Hi,

(Cleve Backster is that fellow who has spent about 50 years so far  recording the responses of plants and other living cells with EEGs, EKGs, lie detectors, etc. Now he works more with live cell scrapings similiar to those collected for DNA research and also with bacteria he gets from yogurt, etc.)

After the initial extreme reaction of living cells to danger or annihilation, they set up a rather steady humming vibratory pattern. Cleve Backster interprets this (and I've simplified it to keep it brief) to the cells' warning others of danger and then all of them 'fainting.'  
They don't flat-line but their vibration is smaller.

If cells faint and if we faint / click out readily at signs of danger, why don't more life forms use this technique?
OK, never mind, I see--they'd get eaten or killed possibly.
So I'll change my question:
In our current culture fainting is sort of a joke.
Often it's made fun of.
Do you think fainting has more value than we today allow it?

Your ideas on this interest me because I asked Guidance why I was attacked once and what I was to learn from it and they said  'you were expected to faint.'  ??

Bets

I got the Backster info for this from his book "Primary Perception" 2006 White Rose Millenium Press, Anza CA.

(I suspect he calls his work Perception rather than Consciousness bcause consciousness studies are so extensive now that a researcher in it would probably have to be well-read in that field to be considered by others. Backster also calls his work biocommunication and says it goes where electro-magnetism cannot, which is also a more recent claim of the newly determined energies in physics. )

Hi Bets,

Can you tell something about that attack?
What exactly happened?

I now realise you probably mean attacked in the physical, not while out off body?

Hi Remco

Yes, attacked in the physical by physical cruel people.

You were just concerned about negative spirits while OB?
I've never met any negative spirits in 'the afterlife' that couldn't be disengaged by emanating PUL. Are you familiar with that technique? Ididn't know about it when I was physically attacked so I don't know if it would have had an effect on them.

Bets  :)

Sorry to here about that attack hope you are doing ok now.

Yes I am familiar with emanating PUL but I never had any bad experiences while ob.
I doubt it would have any effect on them while you where attacked, maybe you could have change their mind before it.

Is it possible that the message of your Guidance was that they (the attacker) expected you to faint?

Hi

That doesn't quite apply.
Lets talk about something else.

Bets

OK,

I am thinking about your original question but don't know an answer at the moment.
Have to go now it's almost midnight here and i have to work tommorow.

Bye.

Remco

Hi

I put the attack part in because I wanted to show I was serious about  what fainting could be, so the topic wouldn't be considered a joke.

Bets  

  To faint is a negative term, insofar it says nothing meaningful about what happens to the one who faints. In Monroe speak, one just phases out of the physical, as in deep sleep, but we don't know "where" this one goes to. It's (usually) a time-gap.

  From the perspective of others this one is totally passive, except the basic automatic body functions. We could guess to faint might be a protection against a psychological traumatization.

  This is on the level of human consciousness, I think it is problematic to interprete rhythmical patterns of cells as faint. There would be a similarity if it could be proven that these cells in that state are not reacting to external stimulation anymore. But it would be just a similarity and we don't know if it is to them like it is for a human when one faints.

Spooky

Hi
thank you, Spooky.

You said: There would be a similarity if it could be proven
that these cells in that state are not reacting to external
stimulation anymore.

Backster has the polygraph recording tapes that show the vibration levels. These read-out tapes are shown in the book I'm reading. The levels do change and go into a low-level rate that doesn't change for incidental stimulation.  Their first activity before his experiment as shown by the tape does show many incidental variations.
Since we have no other word for such a low-level of activity, can't we use the analogy of fainting ?

And to call fainting a negative term as you did is exactly the point of view I am contesting---
Should we think of it as a negative process if it's part of the 'universal order of things'?   What is gained during a trauma by struggling to stay conscious?   Perhaps when a trauma becomes inevitable we are better off fainting/clicking-out?

Here are some OB implications:

Many brave souls click out during OBs and then give up on OBing because they think they're not getting anywher. If they respected the click-out process they might return to OBing dispite that disappointment and go on to have the miraculous contacts that make the afterlife realm so wondrous.

Many brave souls fight the click-out and then face negative spirits that come clothed as the most hideous frightful 'things' that they personally can imagine. If they respected the click out they could let it hapen and go on with the explorations.  

Bets

  Yes Bets, true. I meant with "negative" not "bad" but that we can only tell what faint is not rather than what it is: It is not being there anymore for a while. This can be a good thing I think, as you said. When something happens which we can't bear, then it's better to leave mentally.

  The OBE implications you gave let me think of an intelligent inherent filter mechanism which we should trust; but then, there is as well a connection to the phaenomenon Bruce adresses in his books, we won't perceive something when we deeply hold something for impossible, when it can't be integrated in our belief system. In turn, the less rigid, the broader and more open our belief system is, the more varieties of things we would perceive. The details of how this exactly works are quite complicated though in my experience.

Spooky