I awoke abruptly in the middle of the night vividly remembering this experience.  My involvement in this experience was that of a point-of-consciousness observer.  To me, it was like watching a movie.  

I am seeing a man sitting in a transportation station.  He's a cab driver who is sitting and waiting for a customer.  I’m not actually part of the scene, but my point-of-consciousness perspective has me hovering in front of him.  He's not speaking to me, but I feel what I know about him as if I'm receiving communication from him.  He's been waiting a long time for someone to come along, and once someone gets there he will have a job to do.  He's pleasant and patient, but at this point I have no idea this is one of "those" experiences, and all I am thinking is that I feel sorry for this cab driver who has nothing to do but wait.  

In the distance behind him I see a woman approaching but then she hesitates.  She appears happy and very confident and self-assured.  She is carrying a big handbag on her shoulder and appears to be a traveler and I think, "Ok, good.  Maybe this guy finally has a customer!"  But the woman seems to be careful about how she approaches this guy.  I wonder to myself why she is being hesitant, and then just by looking at her I can sense that she is deciding that she will have to pretend to need a ride.  So then I wonder to myself why she needs to pretend.  

The next thing I know is that we are all in this guy's taxi, which seems to be more of a mini-van than a cab.  My perspective is still just an observer, as I don't feel physically part of the scene and I don't feel as if they see me as part of the scene.  

The woman is sitting in the back seat behind the passenger seat, and the man is in the driver's seat.  He's driving down a vacant road.  It's dark out.  It feels late to me.  I wonder where we are going.  When he is speaking to the young woman, my focus is turned toward him, and when she is speaking my focus is turned toward her, as if I am merely turning my head to follow their conversation, but I have no physical body in this experience.

The man is making pleasant small talk and he's looking at her in the rear view mirror occasionally.  The woman is a young, pretty, black woman, early 20s.  To me she seems so "together", a quality I admire.  She begins telling the driver that she's on a quest looking for her father, and she also tells him that she wonders if her father is looking for her as well.  It makes me wonder if this man is her father.  Is that what she’s alluding to?  He's a white man, maybe in his 50s, and although it's possible, he makes no acknowledgement about it so I quickly realize that's not what this is about.  

The man is genuinely interested and listens attentively.  She then mentions that she is pregnant, and for the first time I notice that she is.  She tells him that she wouldn't want her own child to be lost and looking for her, the way that she feels lost and is looking for her own father.  I feel my sense of woman's intuition tell me that she’s lying--not to deceive, but in order to pretend something.  I wonder to myself why she's trying to fool him into believing she’s lost and on a search for her father.  The cab driver expresses that he wants to be of help to this young woman.

I turn to him and get the impression that he's feeling very flattered that he can be of help.  He is of the mind frame that being a driver is his way of helping people find where they need to go, and he's more than happy to help out.  

I finally feel like I'm catching on as to what's really taking place here.  She doesn't really need his help, she's here to help him.  

The driver suddenly remembers something important, and he's surprised he's forgotten.  He had two young boys once.  They died in a car accident many years ago.  It seems her conversation has opened him up to remembering this part of his life that he's been able to forget.  As he tells her about the loss of his own children, he tells the young woman he understands how she feels.  He wouldn't want his own boys to be lost either, but he hasn't thought of them in such a long time he can't remember when he lost track.  All he's known is that he's been waiting such a long time to give someone a ride.  He wishes he could find his boys, but he knows that they are gone now.  He has accepted their death and he has moved on, continuing to do his job helping people get to their destinations.  Being focused in his work has made it easier for him to "forget" about his sons' deaths.  

She abruptly changes the subject by announcing that she needs to go up this mountain road that is to our right.  That is her ultimate destination.  This made me wonder why she is suddenly changing the subject.  The man was just telling about the death of his two sons and obviously it was bringing back painful memories, so why would she suddenly change the subject??

To me it seemed a little rude and out of place, but it caused the driver to instead notice something up ahead on the road that he didn't notice before.  He swears he's driven this road a hundred times and has never noticed the mysterious fog up ahead and to our left.  His attention is so focused on the road up ahead that he expresses that he'd really like to go that way instead.  

The nice young woman kindly suggests that we drive over and see, and she says she has plenty of time to get to her destination.  I quickly think to myself, "Oh she's good.  She knows exactly what she's doing.  She's leading him on exactly how she wants."  But at this point I'm still not sure why.  

The man is very appreciative of her suggestion and without hesitation he drives up ahead to the road on the left.  We turn and drive down that road and come to a place in the middle of the road where we can't go any further.  This road is secluded and surrounded on each side by thick trees.  It seems like the kind of road that doesn't get heavy traffic, and the fog makes it seem a little spooky to me.  The driver and the woman get out of the cab, and I follow still in my point-of-consciousness mode.  

Two young boys are alone, shivering, and scared of the dark.  I immediately sense they are brothers, maybe twins, about 8 years old.  We learn that they have been out lost on this road for a very long time.  They have lost track of how long they've been out there, but they say they just keep wandering and waiting to find a way home.  

I notice that we aren't the only ones out here.  Slowly, other people come out into the scene.  They too have been there a long time, obviously aware of the frightened boys and wanting to be of assistance but not wanting to scare them.  

The boys said when the others came they became more frightened and walked the other way, and felt they walked a very long time until finally finding an abandoned house.  Once they got inside though, the house was just a small room with large windows looking out onto the road.  It didn't make sense to them, because from the inside of the house it looks as though the house is sitting right in the middle of the road.  The boys can see the other people through the large window looking back in at them.  The boys hide in the house until the others leave, then they go back out onto the road.  The other people don't actually leave, but come out again trying to reach the boys, but it frightens them and they hide again.

From my own perspective I can see that these other people just want to help the children but can't seem to make them understand that.  When the boys explain hiding inside the abandoned house, I get the understanding of how the boys see them.  They see these people as ghosts, scaring them.  

I get the feeling that this scenario has been going on back and forth for quite some time.  I feel the exhaustion of this situation and it feels like dreadful loneliness to me.
 
The cab driver who has been quietly standing off to the side listening this whole time is suddenly overwhelmed with emotion at realizing that these two young boys are his boys who died long ago.  I didn't even put that together until he spoke up.  I was surprised to hear this.  He had no idea they were lost and waiting, just as he had no idea that he had been lost and waiting too.  Then it hit me, the man is dead too.  This was the first time in this experience that it dawned on me that the woman was here to take everyone home.  Still just a point of consciousness, I felt so surprised and overwhelmed to finally understand all this.  I began to wonder why I was there and how I got there, but I appreciated observing this special reunion.  

The nice young woman kneels down in front of the two boys and she talks gently to them, explaining that she knows how they feel.  She knows what it's like to feel lost and alone.  She tells them it's over now.   They can all go on this trip up the mountain together.  The reunion is a happy one.  Being a mom, I feel such relief these boys don't have to feel frightened and lost anymore.  


Sorry that was such a long story, but thanks for reading.  The reallness and vividness of this experience were unbelievable.  

Vicky

Hi Vicky,

Have you figured out how you got included in this scene?  Have you been worrying about your children being lost, (for example)?  Or do you suppose these were members of your Disk (afterlife) family?

:) Bets

Thanks for writing it down in all the details Vicky!

Spooky

Spooky,

You're welcome Spooky and thank you.  I am always happy to share my experiences even when I don't have full meaning of them myself.  That's the way my book is too--heavy on the details.  I realize that's just the way I am, and I guess that's how I like to understand things.  

Betsi,

I never did get more insight of this experience than what I shared here.  I don't think it has to do with my own worries or my own kids.  I think it's probably just an experience that was available for me to observe.  I have been feeling very interested in learning more about retrievals for quite a while now, so I think this is part of that learning process.

Hi Vicky and all,

Maybe your presence and ability to empathize with several--All?--of the souls involved gave them the calming reassuring energy they needed, even without your verbal involvement?

*  :) * Vicky's book will show how sensitive she is to spiritual/afterlife influences. She has developed the ability to 'operate'?/ live? very successfully on both sides of what most of us still feel is a curtain. I feel fortunate I got an early peek at her manuscript, because it has showed me better how to accept the world that exists without time or physical limits! Thank you so much, Vicky, for sharing your insights!

Bets

Wow!  :D

I am curious to find out how many people are stuck and need to be retrieved.
Does anyone have an approximate number?

Maks

excellent retrieval, or observation of one Vicki, never seen one quite as well described. you really are a good writer, with the details.

what stands out the most for me in this, is the boys considered the people who were there to assist them, as ghosts.
this points out that physically based vibratory rate retrievers, are the more easily seen by the retrievee and points to the reason why us physical retrievers are able to perform on this other dimension.

and no other retriever has been able to reflect on this matter quite as well as Vicky to date, but it has been a reaccuring question for years.
Simply put, helpers of nonphyiscal embodiment look unreal or as Vicki put it, like ghosts.

I would say, the fear in the little boys, was acting as a block to them, to be able to move onto a more comfortable station. Doubt and fear can also construct a false reality.
now we have love on the scene.

the dad buried his love, his memory, understandably of his boys he thought he lost to death. then he makes his transition to the other side and becomes stuck himself in the same "waiting" pattern his boys are stuck in.
The young woman jogs his memory by leading the conversation to thoughts of the father image, thus he remembers he once was a father himself. Love is remembered, love will win out over the fear that binds us in whatever circumstance.

I would point out, not in a recriminatory manner, yet the man, if he had not buried his love, if he been able to deal with the pain of losing the kids before he left the earth plane, the children would have been retrieved by his love and remembrance of them and would not have been stuck, waiting for their own retrieval. Because the pain was so great, to lose kids, must be the worst that can happen to us on the earth, my opinion. some parents commit suicide if this happens to them, and I assume he didn't do that. I'm pointing out, the need for retrievals and that they can be performed while we are still in the body. In a sense, the father was doing the retrieval, with assistance, I'm saying all of us, alive now, can do retrievals, if we can face the pain of some of the things we go through.
F=false
E=evidence
A=appearing
R=real

Love is real. fear is false evidence.
retrievals are acts of love.  wonderful retrieval Vicky.
A couple of times Vicky I have sensed myself as an observational point of consciousness.
one time I stepped into a woman's body form and got directly involved with the players, both physical and nonphysical.
Other times, I am aware of watching the scenes without being directly in them. so I relate to what you're saying.
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 Wow, what a vivid and insightful experience Vicky!   Thank you for sharing it?

Thanks for the comments everyone.  I do love when I get one of "those" experiences.  I need to learn more and more, and with each experience I do learn something new, but still am left with wanting more.  That's a good thing!

Bets and Alysia, you guys are flattering me WAY too much.  I don't feel very experienced, but am still just a student.  I think that shows in this retrieval.  Throughout it, I am like a kid with big round eyes, watching in awe and amazement and can't wait to see what happens next.  

I'm sure the experiences will come where I get to be the one doing the guiding and teaching--that'll be neat.  

I like that the dad needed some help and then was able to turn around and find his kids.  Alysia is right, there is so much sadness when it comes to forgetting and moving on.  We really owe it to ourselves in our lives to do as much as we can to complete our own journey.  And that means being able to face the hard stuff.  

I like the description of FEAR Alysia.

And about what you said at the bottom of your post--that makes me remember long ago I once wanted to know what level of consciousness Edgar Cayce operated on during his life.  What it took for him to be of the capacity to do what he did, even if he himself did not completely understand it on his physical consciousness level.  What was his higher consciousness like?  I guess that's what I was wondering.  Anyway, I had one of those experiences of stepping into someone.  In this case, it was a nonphysical representation of the man himself, but the point was that I was the embodiment of his higher conscious self for a brief few moments and experienced an overwhelming feeling of Pure Unconditional Love, which would have been too much for me to experience had I stayed in the experience any longer.  It was powerful.

That was many years before I knew Bruce Moen or heard the words Pure Unconditional Love or knew it existed.  

Love,

Vicky

I too reflected on what Edgar Cayce was like in his everyday personality and as related to being able to plug into higher consciousness and produce specific remedies for folks. Since Justin has studied Cayce more than I have, he might be able to give us clues.
I have deep admiration for the service Cayce provided.

We're all in various states of development and learning Vicki, and I knew you would feel overly flattered for your contributions here, as I am plugged into the group consciousness here and hear thoughts and emotions from you and others from time to time.

It just enters my head unbidden, so to speak. I just smiled to myself when I got your message yesterday, as I am in joy to be connected to you this way. Makes me feel not quite so alone as we move into this century. I received your emotions.

and you are a humble critter. I like that kind. My appreciation to get real, honest, straight up descriptions of personal journeys we take, from the heart is tremendous, and you should let yourself feel good about yourself, as for one thing, no one seems to realize how much time it takes to put one's energy on this board, in such detail, and rarely does anyone say thank you.

I have decided to be one who says thank you and keep it coming.
and just think, we don't have to purchase with money what we have going on here. it's free, and the very act of sharing is an act of love, of unconditional love.

especially if I get something out of a post, I so rarely get anything out of a post anymore, that causes me to grow into more understanding.

but your post did cause that, for me. perhaps because of the commonalities of our journeys.
Bruce once said something to that effect: he said, we might read a lot of books on this sort of thing, there might be a lot of different kinds of experiences to read about: there are also a myriad of belief systems, philosophies, methods of how-to to survey. If we can find the commonality that runs through all these different beliefs we hold, we then have a gllimpse of the underlying truths.

so my intentions is to find the commonalites within humanity, the differences are obvious; the commonalities is related to the Oneness of humanity.

I still foresee your book as becoming important because it's important to me. and I'm important to myself!  :) and it's the way you pay attention to the details which strikes me as also important.

such as this walking into what appears as another body form.
I can share my memory of this. maybe we can discover something together by reflecting on it.

As I recall I was retrieving a rapist who sometimes murdered, or was capable of murder. He had already left the physical area, but was stuck in his belief system.
I was to unstick him from it. Just like your experience above, this was one of a kind, and so profoundly effecting me, that I cannot forget how my self confidence rose afterwards, and the joy was in freeing him from being stuck. although I was not alone in doing that.

this time I saw the guides and helpers and they were telling me what to do, and they had vague body form, but I was a point of observation, until I was directed to enter the form of a young woman, to play the role of retriever within that form.

The image form of her was like a real person standing there, but not animated with a soul. Like this form had been produced for me, so I could then interact with the retrievee.
It was like a staging area. Even the rapist seemed to be but another actor. all the helpers watched from the sidelines, giving me cues from time to time.
I had wondered in C1 if I was capable of doing such a retrieval. The guides were telling me I was to be tested right now. As this observational point, I was eager to test myself.
In order to stay in character, I had to act like I was really her.
I was given the details of a young woman of great ambition in the world, hard working, single, rising upward in her profession, her one fault seemed to be not knowing she was being preyed upon by this dangerous person, I was to retrieve.

This body I had stepped into did not look at all like I look, although I found I had some of her attibutes, I had none of her particular ambitions, so I don't think she was a representation of myself personally.
I sometimes think she had been his victim, in physical life, had been retrieved to a higher level, was in the crowd watching now, to understand how it could have turned out.
I got the feeling he had done in more than just her. something like 3 to 5 others had fallen by his hand.

anyway, it turned out well. I was being tested on how well I kept my cool and in the end, I got involved in my role and forgot I was not her, but I didn't forget my retrieval skills, nor the use of my voice, the way I can puff a person up with love. seems to be an asset as well as a drawback sometimes!

the belief system he had become stuck in was in reference to a mother who made him feel inferior, and told him no woman would ever want him. In his mind, all women had become the enemy because of one woman, his mother, who had not nurtured the child when he was young. I convinced him that women would find him desirable somehow and he believed me.
then a guide came upon us at just the right moment and took him off my hands informing me the retrieval had been successful, as now he was willing to be taken by another woman, to a higher level and out of his circumstances of continuing to prey upon woman in general.

I was whooping with awe for days.....I had passed the test. :D

Alysia,

You felt connected to me recently?  I completely understand what you are saying.  I feel those moments too with folks.  Glad to hear someone was tapped into me!  Makes me feel not so alone in this world.   :)

I remember with clarity the times I've been nonphysically connected to you too.  And then you with Ryan.  Remember him?  Wish he was still around here.  He once tried to tune into me and was able to pick up specific things about my work and job that were amazingly precise.  He said "I don't know what this means" when he told it to me, and I said I could tell him exactly what it meant!  And I think he nearly fainted when he realized how uncanny his accuracy was.  

Yes, you're right.  We get to share things here and learn from others and it's all free!  I do love free!  I continue to learn so much from my old friends here, and to all you folks...I'm glad you all still hang around here.  You newbies too.  

After doing the Barenaked Ladies cruise I just got back from, it makes me wish we could have a Conversation Board Cruise!  How fun would that be to hang out with all the board members and get to see everyone in person.  

I want to say thank you to you for always being so encouraging.  It really makes me feel good about myself when you and everyone else say they like my honesty and tell-it-like-it-is approach in my writing.  I usually feel so self conscious about how I write, thinking that it's so juvenile, but when I hear that my straight-forwardness makes me seem so real and honest, it really puts a smile in my heart.  

I agree with what you say about finding the commonalities between our experiences and other people's experiences.  It's like finding a familiar face in the crowd.  It feels good to make that connection and to feel right at home.  

Vicky said:
Alysia,

You felt connected to me recently?
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yes, some more connected to than others. I get rotes off words sometimes; some people excite my psychic abilities more than others, I think it's because of our commonalities. we're both writers. both like to tell it like it happened. so heres what happened as best I can explain what happens psychically. of course, we've been friends a long time and spoken privately. that's part of memory association.
someone's name will pop up in my mind who I've just posted to usually.  Then I will present a questioning attitude, like to say, why am I thinking about Vicky?
Then I seem to hear Vicki's voice in tone and pitch. I catch just a few words of our language, however I catch the emotional quality quite well within the sound, and the emotions tell what's going on between us and the interpreter begins to work with the emotions.
what I basically picked up was what you had written down:
that you were surprised to receive our loving replies, and so considered it may well have been flattery coming your way.

sometimes I felt Bets does flatter yet she really is that way..she is a very loving person, and forgiving person also. as for me, I was certain it was not flattery but factual. I actually believe whatever I'm saying with my whole mind and heart. mainly because of the psychic impressions I receive that I just described.

You are so similar to myself Vicky. I remember a good friend said to me once and I still have trouble with his message, but I knew it was true; just couldn't accept it totally; he said "you don't know who you are alysia."

and you don't accept your own beauty either Vicki, but you are headed that way. It's a refusal of self empowerment in a sense, but if you think about it, we all find ways to be "just one of the crowd" and find it difficult to one degree or another to accept compliments from others even if they are true.

so this is all just chatter to say I love you. you don't even need to respond back. you know I was with you every step of the way when your separation came in your marriage. in my heart. I understand the pain and I understand all too well why the separation had to come about.

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I completely understand what you are saying.  I feel those moments too with folks.  Glad to hear someone was tapped into me!  Makes me feel not so alone in this world.   :)
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you're so much like me, tee hee, you just repeated the very words I said to you in another post, about not being alone..no we're never alone, our friends are just invisible! shucks!  except one time Vicki, your very special guide materialized for you, and I know this is true, don't know how I know, but it was/is true.
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I remember with clarity the times I've been nonphysically connected to you too.  And then you with Ryan.  Remember him?
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Ryan is one of my friends on myspace. of course how can I forget Ryan. and his chilipepper fascination. lol.
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Wish he was still around here.  He once tried to tune into me and was able to pick up specific things about my work and job that were amazingly precise.  He said "I don't know what this means" when he told it to me, and I said I could tell him exactly what it meant!  And I think he nearly fainted when he realized how uncanny his accuracy was.  
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Ryan did his first retrieval due to coming to this board. he was VERY excited. we met in obe; that's why I will never forget him. He is an Indigo child. there are many Indigo children among us. They are very psychic and advanced souls.
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Yes, you're right.  We get to share things here and learn from others and it's all free!  I do love free!  I continue to learn so much from my old friends here, and to all you folks...I'm glad you all still hang around here.  You newbies too.  
How fun would that be to hang out with all the board members and get to see everyone in person.
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hmm. would be nice. I'm sure we'll all get together; maybe in the afterlife though, due to the ease with which travel can be accomplished on the other side!  :)
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I want to say thank you to you for always being so encouraging.  It really makes me feel good about myself when you and everyone else say they like my honesty and tell-it-like-it-is approach in my writing.  I usually feel so self conscious about how I write, thinking that it's so juvenile, but when I hear that my straight-forwardness makes me seem so real and honest, it really puts a smile in my heart.
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thank u, lol, for saying thank you! I'm just grinning here. I understand. I did a lot of self editing myself in my book, and as the book changed, I found I was changing subtly along with it. did you ever cry while you were writing? I did!  :'( ;D  oh, how I hated snipping myself..my book pages to get it to the size I wanted.
It's because you don't want to tell a lie, to mislead others, you are an honest person. you just want it to be real. it's working Vicki. have faith!
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I agree with what you say about finding the commonalities between our experiences and other people's experiences.  It's like finding a familiar face in the crowd.  It feels good to make that connection and to feel right at home.  
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HAPPY CENTURY Vicki!   we are now full swing in the shift in consciousness. fasten your seatbelts I always say.  :D

Boy are we WAY off topic, here...but hey, I started this thread so that's ok by me.

Tell Ryan to contact me please!  I thought he was on Facebook but I can't find him there.  

Anyway, did I cry while editing by book?  No, not from having to edit or take things out.  Once written I feel those words were engraved in the Universe, whether anyone gets to read them or not.  

For the things I had to cut out, I can use those stories on my blog or something!  How's that for looking on the bright side?

As far as crying while writing, yes there are a few places that really have the tears come out.  Even when I read it for the final copy, it can bring tears at times.  

I hope Bruce doesn't mind me saying...but my stories have brought tears to his eyes a couple times, so that to me is one of the biggest compliments I can receive.  I hope people reading my book will get the same reaction to some of my stories.  

The manifestation experience of mine you're referring to...my guide Luis...when I told my dad that story (about 11 years ago) he said, "You need to tell that story to everyone, and continue telling it.  There are people who need to hear it!"  It was that encouragement that helped me decide to write down my stories.  And I owe it to others who have written their own experiences and stories, because that helped mold my belief that we all have such a good story to tell.  

Love you too~

Vicky

Yeah Vicky. You have a wise dad.
:)
Spooky

re: Edgar Cayce--this was a personality who even as a younger child, was asking to be of universal service to those in need, hence most likely his Disk/greater self was probably quite attuned to PUL, and perhaps finishing up its full graduation in this system, though as the readings said this Soul got a little side tracked.  His source also said that he was a rather old soul and that people would benefit from knowing him, yet also chiding him somewhat on other occasions about his extremist tendencies, etc.  Said he needed to be more personally clear, body balanced/strong, and spiritual/PUL attuned as a personality for the info to come through clearer and more accurately.

 Said his next life may develop to that capacity to be a liberator of the world in its relationships to individuals in those periods to come.  What exactly that means, i do not know.  Sounds like a full graduate, or close to, in the flesh.  

 I don't tend to miss people per se, but i definitely enjoyed Ryans energy.   We also both love the Chili Peppers, and their new more positive, spiritual, and conscious direction.

Vicky;
Thank you so much, for sharing your insights and experiences...That was a very nice read; really enjoy it.
And the way it all unfold...wow.

Keep it up Vicky and waiting to read  you book when it's out..
PUL dear Soul
Romain

Hey Alysia!
Hi !  :)

I do NOT flatter !  I do think though that some folks--many, actually -- need to be reminded of their good qualities, so I try to remind them. If they are worried or down on themselves, that is holding back their spiritual development. so reminding them of their good stuff is just an attempt to give them a boost,  some spiritual 'uppers'!

I did  it first on retrievals to try to dislodge those stuck souls from their lower frequencies. It worked well there, so why not do the same for us incarnates who are still walking and trudging along the path ? :)

-- Speaking of giving souls a boost, do you know what I was just thinking about missing? --  I miss the song lyrics that Kathy  and blink and you Alysia used to post. Love songs to us all that reminded us that PUL is all around, that it can be expressed in beautiful ways. I miss that.

Bets

Hi Romain!  Thank you!

I've enjoyed all the comments said and shared on this thread.  


:)


Bets, Alysia, and Romain, that's what makes you guys such good moderators--you're ability to encourage folks and raise Consciousness here on this board.  Same to all the others for their own contributions and words of encouragement.

So along those lines, since my own retrieval experiences obviously seem to have the same pattern to them, does anyone have any ideas they can offer about how I can raise my awareness during such experiences?  

How do I go from feeling like I'm an observer, to feeling like I am in the know and can begin to lend a hand and interact with these stuck souls, the way Bruce wrote about in his books?  

I wonder if there is a difference because this retrieval happened while I was asleep, i.e. in the dream states?  But no, I don't think so.  I remember my first retrieval happened in the middle of the afternoon while my kids were watching TV in the next room.  

I was certainly NOT physically asleep when that one happened, and yet I still had the feeling of merely watching and not doing much participating.  I still did not feel that the people involved could see or hear me.  

I remember toward the end of my very first retrieval, my thoughts actually did finally get through to one person, but again I had that point-of-consciousness feeling the entire time, and never felt physically part of their world.

How do others experience their retrieval experiences I want to know?  This is probably why I write/share my experiences in such detail.  I'm always analyzing these kinds of things.  

I guess it boils down to that thing Bruce teaches about playing along in that person's reality.  You have to make yourself become seen and heard to them, otherwise they will not perceive you.  That's the next thing I need to learn how to do.  

thanks Justin, for your Cayce insight. rings true. btw..send my book to you yesterday. postage 2.23. you're worth it!
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Bets, Alysia, and Romain, that's what makes you guys such good moderators--you're ability to encourage folks and raise Consciousness here on this board.
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Vicki moves us back on topic!  :) I agree Bets with your comment about boost. and you are super in that dept. just personally speaking, some things you said to me, very nice things indeed, in private, I was not able to accept due to my own self image problems. it doesn't mean I didn't appreciate your comments, just that I had a problem accepting when people say nice things to me. I must say I am improving in that area, should anyone want to give me a compliment! haha!  :D
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just briefly, if that's possible, uhmm, I'm with Bets, Romain and Vicki, that's it's very important to point out a poster's positive attributes, or if you don't see anything positive, perhaps decline to join negative posts that could build if we added our own sense of negativity.
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So along those lines, since my own retrieval experiences obviously seem to have the same pattern to them, does anyone have any ideas they can offer about how I can raise my awareness during such experiences?
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I think your awareness is doing fine, perhaps if you thought about how to raise your awareness even more, you'd have to practice some specific methods. probably Bruce's. the 5th book he wrote, the guide, holds a lot of exercises for that.
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How do I go from feeling like I'm an observer, to feeling like I am in the know and can begin to lend a hand and interact with these stuck souls, the way Bruce wrote about in his books?
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from my opinion, the observer position is a benefit. and the observer is a part of the mind which is a recent development, for me.
observing, without having to become involved necessary give me a feeling of immeasurable freedom of choice.
On focus 27 is a retrieval school if you want to go there in your imagination, you can get much training while you are asleep at night.
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I wonder if there is a difference because this retrieval happened while I was asleep, i.e. in the dream states?  But no, I don't think so.  I remember my first retrieval happened in the middle of the afternoon while my kids were watching TV in the next room.
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My first retrieval I was asleep in the body, but awake in the mind. All the retrievals are different states of consciousness levels. during 911 I was aware I was awake, in the body, sitting on a chair, while my mind was stationed somewhere else. This was called phasing by Bruce.
Phasing is volitional, and you feel that you are a part of it all.
However, the sleep state retrievals are every bit as real feeling as the phase ones and just as profoundly effecting. 
With the phasing, it's necessary to set a firm intention. the intention is everything to begin it. however, with my first retrieval it was involuntary. that is where the mind awakens and it is aware it is somewhere, and it doesn't know how it got there, because the intention was unconsciously placed.
that's why phasing is desirable. it appears as an advanced form of astral projection.
However, I simply love popping up somewhere and wondering where I am, as I constantly feel I lose myself and then happily find myself right where I always was. I'm no help at all huh Vicki?
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I was certainly NOT physically asleep when that one happened, and yet I still had the feeling of merely watching and not doing much participating.  I still did not feel that the people involved could see or hear me.  
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I think, if I may offer my insight to the retrieval you made here, that you were supposed to just be observing, for this run, to learn some things. for instance, when I read about the pg black gal who was doing the retrieving, I knew you were observing a pro.
as you explained, she led the conversation, using an image of herself as pg, then talking about her father whom she was "estranged" from, this led the thoughts of the father into the direction of thinking about his family ties.
she really couldn't just say," hey, bubba, your two dead kids are waiting for you to go get them."

He wasn't ready to be thinking about his kids with upfront talk.
So she was showing Vicki, how to manipulate the thought area of the retrievee, how to get him sympathetic, how to get him to the love part, without him focusing on the sad details of losing his kids.
See, she's a pro, because she knows the kids didn't really die.
He doesn't know that yet.  :)

So you will assimilate these experiences, so you can become more involved on how to be subtle, and lead them into where you want them to go without arousing fear or mistrust in them.
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also Vicki, my first retrieval, I was observing also, my guide told me to get involved so I jumped in, yet he didn't see me at first. I was a ghost to him. this was discouraging for a new retriever, first time out. So I went back to the guide and told her, well, he doesn't see me, won't you show me how?
she said no. she wanted me to try again. so I couldn't get too close to him it seemed. by using emotion I thought over to the boy (he was injured to himself, but to me, he had already lost his physical life body) I had to pretend he was still alive, like he thought he was.

I thought over to him, what a mother would think. I said I believe in you, that we can get you out of this mess.
Look at me, see me. please stop running away. He focused in on me intently only if I sent PUL. then he could see me.
So I'd say Bruce is right on, when he talks about retrieving with PUL, and I didn't even know Bruce at the time.

So PUL is what gets you involved more with the scene, with active participation in it. he sometimes looked away from me, and I kept repeating my message and I pretended I was his mother. I love most kids anyway, it wasn't hard to do that part.
I'm sure Vicki has a lot of PUL, or I don't think she'd even be here.
I think we both learned a lot from Bruce's books.
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I remember toward the end of my very first retrieval, my thoughts actually did finally get through to one person, but again I had that point-of-consciousness feeling the entire time, and never felt physically part of their world.
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well, maybe you won't feel physically part of their world, I've only had one retrieval where I felt something solid to the touch, by using my hand to touch it; I always knew I was somewhere other than a physically based world.
The problem is, as I see it, we're trained to think in terms of a physical solid, touch it, see it, hear it, universe.
That's all that's real to us.
Monroe, btw, had the sense of touching, seeing things as solid and real. look how advanced he is though!

When you get to the place where you begin to question which world is more real, then you are making very good progress!  :)
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How do others experience their retrieval experiences I want to know?  This is probably why I write/share my experiences in such detail.  I'm always analyzing these kinds of things.
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you have a fine anyalyzer. we may be analyzing forever. couldn't think who I'd rather analyze with...I hope I said something you can use.
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I guess it boils down to that thing Bruce teaches about playing along in that person's reality.  You have to make yourself become seen and heard to them, otherwise they will not perceive you.  That's the next thing I need to learn how to do.
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yes, playing along. you hit the nail on the head. You can meet them wherever they are at by playing along.

I remember one retrieval didn't seem real at all, but one thing stood out; the guides who took him over, who took him from me, were playing along with his desire to find the motherlode. he was a gold miner in life who never found it.
they pretended they knew where it was. actually, they did know, but their ideas of the motherlode were quite different; still, it was a way to awaken him from a never-ending quest.
the guides always look filmy, like ghosts to me, I can make out the number, 2, 3, or 4 or more, but nothing that tells me, this is real, this is solid, and you're on the right track alysia. nothing like that.

confirmation comes in more subtle ways, and has to do with the heart chakra, if you feel good afterwards, for the sake of the other.
I think the mind and the heart have to work together in retrievals.

Bets, maybe we could start a music thread sometime in off topics?
I reminese when Blink and I did some spontaneous poetry. I had fun seeing myself in poetry as a flying pig dropping raspberry cake crumbs from the sky getting shot down by an unbeliever.... :-/
I'm keeping busy. started another book..it will be about love relationships.

Vicki, if you've read this far, lol, I meant to ask you to describe which thoughts you were able to project into the person? as you said there was some success for you there.

betson wrote on Feb 18^th, 2009 at 5:07pm:

Hey Alysia! Hi !  :) I do NOT flatter !  I do think though that some folks--many, actually -- need to be reminded of their good qualities, so I try to remind them. If they are worried or down on themselves, that is holding back their spiritual development. so reminding them of their good stuff is just an attempt to give them a boost,  some spiritual 'uppers'! I did  it first on retrievals to try to dislodge those stuck souls from their lower frequencies. It worked well there, so why not do the same for us incarnates who are still walking and trudging along the path ? :) -- Speaking of giving souls a boost, do you know what I was just thinking about missing? --  I miss the song lyrics that Kathy  and blink and you Alysia used to post. Love songs to us all that reminded us that PUL is all around, that it can be expressed in beautiful ways. I miss that. Bets

I tried to modify my comment about the flattery bit..but the modify is taken off after a few days..so will do it here. I've been accused of flattery here. and other things I won't go into.

it hurts. I won't want to do that to you.
I've been asking to see other lives! it's working!

I saw you and me involved in a love triangle, with a soul we both know who is here on this forum.

whatever the details are, I will share with you as soon as I get them!
this is exciting. we were in Atlantis together.
a very tumultous life time for both of us. this life, we will forgive and stop the karmic implications. :)

Thanks for your posts and analyses as usual Alysia.  They are always insightful.  I liked what you said about the helper in my retrieval, about how I could learn by observing her.  That is so true!  Wow, I never seem to notice the obvious until someone points it out to me.

Yes, that stuff about phasing is very true too.  Like you, I do enjoy the excitement of just popping into an experience unexpectedly, but I could learn a lot too about phasing.

About flattery...when I said it, I didn't mean it in a negative way.  I don't think that word has to be taken negatively at all.  What I really meant was, you guys make me blush.  I'm a Libra, so I do love getting complimented.

:)

You asked about what I said which made the person in my first retrieval hear me...that retrieval too involved a couple young kids (and I think it's the mother in me which attracts these experiences).  It was an experience where I kept losing my focus of attention on what I was doing and would come back to the blackness of my closed eyes.  

I'd remember what Bruce said about just putting myself back there by intending to do so, and I'd instantly be back, but each time I came back it was like some time had passed.  

Anyway, by the time I actually got these kids' attention, I had remembered to actually try to interact with them...so while they were waiting for their mom to pick them up, I thought in my mind something like, "I could take you somewhere nice to have fun", thinking my good intentions were a great idea.  

But the boy yelled at me, "No!  My mom is coming to get me!"  

When I say he yelled it, I mean I literally heard it as if with my physical ears.  It was shocking and jarring and it brought me right out of the experience once again.  

It was at that point I knew without a doubt that I really did have contact with whomever these kids were, in whatever reality they were in, and that this experience was real.  

His statement also made me realize that what I had suggested would be the kind of thing a kidnapper or child molester would say!  For crying out loud, I'd never do that to a physical child, try to lure them away without them even knowing me!!!  

I should have had more sense than that.  Good for that boy to stand up to me and yell at me!  

But at least I had gotten through, if only for a brief moment.  So I really need to learn the art of working my way into the other person's reality.  

::)

Ok, thanks for the talk.  Intention for that opportunity has now been set.  

Hi Vicky,

as to increase consciousness in a retrieval, I guess you meant to be an active player and not just an observer, and having full recall of a retrieval experience, well, you're familiar with Bruce's recipe for that. Maybe an additional thing might be helpful, it's a sort of planning. If you have the opportunity, choose a day one or two weeks ahead you know you have own time and state to yourself and to the rest of the universe that you will try to do a retrieval that day (Bruce maybe would formulate differently: That you WILL do a retrieval that day consciously. "Will" and not "will try" to put you into a state not of trying, but of accomplishing. But it's a matter of taste, as the single "will" might build up some pressure).  From the time of this statement on, you would make a mind-journey exercise every day.

This method, in my opinion, could serve two things: The one is, you establish a future pattern, so there could some alignments be done by helpers and by your own subconscious. The second is, to fix a certain day will make you keep up doing a little exercise every day, and this will make you furtherly familiar with the technique, and, important, reduce stress, so that you can be, like RAM said, "calm and serene" when you go being of service for a retrievee.

There's of course the possibility that you need some of those retrieval-observations for whatever reason before you easily and frequently can do retrievals "on your own" .

But maybe it's wrong what I wrote, as my first retrieval started when I asked for just having a look, only a look, please! at those FocusLevels beyond F21 :-) .

Spooky

Hi Spooky,

I agree with your technique.  I am a person who likes to be prepared ahead of time and plan as much as possible.  The idea of prepping for a couple weeks sits well with me.

I think the need for observation is true, but will probably only be needed as long as I allow it to go on.  If I'm truely ready to push forward for more challenging things, then it's up to me to prove that to myself.  

What I'd also like to accomplish, which being more "active" is required for this, is to do what Bruce emphasizes, and that is to ask to be given, shown, or told something that will prove to me that this experience is real.  What I'd like to be able to do is get the person's name or some other information that can be verified in some way.  

Although my level of awareness satisfies me that my experience is real, I still haven't yet accomplished gaining some verifiable physical-world evidence.  

While I don't need it to prove to myself that these nonphysical experiences are real I do, however, need it to open up my nonphysical perceptive abilities--as Bruce says, this is what happens when we break down our barriers.  

And so that's what I want.  I wanna go for the gusto, take all I can get!  As much as I appreciate the experiences I've had so far, I know there's a lot more out there to gain.  

Vicky

Hi,

I don't think Spooky is wrong. All he said sounded good/right/ apprpriate to me.

Vicky, you've had so very many spontaneous experiences with various aspect of the Afterlife !  As I recall from the peek  ;) I got into your book/life,  you didn't prepare for most of them and so are not in the habit of preparing or asking for even more such experience.

But in those cases usually you were dealing with personal aspects of the afterlife. (I haven't gone back to your manuscript to check on this though.  I'm just suggesting a general patttern.  :) )  As a retriever we're doing a service for others, so maybe we usually don't get put into that position unless we've asked for it by setting our intent.

I expect you'll be an excellent retriever whenever your priorities allow you the opportunity !  :)

Bets

Hi Bets,

Yep, I'm sure we either consciously or unconsciously ask and set intent for these experiences.  

I like that I had an OBE about "retrieving people who needed help in transition" before I even read Bruce's first book!  At the time, I didn't know what this meant, but knew this was supposed to be my job.  Then when I began reading Bruce's stuff, it all made sense.

I know of another person who had a very similar experience as mine before he read Bruce's stuff too.  

It seems like Bruce was nonphysically gathering us all up out there somehow!  And here we are!

So I figure I'm just here trying to get as much on-the-job training as I can.

:)

I work a bit like Spooky is to plan ahead, as part of the firm intention setting business, as many times I can set a rather wishy washy intention and of course wishy washy results I will get.

giving myself a few days, or weeks to get into the mood of exploring, or doing a PE, or whatever it is, builds up momentum energy for a positive experience. we're not able to force growth upon ourselves though.

you have clairaudience Vicki. I have that also upon rare occassions and it can be quite jarring, but is acceptable personally as evidence of these dimensions of conciousness as existing. the hearing is not especially something I want for the reason of my nervous system. it's like an intrusion from my perspective.

I too wanted the kind of proof you would like, or a name, a place, something really tangible, even though I knew the retrieval was real in that I knew I was out of body interacting with others to get a kid out of his predictament.

Many years later, I wanted my verification. I was doing the circle your energy from the feet up to the head and back around, then expanding this energy out into the top of the world, when a couple hours later when I went to bed, I fell on the bed so tired all of a sudden and my astral body stayed standing up.
then a guide zipped in and asked me where I wanted to go. I told her a retrieval. I wanted to do a retrieval, but I wanted it to be real, more real this time. I needed a name, location, all of that I could get.

In this retrieval I did get verification, in the way I received a name I'd never heard of. I even had to ask the retrievee to spell it for me.
I was so lucid, everything was clear, even logical. after the retrieval I spoke with guides who delivered the name of the town and state.

the verification consisted of there really was a town by the name I was given, and I didn't know that before either.
There was also a college in that town, and the girl retrieved had been in college. and I felt solidity of her body, for the first time in my retrieving experience.

all of these small details were verification of reality, yet while I was living through it, the verification details were not as important to get, as the retrievee is the most important priority, from or away from their suffering predictament.

all this is to say intention was set at the time before my physical body was asleep. I never fell asleep. I hit the bed like a ton of bricks and separated from my body instantly.

has never happened that way before and probably won't again, and my conclusion why it happened was directly due to working with the energy body in the energy circulation exercise on that day.

an experiment it was, as I do not like to do exercises. I was doing it because it felt like there was guides in the room prompting me to try it out. I started getting into it with their help.

it's really hard to stay in one spot and concentrate on these exercises. takes self disipline but well worth the effort, if everytime you did one, something extraordinary occurs.

I think the exercise did open me up more. getting proof is relative to the person involved.
whether it matches up with your belief system. It's a great feeling. never really leaves you.
:)

Hi Alysia,

Planning intention ahead is definitely needed, especially for the reasons you described.  For one, when I suddenly find myself out there, I am not as saavy as you that I could have answered a question!  Of course, I never have a guide pop right in to ask me anything either.  Or maybe they do and I'm oblivious.  But what usually tends to happen is that I am so shocked and dumbfounded I can't think on my feet of what I'd like to be doing at the moment.  The shock of finding myself out there usually just has me in utter awe.

I get easily distracted (and forgetful) I guess.  I practice on people, whether they know it or not.  Have practiced on you before with good results!  
Once tried to practice on Bruce, going OBE to visit him, and all I ended up with was walking out of my house through the garage and then finding myself standing on the driveway.  In the matter of seconds it took me to reach the driveway, I had completely forgotten what I was doing, where I was going, etc.  Didn't even remember I was out of body.  

Also, when it comes to finding yourself in the midst of another's presense, it really IS hard to think about yourself or other things.  It's like you are suddenly captivated by their energy presense and what is happening in their reality.  At least that's how it is for me.  And then I'm such a feeling person anyway, that feelings tend to take over leaving logic in the dust.  

But these aspects are what happens when I suddenly find myself out nonphysically.  What I will be consciously working on next is to do retretrieval exercises from an awake state, so that my normal thinking can be more useful to me--less awe to take over the controls hopefully.  

Although I know from past experience that I STILL get easily distracted.  That's just me.  Like Bruce says, those pesky associations to interpretations just keep going.  

Hi Alysia,
Planning intention ahead is definitely needed, especially for the reasons you described.  For one, when I suddenly find myself out there, I am not as saavy as you that I could have answered a question!
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me saavy? I don't think of myself that way, but thanks.
well dearie, I came straight here to talk to you, as I've just discovered in exercise in a Seth book, the nature of the Psyche one, that he is recommending an exercise, which I had done already, spontaneously back in the 80's when several, no, more than several paranormal incidents were happening.

I wanted to share, as the exercise worked. yet I think it takes more than just a few attempts to master the technique.
Truly, I did not think I had any such knowledge about techniques of the matters we speak of.

first I'll do Seth's words, then I'll explain how I did it and it is something I've decided to try again, as I think I could do it better this time; practice makes perfect!

Quote: some night as you fall to sleep, try telling yourself that you will pretend you are awake while you sleep. Suggest that instead of falling asleep you will come into another kind of wakefulness. Try to imagine that you are awake when you sleep.
He goes on to say the doing of the exercises is more important than the results.

When reading this today, I suddenly recalled that back in the 80's my sister died and I had a feeling she was attempting to call on me, and so all day I had the feeling. That night a part of me stayed awake in the mind while my body slept, I knew the body was asleep, but the mind was awake (focus 10) awaiting to see if my feeling was correct, that sis was going to contact me.

It seemed like hours went by in linear time and there was a tiny bit of resistence of keeping up this vigilance. it was like my mind was a giant searchlight..it began to seem like work.

however my waiting paid off. In the distance voices drew closer, two voices, my sister and her best friend who had gone to the other side previously to Joan. I was feeling good she had companionship over there. As they drew closer yet my sis and I engaged in a very brief conversation and there was some emotion going on rather heavy emotions on my part. her and I were working something out.
So, yea, it worked. stay awake even while you drift to sleep physically. I was tired in the morning a bit, but I think the tired feeling had to do with the heavy emotions, rather than the staying awake.
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 Of course, I never have a guide pop right in to ask me anything either.
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I only had two such situations of recognizing guides, and they are of the see-thru variety. I can see right through them.
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 Or maybe they do and I'm oblivious.
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I don't think you're oblivious, but we forget easy, we have to train ourselves to remember where we've been.
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 But what usually tends to happen is that I am so shocked and dumbfounded I can't think on my feet of what I'd like to be doing at the moment.  The shock of finding myself out there usually just has me in utter awe.
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I utterly enjoy the utter awe! the sense of majesty and spaciousness in the energy body is thrilling. you will get over being shocked, it's been explained to us, our memory or interpretor has no point of reference for life outside of the brain tissue area.
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I get easily distracted (and forgetful) I guess.  I practice on people, whether they know it or not.  Have practiced on you before with good results!  
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could you share with me the details of the good results? you know curiosity is one of my biggest assets and downfalls also..... :D
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Once tried to practice on Bruce, going OBE to visit him, and all I ended up with was walking out of my house through the garage and then finding myself standing on the driveway.
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at least you made it to the driveway! give yourself a C on the experiment and maybe next time you'll get an A!
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 In the matter of seconds it took me to reach the driveway, I had completely forgotten what I was doing, where I was going, etc.  Didn't even remember I was out of body.
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you lost consciousness. or blinked out. Monroe talks about focusing on his exits as well as return points to physical, and his first book, I think will contain a lot of examples of suddenly arriving home against his wishes. He worked on staying out longer once he was out there.
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Also, when it comes to finding yourself in the midst of another's presense, it really IS hard to think about yourself or other things.  It's like you are suddenly captivated by their energy presense and what is happening in their reality.  At least that's how it is for me.  And then I'm such a feeling person anyway, that feelings tend to take over leaving logic in the dust.  
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The feelings are really important, as sometimes that's all you have to work with. Feelings are communications, from the self, to the self.
also a feeling can contain much information to unravel. we can find core belief systems operating behind a feeling. Once we discover what we believe, we expand ourselves to include another way of looking at a situation, person, or ourself.
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But these aspects are what happens when I suddenly find myself out nonphysically.  What I will be consciously working on next is to do retretrieval exercises from an awake state, so that my normal thinking can be more useful to me--less awe to take over the controls hopefully.
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I'm sure many people are in the same boat. I think you're on the right track to look closer at the phasing method. Less awe will happen as soon as you can get your phasing, your first phasing done.
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Although I know from past experience that I STILL get easily distracted.  That's just me.  Like Bruce says, those pesky associations to interpretations just keep going.
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when you wrote your retrieval here, I didn't see much interpretation interfering with the way it flowed through it's sequence. It was an enjoyable read, meaning to me, you were just stating it as it happened, as you perceived it. I can see why you felt awe as you were using another sense, like the third eye, that in general, we seldom use.
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what I like to do is track down why I have these types of experiments. I trace it to a thought I had recently, that way I feel like if I know what I was thinking, I know why it happened and possibly can repeat the same thought.

sometimes these experiences, not all are retrievals, such as talking with my sister is not a retrieval. yet sometimes paranormal experiences, going out of body, are related to a deep curiosity operating, or a need to find some direction out of a nagging problem, for example. or if you're working on an invention, it's useful to get answers out there in quite a spontaneous manner.
Other times you can be worried about someone and suddenly you are there.
If we can find the trigger mechanism we can help ourselves to control the excursions and the sense of what is extraordinary, becomes ordinary. don't lose your sense of adventure. there's a kick start in that.
I've met Bruce a few times in the astral. involuntarily for the most part, meaning I had to search myself to see how it happened.

one time was sitting at his classroom table; it was a long table, all the attendees were leaving at the end of a session, or maybe it was break time. I was happy to find myself there and sort of giggling because he didn't see me looking at him.
suddenly he looked right at me with a funny look on his face as he'd thought everyone went home. I think the reason for this one to happen is because of the desire I wanted to attend a session but knew I never would, so the next best thing was to do the astral trip.


nice chatting with you Vicki. please let us know how you are advancing with different techniques; I so appreciate to read you.
love.... :)

Oh I always love to chat and share, but find I can be reluctant at times.  Bruce encouraged me to share this retrieval, so I did and it's been fun having all this attention and talk that came out of it.

Like you, I too try to find the triggers for things.  In fact, that's the case with me in just about all things paranormal.  

Nonphysical experiences I've had with you Alysia:  
1.  A few years ago when you and I were becoming friends on the board here, talking a lot on this site...I inadvertently tapped into you.  This is one of those things where I cannot identify the trigger!  

I heard The Voice tell me (just like a physical voice) "You have to take Voyages Into The Unknown to work, read the story of Curiosity, and do a synopsis of it on the Bruce's site".  I literally stopped dead in my tracks and couldn't believe what I'd heard.  I tried to resist and ignore it (as I usually do) but it reiterated.  So I grabbed the book, took it to work, read the story of Curiosity (and was thoroughly pleased that I did, because for some reason it just really sank in at that time and I got a lot out of it), came back home, dreaded sitting down to figure out how to write up a synopsis for Bruce's site and wondered why I'd need/want to do that in the first place...then I find out that you, Alysia, had ALREADY done the same thing that very morning while I was at work.  

Thanks by the way...I really did not want to have to write that synopsis.

2.  Once while trying to contact you nonphysically, be it by phasing or OBE, I found myself with complete amnesia sitting on my driveway playing patty-cake with you.  We were like 2 little girls giggling, playing, and having fun.  Or like sisters.  But on another level we were aware on a higher-self level of awareness and communicating through thought-energy means, probably comparing notes and whatnot.  

A tall, handsome, black man wearing a very nice suit walks up the driveway with one of those smiles that shows the higher self shining through, and it clicked with me that I was in a nonphysical experience and my memory came back of who I was in my physical life.  He very politely said to you, "Mind if I borrow Vicky for a while?" and I went with him.  Apparently to do some nonphysical work that I had probably set intention for?  But unfortunately I clicked out--don't remember any more after that.  Wish I did!  I wonder what we went to work on.

3.  Another time I tried to contact you without having a real plan in mind, I remained very awake and aware of my body and surroundings, but the most vivid and movie-like picture came into my mind's eye.  I was a point of consciousness and following a moving car.  I was not driving, just observing.  I could see the landscape in the foreground which made me think I was in Arizona or New Mexico.  It's a 2-lane highway.  I can see the cars in the other lane as they pass.  As I follow the car in front of me, I see it is a convertible and I see every detail of the car.  I see the steering wheel and radio--the radio looked like a replica of a 50's car radio although I knew it was a replica and knew that the car was a modern-day model.  

In this experience I remember wondering how long this would last and was amazed at how real everything looked.  I just kept watching, as if watching a movie, not sure what this was about or anything.  Probably lasted at least 3-4 minutes I'd say.  That was it.

And that's all I can remember off the top of my head.  I'd have to look in my old notes to find more.  
 
Vicky

Vicki said: following a moving car.  I was not driving, just observing.  I could see the landscape in the foreground which made me think I was in Arizona or New Mexico.  It's a 2-lane highway.  I can see the cars in the other lane as they pass.  As I follow the car in front of me, I see it is a convertible and I see every detail of the car.  I see the steering wheel and radio--the radio looked like a replica of a 50's car radio although I knew it was a replica and knew that the car was a modern-day model.
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the little girls playing I think is because we both are playful emotionally; every one of us has a child inside of us. adults seldom let the child out to play. I think we've mastered the technique of who gets to go outside and play and when.  :)  I remember the black man, who appears as a guide training you to my mind. could very well be we were operating on two levels, mental and emotional. there are some mental areas, higher up, they don't bring their emotions with them there, so the children occupied themselves.
Im from an old school of thought, we have 7 bodies to drive around in, and can use sometimes only one at a time for the corresponding levels, planes, focus points. we can have split consciousness for example, to be in two, three or more places at once.

for example, Bruce was explaining in the sessions he does, part of him is left with each person he goes to, and here's an image I have of that... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/spiritvideo/Alysia/myspace%20graphics/c3f03cec.jpg  in consciousness we use form to illustrate bodies of consciousness.
It somewhat gives an illustration of why we do retrievals on fragments of our own selves.


it seems you tapped into a part of my future move to arizona, in the convertible I now own. my first convertible. at the time of our first meeting each other here on the board I lived in NM.
the radio coud be related to music. I am into 50's music, or I should say my interest in music began with 50's music.

I say it was a future precog because I didn't get the convertible until around 2006. I drove it to and from san diego to arizona on a two lane highway some truckers told me was a better route! the car is a 97 BMW so I think that is considered modern? as opposed to say, uhmm, a 1947 Chevy? I do so try to keep up with what year it is!
things change so fast it seems.

the radio is normal. and the radio was reflecting my oldies but goodies mentality. maybe you were in focus 15, no time zone, remote viewing. good one Vicki.
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Now you've jogged my memory about that Curiosity story. I remember clearly the impact this vision of Bruce's had on me, as if a missing piece of my puzzle had been filled in, when I first read it.

I remember thinking no mention is being made of that vision, and we should be talking about it, as this thing called curiosity is a potent drive for the human race, right?
back when I had my first retrieval occur, it was curiosity which caused the obe, which set the intention. I determined there are levels of intensity of the thing called curiosity, which can translate to desire to know. desire is also a force that moves us.

So to have this sort of vision whereby a wave of humanity desires experience in the earth plane, and does so, is way beyond either evolution or adam and eve stories and is closer to the truth I believe of how we find ourselves living lives here.
So yes, I remember you told me how you tapped into me, and I also remember on my end, that I did desire that you write it, or that somebody else write it, not sure that I was specifically thinking about you that time, although I knew you wrote things well.
I might have had a passing thought I wanted you to read it though, or reread it.

what happens when you join someone else's energy field; all their thoughts and feelings are there, and we tend to merge fields sometimes, where we lose track of who is who for a second. This happened with the boy in the ally emotionally: I was yelled at for merging too much into the boy's emotional field as it wasn't helping him get unstuck.
you may have merged with my thoughts, that I was the one needing to write that article because I had a need to do it.
and also so you could notice your own sensitivity and resonance.
you seem to have a good grasp of what phasing is.

where you are just there. don't know how you got there, and inclined to blink out quickly because it's a bit of a surprise or shock.

once you accept you do have this ability I think you will find yourself more comfortable being out and about this way, and more memory will be retained.

thanks again..it's been really marvelous talking with you, and thanks Bruce, asking our mutual buddy to post her retrieval.

love to you guys, one and all! http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave.gif

Hi Vicky,

What a remarkable retrieval! And I loved all the detail you were able to bring to it. What recall. So many times I've returned to C1 with just the bare bones of many retrievals, but when I got around to putting it to paper, it's like Holy Cow--so much came flooding back. State Specific Memory (I think it's called), by a guy named Tart---one of the many techniques I learned from Bruce.

I look forward to reading more and thank you for this inspirational gem.


Much love,

Ginny

yes, state specific memory, I like that. I use that to recall dreams as I'm writing them down, more details flood in. then rereading later, more yet details....

Ginny wrote on Feb 27^th, 2009 at 10:52pm:

Hi Vicky, What a remarkable retrieval! And I loved all the detail you were able to bring to it. What recall. So many times I've returned to C1 with just the bare bones of many retrievals, but when I got around to putting it to paper, it's like Holy Cow--so much came flooding back. State Specific Memory (I think it's called), by a guy named Tart---one of the many techniques I learned from Bruce. I look forward to reading more and thank you for this inspirational gem. Much love, Ginny

Thanks Ginny.  It's so nice to get feedback and knowing something I've shared is inspirational.  I too get fascinated by the experiences that are so stunningly filled with detail and vividness.  They really stick with you!

ps--Hi Alysia!

:)

'ello dear http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave2.gif

Nice to see you back Gin.... ;)

Bro