I would use strategic nuclear weapons for spot strikes to destroy all their industry and infrastructures to ashes. Mentality of medieval times deserves medieval approach. And people always deserve their government and the order they have in their country.

I took lessons from one well-known Russian Master, but that program didn't include working with all and any incarnations. It was a program for total physical and mental domination, called "OverHuman" or "OverLord"or "Superior Man" (not sure how it's should properly sound in English). In German it's exactly: "Über Mensch". In Russian: "Sverhсhelovek". "Сверхчеловек". Invocation of invincible unvulnerable Warrior achetype was part of the exercises. But a weak point is that it was meant only for destruction of the enemies. In a Berserk-like transe I could take over lots of people. First - suggestion, like a snake, making them kid of stoned, then attack, and all were scattered arround, no none could stand. I full force stab of a razor-sharp knife or a slash of a Japanese sword did nothing to me. Firearms always missed. They couldn't take aim, or bullets just flew in wrong direction, difficult to say. In this way special troops are trained in Russia, and this Master is an ex-instuctor of such troops. His name is Vadim Schlachter.
How to use it for constructive purposes... I don't know.

Thank you. I don't care who's "white", and who's "black". A guy wirking for CIA is a murderer or an abettor in any case. CIA and KGB (FSB) are legalized mafia, the worst kind of it. I just need a specialist in a narrow field, his human qualities are of no meaning to me.

Yes, Spooky. Cosimano, as every Satanist, lives with a motto, written in the "Satanic Bible" by LaVey: "Good - is what works for me, bad is what works against me."
"Trust only yourself" - to me is better, than to trust for example a Christian egregore, because there's no God there, but just summary psychical forces of humble people, affected by ETs, who have created and continue feeding their morbid (in my opinion) collective reality. But netter is not to trust even oneself. Best of all  - is to Know. No trust at all - only Knowledge.

By the way, Jesus was one of the Greatest People, who has f.cked the entire World. He send death to f.ck itself, and Resurrected.

Premiere operator wrote that Heimbdall is his right hand mand. Do you remember Heimbdall? Below is something Heimbdall wrote:

Those who try to make money on his name (Grigory Grabovoy) or The Teaching are our enemies. I promised the woman, who runs one of his churches is the US to hang her on the inverted cross with her guts out. A pay for discreditation of our Goal and Ideas.

P.S. to Premiere Operator

You referred to Carlos Castaneda a couple of times. If you do a little research you'll find that his stories are fictional. Are any of the other people you follow frauds? Why doesn't Grigory free himself from prison by walking through a wall?

It is clear that this man is in a very dark place and severely cut off from the Divine Love, else he wouldn't talk about such things. He thinks that power is the true source of happiness, a typical view coming from someone who has little to no love in their soul. He doesn't even believe there is a God. How in the world he came to that conclusion and still believe in divine beings, dark magic, and the afterlife is beyond me.

He is obviously in desperate need of being sent lots of PUL. I don't like the kinds of things he says, but it is typical of all humans who are trapped within the state of illusion and error. Bob Monroe also said once that there is no true Evil. Only a state of 'love', and 'no love'. People trapped in evil, are stuck in a chronic state of 'no love'.

Premierre, I'm sorry that you have been so cut off from the True state of love and light, and that you view things from a state of the absence of love.

I still send you a big dose of PUL. You deserve it. Others should send him lots of PUL, too. Hate only breeds more of the same. Love breeds love.

Love and Light,

Ally   :)

Ally:

Premierre Operator claimed that Robert Monroe didn't believe in God. Robert didn't use the word God, but he did use the word Creator. I didn't know Robert Monroe personally, but I figure he believed that love is important, and wasn't interested in a dark way of being. In fact, in Ultimate Journey, he expressed his concern about unfriendly influences to his I-there, he had no interest in making contact with such influences.

It seems to me that Robert approached his I-there with feelings of love, respect and humility. It seems as if he was interested in what serves the greater good. Why else would he be interested in returning to his I-there with gifts, as opposed to wanting to tell them, "Look how powerful I am. I'll destroy you if you do anything to offend me."

Therefore, I believe it is inaccurate for Premier Operator to use Robert Monroe as a means to support his viewpoint that God doesn't exist and that there isn't a being or beings to have reverential feelings for.

I figure Robert is all about love now, not meaningless self-centerdness.

recoverer wrote on Aug 20^th, 2009 at 4:40pm:

Ally: Premierre Operator claimed that Robert Monroe didn't believe in God. Robert didn't use the word God, but he did use the word Creator. I didn't know Robert Monroe personally, but I figure he believed that love is important, and wasn't interested in a dark way of being. In fact, in Ultimate Journey, he expressed his concern about unfriendly influences to his I-there, he had no interest in making contact with such influences. It seems to me that Robert approached his I-there with feelings of love, respect and humility. It seems as if he was interested in what serves the greater good. Why else would he be interested in returning to his I-there with gifts, as opposed to wanting to tell them, "Look how powerful I am. I'll destroy you if you do anything to offend me." Therefore, I believe it is inaccurate for Premier Operator to use Robert Monroe as a means to support his viewpoint that God doesn't exist and that there isn't a being or beings to have reverential feelings for. I figure Robert is all about love now, not meaningless self-centerdness.

Yes, you are absolutely right.

This guy shouldn't be using Monroe as his support for his anti-belief in God, because he has a very skewed view and perspective of things, anyway. But since his perspective is so skewed, he sees only what he wants to see. So, he misinterpreted what Monroe taught and believed to be true.

Send him PUL, anyway.

Did not even Jesus himself say to "Love thy enemy"? and "Bless those that curse you"?  A very easy thing to say, and a very hard thing to do, indeed. Still, do it anyway. Don't let your pride get in the way. Try.

PUL,

Ally  :)

Here are some links that speak about Carlos Castaneda. There is also a documentary where people who knew him speak about him. It is a shame if somebody ends up on a personal power trip rather than seeking true spiritual growth, partly because he or she reads about Carlos Castaneda's fictional accounts of some dude named Don Juan.

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1021-09.htm

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/04/12/castaneda/index.html

http://www.sustainedaction.org/Wallace_Book/Ellis%20FAQ.htm

Yes Albert, I do find PO's posts interesting just like I find yours and everyone else's posts interesting. I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with that as you seem to be implying.

Kathy

Recoverer

Regardless of the skepticism behind Castaneda's works, he offers valuable advice and insight into lucid dreaming which has helped me in more ways than one.  Just because someone says his stories are fiction doesn't mean they are valueless.   

Ally,


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It is clear that this man is in a very dark place and severely cut off from the Divine Love, else he wouldn't talk about such things. He thinks that power is the true source of happiness, a typical view coming from someone who has little to no love in their soul. He doesn't even believe there is a God. How in the world he came to that conclusion and still believe in divine beings, dark magic, and the afterlife is beyond me.

Special thanks for compliments.
"You believe wrong is right, when you travel uside down..." Accept.
You, guys spend too much time in Astral, that's why you see everething perverted. Like in a false mirror. Add to this your constant cooperation with inorganics... So when you say I'm dark or in darkness, it actually means I'm shining like a brilliant.
Correct, I don't believe in God. I KNOW there's Creator. He's in Me, in you, in every Human. God is Human. And no isolated God out there or somewhere in high spheres. Read Grabovoy and study modern quantum physics for better understanding.

Greetings,

Does anyone other than me notice this thread is also off topic?  It seems that it's time to move on to afterlife concerns!

Bets

Betson,
"Does anyone other than me notice this thread is also off topic?  It seems that it's time to move on to afterlife concerns!"

Obviously, and even more so when making four posts about it. I've observed quite a few interesting interactions and points here, and the main topic isn't one of them. I don't think the heading text of a topic cares if different topics within don't match it.

Holding hands with ones friends is easy. How you deal with spirits (with characteristics that you don't like in particular) in 3D is an afterlife "concern" - spirits are different there too.

Kathy:

Yeah, and I suppose some people found Mein Kampf interesting.

Perhaps if some people spoke up against Adolph Hitler rather than taking an everything is groovy approach events would not had played out as they did during his time period.

I'll say this about Premiere Operator, he might be a confused lion, but at least ways he's not a sheep. Perhaps spunk and love can go together at times.



Lights of Love wrote on Aug 20^th, 2009 at 11:10pm:

Yes Albert, I do find PO's posts interesting just like I find yours and everyone else's posts interesting. I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with that as you seem to be implying. Kathy

Dude:

If you hear what the people who knew Castaneda had to say, you'll find that the stories are fictional. Even if you don't hear what they have to say, and read his stories with discernment, you'll find that they are fictional.

Sure he has some good things to say, but it doesn't seem as if the approach he spoke about is service oriented. It was rather self serving. The sort of thing that might appeal to a person who is more interested in being a metaphysical superstar rather than serving the light.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out when a source of information is fraudulent. Not unless it is preferable to stick our heads in the sand and not see what is true.



I Am Dude wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 4:52am:

Recoverer Regardless of the skepticism behind Castaneda's works, he offers valuable advice and insight into lucid dreaming which has helped me in more ways than one.  Just because someone says his stories are fiction doesn't mean they are valueless.

Love/no love....Is anyone getting this message?

I was already aware that his stories were fictional.  However, there was much truth hidden within the fiction.  It is clear from his books that Castaneda had at least a decent amount of experience exploring in different modes of consciousness.  In The Art of Dreaming he outlined specific techniques for lucid dreaming and projecting.. not just how to achieve these state, but new and interesting ways of exploring the astral environments and interacting with beings there.  All I am saying is that although his works are fiction, much can still be gained from them.

Hey Tim!

I couldn't agree more.

Life is about living, otherwise we'd be "there" instead of "here."

Kathy

You are Tim. Perhaps you do have a history with the San Francisco Zen Center.

Whatever the case, I'll stop doing what I do when I stop caring...I don't see how that is going to happen.

If you believe fraudulent sources should be able to speak with impunity while everybody else has to keep mum, that's your story, not mine.

You probably think I'm some kind of fundamentalist, even though I am not. The funny thing is, if Satan ad his demons actually did exist, fundamentalists would be correct to stand against him. This would certainly be a much better approach than acting as if nothing is wrong and finding out some day that something is wrong.

I don't believe in Satan and his demons, but I do believe that there are many misleading sources of information, and people should be completely free to speak against these sources.

Was it really wrong for me to say what I said about Premiere Operator, when he had some really negative things to say? He sure doesn't have a problem with saying negative things about people on this forum? Why don't you say something to him? It seems to me that Kathy chose to patronize him by saying that he has interesting things to say when several of the things he said are quite negative.

Is it really wrong for me to say that Carlos Castaneda wrote fictional stories when he did?

Is it really wrong for me to disagree with Kathy's timid approach, except for when it comes to me?

Is it really wrong for me to speak against something such as ACIM, if this is what you have in mind, when I have very good reasons for believing that it misleads people?

Perhaps your uptightness with me has more to do with yourself than me.  Please don't point your finger at me, because of an issue or two you haven't dealt with. If everybody took the approach you took, places like the Rick Ross website wouldn't exist.

Thank goodness there are people like Rick Ross, who doesn't concern himself with people who believe that you can't be honest about the facts.

Albert,

You don't live that far from me. We're having our next music party in Sept. or Oct. It's for both musicians and non-musicians. Guitars, mandolin, banjo, fiddle, bass, voices. It's fun! Sometimes I do stupid magic tricks too. It's drug-free except for beer & wine. I'll pm you here to invite you when the date is firmed up.
I wish you would come.

Hey Kathy! Man, I gotta holler at you if reading you here makes my heart sing like this! Whooo-weee!

"On my journey, reading the words from others has been very helpful, either in a book or on the net. At some point though, it's enough. The mind ends it's love affair with words and concepts and embarks on new adventures, seeking new challenges and ways to experience this life"
                               M. B.

Have a great day or night everybody!
                                                       Tim

Kathy:

I find it quite interesting that with all of the fraudulent sources that have been spoken about during the past few years, you never have anything to add to show that they are fraudulent. If anything, you defend them, no matter how misleading they are.

On the other hand you're more than happy to speak about me.

Do you truly believe it is loving to sit on your hands and do absolutely nothing as fraudulent sources of information intentionally try to mislead people who are trying to find spiritual truth?

I don't not believe that your indifferent approach represents what this World needs. This World needs dynamic people who will make a difference.

I don't believe for one second that you show some high level of transcendence when you defend misleading sources of information. You demonstrate a form of apathy that won't help anybody.

Okay, I spoke my mind, I didn't patronize anybody. People can judge me as they choose.




Lights of Love wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:59pm:

Hey Tim! I couldn't agree more. Life is about living, otherwise we'd be "there" instead of "here." Kathy

Albert, as usual you are projecting your beliefs onto me.  I say I find someone's posts interesting and you interpret that to mean I agree with what they are saying or some such other thing.  I have my own reasons for being interested in all people.  They are after all a part of the One Consciousness.


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I find it quite interesting that with all of the fraudulent sources that have been spoken about during the past few years, you never have anything to add to show that they are fraudulent. If anything, you defend them, no matter how misleading they are.

Speaking out against what you consider fraudulent sources seems to be your mission.  Not mine. 


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Do you truly believe it is loving to sit on your hands and do absolutely nothing as fraudulent sources of information intentionally try to mislead people who are trying to find spiritual truth?

Again, you project your belief system onto me. I'm here to help people that ask me for help. Helping someone always begins from where a person is at physically, emotionally and spiritually. Helping someone is done without degrading them or interfering with their free will. Quite frankly your way... boldly speaking out against whatever... doesn't work. 

I have no desire to try to change anyone.  Only they can do that for their self, in their own time and in whatever way they choose.

Love is patient, love is kind, love is enduring... love is not boastful, nor is it arrogant or rude.  Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful...


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I don't not believe that your indifferent approach represents what this World needs. This World needs dynamic people who will make a difference.

The way the world is... is the way you have created it to be. It is a reflection of the way you are... a reflection of the quality of your being. The only way to change the world is to change yourself.


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I don't believe for one second that you show some high level of transcendence when you defend misleading sources of information. You demonstrate a form of apathy that won't help anybody.

You really don't have a clue, Albert.


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People can judge me as they choose.

And they will... you get what you give... you reap what you sow... this is the world you have created by your own interpretation of it.

Kathy

Okay Tim, we didn't disagree with each other when we spoke to each other on the phone a few years ago. Despite how it might seem, I've cleared some of the debris from my heart chakra since then. Boy did I clear some of the debris from that time period. I was going through an intense fear period when I spoke to you. Thank goodness I've overcome that fear with much help from above, or should I say within?



Griffin wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 3:24pm:

Albert, You don't live that far from me. We're having our next music party in Sept. or Oct. It's for both musicians and non-musicians. Guitars, mandolin, banjo, fiddle, bass, voices. It's fun! Sometimes I do stupid magic tricks too. It's drug-free except for beer & wine. I'll pm you here to invite you when the date is firmed up. I wish you would come. Hey Kathy! Man, I gotta holler at you if reading you here makes my heart sing like this! Whooo-weee! "On my journey, reading the words from others has been very helpful, either in a book or on the net. At some point though, it's enough. The mind ends it's love affair with words and concepts and embarks on new adventures, seeking new challenges and ways to experience this life"                                M. B. Have a great day or night everybody!                                                        Tim

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Hey Kathy! Man, I gotta holler at you if reading you here makes my heart sing like this! Whooo-weee!

Oh yes... hope to hear from you soon my dear friend.

Kathy:

Speaking about fraudulent sources of information isn't my sole purpose in life, but it is certainly one of my purposes. I don't regret being committed in such a way. In fact I'm am grateful for seeing the need, despite what some people might think.

Regarding imposing on somebody else's freewill, it's questionable that you bring up this factor, because some of the sources I speak against have anything but the free will of other people in mind. Some of these sources brainwash people in mass, I know, because I was one of the many people who have been brainwashed.

I'm not telling people to give up one belief system and then believe in my belief system instead.

If some people choose to learn the hard way, perhaps for the rest of their life and beyond, which is often the case, I don't believe this is meaningless. If some people benefit by what people such as myself say, then I'm thrilled that this is so despite what my critics have to say.

I believe that many of the souls that have incarnated into this World to help raise its consciousness level lose their way, because of the many misleading sources that exist. Considering the state of this World, too many people lose their way.

This isn't just my way of seeing the World. Watch the news. Please don't provide me with a response that parallels ACIM. that nothing you see is real business. Many people do in fact suffer in this World, despite what some people aren't willing to see. Perhaps some people choose to see things in such a way because they don't want to deal with the pain and struggle of trying to make things better.

You metioned the oneness.  Does the oneness really want us to sit on our hands and be indifferent, apathetic and lackadasical when it comes to the sources of information that mislead so many people? Until enough people with moxie stand up for what's right, misleading sources of information will continue to thrive.

Before being so critical of my approach, perhaps you should try to understand where I'm coming from. It's not about having a grudge or being a part of a lost cause, it's about trying to make a difference for something that does matter.

You suggest that I don't understand you, perhaps your one directional approach suggests that something else needs to be considered.

Everyone is here in ELS to learn, to grow, to evolve the quality of our consciousness and that growth has to be from the inside out. It's not an intellectual thing. In fact our intellect has very little to do with spiritual growth. We are here to change our inner being. This is done by letting go of our fears. As fear is let go of, the love that the fear covers up is released and fills our inner being. This process is not all that complex because it is simply a feedback process. However, is a slow process and not always an easy one. Sometimes we take a few steps forward, then go backward, then forward again and so on.  It is the millions of little decisions we make throughout our daily throughout our life that determines if we are evolving or devolving... whether we gain or lose spiritual growth from the standpoint of where we began during our lifetime.

This world and how we interact with each other... our relationships gives us many opportunities to make decisions and these decisions reflect our intent. If our intent is good/loving then we evolve, if not, if it stems from fear, then we devolve. The reason we can make poor decisions and get caught up in fear is because we have freewill. If we have freewill, then we have to be able to go either way of making both good and bad decisions. Fear is the source of egotism, and for the most part fear is the source of our wants and needs, our insecurities, and our desires for our relationships with others to be a certain way. Fear is always about you and what you want. Fear is always a self focused problem, no matter how we involve other people in our fears.

As a society we all have gotten caught up in a victim mentality where we feel the need to place blame. (So and so that wrote this book or that book is at fault... so and so that teaches this religion or that religion is at fault... etc., etc., etc.) You can project anger at other people for whatever you've perceived they've done, but the anger is really about you. You can project your anger toward someone/something else, but your anger is not about them... it's about you because you are the one generating the anger. The other person is just the focus of your anger. It's a challenge, but you have to be responsible for yourself. If you're angry or upset, if you're feeling unhappy with whatever... it's not because of them, it's because of you. The problem is inside of you and that's where the growth has to start. When you tell someone that they will be sorry if they follow this teacher or that teacher... what you are doing is justifying your own self-centered, egotistical need to be right. What is right for one person may not be the same for another. Everyone has their own interpretation of their personal relationships within this world. It is personal because that is the way it is set up. We are individuals and the path we follow toward growth is also individual.

I'm sure your inner intent may be good and loving Albert, but if you want to learn how to really help people, then you need to learn to listen to what they are saying... where they are coming from... really try to understand their perspective rather than projecting your own belief onto them... denouncing them simply because you assume they are not on a correct path according to your own standards, which is based on your own personal interpretation of your own personal experiences is not necessarily helpful.  When someone projects their belief system onto someone else, what they are doing is making assumptions, jumping to conclusions about another person, which makes it next to impossible for effective communication to take place, and you run the risk of causing harm rather than being helpful.

Certainly people should be skeptical about anything they read or hear, yet at the same time people need to be open minded enough to learn and grow, otherwise they remain stuck in a belief system that limits them, keeping them from becoming more aware of and understanding the bigger picture. However, the understanding of the bigger picture is individual interpretation based on an individual's own experiences. The larger consciousness system is continually interacting with and guiding each of us, even when we're not aware of it doing so. It provides us with the opportunities to optimize our growth from any and all sources, especially in our relationships and our interactions with these. If dualities were not present in our lives, few opportunities for growth would be available.

Kathy

Tim,

This is specially for what was you and your crew. It means for the void.

ManowaR.

Blood of my enemies

Three sons have I, and they
Ride by my side.-The fierce,
The black, and the wicked are
their names-we ride down my
enemies on their half-hearted flight.
No voice of mercy-no evangels of light.

Mighty messengers-heathens rage
Witness our coming-gods of the dead.
I ride through the air-
I laugh as I die-with powers of evel
Dark knowledge is mine.
The 1st sin was trust.-
Kill without warning-for blood now
I lust

Strong wind-magic mist
To Asgard the Valkries fly
High overhead-they carry the dead
Where blood of my enemies lies.

Three sons have I, and they
Ride by my side.-The fierce,
The black,and the wicked are
their names-we ride down my
enemies on their half-hearted flight.
No voice of mercy-no evangels of light.

Strong wind-magic mist
To Asgard the Valkries fly
High overhead-they carry the dead
Where blood of my enemies lies.

I would play it on your grave, but there won't be anything left to bury.

Ex-Tim

This is also dedicated to already non-existing beings like you and your music group, and to The Men of Power, like Me, who have already turned you into vacuum. Had much fun reading your PMs with kiddie threats.

ManowaR

Hand Of Doom

Hands Of Doom Are Reaching Out To Crush All Infidels Who Stray
Time To Know The Pain But No Time To Run Within
And These Hands You See Before You Will End The Light Of Day
Your Ashes Will Be Cast Into The Wind
Your Bloods Upon The Soil Your Body Fed To Wolves
Not One Of You Will Be Left Alive
Hear The Sound, Pounding, And The Army Of The Night
By The Hammer Of Thor You Now Shall Die

Tonight We Strike There Is Thunder In The Sky
Together We'll Fight Some Of Us Will Die
We'll Always Remember That We Made A Stand
And Many Will Die By My Hand!

We Are High Atop A Mountain With Hammers In The Wind
Lusting For Blood And Death Again
In A Flash Of Lightning Strike
Now The House Of Death Invites You, Body And Soul To Come Within

I See The Fear You Have Inside You Can Run But Never Hide
I Will Hunt You Down And Tear You Limb From Limb
Nothing Shall Remain Not Your Memory, Your Name
It Will Be As Though You Never Ever Lived

Tonight We Strike There Is Thunder In The Sky
Together We'll Fight Some Of Us Will Die
We'll Always Remember That We Made A Stand
Many Will Die By My Hand!
They Will Die....

High Atop A Mountain With Hammers In The Wind
Lusting For Blood And Death Again
In A Flash Of Lightning Strike
Now The House Of Death Invites You, Body And Soul To Come Within

I See The Fear You Have Inside You Can Run But Never Hide
I Will Hunt You Down And Tear You Limb From Limb
Nothing Shall Remain Not Your Memory, Your Name
It Will Be As Though You Never Ever Lived
Tonight We Strike There Is Thunder In The Sky
Together We'll Fight And Some Of Us Will Die
But We'll Always Remember That We Made A Stand
And Many Will Die By My Hand
Tonight We Strike There Is Thunder In The Sky
Together We'll Fight And Some Of Us Will Die
But We'll Always Remember That We Made A Stand
And Many Will Die By My Hand
Tonight We Strike There Is Thunder In The Sky
Together We'll Fight And Some Of Us Will Die
But We'll Always Remember That We Made A Stand
And Many Will Die By My Hand
They Will Die, By My Hand......They Will Die...

ManowaR are my BROTHERS IN STEEL.

Premierre Operator,
A manowar concert is a real snoozefest, but for comic relief they are ok. Their lyrics have a romantic tinted sense view of battle. For songs more close to war in terms of energy on youtube, behemoth - slaves shall serve & marduk - everything bleeds.

Being a man (or woman) is yet another of many layers of identification to peel off. But here's a suggestion if you really want to be a man - the next time you see a sailor's armpit, let your nose go to town, become invigorated by pure and burly manliness.

Volu,

No... Black Metal and Death Metal produce another energy. Depressive gloomy hate. Though I like them too. Satyricon - "Mother North" is an awesome song and clip. But ManowaR can really rise the cundalini stream. It's a very specific crew.


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But here's a suggestion if you really want to be a man

Thanks for suggestion, but I'm a man, and don't need to place an intent for it.

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Recoverer,


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Was it really wrong for me to say what I said about Premiere Operator, when he had some really negative things to say? He sure doesn't have a problem with saying negative things about people on this forum? Why don't you say something to him?

He said using Private Message. It was so stupid trying to threaten me. Never f.ck with a stranger. You don't know, maybe in fact I'm Charles Cosimano himself, imitating some Russian guy. Or maybe somebody even much more dangerous. Do you think anybody would live long after promising Uncle Chuckie to penetrate and attack him via his dream? :)