Hi there,

Got such a question. Bruce teaches how one can get real information, using pretending or fantasy. A great technique, IMHO. I understand why so many fantasy and science fictions authors sometimes appear to be true.
So, my question is. Can one get a true information about the rescued people, who are psysically alive, just lost, using this method? Or only for retrievals of people from nonphysical realities?
If one can, then why the trained psychics are of great value for police and other security services? If it's that easy to find info?
Also. Why aren't all the treasures, hidden by bank robbers already found?  :)

Nobody knows this method (Bruce's Workshops seem to be be based on it)? Or nobody knows the answer?

The technique I teach can be used to access information within any reality, physical, nonphysical, etc.  The trick to accessing such information accurately is to understand the nature of our own perception and how if functions.  And then how to best utilize it to obtain information that is as accurate as possible.

In that regard I would say that absolutely everything we perceive comes to our conscious awareness in symbolic form to some extent.  People without much experience tend to believe that accessing information via nonphysical means is like reading a book or watching a movie.  With experience we learn what it is really like and the limitations this places upon precision and accuracy.  With practice these factors improve, precision and accuracy improve, but there is always the symbolic factor that must be taken into account.  Understanding the concepts of the Perceiver and Interpreter, components of our consciousness, can help to make this more understandable.

Even if utilizing nonphysical perception yielded results as good as seeing a map that shows the location of a treasure, there is still the problem of translating the map to physical reality landmarks. 

I am certain these techniques have been used by some folks to find lost people, Joe McMoneagle's remote viewing has demonstrated this numerous times.  It appears to be a matter of practice and translation information perceived symbolically into physical world locations.

Bruce

Greetings, Bruce!

Thank you very much for the explanation. I think your Workshops are VERY useful for acquiring absolutely new skills. I've never heard about this method before, though I'm not new to psychology and metaphysics. I've learned a lot of new things from them. And your sense of humor is great.
So, pretending... If I wished to come in contact with a lost person like you with your Grandpa (you said it's a fiction story, but a good example of how it works) with the only difference this person is physically alive, so what should my actions be? Just the same, or there are some particularities? Also, when a person is physically alive, and he hasn't got telepathic capabilities, how we can contact? By, the way, so called "gone" people are all telepaths or I misunderstand? Maybe it's just reading the information from some area ("grey area"), not a contact with a person being rescued or searched?

Bruce Moen wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 4:20am:

The technique I teach can be used to access information within any reality, physical, nonphysical, etc.  The trick to accessing such information accurately is to understand the nature of our own perception and how if functions.  And then how to best utilize it to obtain information that is as accurate as possible. In that regard I would say that absolutely everything we perceive comes to our conscious awareness in symbolic form to some extent.  People without much experience tend to believe that accessing information via nonphysical means is like reading a book or watching a movie.  With experience we learn what it is really like and the limitations this places upon precision and accuracy.  With practice these factors improve, precision and accuracy improve, but there is always the symbolic factor that must be taken into account.  Understanding the concepts of the Perceiver and Interpreter, components of our consciousness, can help to make this more understandable. Even if utilizing nonphysical perception yielded results as good as seeing a map that shows the location of a treasure, there is still the problem of translating the map to physical reality landmarks.  I am certain these techniques have been used by some folks to find lost people, Joe McMoneagle's remote viewing has demonstrated this numerous times.  It appears to be a matter of practice and translation information perceived symbolically into physical world locations. Bruce

Hi Bruce,

What about Madie McCaine the whole world searched for her, including every so called psychic and clairvoyant.

I also tried to locate her and for what it is worth I got the impression she was taken to Australia, but most likely she has passed over like the Lindenburg baby

(spelling of names wrong I think)

Regards

Alan

Hi Alan,

How did you try to locate her? By pumping imagination - using the method of Bruce?

Is Joe McMoneagle really one of the best in clairvoyance, or so-so in fact? He worked for the US Army, so must be a really powerful psychic. Also he worked in the Monroe Institute, so perhaps you're familiar with him.

I'd say the imagination-method to obtain informations from a physically alive person is the same as it is with passed over persons. You imagine to have a conversation with the target person. You could think of other scenarios, for example you could imagine you have placed sensitive microphones near the person's mind  :-? so that you could hear what this person is thinking, if this makes sense to you.

Spooky

Premierre.operator wrote on Aug 4^th, 2009 at 6:40pm:

Also. Why aren't all the treasures, hidden by bank robbers already found?  :)

I believe in the saying that everything happens for a reason.  I think when it comes to finding things (objects, people, or information), you have to either really want to find it, it is drawing you to it, or you were guided there. 

In studying my own psychic experiences, I definitely agree with Bruce that the factors of how we perceive and interpret information play the biggest role in our experience.  I would add to that, as I've recently discovered, that our subsequent actions following perceived and interpreted information plays just as big a role.  If you get information and then ignore it, it's like not having gotten it at all.  And, if you get information and continue to stay in focus of it without taking your focus off course, then it is possible to be in a continual stream of reception of more information along that thread.   

I don't know why some things or people are not found.  It's so sad when it's a missing person. 

My ex always said "If you are really psychic, why can't you get the winning lotto numbers?" Or he'd ask me why I couldn't have known about and prevented some mishap.  I told him I just get what I get and I can't get everything.  I told him I either didn't want to know them bad enough or that it wasn't meant to be.  Those weren't good enough answers for him, and so he never counted all the things I happened to perceive correctly.  He only looked at what I couldn't do, and he let that determine his belief that I couldn't, then, be truely psychic at all. 

Many thanks to all, who replied!

But I still don't uderstand one thing. WHAT is conversation with a physically alive (lost) person. What's it for him? How he perceives it? Maybe he isn't  a psychic at all, so how he speaks to me? What he sees, what he feels?
Or it's not a conversation AT ALL? But just gathering information about the person, being perceived in the form of conversation? But if so, then retrievals would be impossible. It's a true contact, am I right? (though I also don't understand how he sees me, if I don't project myself out of body). So, the question is, how a physically alive person may perceive us, if we use the Bruce's method of imagination (pretending)?

Greetings,

Most still-alive people have minds that are so busy that they will not hear you. But if they are calm and quiet, they may hear you as though you were their own thoughts, or perhaps even as a telephone conversation. My childhood friend and I could establish such a clear connection.

You'll find everyone is connected, but we have to concentrate our intent and attention to make contact with another person. Then the more often we connect, the stronger and clearer the connection is. Alive person to alive person is mental telepathy, I assume.

This all is not a matter of willpower but of PUL.  We cannot force our attentions on anyone. The resonance of energy that conveys these ideas to another person is PUL.
PUL is also the reason we cannot go around finding hidden treasures; self-serving ideas cannot be sent by PUL  -- which is predominantly kindness and consideration for others.

Betson

Hi Betson,

So, pretending the conversation with a person, and at last he'll hear something, you suppose? And reply? I mean the lost person. It's kind of a rescue mission.
Well, is the method of Bruce so powerful, that can teach one telepathy in some five days, his Workshops last?

What's PUL? Pure Unconditional Love?

Alan, With me I got that she had died fairly quick after her abduction. I got that she was in a place that was moist and enclosed like an old elevator shaft or in an area under a bridge, inside of a construction or building area from when the bridge was built. The door was closed up and perhaps locked. There was a small window way up on the wall. Dirt floor, or very dirty and uneven. I think dirt or with just cement poured over the uneven area. She just wanted to go home to her mommy, and didn't understand what happened or why she had been hurt. Shes fine and wasn't stuck for long after she was killed. Far to innocent of a soul to be entrapped anywhere. As for Joe or anyone else finding her...I think she was dead already before all the media coverage. Finding a body is far different that finding an alive person. I hope they find her body so her mom can rest her mind. I don't believe Joe is in the business of looking for bodies. But I do know that he has found a number of alive people here and in Japan. He has tracked using remote viewing and gotten himself into trouble by doing so. Think about it. If you "viewed" where her body was and went to the police,..what do you think they would think? Even when you told then the you remote viewed where she was, do you really think they would believe you? They would slap the cuffs on you so fast your head would spin. Just ask Joe. Its happened to him. You can Google him up.  This also sound cold, but hes in the business also. He does charge a fee, I believe. But you know, you cant find everyone. Not all remote viewing works all of the time. Sometime it dosent work at all or is way off. How many people go missing every day? Far more that we hate to admit to ourselves.

Dear Premierre,

I regret your loss, sir.

I used Bruce's book and the breakthrough was almost immediate. Some people like others to be around so they can hear their successes, like in Bruce's workshops. I don't know of any guarantees for a time for results because so many factors are involved.

Pretend is really "pretend."  :) Because it is actually so much more than pretending, but that's as close as our language comes to the process.  You are putting yourself into a situation (that you imagine) and then visualizing the situation you want. You could imagine your lost person being joyfylly reunited with you and other loved ones.

Rather than wait to attend a workshop or to get guarantees, why not start pretending now that you can talk to this person?! If they cannot tell you where they are, you can ask them to describe their surroundings. Listen and kindly encourage them to talk with you.

Have you visited websites that show images of results of Joe McMonegal's (Sp--sorry) work? It takes abit to get used to how to interpret  remote viewing images.

Yes, PUL is pure unconditional love. Fear is its opposite or lack.

Betson

Hi Hawkeye,

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I hope they find her body so her mom can rest her mind.

In my oppinion and in my apprehenson of this damned World, where no laws do exist, except of what mostly corrupt to the bone humans invent for themselves and others, her Mom can rest her mind only if they find her daughter's ALIVE body.

Hi Betson,


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I regret your loss, sir.

Thank you, Brother.
But luckily I haven't lost anybody. I'm trying to learn more about it to help my friends, who don't understand English, and know nothing about this very unusual method. I'm going to practise it somehow, learn to do it, and then to explain them the technique.
Of course, I'll try it very soon. I have Bruce's Workshop, so the basic positions are clear. It would be nice to have more information about the "grey zone".

So, Joe McMoneagle is really powerful? Good news also. Thank you, Hawk.
Poor thing... Yes, a possible trouble of course. For starting or not too famous psychics. Perhaps he was young when it happened? I don't imagine the Number one US Army remote viewer, having been involved in legendary experiments, to be arrested for finding a body.

Premierre.operator wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 2:07pm:

Many thanks to all, who replied! But I still don't uderstand one thing. WHAT is conversation with a physically alive (lost) person. What's it for him? How he perceives it? Maybe he isn't  a psychic at all, so how he speaks to me? What he sees, what he feels? Or it's not a conversation AT ALL? But just gathering information about the person, being perceived in the form of conversation? But if so, then retrievals would be impossible. It's a true contact, am I right? (though I also don't understand how he sees me, if I don't project myself out of body). So, the question is, how a physically alive person may perceive us, if we use the Bruce's method of imagination (pretending)?

Premierre,

I think you asking the same question for two different situations...how can you have a nonphysical conversation with a physically living person and how can you have a nonphysical conversation with a deceased person...correct? 

I wouldn't call it a matter of learning telepathy, although that's not an impossibility, but I think it implies certain expectations.  It sounds to me like you are trying to simply get an understanding of the technical side of how things work. 

When a person is deceased and you, the living, wish to communicate, all it takes is your intent to do that.  They will hear you.  You may not be aware if they are hearing you and responding to you, but they will definitely hear your message.  So then the other component is that you want to be able to get some kind of reassurance and verification that they are hearing you and that there is real communication and that you receive communication back from them. 

Because you've asked about communicating a nonphysical conversation with a living person, I would suggest you practice that method and see if you get some results and verifications that way.  It sounds like a great way for you to get practice.  The imagination-method techniques of using pretending would work the same way.  You would imagine the person you wish to talk to, imagine a setting, and then just begin a conversation, letting it flow naturally and paying attention to what you perceive.  All this is done, of course, with your intention of having a real nonphysical contact/communication with this other person. 

I would add that just because this person is physically alive, doesn't mean they will suddenly be receiving some telepathic/psychic message, however that's not an impossibility.  But what you can at least expect is that as you begin to practice this technique, you will be learning how you are able and capable of receiving information nonphysically.  The bonus of practicing on a living person that you know is that at some point you will have an actual physical conversation with them and something may come out in that conversation that verifiies some information you perceived nonphysically in your imagination-method technique. 

But you specifically asked about a physically alive LOST person, so this would be someone you don't know and cannot get verification from, unless of course you were able to actually locate the missing person.  So for those of us who aren't the kinds of psychic mediums we see on TV, we can learn and practice the imagination-method of tuning into someone nonphysically and sensing with our nonphysical sense perception.  The other person wouldn't need to see or hear you physically, because if you are communicating nonphysically then so are they.  It would mean that they, nonphysically, are communicating with you (assuming you are making a real connection). 

I think that's where it gets confusing, especially when we are new to all this... trying to understand what it means that we are nonphysical beings with nonphysical senses who also happen to be living in physical bodies that have physical senses.  It is hard to believe and understand that while I'm physically doing and saying one thing, I am also nonphysically doing other things that I am usually not even aware of.  So, learning this method of communication is really technically only a matter of learning to tune into another part of your awareness. 

Hi Vicky,

Thank you so much. A very good and detailed explanation.
If I understand you right, your point of view is that a contact with so called "passed over" persons, employing this method of Bruce, is yet more probable than with physically alive persons?

Hi Hawkeye,


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Alan, With me I got that she had died fairly quick after her abduction.

You found the information about that girl, using the imagination technique of Bruce Moen, or something else?

Can you tell me, what's in your oppinion the "grey zone"? The true information area, which intersects with the imagination area?

Premierre.operator wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 1:50pm:

Hi Vicky, Thank you so much. A very good and detailed explanation. If I understand you right, your point of view is that a contact with so called "passed over" persons, employing this method of Bruce, is yet more probable than with physically alive persons?

No I'd say the probability is the same, but it might be fair to say that contact with a deceased person you know is easier to get your messages to them, and contact with an alive person you know is easier to get your messages to them...but probability-wise, I wouldn't guess it's any less likely to make contact with people you don't know, it just may take more practice for you to get a handle on using your psychic senses in the right way.  That's the thing that I'm currently working on learning for myself...how do my senses work for me?  Not only that, but it takes learning how to interpret what you perceive as well.  Some perceptions are more straightforward than others, so there's always the difficulty of sifting through what you perceive.

If I may add...the "grey area" is the information that comes into your awareness that borderlines between pretend and real on the continuum of information.  Believe it or not, what starts out as pretending can easily and unknowingly slip over to "real" and you may not even be aware of it.  You usually become aware of the difference after the fact...when you are going back over the experience and perhaps writing it down and really thinking about it.  You might begin to realize what parts were definitely pretend and what parts were maybe pretend but were unusual and perhaps you can use them for verification.  Then the other extreme is when things happen that you know for a fact you couldn't possibly have been making it up...and this could be when your sense of vision changes, or you hear something as if it is a physical sense of hearing...those kinds of experiences are very real and very likely, and of course they are very fun to have.  As Bruce says, it's possible to open you sense of perception and to me this is what that means because I've had that happen to myself and it's truely an unbelieveably remarkable experience. 

Many thanks, Vicky!

May I ask some more questions? Do you move to any Focus, before starting pretening? Do you use the preparatory process as recommended by Bruce, or prefer another version - as tought by Robert Monroe in "The Gateway Experience", for example?

The "Grey Area"... It's the information between the area of imagination and the area of so-called true or objective information, right? Maybe you know if some scientific researches prove the existence of this area? The new science is almost merged with magic and spiritual practices. It's always easier to work, when there's a massive background of proof. Especialy scientific. "The White Crow" will appear sooner, I suppose.

Me personally, I don't have experience with the focus levels.  I'll recognize F10 when I hear myself snoring but that's as far as my personal Focus level experience goes that I'm aware of.

You don't have to do anything special to pretend, it's just using your imagination the way you would in fantasizing or daydreaming or planning something. 

I use Bruce's prep method occasionally, and I've used Monroe's a few times.  I guess it just is a matter of what I feel like at the moment.  And sometimes I'll just do my own thing. 

If you have a chance to get a copy of Bruce's 5th book, the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook and CDs, it'll explain all the finer points.  Think of your imagination as a platform or maybe even think of it as your television set.  It's a tool of perception.  Now, what comes onto the set might be something you know you're making up, such as planning an event or daydreaming about something.  Or it might happen that what you experience in your imagination is true information that is coming in from another source.  We could talk a long time about those sources, but for the purposes of this topic, the point is that sometimes you receive information in your imagination (your mind's eye, your awareness, etc)that is true or real, and therefore doesn't fall into the category of stuff you're consciously making up. 

For instance, if I sit here at my desk and decide to imagine myself walking downstairs into my kitchen and making a peanut butter sandwich, then that's a pretty easy thing to "see" in my imagination.  It's easy to make stuff up and think about it.  But if I were just sitting here and then suddenly I get some pictures flash through my mind about something that I know for a fact I'm not trying to think about, it's just happening on it's own, then I would really, really like to pay attention to what it is, why it happened, what it means, etc.  For instance, if I were to "see" a car accident in my mind's eye, I'd be pretty interested in wondering why I got that.  Then later, if that accident were to actually happen, that would be proof to me that what I perceived in my mind was real information that I wasn't making up.  After having that sort of thing happen to me again, and again, and again, I would begin to see patterns in how this sort of thing works, and I'd recognize the signs, etc. 

Most people brush off these kinds of "random" thoughts so quickly they become sort of immune to even knowing that they are happening.  But when you begin to pay attention to what comes into your awareness, you will start to notice what's really going on.  People are generally more psychic than they believe.  But it's a matter of paying attention to what you receive in your mind.  And it's also a matter of learning how to interpret what your mind is interpreting. 

Using your imagination and pretending, the way Bruce's method describes, is just a means of taking an active role in opening the door to your nonphysical senses.  This is what Bruce means by "priming the pump of imagination". 

Prem/Op, I don't know if I would call him "power-full". More like "aware". The story about getting arrested came directly from Joe himself. I beleave when I attended "Gateway" at TMI. It may have been "Guildlines". He has a remarkable gift with this remote viewing. Joe is not the only one and many others do and have done just as well as he. One, won the lottery. One does quite well in Vegas. Some look for people, or places, things, like Joe has done in the past years. Some continue to work for the government, looking, seeing, hunting. We do, they do. There is a good chance that you could too at some point if you had the inclination to train yourself. Intention is a big part also.
I don't use Bruces methods, per say. I dont think as I have never read hes last book or listened to his tapes. I am fortunate enough to have a ability to sometimes "see". Some stays at TMI has helped me to form intention and to relax my mind enough to pick up more of what I do see. Sometime you just know. For me, this is the case here. I move directly to her emotional energy.   

Vicky, thank you very much!

You aren't lazy to explain this to a newbie. Very kind from you.
"Priming the pump of imagination". I thought it's like Bruce explained - charging the consciousness with energy. Gathering from below, them from above e.t.c. I can't say it's difficult. I always use gathering from above, like in "The Gateway Experience". Simply if I understand Bob right, after the first exercise under his guidance I established a kind of mark or an anchor in consciousness (an a corresponding anchor in subconsciousness), or simply a subliminal programme. And I'll get the energy in any case, because it's programmed subliminally. An intent is enough, no mistake is possible.
If it's not programmed - then perhaps it's not so reliable. And the energy level plays a considerable role in any mental operation, do you agree?

Hi Hawkeye!

Thank you. It's clear. You have this ability from your birth, so you don't need much training.

And Joe is cool in searching people. Is a photo enough for him? I heard such a point of view, that if one has never seen (in real life) a person, whom he wants to establish a contact with, he'll never be able to do it, unless he has an OUTSTANDING ability to access the collective subconsciousness. Sleepers can penetrate anyone's mind having just a photo, but there are only a few of them on the Earth.

Hi Betson,

I apologize for calling you Brother. Didn't notice the symbol. Sorry, Sister! And thank you, Sister!

betson wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 8:42am:

Dear Premierre, I regret your loss, sir. I used Bruce's book and the breakthrough was almost immediate. Some people like others to be around so they can hear their successes, like in Bruce's workshops. I don't know of any guarantees for a time for results because so many factors are involved. Pretend is really "pretend."  :) Because it is actually so much more than pretending, but that's as close as our language comes to the process.  You are putting yourself into a situation (that you imagine) and then visualizing the situation you want. You could imagine your lost person being joyfylly reunited with you and other loved ones. Rather than wait to attend a workshop or to get guarantees, why not start pretending now that you can talk to this person?! If they cannot tell you where they are, you can ask them to describe their surroundings. Listen and kindly encourage them to talk with you. Have you visited websites that show images of results of Joe McMonegal's (Sp--sorry) work? It takes abit to get used to how to interpret  remote viewing images. Yes, PUL is pure unconditional love. Fear is its opposite or lack. Betson

Hi Bets,

What you state is so true, pretend and you will soon do it. Much like forcing your face into a smile and soon your smile becomes real does it not?

Love

Alan

Prem Op, I think that what ability that I have, everyone has. I am fortunate enough, on a good day, is to recognise and decipher what information I am processing or is being shared with me. My training is far from complete. Understanding of non verbal communication has a potential to be difficult for me. My brains left hand side pushes me to interpret the things I see in whys that make sense on the physical plane. Of course using the whole brain is what is needed to interpret this sort of communication. Training, I need.
As for Joe, he needs no pictures. In the incident I mentioned, he only looked at a map and used his remote viewing abilities. If I remember the story correctly..He felt the police should look in a certain area on the map he was looking at and directed them to do so. It was not within the grid search area. Only after the police searched did they move on to the area that he said to look. Their they found pieces of clothing belonging to her.  They immediately slapped the cuffs on him. As I would expect them to. Why wouldn't they? He had information that indicated where the child had been taken which was proven be the article of clothing. Only after he was given the opportunity to make a call to one of his governmental supervisors, and that person spoke to the police..was he allowed to be let go. I am relaying this story to you second hand. Not like its not one that Joe shares with many at TMI, but first hand is always better. He is on the net and you can easily Google his name. Perhaps he would be willing to tell you the story first hand or better yet you might be able to see him at a TMI program. And he has some great stories. He has of recent been working in Japan doing searches. Hes like a rock star there. Very famous. He is also very gifted and did some movement work in Iraq the second time in looking for powerful people. If anyone thinks that the programs that Joe and Joe, along with a number of others is over, they are mistaken. These programs are as current as they have been since their conception, decades back. The people just change. They move on, and others, with as good or perhaps even better abilities, move up in the ranks. Joe was fortunate that he was not "retired". I believe an attempt was made to, but as luck would have it, it was not successful. I would think that Joe was/is a tough act to follow. Information is a powerful tool. There is a large amount of information avalable to remote viewers, that includes you and I, but only if recognised and interpreted correctly. 

Hi Hawk,


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My brains left hand side pushes me to interpret the things I see in whys that make sense on the physical plane. Of course using the whole brain is what is needed to interpret this sort of communication.

The Hemi-Sync process is specially designed for this, isn't it? Doesn't it make your hemispheres work like a laser (coherent waves)?
Then why not use a mind-machine, they also help, as they say, though I've never tried myself. Many presets for bwgen are interesting, too. Psychotronics is the future of magic. Harmony of human and machine. Psychics + electronics = psychotronics. Some say, crutches. OK, let them train as Yogis and within 20 years of hard work acquire some skills together with hemorrhoids :). At last they may become Masters, but as all know, Yogis don't live too long. To become a Master just to take their skills to the grave? It's stupid for an European. To me it sounds stupid and senseless. That's why I value machines used in addition to human consciousness. What about you?
The left hemisphere. Yes, ratio causes many problems. The thing is to know once and forever, that no objective physical reality exists. Have you ever tried something like LSD or peyot to get rid of the illusion that the reality doesn't depend upon human consciousness? 

Joe did RV little Maddie. He believed she was in South America, and now no longer in physical body and this was posted on these boards some time back.

There is local and non-local information "out there." While it is possible to access and accurately "view" non-local information, lotto numbers and print are "local" and literally change as one views them. There are techniques which assign pictures in a target pool with numbers on a lotto ticket, and Paul Elder related winning a California lottery in working with this technique. It is a great deal of work, as the target pool of photos/pics must be updated and changed daily, and cannot be repeated or have similar non-local information. This means, for example, only one four legged animal, as a cow and a bear and a dog all "look" alike non-locally. One pic= one number. Paul remote viewed himself in the future opening the e-mail containing the pics from the winning numbers, then made sketches and sent them to his partner. She selected the best matches from the target pool, and bought a ticket. Then after the drawing, she e-mailed the pics from the winning numbers to Paul. It was this e-mail he RV'ed himself opening. THen the pics from the winning numbers and from Paul's sketches are removed from the pool and replaced. Lots of work.

Hope this helps.

Thomas