I think that when a person dies,he will bypass the after life and enter a babys body and start another lifetime here on earth.because if we dont get it right we will have to come back again enyway.George

So how do you explain every Near Death Experience that has occurred throughout the ages?

and what if we do get it right George? What then?

All have sinned and came short of heaven,so it will take many lifetimes to get to heaven.we must be like god with no earthly disires what so ever.we must walk with every day of our lives.George

George, is there a person who can live so 'perfectly' in a human body?

How is it possible to live in a human body but to have no earthly desires?

Why would God give us an earthly body with desires, but we are supposed to ignore those desires? Do they have no purpose?

Why, then, are we 'gifted' with desire?

In looking at a portion of your statements (quote: "All have sinned and came short of heaven"), I notice that you are quoting a Christian source, which contains more information when examined. The information is clearer to me in some translations than others. It is very clear, however, that the quote is taken out of context, and that it points to a different conclusion, according to the source.

What are your thoughts?

Well lets put it this way.jesus lived on earth and did not sin.So I guess,just because he did it.we are suposted to do it to get to heaven.There are no spiritual beings in heaven.we must overcome the disires of the flesh like money,wanted this and that.we were never ment to be happy having earthly things  just spiritual disires.try to be more spiritual like helping others.little acts of kindness will go a long way.we must love our brothers and sisters.every thought is writen down.the more we do for others will make a big difference in ourplate.

I like your answer, George. I think it holds some gems of wisdom.

Still, saved by 'works' or saved by 'faith': what is most important? Or, is it both? I don't claim to know all. It seems to me that both are important. We seem, as human beings, to strive in more than one direction at a time.

To do good...to have faith.

If not for these, why are we here? I'll be interested in anyone's answer to that... :)

Of course, there are multiple sources which suggest that faith alone holds great promise for each of us.

Yes I understand faith we must have faith.but if we go out and sin,our faith is in vain.so faith alone will not get us to heaven.love and forgiveness will.George

You make it sound so simple, George. I like that very much. Thank you.

george stone wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 11:49pm:

I think that when a person dies,he will bypass the after life and enter a babys body and start another lifetime here on earth.because if we dont get it right we will have to come back again enyway.George

George who wants to come back as a baby be burped, cleaned, wiped snotty nose, lose your freedom

I am not coming back to this Grey existence after seeing the glory of the other side of life

Alan

allen,sometimes we have nochoice,are you with out sin in this life?if you are you can stay,if you have sinid you have come back.you dont get a free ride.George

george stone wrote on Jun 15^th, 2009 at 2:09pm:

allen,sometimes we have nochoice,are you with out sin in this life?if you are you can stay,if you have sinid you have come back.you dont get a free ride.George

George,

If those were "the rules", then I think we'd all be stuck here in a permanent loop unless we were Jesus Christ himself.  Since JC has come and gone, I'd think everyone else would be trapped in this cycle forever.  I can't think of anyone who I firmly believe has never, ever sinned.

And who decides what "sin" is?

Sin - an act that is regarded by theologians as a transgression of god's will - violate a law of god. I've just seen alice in wonderland, and this reminds me of the mad hatter queen of hearts' world. Off with their heads. As alice sings to herself in the woods, I give myself very good advice, but I very seldom follow it. I say the concept of sin is an act of putting experiental fences up around oneself, and if experience is the bottom line here, wonderland it is.

There's a lot of information which states that we don't reincarnate right away.  Going by the messages I've received and the experiences I've had, each of us is a part of a bigger self, and none of us incarnate more than once.  

If all generations of time are occuring right now, then I figure the other parts of our bigger self are incarnated right now. When each of us returns we share what we learned with each other.

I'm not one hundred percent certain, but I believe that each of us continues to exist. It isn't like a bunch of selves return to a larger self, and this larger self says: "Hah, hah, none of you get to continue to exist. It is time for me to eat you!"  How would doing such a thing be any different than a parent eating his or her children? Once we go through the trials and tribulations of living in this World and what ever spirit realms we live in, why should our right to exist as unique souls be taken away?

There are a lot of so-called enlightened people who say you have to reincarnate over and over again until you get enlightened. When you examine many of their lives, it hardly seems as if they are/were as transcendent as they claim. Would an enlightened being do something such as die in his 40s of alcoholism?

george stone wrote on Jun 15^th, 2009 at 2:09pm:

allen,sometimes we have nochoice,are you with out sin in this life?if you are you can stay,if you have sinid you have come back.you dont get a free ride.George

We do have a choice George, I know this by my NDE

If we have to wait to be without sin , then eternity would not be long enough

Alan

Allen we have allways excisted,and have had reincarnation over and over again.This I know to be true

How George?

I get most of my messages in dreams.I have seen my lifetimes in dreams.from the time of christ up to the present time.Allen if everybody knew for sure that reincarnation really excisted.people would say oh,so I can do anything I want to do in this life,and make up for it in the next life.do you understand.George

Recoverer,

"I'm not one hundred percent certain, but I believe that each of us continues to exist. It isn't like a bunch of selves return to a larger self, and this larger self says: "Hah, hah, none of you get to continue to exist. It is time for me to eat you!"  How would doing such a thing be any different than a parent eating his or her children? Once we go through the trials and tribulations of living in this World and what ever spirit realms we live in, why should our right to exist as unique souls be taken away?"

That's a funny way of putting it. But think it's quite different than a parent eating the children. The gore aside, I reckon it's more like pieces of the higher self being integrated. I really like my individuality, no surprise there, but I see my higher self as the real me, and I very much look forward to be done here and to merge. Being whole isn't really the right wording for the feeling, but something along those notes.

"There are a lot of so-called enlightened people who say you have to reincarnate over and over again until you get enlightened. When you examine many of their lives, it hardly seems as if they are/were as transcendent as they claim. Would an enlightened being do something such as die in his 40s of alcoholism?"

I see reincarnation as linear and not optimum compared to simultaneous incarnations. If one incarnation averages at 50 years old times a thousand, that's a lot at once. The impressive part of that to me isn't the linear scale, but the mind-numbing amount of experiences (5 senses and more, interactions, emotions and so on) that pours into the higher self, and the extremely impressive planning, handling and care taking place. As one incarnation, playing a role playing game with friends, a few characters would perhaps be more than enough to handle. And I imagine the possibility of the whole experience being a lot greater than can be thought out while having the perspective of being a fragment of the higher self. Perhaps there are sub-incarnations in other dimensions in this density to even further maximize the potential of growth, with different tweaks to the paths of the main 1000+ incarnations.

Volu:

Here's another way to put it. Say a higher self incarnates 2,000 smaller selves.  If these 2,000 selves had to be negated so that in the end only one self existed, then only one being as opposed to 2,001 beings get to enjoy existence for all of eternity.  I can't say this sort of math is pleasing.

If 2,000 people were killed in some event it would be considered a tragedy.  If only one self gets to survive in the end, then these 2,000 people wouldn't have an eternal life to look forward to. Just the moment when they are stripped apart so a higher self can use them in whatever way it chooses to do so.

If a higher self lives according to principles such as love, respect, and the appreciation of life, there is no way it would heartlessly eradicate the lives of 2,000 souls for the sake of its own self serving purposes.

If some large being tried to erradicate my existence, I'd go down fighthing. I've worked too hard to make my life worthwhile, to allow some being to strip me apart as if I'm an old car in a junkyard.

But as I suggested, I don't believe that higher selves exist in such a way. They understand that once a person/soul has a sense of self and values his or her life, this matters in a very significant way.

Thats why everyone have there own DNA.one soul many masters.George