Hi there,

I am looking for a partner(s) to get verifyable proof of the afterlife and its order.

Concerning time-schedules: I live in Europe, not in America, but does it matter?

Sonia

Hello Dearheart,

What is verifiable to you?  I mean, what do you require?
Would a slight touch on the shoulder within an agreed timeframe be enough?  

Times can be set by Greenwhich Mean Time GMT, the international standard. Your evening is US mid day or morning so it's not too hard to find an agreeable time for both.

I'm not sure someone could get you OB if you haven't much conscious memory of OBing yet. ??

Bets

betson wrote on Sep 18^th, 2008 at 9:43am:

Would a slight touch on the shoulder within an agreed timeframe be enough?   .... I'm not sure someone could get you OB if you haven't much conscious memory of OBing yet. ?? Bets

I am not really sure what you mean with these 2 sentences.

What I mean, is that I would love to see that what I see, while focusing with "Bruces course", is something real and not something I am making up.

I want to be sure I am not imagining my experiences.
I want to learn to trust my nonphysical senses more.

Sonia

Sonia,

When you are OB, if you see things, you see energy. You are not in a physical realm there. So your mind interprets that energy into a form that conveys that energy's essential meaning -- angel, friendly face, cartoon figure, puppy, etc.

So you may interpret an energy field differently than your partner even if you are together.
Therefore, regrettably, what you ask for is not possible.

(Go to the website "Internet Infidels', an international site of scientists and other 'highly educated' persons and read their threads on proofs for or against psi. They explain the problem of psi proof
;) and explain and explain!

But today is your healing with PUL !  You are supposed to keep your mind as quiet as possible !

Bets

Dearest Sonia, Well, I am with you. I want proof. Right in front of my eyes. ;)..... Just one thing though...it doesn't work that way. Prove to me that there is a God. Prove to me that there is love. Prove to me that there is air. Prove to me that there is trust. I think it is more important that you prove it to yourself, not that someone comes to you to prove it. If I was to attempt to prove my realities to you, what would stop you from disbelieving what you see or feel no matter what you would be showen. Inside you will know. Do you believe in God? If so, why? Whats your proof. Believers "know". I know there is God. I have been lucky enough to be touched. (metaphorically speaking not physically speaking) God"s existence has been proven to me. Now what I have experienced would not necessary prove anything to you. Does that mean it is not proof? Same thing with the afterlife and retrievals. I have no doubts as I have my knowens, my reality. By me telling them to you, would not make any difference to what you believe. There are countless realities. Mine is only my own.Here at the  partnered exploration area and linking up with some of the others who are do just that, is a great place to start. See if that fulfills what you are looking for.
Joe  

Oh yea Sonia, Am I to understand that you are currently going through some physical difficulties as of late? I must have missed where you spoke of it. Asking for a little assistance in that difficulty might be an idea also. If I missed it, sorry. At TMI there is a club called the Dolphin Energy Club that you might have some interest in. Used healing energies and positive affirmation from others to assist. There is a small membership fee involved but I understand its can be a great help. Perhaps someone on the forum can say more about it.(?) I also know that there are lots of energy healers right here on this site. A combined effort by them sending healing energy could be of help. A time organised and then see if you feel anything. If you do it could be an affirmation for you. Just a thought.
Joe

HI there,

I understand your comment.

Currently, I am reading Bruce Moen's book and he gets information from the afterlife, while for example retrieving somebody. The information he got, matched with Rebecca's information OR when he asked to relatives of the deceased person, he comes to know that what he saw matched with was the relative told about the deceased person.

I want to do something alike.

Do you understand. I seek more confirmation, for myself.
Even if that confirmation only means something for me, I seek to convince myself OR to have less doubt.

I really hope to find somebody who's looking for the same.

Maybe I am not asking the right way.

Sonia

I'm with you Sonia,
I'm looking  for the same... But it's not of any help for you... :-/

Someone will show up for you Sonia.  In Bruce's experiences that you mention look like they are from Voyages into the Afterlife. Great book. Have you done any of Bruce's home study or Bob Monroe's tapes/Cds? Not that they are necessary but they can put you in the mood so to speak. You can't put the cart before the horse. A lot of information from "There" come in the form of pictures and ideas. Non Verbal Communication or NVC. It can be extremely difficult to understand. Sometimes you need to build a relationship with the spirit (for lack of a better word) that you are communicating with so that you get to understand each other better. They could have a much difficulty in understanding us as we do them. An example...If your communication is with someone who has never incarnated on earth how would you explain the smell of a flower. Say a rose.  How would you put that in to a picture that it could understand. Or visa versa. Can you be expected to understand the meening of spiritual PUL if you don't remember experiencing it. Some Ident from another planet may never have experienced sunlight. What picture do you send out to show them that? There is a very good NVC communication Cd/tape in the take home Gateway series that helped me a great deal. Its all about NVC. Keep searching and ask for understanding. It will get to the point where you pick up things and soon this new "language" will be like a second tongue for you.
Joe

Thank you Joe,

I did the Bruce Moen Home Study Course.

Currently, I am looking to buy tapes from the Monroe Institute, but I don't have Visa and I cannot find them in any local shop/library.

So, I will keep looking.

Anyhow, I am also looking to do partnered exploration. Tough job finding a partner it seems, but I am not quitting yet.

Many thanks,

Sonia

Sonya, I know its all going to work out for you. Don't forget you can always go and pick up one of those "you load" card that will work on the Internet for ordering. I picked up my "tapes" from TMI Store that way. The tapes are far more inexpensive that the Cd's but its getting hard to fine tape recorders now. Also with Cd's you can load them up and run continuous where a tape needs to be flipped over. You wouldn't regret getting the Hemi Sync no matter how it is presented, tape or Cd. I would offer to do some exploring with you but due to some health problems of a friend of mines, which I am helping out at his business at the time being, I just not mentally prepared for a concerted effort in exploration. I am surprised you have had difficulty in fining a partner as of yet. Not to worry. At just the right time, the right partner will be available to work with you.
Joe

Hi Sonya,

I think you're too much in hurry  :D  Give your being time to absorb new knowledges...  Experiences and proofs will come by themselves.  

Phantasyman,

You're right, I am to much in a hurry.

I so much wish I knew what I want to know.

Sonia

I think I have a ballpark idea of what you mean. I am also looking for some form of validation that much of what I experience is real. It certainly seems real, and in a "dream" last night everything even felt and sounded real, but I don't know, it could just be my brain making things up.

I have been thinking about doing a partnered exploration for a while now. If you are interested let me know. A successfull exploration can take some time and effort.

Ray

Hi there, Member Unknown!! Reading your posts just now gave me an insight I had not picked up on before.

I've been learning to use my Imagination to explore the Afterlife as per Bruce's course teaches. Been gathering information for I guess a couple years maybe on this particular website.

When two members of my family left earth I retrieved them and took them to The Park where others of my family were already (much to my surprise when I started). As time went on, my family gave me information about their lives there and what they do for work and interests etc. I could visit and participate a little, but very nervous I would slide back into my body and did tend to, all too quickly.

However, a while ago I had a reading from a well known Medium, who surprised me with all the people lined up to talk to me!! My mother and daughter and others.

Well, in visiting The Park, I had already discovered previously that my brother Wayne had eventually been placed in charge of a herd of beautiful horses who needed healing.  However, during the Medium reading, I was astounded to be told that my mother, who had never ridden in her life here on earth that I know of, had a golden Palomino she calls Pegasus and spends a lot of time with him, having a wonderful time.

I put two and two together and realized that Wayne and our mom were together and working with the horses together. What I realized as I read your posts tonight was that, I had failed to notice, that where only my Imaginary journeys to The Park had produced the information about my brother's work with horses, the information about my mother's involvement with a horse and her love for this horse, had come by a completely different source...the Medium, who of course I had not given any information to at all about any of this.

So what I am taking a long time to say is, guess what....I have been given proof that my Imaginary journeys to my family in The Park are real...or, at least, just as real as the Medium's reading, which was based in total earth reality because, in fact, the Medium also brought to me two of my old boyfriends who I had not even realized had passed over. There is no doubt as to their identity, and I just realized that in the Medium's reading I was being given Proof positive that my visits to The Park are REAL and reliable. Vee

good post Vee. The basic premise is relax, relax, relax. If there is too much urgency to do any kind of exploration, PE, retrieval, past life, etc, the urgency itself is a block.

Sonia, perhaps Bruce's comprehensive 5th book, a how to manual, full of easy to follow exercises might be better.

Heres maybe something can help the over eager: what I figured out was you can try too hard, or want too badly. but you can use that energy of desire in another way, to your benefit. With that energy, it can feel too intense. it is a block. so it is also filled with doubts of your ability, otherwise it wouldn't be so intense. You have to put the doubts somewhere, into an imaginary satchel perhaps. You lose nothing, as you know when you're done with your experiment, the satchel is right there to pick up. But for the moments you engage your imagination, or your visualization if you wish, you relax, you put your doubts aside.

What I would do when I wanted to make contact with my foster dad for instance, on the other side, I first built the energy.
over a few days time, I would think "I want this experience." I'm going to do it. then I'd forget about it until tomorrow. then again I'd remember, yes, I want this. It will happen. I have faith.

It turns out that the deceased, whom we have a bond with especially receive your "want signal." perhaps delivered by a messenger, or perhaps it's just a random signal which hits it's target. at any rate, I sometimes would take an entire week to build the momentum of my desire before I would make contact, in dream area sometimes, other times in C1. with the phasing, it's almost like it's all imagination, and you can feel quite foolish doing it, then what makes it real is getting confirmation of hits with your partner.

You may be right on, but if your partner is disbelieving, or thinking that it's all their imagination, so they don't want to share, then you don't really validate your own experience in that case. so pick a partner, establish good communication with them first then you can work on a PE. My PE partner and I profitted by our experiences, but I think I profited much more than she did.

perhaps you don't need a friendship bond. It just worked better for me to trust this person into whose energy field I would be engaged with. and we do it right here in the PE section, no particular bonding has taken place, and it still works, but I'd say the trust is still important, and to trust, you have to place doubts aside, as doubts themselves tend to have a certain creative element.

well, it's a huge topic, I wish you the best Sonia, perhaps we can have another PE here and draw you into it. love, alysia :)

Thanks, Laffingrain, for that post. I will be trying to do the "warming up" exercises for various experiences I'd like, building up to the point where they finally happen.

The thing is, I came to realize how much work this stuff is, like the one and only time I actually found myself in an etheric (jelly-like feelilng) body standing outside on my street, I had carried through on the vibration method of OBE'ing. And it worked, but I did a lot of vibrating for weeks beforehand and I was shocked when it finally happened.

Now, I could vibrate more like that and hope to exit my body once again in that same way, but it is a lot of commitment and work...I don't always want to do it. That's the truth. I am afraid if I do put in all that work again, I might fail. So I don't want to risk that. I guess I need a good kick in my patootie. It's so easy to phase instead, although it isn't a solidly "real". Vee

Hi Vee..it seems one experience builds on another, and it seems no two obes or experiences, or PE's will act the same, each experience is a new experience. such as some people will try making themselves thirsty, and go to bed expecting the astral body to get up and go get a drink.

while such an experiment might work once, I doubt it would work twice.
So I don't advocate working at it at all..it should be fun, is my idea.

I remember back in my 30's I put a lot of effort into the desire to go full blown obe. then after that one Obe where I become an orb, it was so profound and real, that I lost all desire to continue.

thus I knew. I had a known factor. Now it was time to build the conceptual and intellectual areas and the obes or experiences follow naturally from having higher ideals, in relationship to Monroe's "basic."

lets see, page 221 in Ultimate Journey mention is made of his attaining the basic from his I/there.
it was simply service ideals, in general, has to do with bringing a gift back to the I/there.

to much straining after psychic development would be counter productive. Yet Sonia has the right idea. If we all had a personal PE partner, we are in service to the partner, the motive is right for growth.

Vee, I love this Ultimate Journey! gaining so much. I will be writing about it to share. love, alysia

Yes, and when I stop to think about it, most new things we learn take time to be processed by the brain, learning anything is a definite process, and maybe my reluctance to do more of the "work" after a big success moment, is just the brain's way of dealing with what it all means. Also, life takes these waves and troughs of busy-ness with practical life issues, and when things settle down for a while, it is always more appropriate to do these other kinds of experiments and work. I'm sure the time will come again when I get a lot of enjoyment for focussing on the OBE process, although, it's interesting I have about three or four books on the OBE and they are all different!! I wonder what that's about??? Anyway. Vee

hi Vee, I know, they are different. I probably have the same books!

some I can't get all the way through as the author has a totally different perspective than mine. the best way I know to achieve a full blown obe is to do a retrieval with the idea of PUL behind it to give it steam.

other than obeing to be of service, many a time has passed for me when I got all dressed up and had nowhere to go.

meaning intention is everything. or more stronger than curiosity alone. I had a lot of curiosity, but little intellect or thought into these matters way back then. Higher self only would show up if I asked the right question.  :)