The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived

“He was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant woman.  

He grew up in another village, where He worked in a carpenter shop until He was thirty.

Then for three years He was an itinerant preacher.  

He never wrote a book.  

He never held an office.  

He never had a family or a home.  

He didn’t go to college.  

He never visited a big city.  

He never travelled two hundred miles from the place where He was born.  

He did none of the things that usually accompany greatness.  

He had no credentials but Himself.  

He was only thirty-three when the tide of public opinion turned against Him.  

His friends ran away.  

One of them denied Him.  

He was turned over to His enemies and went through the mockery of a trial.  

He was nailed to a cross between two thieves.  

While He was dying, His executioners gambled for His garments, the only property He had on earth.  

When He was dead, He was laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend.

Nineteen centuries have come and gone, and today He is the central figure of the human race.  

All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man on this earth as much as that One Solitary Life.”

Alan:

You know I have a big place in my heart for Christ, but I bet you he doesn't think of himself as the greatest man who ever lived. His vision is too universal to think in such terms.

I figure he's more interested in everybody finding out about the love he found out about.

Recoverer,


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You know I have a big place in my heart for Christ, but I bet you he doesn't think of himself as the greatest man who ever lived. His vision is too universal to think in such terms.

You are right of course he is /was not a man but the Sublime Incarnation of God  (not the incarnation of some other exalted master).

In all of human history he was unique in perfection and love especially altruistic love

Alan

Alan:

I don't know if he was God incarnate in the way you mean. I know the Gospel of John states this, but is the Gospel of John completely accurate?

If God himself found it necessary to incarnate on this planet, how many other planets in an infinite universe would he have to do the same? Would it be fair to expect God to have incarnate perhaps a very large number of times? Would it be necessary? Isn't it possible for a soul that incarnates into a body to make contact with divine truth to an extent, where it wouldn't be necessary for God himself to incarnate into this World? If this isn't possible, then what are we progressing towards?

Perhaps Jesus obtained oneness with the Godhead, and any soul that is a part of the Godhead is qualified to represent it.

I figure that even though the spirit of Jesus is now a part of the Godhead, his spirit still exists in its own unique way. This is a gift just about all of us want. To be a part of the oneness and be a unique soul at the same time. If what you suggest is true, the spirit of Jesus came to an end when it went back to being God. The same would be true for any of God's other incarnations. I want my dear brother Jesus to have the gift of life, just as I have the gift of life. Sometimes two heads are better than one. ;)  

One other comment.

Sometimes people try to make other beings seem holy in an unnecessary way.  Whenever God's love runs through a soul, that soul automatically becomes holy.  You can't trump love.

Recoverer,


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If God himself found it necessary to incarnate on this planet, how many other planets in an infinite universe would he have to do the same? Would it be fair to expect God to have incarnate perhaps a very large number of times? Would it be necessary? Isn't it possible for a soul that incarnates into a body to make contact with divine truth to an extent, where it wouldn't be necessary for God himself to incarnate into this World? If this isn't possible, then what are we progressing towards?

Yes I am sure it is possible for a soul to make contact with the Divine truth, but not to the extent that Jesus did. After all he was a teacher to ll humanity for all time.

I am sure you know God is not limited and is absolute and infinite. So it would pose no problem at all for him to incarnate on any planet in our finite universe, even at the same time as God exists outside of time and space

The universe is not infinite and had a beginning and it will and must end due to the process of cause and affect or entropy. Energy just continues to dissipate into the unimaginably vast cold vacuum of space until is reaches absolute zero

Maybe I used the wrong adjective for Jesus I think I should have said the most perfect being or perhaps the most wonderful loving person who ever walked the dusty roads of earth.

While he was an incarnation of God, I think he did not have all the infinite unlimited power of his higher self, while this aspect of his being walked the earth

The main thing that Jesus revealed to us about God was the loving character of God in that he mirrored the mind of God

Alan

Imagine this scenario.  You are born into this World as Jesus was.  You go through what he went through in order to obtain the level of understanding he obtained. You go through the pain of being crucified. You return to the spirit World and are told you aren't a soul like everybody else, so it is time for your existence to be brought to an end unlike everybody else's existence. Would God really work things out in such a way? Would this scenario be repeated on numerous planets?

There are many times within the gospels where Jesus refers to God as father, or Jesus is referred to as son. This suggests he is a child of God like the rest of us.  Doesn't it make sense that a person who plays the role of example, has something in common with us?

When it comes to what "some" of the words in the gospel of John say, is it clearly understood what translation issues led to? When the gospel was written people tended to think of God as an old man in the sky rather than a being of infinite extent. Therefore, they might've concluded that the totality of God could appear in the form of a man.  Even if Jesus did say that he is the son of man, perhaps what this meant to him is different than what it meant to other people. Perhaps he understood that we are all parts of God and can have access to the love and wisdom of God if we allow ourselves to do so. When we live according to our true nature we live according to our God like nature.

Many people have had NDEs where they experienced Jesus as one being and God as another being.

If we allow love to be our guide when we try to figure out who Jesus is rather than fear, we find that we can find out about his glory without having to believe things about him that aren't accurate.

Recoverer,



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Even if Jesus did say that he is the son of man, perhaps what this meant to him is different than what it meant to other people. Perhaps he understood that we are all parts of God and can have access to the love and wisdom of God if we allow ourselves to do so. When we live according to our true nature we live according to our God like nature. Many people have had NDEs where they experienced Jesus as one being and God as another being.

Jesus in my humble view contained much much more of the essence of God than any other person on earth. He of course was a part of God and you are correct that he called his higher self father. We are more than one being ourselves , we are separate creations of God but at the same time, drops of water in the great ocean we call God. Thus we are what we are but we are also strangly God or evolving to become one with God.

We lkewise are aspects or parts of God but to a much much lesser extent. He had gone before us and could navigate the road to God for us

 Hi Alan,

 I have a lot of respect and love for the guy you are now talking about, but I agree with R that it's perhap limiting to put him on such a pedestal.  I say that knowing that sometimes I do that too much myself.  

 He was/is an interesting, and yes in many ways unique incarnation, but not special or above us.  

  I happen to believe that his "I-there", "Over soul", "Disk", "Monad", or whatever you call it, happens to be the Creator of this Universe...but we too will eventually become Co-Creators of other Universes (and perhaps parts of us are already involved in that... )

There are plenty others already.  What's unique about Christ was the speed in which he remerged with God, the steadfastness in his various physical lives and other experiences, and the particular sacrifices he has made for Earth, and the first to separate and return (some never separated to begin with)...

 I guess what I"m saying is that ultimately all are equal within God, and all have the same potential as Christ.

 But i do believe I understand where you are coming from..  The sentiment is echoed in two very Universal sources that I particularly like, the Cayce readings and Rosiland McKnight's work with Bob Monroe and her guidance.  

Both sources seem to say that Christ, as and through the personality Yeshua, was the fastest vibratory, and most purely love filled person to ever walk this Earth (at least during these collectively slower vibrating cycles).  Both place a lot of emphasis on him as being a "leader", main director of spiritual growth, or Master amongst Masters...and if His Disc is the actual Co Creator of this Universe, then yes it makes sense for He knows every Soul within His Creation extremely intimately, for they are OF Him.  

 And yet we have the same potential, and can be what He is now.  

 

Justin,


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And yet we have the same potential, and can be what He is now.

I agree Jesus said himself to his deciples "Dont you know you are "gods"  But note! "gods" not "God Almighty".

And yes he has reached the end goal of potential and we still strive towards it.

Maybe that potential is to be ready to die like he did for a loved one or in place of a beloved friend

Alan

wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 5:47pm:

Hi Alan,  I have a lot of respect and love for the guy you are now talking about, but I agree with R that it's perhap limiting to put him on such a pedestal.  I say that knowing that sometimes I do that too much myself.    He was/is an interesting, and yes in many ways unique incarnation, but not special or above us.     I happen to believe that his "I-there", "Over soul", "Disk", "Monad", or whatever you call it, happens to be the Creator of this Universe...but we too will eventually become Co-Creators of other Universes (and perhaps parts of us are already involved in that... ) There are plenty others already.  What's unique about Christ was the speed in which he remerged with God, the steadfastness in his various physical lives and other experiences, and the particular sacrifices he has made for Earth, and the first to separate and return (some never separated to begin with)...  I guess what I"m saying is that ultimately all are equal within God, and all have the same potential as Christ.  But i do believe I understand where you are coming from..  The sentiment is echoed in two very Universal sources that I particularly like, the Cayce readings and Rosiland McKnight's work with Bob Monroe and her guidance.   Both sources seem to say that Christ, as and through the personality Yeshua, was the fastest vibratory, and most purely love filled person to ever walk this Earth (at least during these collectively slower vibrating cycles).  Both place a lot of emphasis on him as being a "leader", main director of spiritual growth, or Master amongst Masters...and if His Disc is the actual Co Creator of this Universe, then yes it makes sense for He knows every Soul within His Creation extremely intimately, for they are OF Him.    And yet we have the same potential, and can be what He is now.

To me Jesus is just one of many illuminated masters/mistresses (lets not forget the feminine here) who have trod this Earth over untold millenia If you listen carefully their message is the same.Unfortunately the early christian religion was hijacked and turned into a political system of power,suppression and brutality,lets not forget the horrors of the inquisition.His true message was distorted beyond belief.Christ must have been talking about the Divine Spark that inhabits all humans.That spark has no need of human style personality.I guess Jesus was trying to help his small band of followers to realize they were much more than their ego everyday self.IT would have been a hard job given the cultural paradigm of the day.Particularly the jealous possesive god of the Jews.When christians in their thousands as do all other religions pray fervently to "God" they are sadly unwittingly separating themselves from the divine over and over.Put "god" outside of yourself and then pray to him/her.There is no "gaseous vertebrate" that will answer and pat you on the back for being "a good boy".You may get a response from more enlightened beings who have moved on from this plane but it won't be "god".You are That.
Love Devayan.

Who was this man?

He was the one who kept a woman such as this from being stoned to death.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/africa/05somalia.html

Alan McDougall wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 10:09pm:

Jesus was not just some guy , he was the most wonderful profound loving person ever to walk the earth. "Never a man did the things he did never a man said the things he did" Mahatma Gandi said he would have become a Christian if it were not for those that professed thenselves to be Christians Blink you are so right Islamic brutality at its worst. Sorry to shock http://chromatism.net/current/images/stoning.jpg

Early so called christians did equally or worse...All humans have that bestial ability when separated from the Divine.All religions have been capable of that evil....And still do.Christs message was so simple and yet so hard to live..."Love one another"Even animals follow that to a better degree than humans at times.Animals care more about their survival as a species than we humans do at times..We need to move back to the "Natural State of Man"It was always there never lost but hidden by cultural dysfunctional Concepts.The Movie the "Matrix" gives us an idea of where humans have lost themselves.
LOve Devayan.

The amazing thing was that he did it with just a few words. And then it was over. Everyone was encouraged to let it go. And they did.

Blink,

You are in accord with me; we can’t blame Jesus for the depravity of those who lied when they professed to be his followers or Christians. Which they were not by their actions that conflicted in the absolute from the words of this most beautiful wonderful. most special and precious person ever to walk on our world

I will repost the last quote of my thread for those who seem to not be able to read before they comment

Twenty centuries have come and gone, and today He is the central figure of the human race.  

All the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man on this earth as much as that One Solitary Life.”


Yes Jesus is the most special unique person  in all of human history and will they others please take the time to read what I posted in starting this thread before jumping in with bleak negative comments

The bible in Isaiah states this about him. Unto us a child is born unto us a Son is given and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God and Prince of Peace. “To whom other can we commit such words” (my comment)

To say Jesus is just some “guy” smacks of disrespect for this wonderful man, this would not even be said about our earthly leaders how can Justin say this, beats me!

All the other so -called masters pale into insignicance when compared to this soul of total perfection

C. S Lewis the great writer and theologian said this about Jesus

Jesus was either who he said he was (the only begotten son of God) or he was the most colossal profound liar in all of human history or a madman or even something worse.

But how can we equate the life and words of love, peace kindness and joy with that of a liar.

Love

Alan

Was it Bob, Fred, Pete? Hmm. The only person who I see as getting the question was Devayan. Who did all these things? Just a man.

good point, Hawk....

but is anyone 'just' a man?

'just' a woman?

we are all ordinary until we do something extraordinary

like becoming human.

it is the sort of question that makes me wonder, what does it mean to be human?

is there such a thing as being 'just' alive? maybe.

but maybe being human is something else.

is it conceit which makes this distinction?

or something else? now you have made me question my entire existence.

uhmmm, thanks for that.....someone had to do it.

Was this Jesus better than Buddha, or Krishna, or any of the other number of men who saw themselves as one with God. In fact didn't Jim Jones think he was connected with God. Or Son of Sam. Why he said he spoke to God. There was a lady who drowned her two kids in a tub a few years back. She spoke to God, or so she said. I don't believe it was anything to do with the man (Jesus) at all. Its all about the spirit and the love of God. People saying they spoke to God are as numerious as the stars. The Bible is just one of many story books.  It has nothing to do with God. Its no better, nor worse than the Koran, or any of the other books. And the thought that only Jesus is "the central figure" or that "only he has effected man the most" is just not correct. That, in my opinion is Christian Fundamentalist crap. He, is only one of many. Believe in anything you need to. If that is Jesus and a Christian doctrine, then that's great. But there is more than just Christianity. Much more. Open your heart to the possability of more and you might just find God closer to you than ever before..I don't need a Jesus to have God in my life.
Joe
Blink, Let me tell you, God is a woman in my house. ;)        

Hawkeye:

Just because you don't like one extreme this doesn't mean you need to select another extreme. Both extremes don't understand who Jesus is. Associating Jesus with Jim Jones is a bit much.

Try to say hello to Jesus, and see what you find out. :)

I am not sure I understand what you mean Recoverer..Jim Jones has just as much right to be associated with Jesus as anyone. As does anyone else. Should you or I sit in judgement of him? Think of the many who have associated themselves with Jesus and with God and have really been all about evil. Jim Jone may well be among the evil ones. But I am not the one to judge him. He will do that himself. Nor will Jesus or God. But was he any more evil than the mothers that helped kill their own babies at his command? They may have believed they were doing so for God. Isn't saying that Jesus was the only saviour, and the only way to God, extremest also? My point was that these people said that they spoke with God. Just like Jesus said that he spoke with God. Or Moses said he spoke with God. What makes some words truth and the other false? Alan posts that "he is the central figure of the human race" and that no one else has " affected the life of man on this earth as much as that One Solitary Life". I disagree. Is Mohammed less than Jesus? Is Buddha? Krishna?  I don't think so. Its only my opinion. These people made just as much impact as Jesus upon the people of the earth. Do you believe that Jesus would say he was "more" than any of them?    

Hawkeye:

It is quite clear that Jim Jones was a cult leader who in the end had a bunch of people commit suicide.

Regarding Jesus, as I've stated in the past, I've had experiences which showed that he is a being who plays a key role in divine afairs, and he wasn't just another cult leader pretending to be something he wasn't. Perhaps you should find this out for yourself in a manner that goes beyond your intellect and its biased limitations, before you make such bold and unknowing statements about Jesus. It's one thing to have an opinion, and quite another thing to have spiritual experiences with the spirit of Christ.

It's a fact of life that many cult leaders have and continue to exist. To not acknowledge this is to stick one's head in the sand with the thought that one is being more tolerant than usual.  Being loving doesn't mean that you can't allow yourself to see when somebody is doing something negative. If you don't allow yourself to see that they are doing so, how can you get to the point where you try to help them? What if such a person asks you some day why you didn't try to help he or she when he or she got lost for a while. Would you tell this person that you didn't want to be judgmental?

I don't believe in the you better believe or else approach, but a day will come for each of us where we will realize that Jesus was a special man and is a wonderful light being today. It is one thing to claim that one has reached a certain level of development, and quite another thing to do so. Many have done the former, few have done the later.

If one reaches the state Jesus reached, one doesn't do so simply for one's self. One does so because one loves this World and the light so much, one lets go self serving entanglements that people don't tend to let go of while in this World.  

The more I've opened up to that which is divine, the more I've wanted to become a part of what Jesus is about, rather than find a way to dissociate myself from him.

I exclude Blink, Recoverer and Judithia from the comment below, their Reponses are always sensible

GOOD GRIEF OH!! Man!! The frustration in have to read such silly comments and comparisons to this Divine Altruist person.

Are some of you unable to read? As for me I will not respond to abject nonsense

It hurts my eyes; Blink and Recoverer make sensible comments

Peace will not come until the Prince of Peace rules

IF YOU COULD SEE WHERE I HAVE GONE
If you could see where I have gone, the beauty of this
place
And how if feels to know that you are home to see the
Savior's face.
To wake in peace and know no fear, just joy beyond compare,
While still on earth you miss me yet, you wouldn't want
me there
If you could see where I have gone.

If you could see where I have gone, had made the trip with
me,
You'd know I didn't go alone, the Savior came with
me,
When I awoke, He was by my side, and reached down His hand.
Said, "Hurry, you're going home to a grand and
glorious land."
Don't worry over those you love, for I'm not just
with you,
And don't you know with you at home, they'll long
to be here, too?"

If you could see where I have gone, and see what I've
been shown.
You'd never know another fear, or ever feel alone.
You'd marvel at the care of God, his hand of every
life,
And realize He really cares, and bears with us each strife,
And that he weeps when one is lost, his heart is filled
with pain.
But Oh! the joy! when one comes home, a child at home
again.

If you could see where I have gone, could stay awhile with
me
Could share the things that God has made to grace eternity.
But, no you couldn't ever leave, once heaven's joy
you'd known,
You couldn't bear to walk earth's paths once heaven
was your home.
If you could see where I have gone.

If you could see where I have gone, you'd know
we'll meet someday.
And though I'm parted from you now, I am just away.
And now that I'm home with Him, secure in every way,
I'm waiting here at heaven's door to greet you some
sweet day.

(Author Unknown)

Hawkeye,

Yes I can sit in judgment of a depraved egotistical madman like Jim Jones. He was directly responsible and by proxy murdered nearly a thousand innocent souls.

To equate this egotistical beast with a beautiful soul like Jesus makes me sick on the stomach.

It is an insult to any thinking person, so think again before posting.......?

Alan, why the urgency? Each of us has all the time in the world, why worry?

It's funny, but if I was 'out' there in the 'astral' (I don't know these terms), and if I was wondering where to find the one who was known as Jesus here on earth, I think I'd hear your shout all the way to the next universe.

Love on 'ya.      blink

Hi Blink,


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Alan, why the urgency? Each of us has all the time in the world, why worry? It's funny, but if I was 'out' there in the 'astral' (I don't know these terms), and if I was wondering where to find the one who was known as Jesus here on earth, I think I'd hear your shout all the way to the next universe.

Yea dear Blink that one would be

little me

Love

Alan

devayan wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 8:38pm:

wrote on Nov 7th, 2008 at 5:47pm:  Hi Alan,  I have a lot of respect and love for the guy you are now talking about, but I agree with R that it's perhap limiting to put him on such a pedestal.  I say that knowing that sometimes I do that too much myself.    He was/is an interesting, and yes in many ways unique incarnation, but not special or above us.     I happen to believe that his "I-there", "Over soul", "Disk", "Monad", or whatever you call it, happens to be the Creator of this Universe...but we too will eventually become Co-Creators of other Universes (and perhaps parts of us are already involved in that... ) There are plenty others already.  What's unique about Christ was the speed in which he remerged with God, the steadfastness in his various physical lives and other experiences, and the particular sacrifices he has made for Earth, and the first to separate and return (some never separated to begin with)...  I guess what I"m saying is that ultimately all are equal within God, and all have the same potential as Christ.  But i do believe I understand where you are coming from..  The sentiment is echoed in two very Universal sources that I particularly like, the Cayce readings and Rosiland McKnight's work with Bob Monroe and her guidance.   Both sources seem to say that Christ, as and through the personality Yeshua, was the fastest vibratory, and most purely love filled person to ever walk this Earth (at least during these collectively slower vibrating cycles).  Both place a lot of emphasis on him as being a "leader", main director of spiritual growth, or Master amongst Masters...and if His Disc is the actual Co Creator of this Universe, then yes it makes sense for He knows every Soul within His Creation extremely intimately, for they are OF Him.    And yet we have the same potential, and can be what He is now.     To me Jesus is just one of many illuminated masters/mistresses (lets not forget the feminine here) who have trod this Earth over untold millenia If you listen carefully their message is the same.Unfortunately the early christian religion was hijacked and turned into a political system of power,suppression and brutality,lets not forget the horrors of the inquisition.His true message was distorted beyond belief.Christ must have been talking about the Divine Spark that inhabits all humans.That spark has no need of human style personality.I guess Jesus was trying to help his small band of followers to realize they were much more than their ego everyday self.IT would have been a hard job given the cultural paradigm of the day.Particularly the jealous possesive god of the Jews.When christians in their thousands as do all other religions pray fervently to "God" they are sadly unwittingly separating themselves from the divine over and over.Put "god" outside of yourself and then pray to him/her.There is no "gaseous vertebrate" that will answer and pat you on the back for being "a good boy".You may get a response from more enlightened beings who have moved on from this plane but it won't be "god".You are That. Love Devayan.

 Hi Devayan,

 I'm a bit confused after reading your post, as to why you quoted mine?  

 Either way, i would like to speak to some things you said.  I grew up being very interested in Eastern beliefs, and later on also in the general "New Age" hodge podge of beliefs.  

  Many sources within both believe and claim that Yeshua was just another Master and that there are and have been many of them.  I believed that Buddha was completely enlightened, etc. etc.  I believed all this for many years myself, and to some extent it is true, but for myself, I have discovered that the "truth" encompasses more than just that.  

 I started studying a very interesting, rather universal (especially for its times) and very deep source of info, and it gave a very rich and multi-dimensional view of this character Yeshua.   It seemed to place him in a somewhat unique role, as compared to the many teachers who have come here to try to help humanity.  

  I started to drop more and more outer belief systems, and started to go within more and more, and the more I did that, the more I realized that this particular source rang of truth and accuracy in this respect.  And there is other outside stuff independent of it, to back it up, like the Shroud of Turin for example.   There haven't been any other like it found.  It is in my belief a snap shot in space time of the full conversion of the body physical matter back into pure Light state.  

 The more intune i got, and the more within i went, the more I realized exactly who and what this person was all about.   Also at the same time, my intuition and discrimination started to become more acute, and I realized that many teachers out there, who others labeled as completely enlightened, weren't actually.   Some were darn close, and others not so, and quite a few modern ones were downright quite far from same.  

 Out of all the public and generally known teachers out there that I've tuned into, there is only one so far born of a woman, that I would say was completely and fully enlightened.

  That doesn't mean that other beliefs, teachings, and teachers don't have merit, or things of worth to offer.  Course they do, and any that both preach and practice love and Oneness in action are helpful.  What is the best belief system?  The one that helps you get closest to Source and living in a loving and Sourcelike way.

 Also, I believe the potential of complete/full enlightenment is there for any and everyone, and notice I italicized "public".  My sense is that there are and have been others out there since Yeshua who have achieved the same, but they are much less known to the world and for whatever reason they keep on the down low, performing their good works as what some might call "immortals".  They do not age or die, because they have transcended the illusion of physicality.  

 I also believe there are whole "races" of certain E.T. groups who operate within that same degree of development.  

 These all are the full, and fully conscious, Co-Creators with Source.  We too will get there.  

 But I guess my point is that, just because many people say that this or that teacher was fully enlightened, doesn't make it true.  There are degrees of awareness, and especially livingness of Sourceness, and there is also the Zenith within same.   Many public teachers talk a good talk, and are perceptive about various things, but did or do they put into practice the degree that Yeshua did and does?  

 Isn't it alright if my answer/opinion is different than yours?  

Well Recoverer, Your belief that you know more than I as you have found Jesus is the product of what? Ego perhaps? You tell me. To say your beliefs are truth and others not... ego? Or is it fear? Fear of rotting in a hell like what the church speaks of. I am not here denying your truths. If you believe that Jesus is above all others,  that's just fine. But the rest of the world doesn't need to believe the same as you to have the "truth".  I am not saying Jesus is less than any other. I am just not agreeing with you that he is any closer to God than the others. Just attempting to have you open your eyes to more than just one fixed overview. No one can grow with a closed mind. I am very happy for you that you have found your Saviour. I have found my Creator. By the way, why must you attack my intellect? That's a personal attack on me. And as for your post...perhaps a reread about tolerance would be in order.    
Alan, I will post as I wish thank you. I don't need to think the same as you to be able to make a post here. Nor do I have to agree with what I see as ideological nonsense. You can post your beliefs to the ends of the universe and I will back you up in your right to do so. That sure doesn't mean that I believe them as truth, or the way to know God.
Perhaps the praising of "God" or whomever you believe to be your Creator, would be a good start for some here.
   

 Btw, I'm speaking materially and of teachers who have incarnated in the physical world.  

 Outside of the physical, i believe and sense there are many, many, many "Masters".    

 But it seems to be rather difficult to fully realize while still actually in the physical world, and a rare person indeed who has done this to date.  



 Yet to contradict myself a bit, i believe that have been periods in the long history of humanity, wherein MANY people at the same time were at that state.   But these periods have been rare in the grand scheme of things as well.  

Hawkey


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But the rest of the world doesn't need to believe the same as you to have the "truth".

Who is this rest of the world? Hundus ,Moslems, New Agers, Christians, esoterics, ACIM, you name them, think and single out Jesus as a very special unique soul, even divine.

They possibly make up 80% of humanity

But all to all- knowing you he is just a Tom, Harry, Dick or you!

Be real man, wake up and smell the coffee and join in the forum instead of constantly posting negativity

But Alan, I am awake and I do smell the coffee. I just not drinking out of your cup. Jesus was a very special man.Very special. The lessons attributed to him have changed the world for the better. I don't deny that. But I don't see him as more than say, Buddha or Krishna, or Mohammad.(to name only three) It may be time for you to take off your rose colored sun glasses, Alan. Just because I don't agree with all that is written here, and have my own mind and beliefs. That doesn't mean they are negative. They just are not the same as yours. A great example would be your posting of the pictures of dead Jews from the death camps. Very nice Alan. What do you call that? Positive? You have no right to judge me.  

Hawkeye Dear man!!

I don’t judge you or anyone else, I can just judge your statements and they are not a reflection of your total being.

There is only one absolute truth and all coffee comes from the coffee bean,

But your statements in the last post has elevated Jesus up to the to that of the great masters and we now concur on this one point of dispute

Don’t take me too seriously I am very mortal silly and fallible at times

And I am very sorry and regret my rhetoric but I am a very volatile man and have to constantly keep myself in check.

I can feel that I hurt you and I am deeply sorry

You are a very nice caring loving person, I know this from afar due to my considerable psychic abilities, ask anyone on the forum who has got to know me how I have proved this too them.

You are a seeker of knowledge with an insatiable curiosity that might have got you into a little trouble at times. Indeed your thinking sometimes goes where angels fear to tread

Am I correct?

Take Care your friend


Alan

Hawkeye:

First of all, I really like you. I believe that you are a positive person who cares about this World. I believe you are here to make the World a better place. I didn't write what I wrote because I have a problem with you. It was more a matter of considering you a friend, and me and my friends aren't afraid to point things out to each other. If you read the post you wrote before my post, it does reflect a little confusion on your part. Because you're unhappy with fundamentalism, you made the comment that you don't need Jesus. I believe there are a lot of spirit guides in the spirit World and you may very well be in contact with a guide other than Jesus. There is certainly nothing wrong with that. However, when it comes to any light being, I don't believe it is good to speak as if that light being doesn't matter. I believe that all light beings are worthy of love, respect and reverence. They are here for us, why can't we be here for them?

I was mainly responding to the below comment you made. I believe you wrote it out of anger, rather than according to how you feel about light beings. I figure you have a lot of love and respect for light beings. Certainly there is no need to speak of Jesus as being unimportant in order to make a point.

Hawkeye said: "I don't need a Jesus to have God in my life."



hawkeye wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 2:29pm:

Well Recoverer, Your belief that you know more than I as you have found Jesus is the product of what? Ego perhaps? You tell me. To say your beliefs are truth and others not... ego? Or is it fear? Fear of rotting in a hell like what the church speaks of. I am not here denying your truths. If you believe that Jesus is above all others,  that's just fine. But the rest of the world doesn't need to believe the same as you to have the "truth".  I am not saying Jesus is less than any other. I am just not agreeing with you that he is any closer to God than the others. Just attempting to have you open your eyes to more than just one fixed overview. No one can grow with a closed mind. I am very happy for you that you have found your Saviour. I have found my Creator. By the way, why must you attack my intellect? That's a personal attack on me. And as for your post...perhaps a reread about tolerance would be in order.     Alan, I will post as I wish thank you. I don't need to think the same as you to be able to make a post here. Nor do I have to agree with what I see as ideological nonsense. You can post your beliefs to the ends of the universe and I will back you up in your right to do so. That sure doesn't mean that I believe them as truth, or the way to know God. Perhaps the praising of "God" or whomever you believe to be your Creator, would be a good start for some here.

Seeking knowledge and coureosity has been the downfall of countless souls. Mine included. I can not count the number of times I have been wrong about belief. From cults to religious doctrine I have looked for answers to many questions. Yet now, right before my eyes, many more have been answered. I apologise for my intolerance's. I am, and remain one, with my Creator. Thank you Alan.

Hawkeye,

Yes are we not all a work in progress reaching ever closer to the truth?

Alan

We are Alan. And to each their own truths.
Thank you Recoverer. I love Jesus as I love the All of you. My concern is as you say, with fundamentalism. Not just with Catholic religions, but with all beliefs. That would also include the New Age beliefs. I personally believe that being more fluid in your beliefs is important. To be open to the possibility of all religions and beliefs. To be stuck in one belief system could cause you to become stuck in one belief system. Being open to change will allow your movement and progression. If you believe in only what Bruce says, then for me that is no differant than only believing what the bible says, or the Koran, or ACAM, or... or . All of the great books and religion have important lessons. A smidgen from this one and a spattering from that one. Add a dash of that, stir in a whole lot of love and you will have a great result.
Joe

:)


hawkeye wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 4:33pm:

We are Alan. And to each their own truths. Thank you Recoverer. I love Jesus as I love the All of you. My concern is as you say, with fundamentalism. Not just with Catholic religions, but with all beliefs. That would also include the New Age beliefs. I personally believe that being more fluid in your beliefs is important. To be open to the possibility of all religions and beliefs. To be stuck in one belief system could cause you to become stuck in one belief system. Being open to change will allow your movement and progression. If you believe in only what Bruce says, then for me that is no differant than only believing what the bible says, or the Koran, or ACAM, or... or . All of the great books and religion have important lessons. A smidgen from this one and a spattering from that one. Add a dash of that, stir in a whole lot of love and you will have a great result. Joe