Just wondering if anyone out there is interested in a PE exercise as we go out looking to connect in Osama bin Laden's hideout, as it might be a good exercise for remote viewing at the same time, and we could compare notes. What do you think?? Vee

Hi Vee,
This one in a little tricky. There are loads of conspiracy theories out there.
Most US intelligence agencies have come to the conclusion that OBL died from his injuries years ago. (Refer Internet Sources type OBL, OBL CONSPIRACY, OBL REMOTE VIEW, OBL PSYCHIC SPYING,OBL INTEL ETC ETC.)

You can be sure that the US agencies have tried to remote view OBL – as they did with Saddam Hussein.
In Saddam Hussein’s case they were successful. (Refer various Internet Sources type - valid keywords into a search engine)
In OBL’s case nothing has been released. The trail appears to have gone cold.

Please note that most European political leaders and many US public figures are protected by “anti remote viewing countermeasures” including psychotronic means of protection. (Refer various Internet Sources type -valid keywords into a search engine .)
IF OBL is alive it is safe to assume that some such measures are in place.

If the group is going to remote view OBL- in my opinion this should include people who have knowledge of such countermeasures.
     
Channy

Hi Channy. Wow, that was really informative, thank you. I guess I will, from time to time, practice my skills using OBL as a target on my own, just for practice. I will look up the interesting internet references you kindly offered too. I'd like to do another PE with a few people on this site, though, looking for ideas. We have flown to the Moon, caught falling stars, gone to the centre of the earth, what's left?? I once went to the planet where the Grays originate, and visited a family there briefly. It was extremely emotional for me. Maybe someone might want to try to go there? I don't know what they call their solar system, but my ability to "hold on" when I am in inner space is getting a little better, maybe this time I can do better.
Has a group on this site gone back in geologic time to an early stage of the earth's development? That might be fun. Vee

Hi Vee,

Re: Bin Laden --
Does it really matter if he's dead or alive?  We still go to the soul, don't we?  Although all my previous contacts have been from a Christian-based cultture and so might share areas  of the same Focus Level.--What's the ettiquette for walking in on a soul and its virgins?

Good luck.  I think I'll pass on this one.
Bets  :)

Interesting stuff Vee. When I was at TMI a guest came by and told us about some of the things he had been working on. Saddam that is, not OBL. Joe( his name) had said that he was involved in a project where he and others were looking for Saddam's kids and tracked them down using remote viewing. That once they had been tracked that it was their mission to go in and capture the son. They were working as "private contractors" to the US government. Joe had as required shared the info to whomever was in charge of their unit and was ordered to stand down. The US special forces went in instead and killed everyone instead of an attempt to capture. (I think it was at my Guidelines where he relayed the story. If so CarolAnne can confirm it). Point is that it is possible to track OBL if thats really what was wanted. But I wonder if the powers that be, really want him captured. With him on the run gives a great excuse to poor money into a big hole. Gives us a reason for being over there. To keep us living in fear and so, leaves us easy to control. I truly believe that if they wanted to find him they have the means to do so. Many countries have active remote viewing projects and units set up. I don't think they want to find him, or they already have.  

Wow, what a lot of ideas and information. I had no idea about all this. I loved Betson's observation about heaven and the virgins...hmm, never thought of that problem!! Well, it doesn't matter if it is Osama bL or something else...let's see...what else can we do? Any ideas? Vee

Osama would only be 52 years old (he looked much older, but born in 1957) and his body was in dier need of dyalisis for his kidneys. When I went to the Guidelines Program at TMI,with Joe, aka Hawkeye, Joe Magonigal was a guest speeker who did remote viewing for the US Government for years and later married one of Robert Monroe's daughters. So Joe's statement was correct. When pressed for any informaiton on Osama, all he would say is that the US KNEW the exact location of Osama and had their reasons for not revealing wether he was dead or alive. Magonigal has a huge grin on his face when he spoke of this.

On my way home about a week later, I sent out the question as to wether Obama was alive or deceased. I also asked for a sign--- I wanted something difficult. So, I said, "If Obama is dead, I will see a complete halo in the sky".  About a week went by then I saw a complete halo in the clouds. A circular band of clouds with the middle of it blanked out.  That was good enough for me.
cat ;)

Hmmm, I wonder who did the "find" for them?

If I may add my tuppence worth, I'd definitely say one should keep well away from all subjects political&  conspiratorial etc for the excellent reasons already cited by several other people here; also, Robert Bruce on his site advises extreme caution; best to mind one's own business in the astral unless one is very powerful, I think . . . .  

We are far more powerful than some would like you to believe or understand. Its when you allow others to control your thinking that you run into trouble.

Well said, Hawkeye, thanks for that reminder. Vee

hawkeye wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 1:12pm:

We are far more powerful than some would like you to believe or understand. Its when you allow others to control your thinking that you run into trouble.

This is true, but caution still never hurts, believe me.

Identcat, you said Obama, not Osama...last part of paragraph...uh oh... I think Obama is alive... lol

Please note that most European political leaders and many US public figures are protected by “anti remote viewing countermeasures” including psychotronic means of protection. (Refer various Internet Sources type -valid keywords into a search engine .)
IF OBL is alive it is safe to assume that some such measures are in place.

I'd like to come back on the point of countermeasures once I've had time to gain more experience. I just don't believe such countermeasures are possible.

Asking higher self or checking Akashic Records would be viable techniques to see through this.

[quote author=3F2D222D38232B29224C0 link=1233980415/13#13 date=1287049177]Please note that most European political leaders and many US public figures are protected by “anti remote viewing countermeasures” including psychotronic means of protection. (Refer various Internet Sources type -valid keywords into a search engine .)
IF OBL is alive it is safe to assume that some such measures are in place.



This statement is someones ego at large. There is no way for anyone to place such protective shields around themselves in the astral.

For one their higher self would override any thoughts attached to this, the higher self want it charges to grow and expand and this is just plan nonsense.

balance wrote on Nov 10^th, 2010 at 9:55pm:

[quote author=3F2D222D38232B29224C0 link=1233980415/13#13 date=1287049177]Please note that most European political leaders and many US public figures are protected by “anti remote viewing countermeasures” including psychotronic means of protection. (Refer various Internet Sources type -valid keywords into a search engine .) IF OBL is alive it is safe to assume that some such measures are in place. This statement is someones ego at large. There is no way for anyone to place such protective shields around themselves in the astral. For one their higher self would override any thoughts attached to this, the higher self want it charges to grow and expand and this is just plan nonsense.

  I stand somewhat in the middle of both these extremes. 

  It is well known among TMI connected people that Bob Monroe ran into some psychic body guards, quite accidentally (so it appeared to him at the time), when he was OBE'ing near where the President of the time was near.  It certainly quickly turned Bob-the curious as a cat, away at the time.

  Some time ago, i started a group PE here focused on sending love to those who really make the important material decisions in this world--especially in connection for neither the U.S. or Israel to attack Iran or other countries in the near future and my rather psychically sensitive wife who was partaking in this group PE, got the definite feeling and sense that her efforts at sharing love (& influencing them in a non intrusive way) with these folks was being blocked before hand, and not by Guidance.

   Now, do i believe there are ways around these, of course there are.  Now, the question is, could the average person easily get around such "shielding"?... i don't fully know as i don't have much experience with this.

Could someone like "HeShe" of Bob's 3rd book find out anything they wanted to know about anyone (with impunity), or any Being anywhere for that matter?  Of course.

  Perhaps related somewhat: my wife and i have been visited by what appeared to us as very large nonphysical "spiders" and we saw these clear as day while conscious (a rare occurrence for either of us), and i got the definite feeling that i was being spied on in some way, and the possibility occurred to me that these were not "spiders" at all, but that this was a cloaking form projection to hide what who or what it really was.

  Now, one doesn't even have to put up too much shielding in order to deter people from prying too deep, as the huge majority people have some fear in connection with their physical body safety and comfort (think death, imprisonment, and/or torture).  All you have to do, is to let a person know you can find out about them and find them physically in some psychic way, and if the person is aware of the spying and is aware enough to know what kind of people are doing it....

It would be enough to scare away most people from further prying, because smart people realize that it's not that hard for someone to disappear.   

  I'm neither that smart  ;) or that fearful, and so i talk about things that certain people or groups don't want me to talk about, and both my wife and i have gotten guidance messages that we are being kept tabs on by non friendlies (human and nonhuman) BUT also that we are being protected by Guidance levels and beings.

  So, i think it is a more complex and relative subject than some give it credit.  Again, i stand more in the middle on this subject based on a combo of some experience, intuition, and logic.