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Message started by betson on Nov 22nd, 2008 at 10:06pm

Title: When death calls your name
Post by betson on Nov 22nd, 2008 at 10:06pm
Greetings,

When I read Bruce's blog of November 22, I was struck by the similarities and also the absolutely opposite contrasts with a death I had just experienced Nov 11. Without resorting to superstition, I wondered that both were Mikes, both included people (usually the one passing over) whose last names began with a hard C (K) sound-- Cauley, for example; both involved hospice.

I wondered when death calls your name, if similiar names/people are being called too. So I googled obits for November involving Michaels. Of the first 70 listings, all but two Michaels who had passed over had names beginning with a K or hard C--Kinsey, Carter, Carr, Cawley, or a few Mikes with an M last name, which made me wonder if their middle names began with K or C. The obits didn't say if hospice was involved in these.

Truth is many-layered, just like when we try to interpret OB encounters and encounters in dreams. Also, there are respected religions whose spiritual traditions involved the importance of names and numbers.

Don't bother to argue against this -- I'm just pointing out a glimpsed possibility that names have something to do with fate.
Perhaps what I'm most  amazed at is the research possiblities that web search engines provide.

To test the coincidences, I did look up obits for names similiar to my own. There weren't any,   :)  but that's OK, because I didn't die either  :D  ;D

Bets

Title: Re: When death calls your name
Post by vajra on Nov 23rd, 2008 at 10:05am
That's an interesting one Bets, and something not to be ruled out at all. Maybe you will go on to develop a science of 'nomenclature'.  :)

As you say reality seems to hang together in an almost infinite number of levels and ways - the holographic model that Alysia and others often refer to.

This is perhaps the bit popular perception misses so often. We find something physical like genetics, or evolution that allows us to predict and manipulate certain things, but ego and predisposition drive the urge to position 'our system' as being the 'only' basis by which things happen. Our whole system of physical science based on linear 'logic' and third party 'independent' observation for example.

I don't know much about numerology, but the book that made me certain there is something to it was 'The Life You Were Born to Live' by Dan Millman.

He sets out a system somebody else gave to him that uses birth dates to predict our personality attributes, and hence the life lessons and life path we face.

As he says himself it's unclear how the manipulation of a birth date from something so seemingly arbitrary as the Gregorian calendar could ever provide insight into anything. But I've been blown away at how effective it is at profiling the major characteristics not only of myself, but also of the people I know. (it's actually a very useful tool for self enquiry)

There is of course the likelihood that it's all a matter of mind - that what we're doing when using a tool like this is extracting just one perception from the hologram from among the infinite possibilities  - the one that somehow fits with our perceptions of the person.

This it's said for example is the way we create the perception of the dream that is the entire reality within which we exist, and how we relate to it - it's arguably only the one we've got hung up on drawn from an infinity of possibilities...

Title: Re: When death calls your name
Post by betson on Nov 23rd, 2008 at 10:23am
Vajra said that possibly  "...what we're doing when using a tool like this is extracting just one perception from the hologram from among the infinite possibilities  - the one that somehow fits with our perceptions of the person."

Agreed   :)
And so I don't make a big thing of this in my mind.

Still...
...a pattern doesn't have to be a simple repeat of the exact same thing (like stripes) to be a pattern. And patterns do generally have meaning.  
I enjoy discovering possibilities and then seeking explanations. thanks for adding your comments, vajra.

Bets

Title: Re: When death calls your name
Post by vajra on Nov 23rd, 2008 at 10:45am
For sure Bets. It's also the case that even if at some level we know it may  all be  a matter of mind and selective perception we still perceive and live in what feels like a pretty damn 'real' reality....

Title: Re: When death calls your name
Post by Justin aka asltaomr on Nov 24th, 2008 at 1:30pm

wrote on Nov 23rd, 2008 at 10:05am:
That's an interesting one Bets, and something not to be ruled out at all. Maybe you will go on to develop a science of 'nomenclature'.  :)

As you say reality seems to hang together in an almost infinite number of levels and ways - the holographic model that Alysia and others often refer to.

This is perhaps the bit popular perception misses so often. We find something physical like genetics, or evolution that allows us to predict and manipulate certain things, but ego and predisposition drive the urge to position 'our system' as being the 'only' basis by which things happen. Our whole system of physical science based on linear 'logic' and third party 'independent' observation for example.

I don't know much about numerology, but the book that made me certain there is something to it was 'The Life You Were Born to Live' by Dan Millman.

He sets out a system somebody else gave to him that uses birth dates to predict our personality attributes, and hence the life lessons and life path we face.

As he says himself it's unclear how the manipulation of a birth date from something so seemingly arbitrary as the Gregorian calendar could ever provide insight into anything. But I've been blown away at how effective it is at profiling the major characteristics not only of myself, but also of the people I know. (it's actually a very useful tool for self enquiry)

There is of course the likelihood that it's all a matter of mind - that what we're doing when using a tool like this is extracting just one perception from the hologram from among the infinite possibilities  - the one that somehow fits with our perceptions of the person.

This it's said for example is the way we create the perception of the dream that is the entire reality within which we exist, and how we relate to it - it's arguably only the one we've got hung up on drawn from an infinity of possibilities...


 Yup, and its the same with astrology or any other kind of divination tool.   These are just indications of the Quantum field of probabilities, tendencies, of past choices and the causes that result from same.  

None of them though, ever read the possibilities of freewill unless it happens to correspond already to the probability factors.  For example, a spiritually oriented person will tend to choose spiritually and will tend to overcome challenges.

 For me though, i've found that astrology and numerology to be the most clear and easily deciphered symbols of divination to use, especially when taken in a combo.  

 Numerology is an interesting subject, and the first time i broke down my birth data and name into numerology factors, I was surprised by the many repeating patterns of specific numbers.  

 3's and 9's especially, and to a lesser degree 8's and 7's, repeat a lot--so much so that it was kind of freaky at first.  

  Unfortunately, too many folks out there seem to believe that astrology, or numerology somehow actually "cause" stuff, when its only that they only ever indicate the probable flows and patterns.  They are as maps, and not the terrain itself.  

Title: Re: When death calls your name
Post by Lucy on Nov 24th, 2008 at 2:00pm
Hi Bets

What happened to free will? I think we just notice things when they just happened. I don't think there is anything causative there.

Still it gave me great pause to read the first story Bruce posted on his blog site, on Friday. Several days before, someone in this area had been killed in what was described as a fiery crash. Of course, you wonder what went wrong in a situation like that, and I was touched by Bruce's experiencing being in the car to find out what happened.  Yeah, that was really interesting.

I imagine more folks die in fiery crashes every day than I would like to know about. What was interesting was in knowing about and reacting to the crash here where I live, and then finding Bruce's post shortly after it went up. More like it was answering a question for me.

And I still have not developed enough to do what Bruce did. If anyone else wants to check on this person here, I will give you the name.

Title: Re: When death calls your name
Post by betson on Nov 24th, 2008 at 2:16pm
Hi Lucy,

Regarding free will, I personally have decided that it's a matter of degree. 100% free will for everyone could get chaotic!   :)

You remind me of another question too---
can we respond to Bruce's blogs on this site, and if so is one forum more appropriate than another for tha?
Or does 'blog' mean that it's a statement that doesn't seek discussion?

Betson

Title: Re: When death calls your name
Post by Justin aka asltaomr on Nov 25th, 2008 at 1:38am
Bets wrote,  When death calls your name


 I'm working on avoiding that call, and don't plan on answering either way.   :P  ;)

 Course, that would mean i would have to drag my lazy and inconsistent arse back into bed at least twice a day for regular, consistent meditation, among other things that would be very helpful in this whole endeavor of finding out how truly unlimited we humans really are.  

 Alright, maybe if i play the Rocky theme song it will help..?  :D

 I can hear it calling me Home right now, "eye of the tiger, you're feeling so strong..."

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