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Message started by Berserk2 on Aug 26th, 2008 at 9:20pm

Title: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Berserk2 on Aug 26th, 2008 at 9:20pm
(1) Shane is a science teacher--a recent skeptic turned Christian. A while ago, he was driving up from Spokane to Colville, WA.  He had the strange distinct sensation that God was speaking to him.  He had never experienced so direct a form of communication before.  Spiritual insights streamed into his mind.  

When he arrived home, his wife Leah greeted him with a look of profound relief on her face.  While Shane was experiencing divine guidance, she too sensed that God was speaking to him.  But she inferred from this that Shane might have died and was now encountering God in a postmortem state!!!  When they informed me about this synchronicity, I suggested that this verification might have been God's way of saying, "Testing---1-2-3" to develop their confidence in the possibility of intimate communion with God.

(2) Leah received a similar confirmation.  She went out by herself on a late night walk in the dark.  Suddenly she felt an impulse to walk down a pitch black back lane.  She initially resisted this impulse on the grounds that it seemed absurd and might even put her in danger.  Then she realized that faith development requires risk-taking to hone one's intuition.  As she walked down the lane, a car turned into the lane from the opposite direction with its brights on!  The car drove right up to Leah and then stopped.  Leah initially felt frightened.  Was this a mugger?  Out stepped an elderly lady who frantically explained she was from out of town, was supposed to meet someone at a laundramat, but was lost and had no idea how to get there.  Leah gave her directions and felt the lady's gratitude.  Our streets are usually deserted at that hour; so it is questionable whether this lady could easily have gotten directions from someone else.  And why would she turn down a back lane in the hope of receiving directions?

(3) Seb was a severely handicapped child who was supposed to be dead by age 4 because it was so hard for his system to absorb oxygen.  His courageous battle for life made him a great inspiration to all who met him.  He lost his ability to walk at age 5 and lived to a surprising age 17.  He remained the size of a 4-year-old.  Seb invented his own shorthand language to help him communicate.  For example, "Thinking chair!"  meant "Sit down and let's talk!" or "Let's play a computer game or dominoes."  "Little boy, lttle boy!"  meant, "I need a hug!" or some other form of TLC.  "Beeg boy!" meant, "Hey, I'm just one uf the guys, even though I'm pint-sized.  Treat me as such!"  

When Seb died, his parents' grief was unusually intense.  As they wept in the funeral parlor by Seb's coffin, their friends urged me to intervene, but I decided that they needed prolonged privacy and, in any case, I needed divine guidance about what to say.  After an hour, I approached them and told them that I expected Seb to confirm his survival beyond the grave.  I qualified this by saying that a relative would receive this confirmation and bring it to their attention.  They were too distraught to be effective "receivers."  Then I left on my vacation and promised to return to perform Seb's funeral when I returned.  

During calling hours, a relative stepped outside the funeral home and felt prompted to look skyward.  The clouds had formed an unmistakable printing of "Seb" in his own unique printing style.  A color slide of this miracle was created for Seb's memorial service booklet.  When Seb's parents were brought outside to witness Seb's signature, their grief ws dramatically lessened.  In fact, I've never seen such a dramatic transformation from grief to joy!

Don
 

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Petrus on Aug 26th, 2008 at 9:59pm
Amazing stuff, Don.  Praise God. :)

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Rog_B on Aug 26th, 2008 at 11:04pm
Yes these stories are evidence that those folks who we think have gone away are still among us.

An example of this happened just today, when I checked the AK board and lo and behold, Don returned!

Welcome Don, please stay with us longer this time, you were greatly missed.

R

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 27th, 2008 at 6:18am
Don,

While these stories make the heart glow, I wonder why God does not seem to talk to people of great significance. Does he do the same for the Pope or your President Bush?

It would be really great if he woke up all the world leaders in a bold loud voice and said stop your nonsense NOW

Alan

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Lights of Love on Aug 27th, 2008 at 8:46am
Thanks for posting these experiences, Don. I love hearing about how God works in our lives.

Good to see you posting again, too.  :)

Love,
Kathy

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by DocM on Aug 27th, 2008 at 11:53pm
What remains unanswered is what factors in consciousness allow people to receive these messages or communications.  It has been referred to as divine grace in the past - seeming to be a somewhat random occurrence.  

Many of us meditate, sometimes with prayers, sometimes just trying to get into a relaxed state and the core of our consciousness.  Some, travel via consciousness in another body (oobe).  Yet how often in these explorations do we have these personal communications?  If there are deceased human beings, angels, guides and helpers, along with direct revelations from God, why are the direct communications so infrequent when most of us explore?  Some may disagree and say that felt a guide moving them during meditation, or saw a brief image which was meant to convey a sign.  Yet we can all agree that a two way conversation with God is a much more rare occurrence.

Why did Mother Teresa despair at the "silence" of her unanswered prayers and have the "dark night of the soul?"  Why did Swedenborg at age 56, have an episode of divine grace where suddenly, afterwards, he could have free contact at will with the deceased from that point on, and visit heaven and hells at will?

Is it that at our core we must be open to this contact or communication and seek it subconsciously?  Does it come at random, or from our own needs and our connection to our loved ones/disc/higher self?  

Matthew

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Alan McDougall on Aug 28th, 2008 at 2:35am
Hi, Matthew,


Quote:
Why did Mother Teresa despair at the "silence" of her unanswered prayers and have the "dark night of the soul?"  Why did Swedenborg at age 56, have an episode of divine grace where suddenly, afterwards, he could have free contact at will with the deceased from that point on, and visit heaven and hells at will?


Exactly Matthew why does God seem to communicate with so seemingly insufficient people instead of those who have the power to make a real difference? Maybe he does not do this as it would impact on our free will.


Using the UFO phenomenon as an example the argument put by skeptics is why don’t these objects land on the White House lawn and announce them selves this way to the world

In tte wards of psychiatric hospitals one will find many who hear the voice of God, who knows maybe they do

Regards

Alan[/color]

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Rog_B on Aug 28th, 2008 at 2:44pm
Alan-

Good points.  Why don't the UFOs land on the White House lawn? And regarding those folks who claim the aliens left an implant in their head during abduction, why don't we hear about the results of an examination of such implants by a scientific lab as to their materials and technology?

Many people claim extraordinary visitations by either aliens or deceased loved ones, and yet I have never heard from any independent observers who just happened to witness such appearances.  It seems always to be only first hand accounts, no independent verifications.

So, this suggests 2 possible explanations- either aliens and/or deceased persons make it a point to never appear when others can be witnesses OR our brains are far more mysterious than we know, and can conjure up all sorts of highly unusual phenomena that convinces us it is objective reality.

I'm not suggesting fraud in these cases (altho fraud certainly abounds in afterlife material), only that perhaps we do not yet understand the origin of such phenomena.




Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by vajra on Aug 28th, 2008 at 2:59pm
:) The vagaries of communication of this sort are truly one of the great imponderables of the spiritual path Don. Not to mention it seems likely the greatest blessing imaginable, in terms of its potential to free one from fear.

The explanation that rings most true to me Doc is that it's mostly a matter of what deep down we're prepared to allow, and that the rule that free will is never over ridden by spirit takes care of the rest.

Our collective state of separation from God and the deeply buried presumption that he will seek to punish us for it seems to result in fear, and in the imaginings that create this reality - which actually seems to act to keep the collective mind of humanity from acknowledging this fear.

Even when consciously we seem to accept the loving nature of God it seems that deeper down in the collective subconscious we cling to the old fears.

Even the superficial conviction is questionable. We often talk of God and love, but how many of us when faced with life threatening circumstances will unhesitatingly act in accordance with what we profess? How many of us are absolutely certain of survival beyond death? We certainly hope that this is the case, but it's rare to find somebody who faces death with equanimity.

Opening to the possibility of return/communication from spirit (which anyway seems to be rare too - unlike communication at the Christ/being level) seems to require accessing this level of mind through prayer, meditation and intention and through grace/other assistance dropping the limiting beliefs in question.

It seems to me Alan that the power of leaders is perhaps pretty illusory except in very limited ways or in particular circumstances - especially to deliver good. (leaders can of course cause enormous suffering by acting unwisely, especially at critical junctures)

One view is that we get the leaders we deserve/demand - that the wisdom/compassion of leaders tends to pretty accurately reflect the centre of gravity of that of the societies they preside over.

It seems anyway that a highly realised person is unlikely to make a very popular leader - people simply won't understand and won't accept what they are about despite the fact that it's for the highest good.

Jesus for example threatened the power structures of his day and was crucified, and the main church established in his name was hi-jacked as a vehicle to deliver temporal power...

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Berserk2 on Aug 28th, 2008 at 3:12pm
Matthew,

Your reply poses the question that has become my greatest obsession.  The new couples who attend my church are well educated and naturally skeptical.  They remind me a lot of you and Roger among others on this site.  They have become Shane and Leah's close friends, but are frustrated that this couple has had several striking paranormal experiences and they have not.  Why the difference?  Well, Shane and Leah seem to be more intuitive risk takers and seem far more willing to go with the flow of their impulses.  

You'll recall Methodist missionary Dr. E. Stanley Jones's repeated reception of a psychic warning to leave the Indian airport ticket line and cancel his speaking engagement in Dehli.  About 300 Indian Hindus were killed in that crash.  The Indian press heard about his escape and reporters sarcastically asked him: "You mean, just because you are a Christian, God loves you so much more than all these Hindus that He warned you and let them die?"  Jones's reply haunts me: "Oh no, God loves those Hindus at least as much as He loves me.  It's just that I was the only one who knew how to listen."  As unsatisfactory as this answer is, it may point the way to some of the truth.  

We often use the word "miracle" to compensate for how little we know about the latent powers of the mind.  We often assume that God suspends the laws of nature, when in fact God may often work through poorly understood laws of consciousness.  Faith principles seem to incorporate some of these laws. Perhaps there are laws governing our right to fulfill our life purpose and to have a minimal chance for essential soul work.  I have often observed that novices to a faith journey and culturally deprived seekers get special opportunities to experience grace in a remarkable way.

Mother Teresa had several inspirational visions of Jesus as part of her call to serve the poor.  Her later depression arose from her frustration over the abrupt termination of these visions once she plunged into her life's work.  Perhaps, God expected her to be motivated by the energy of these early mystical experiences.  Continued ecstasy might undermine soul work by minimizing the development of patience in the struggle to persevere.

When people ask me if they should merely concentrate on their faith and loving action, I discourage them from trivializing the value and power of mystical experience as a motivating force.  I also confess that I may have contributed to their problem by overstressing the more sensational and verifiable paranormal faith experiences.  Openness to more subtle experiences of intimate communion with the divine can help enhance the quality of consciousness that leads to more exciting experiences.  

St. Paul teaches that the right kind of PUL is a key to answered prayer---the kind of PUL that "believes all things."  The problem here is the inadequacy of language to convey subtle differences in blissful states.  I find it easy to love people, but when I receive prophetic insight, that love takes on a "sweetness" that I can neither manufacture nor adequately express in words. I do know that when I TRY to make miracles happen, my ego and performance anxiety seem to conspire to prevent miracles from happening.  For me the love and faith that works always seems to ambush me when I am focussing on some need.   I just wish God would ambush me in this way more often!

Don


Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by hawkeye on Aug 28th, 2008 at 6:34pm
When you relay the story about Dr Jones experience are Delhi, it make me wonder if the message came from God or a helper or one as it has been called here, from the disk group. If the messages you receive are about love and understanding. If they serve you and those around you, just where do they come from? I would think that you must be pretty special to have God come and speak directly to you. Now a helper might be a little different. Many of us receive help from somewhere. But a message from God. That would make you a special as....Moses.to name one. The way your story has been written, it looks like the Media has conjured up the name of God and Dr Jones used that connection after that point. He received a message, they asked about his God.
When I was a casino last week and I got the message to play a certain slot machine, and then won...Was that a message from God? Or did that come from something attempting to help me?
I have talked to my God a number of times. He has never spoken back to me. (I don't think it was him??)Not that I haven't received his message. I have a number times. He has helped to make me who I am. He has come to me in my most desperate of times.    
By the way Don, good to see you back. Keep up your good works at the place you worship.  

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by spooky2 on Aug 28th, 2008 at 7:55pm
Good question Matthew! And thanks for all your responses.

Apparently, divine insights and coincidents aren't things we can plan as we can plan to meditate at a specific daytime. I frequently hear the advice to "not try too hard", "let things happen at their own pace" and such. It all boils down to: We can't have it through our conscious will.

Recently I started again an attempt in classic meditation, reducing thoughts as far as possible. I haven't come very far yet with this, but one thing is interesting: I've noticed there are spaces between thoughts I've never noticed before. I guess they were there before, but I just couldn't interprete them as I can now.

I guess it's similar with those divine occurings. You just catched a gap where the regular limited mind is absent and become aware of it, that is: Become aware not of a plan you have in mind, but of a situation in it's full richness. I have a feeling these calming-the-mind meditations may be beneficial for that, because it adresses exactly the appearance of randomness these occurings have with them, as they seem to happen in those gaps between the regular-how-it-should-be flow of time.

Spooky

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Berserk2 on Aug 28th, 2008 at 8:21pm
Hawkeye,

The issue you raise of the source of divne guidance is profoundly mysterious.  Biblical traditon implies an important role for guardian angels, but leaves obscure the extent to which the Holy Spirit operates directly or through such intermediaries.  Then there is the elusive issue of when guidance comes through discarnate loving hujmans or non-human angelic beings and how one can detect the difference.  Astral adept Robert Bruce has a profound respect this distinction.  The Hebrew and Greek terms translated "angel" don't help because they simply mean "messenger."  

In my view, it is best to be practical about this mystery. The quest for guidance from discarnate humans can open the door to mischievous or evil human spirits (e. g. frequent Ouija board communicators).  The quest for guidance from a loving God (perhaps through angels) seems much safer and far more powerful in terms of verifiable results.  At least, that's been my experience.

Don

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Rog_B on Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:00am
Don- In my experience, intervention by angels or appearance of deceased persons or most any other kind of other-worldly manifestation happens spontaneously and when we least expect it.

In fact, the more we yearn for it, the less likely we will get it or so it seems.

Whatever protocol angels use in terms of intervening in our lives, I don't think we will ever (or should) know.





Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by hawkeye on Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:45pm
Don, That is the question...is it "divine" or is it just a message from self? If the belief you hold has been ingrained by religious dogma then the message would come from God or Holy Spirit, Angles as directed by God. If you were raised by someone who had no such fixed beliefs and received the same message, from where would it have come? An Atheist would not believe he/she receives messages from God, yet can still get a message.
Joe  

Title: Thanks Don
Post by Bruce Moen on Aug 30th, 2008 at 10:32pm
Hey Don,

Just wanted to say that I am thoroghly enjoying this thread.  The precision of your logic is for me an experience of appreciating a work of art.  The discussion it has sparked is a treat.

Thanks, Don

Bruce

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by vajra on Aug 31st, 2008 at 6:55am
Good going Don.  :)

I hope this isn't a diversion, but the nature of manifestations gets interesting if we factor in the view  that some traditions hold to the effect that this entire dualistic reality is illusory, and a creation of mind subsequent to the separation I mentioned before.

This opens the possibility of differing types of manifestation -  essentially Spirit, apparently (see below) embodied aspects of Spirit, or aspects of mind of varying intentions ranging from good to less so.

Add the creative nature of mind and it seems likely that not only may we receive communication from the above, but that these communications are packaged in forms we can relate to. Hence the possibility of communications from everything from aliens to angels and just about anything/anybody we can imagine in between.

So Spirit may manifest an apparently individual being as a means of communication, despite the fact that this being as a dualistic phenomenon presumably has no absolute existence.

Put another way. There's a view that the cosmos finds ways to speak to us using the library of concepts, images, language and so on that we are familiar with, but that these forms have no objective or absolute reality of themselves......

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Alan McDougall on Sep 1st, 2008 at 8:15am
Heck guys if God communicated with us all the time our free will will vanish. Then we will be controlled by a fear or respect aganist offending this infinite being.

So I believe God very seldom communicated with us in a direct manner such as an audible voice etc for this exact reason.

What about the Pope does God  rate him in some way as very special?

Regards

Alan

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Rog_B on Sep 1st, 2008 at 9:50am
Just to follow up on Bruce's post- yes, Don is a great member of the AK board.  He challenges us in our thinking, and adds an important perspective to afterlife discussions in terms of scriptural content and teachings.

Thanks Don, and I surely hope you'll stick around for a long, long time.

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by betson on Sep 1st, 2008 at 10:42am
Greetings,

A big difference exists between intensely wanting something and being open to or receptive to its existence, IMO.
A person might even be receptive to the possibility almost unconsciously, just because they opened that channel when reading of others who have had such contact -- Moses, for example. Attitude determines so much in the spiritual realms.

I can't decide about calling the messengers God. I guess it's a good idea because it keeps a person focussed in the right direction. Yet my own spiritual development didn't begin until I accepted that a whole hierarchy of heavenly spirits can be involved. -- It's still an overwhelming thought.

Bets

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by vajra on Sep 1st, 2008 at 1:17pm
A source like ACIM suggests that communication from God happens, but very rarely and not usually in personalised form Bets.

I too find it all a bit overwhelming - and it's such a subjective judgement as to what is actually happening.

I suspect too that what you say is true about the difference between consciously wanting and truly being open to communication - that quite apart from it taking two to tango that there's very few of us able to consciously access the deeper levels of mind/consciousness where these decisions are made...

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Berserk2 on Sep 1st, 2008 at 3:43pm
Thanks everyone for the kind words.  When people complain to me about life's unfairness and the implausibilty of their prior conceptions of God, I often invite them to play God and pretend that they could invent the spiritual laws and value system that governs our universe and alternate realities.  Usually, they spotaneously espouse neglected biblical principles that they always assumed contradict Scripture.  Then I encourage them to make it their top priority to develop a critically astute spiritual discernment through trial and error, a discernment  that they can check out in a support group of likeminded explorers.  Our church's Sunday night group features Bible studies with this difference: we focus on how biblical texts might enhance our quest to supplement personal beliefs with life-changing direct experience.  To that end, our spiritual discernment must gradually subsume the role that sacred texts once exclusively assumed. Last night, Leah shared another glowing example of how marvelous spiritual intuition can be.  

Leah's friend was driving down Interstate 90 in Montana.  Suddenly she felt a strong impulse to find the nearest exit and turn back.  This impulse was supplemented by the feeling that she should enter the lady's bathroom at a McDonalds she had passed several miles ago.  
When she entered this McDonald's bathroom, she approached the closed toilet stall and simply asked, "Are you all right?  I'm here to help?"  A distraught female voice replied, "No, I'm not all right.  I'm trying to find the nerve to commit suicide!"  A long discussion ensued in which Leah's friend was able to give this depressed woman hope.  The paranormal way in which she drove back to the scene allowed her to be perceived as an instrument of divine mercy and comfort.  

How many of us would inconvenience ourselves by honoring such a seemingly irrational impulse?  Openness to potentially healing impulses can be verified and upgraded in reliability through trial and error.  Divine guidance is often a function of an experimental mindset that is free from the restraints of socially acceptable rational behavior.

Don

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Alan McDougall on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 7:50am
Don

While it is nice that God communicated directly with these skeptical members of your congregation and made them Christian mystics in the process, in my limited finite humble view he should first convince skeptical people of great influence and redeem them. Then maybe we could talk about moral absolutes becoming a reality

Of course God is Sovereign and does not need my silly advice and I know he will continue to do exactly what he likes with his creation.

I once in a severe uncontrollable manic state phoned the White House to and asked to speak to president Bush. The lady at the White house switchboard asked politely who was talking. I said  ‘God’ there was a prolonged pause and she said ‘WHO???.’ So I then spelled God out for her G-O- D wants to speak to the president.

Another prolonged pause and she politely came back with the response, "I am sorry the president is not taking calls".

So the leader of the greatest power on earth was too busy to talk to Almighty God. ( I thought I knew where Ben Larden was hiding)

OK laugh if you like, but my poor wife did not think it very funny at the time and this account is absolutely true. Matthew being a doctor would know that a severe manic depressive like me when out of controll often experience this type of grandiosity, especially in the psychotic high mania I was in at the time.

"But the point is not that Don the point being that perhaps It could really have been God, and Bush was just to busy to talk to him"

By the way guys I have been I have been well controlled for years now and feel that I now know the active forum members to reveal more of myself to them.

Regards

Alan

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by recoverer on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:23pm
If we can feel love, then God can speak to us.

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Alan McDougall on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 1:05pm
Recoverer


Quote:
If we can feel love, then God can speak to us.


Yes he can but does he really?

Alan

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by recoverer on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 2:47pm
Alan:

I figure love is the main thing God would want to tell us about.



Alan McDougall wrote on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 1:05pm:
Recoverer


Quote:
If we can feel love, then God can speak to us.


Yes he can but does he really?

Alan


Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by hawkeye on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 3:12pm
Don, This last story you related...Now, this lady had a impulse to turn around and go back to the gas station. Did she say she received a message from God when she relayed the story to you all, or just an impulse to turn around? If your beliefs are that the message comes from your God then surely that's where it comes from. But if you don't hold the belief that God communicates with us, then these messages come from where...? When I drive down our long and dangerous road to town. (some 100 Kms away and each way) many time I get this feeling to pull over to the side of the road. Many times it has saved my life as another vehicle was coming towards me on the wrong side of the road. This "message" I receive, in my case, I don't believe it comes from my God. But it comes from somebody (or thing).  Isn't that really because of my personal belief through? "If" I believed they came from my God, then who could argue with me about it. I would be here saying "God speaks to me all of the time." Or " I talk directly to God". If I went around saying that I talked to God and he talked to me I could end up in a sanitarium. So Leah's experience...paranormal, yes....spriritual....yes.....devine...well.....I am not so sure. Only she knows. How fortunate if her God has seen fit to communicate with her. The love experienced must be overwhelming.

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Alan McDougall on Sep 3rd, 2008 at 5:10am
There are so many voices all speaking at once in my mind and dream, how can I know for absolute sure, which is God?, which is the devil?, which is my ow?n or even those of people all around me??

Neale Donald Walsh claims to be in constant touch with the almighty, the almighty has even become his personal buddy

Alan

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Berserk2 on Feb 17th, 2009 at 9:06pm
Just an update on the faith journeys of Shane and Leah:

Leah's Dad is a sweet man, but is a depressed alcholic who just lost his job.  Her Dad made comments suggesting that he might just commit suicide.  So Leah asked me to activate our church's prayer chain.  A couple of days later, an insurance rep knocked on the door of this Dad's home in another city.  There was no answer.  The rep then did something bizarre.  He checked the door handle and noticed that it was ajar.  He then opened the door and looked in.  His gaze caught the body of Leah's Dad who had just overdosed on sleeping pills.  Dad is now in a treatment center and responding well.  

So here are my 2 questions.  (1) How likely is it these days that an insurance rep would make a house call at all, let alone a call shortly after a suicide attempt?  (2) How likely is it that when his ringing and knocking got no response that he would not walk away, but would instead presume to open the unlocked door and look around?  To me, this incident is an impressive verification that the recent prayers offered up in this Dad's behalf were answered.  Testing 1-2-3: God calling--through this insurance rep.

Don

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by DocM on Feb 18th, 2009 at 12:17pm
Don,

For me, your story is important, and touching, especially to me.  The perfect synchronicity of events that leads to a good outcome defies the standard odds and probabilities.

However, I have seen the power of prayer groups and my own subconscious mind change and alter probabilities in the real world to bring about events.  I had a profound experience with this for myself and my family on another forum about three years ago.  The healing I and my family received, the protection and removal of a danger and threat did not have to occur, but for the synchronicity of events which defied any conventional odds.  I owe that healing circle much, and I believe my own meditation and prayers helped a little with them.

The question then comes up, is it your prayer circle from the Church accessing their connection to God to change probabilities, or is it a more direct diivine intervention, independent of the intent of people?  In the last case you describe, it appears to me that the good intent of your prayer group, changed the probabilities of events, and nudged the insurance rep. to the desired, loving outcome.  

There are some cases, different than this, where a divine intervention appears to come out of left field, sometimes to those who don't believe in it.  

Some mystics, and spiritual people of faith believe that there are no accidents - no randomn events, and they see every interaction they have in life (even the most mundane) as a chance to act in a loving or divine manner.  While I haven't gotten to that stage, I hope to look for, find and see the synchronicities happen, as you describe.  

When we access that power deep within us, as I know you have, and when it is coupled to a loving intention, then we truly get to see how awesome our creative power on this planet can be.  It is humbling and at the same time invigorating, with all the fear of the afterlife and spirituality to hear stories like this of love and healing.


Matthew

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Rondele on Feb 18th, 2009 at 1:12pm
<<The question then comes up, is it your prayer circle from the Church accessing their connection to God to change probabilities, or is it a more direct diivine intervention, independent of the intent of people>>

This really is an excellent question.  I have personally been the beneficiary of direct, life-saving intervention.  And because I was about a few seconds of being killed without even knowing it at the time (I was a young child), there was literally no opportunity for prayer.

An entity I can only describe as an angel or helper, but in full human form (behind the wheel of a car that subsequently disappeared into thin air), arrived at the precise time to scare off a man who was about to strangle me.  All of this happened along side of a relatively remote stretch of a rural road that cars rarely traveled.  

On the other hand, Don has mentioned several times that intense prayer for those with illnesses had little or no effect.  And in one strange case, the person did recover from her illness only to be killed via (I think) a car accident.

I don't think there is any particular protocol involved.  Those on the other side seem to have their own criteria and march to their own beat regardless of how intensely we humans want their intervention.

Sometimes they respond, sometimes they don't.  So far I don't think anyone knows why.


Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by DocM on Feb 18th, 2009 at 2:22pm
Agreed Roger,

There are so many variables involved.  The intents and energies of each person involved (in your childhood episode, as well as any other outcome based event) must be factored in.

When prayer fails, there may be many reasons; the person's own deep down conviction may let disease or a bad situation progress.  Other factors such as the prayer group not seeing the patient as healed, not believing may be a factor.  

Ultimately, no prayer or healing is a guarantee of success on the earth plane.  However, when you see the process work, and really marvel at how the probabilities were changed, it is truly amazing how much power the intent of the human mind does have to change things.


M

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Beau on Feb 18th, 2009 at 3:21pm
I've just started reading this thread, but I really like it. Thank you for posting Matthew and everyone. I think if I were G.O.D. I would not talk directly to anyone but merely send hints and use a lot of metaphors so that their journey would be their own, but that's just me and as I found out a long time ago I am not God. My mother set me straight on that score while still very young...But it's all ONE baby. Great great posts!! Love it! :D

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by Berserk2 on Feb 19th, 2009 at 11:28pm
UPDATE ON THE SUICIDE ATTEMPT REPORTED IN REPLY #28 (p. 2)

Not only did the insurance rep walk in the door shortly after the suicide attempt, but Leah's Dad's blood alcohol level was still at 2.5 two days later!  His doctors said he should have died from such alcohol toxicity!  So I suspect that the answer to prayer involved both divinely orchestrated coincidence and a special healing touch.  

Leah's Dad always rejected organized religion.  When he was just 5 his own father was having a heart attack and asked his young son to fetch his heart pills.  But the youngster could not find the pills, and when he returned to report his failure to Dad, his father was already dead.  So the 5-year-old-son [now Leah's Dad] could never embrace a God who could put a little boy in such horrible predicament.  Now he has had a change of heart and has asked to see a minister.  Leah and I will probably drive to the rehab clinic in Idaho next week to visit him.

Don

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by juditha on Feb 20th, 2009 at 5:43pm
Hi Don I had really bad toothache and i put my hand on my mouth and prayed to God and asked if he could send his healing to me by useing me as a channel,my hands were getting really hot and i could feel the healing coming through me from God and the pain has gone,a few weeks ago my friend had bad toothache and i did healing on his mouth and he has not had any pain there since,also my daughter had  so much pain in her back about 6months ago and i laid my hands on her and asked God to use me as a channel and send his healing,my daughter has not had anymore pain,i also did healing on my little dogs leg and he was fine after that,so i feel that God is listening to me and also answers me as well.

Love and God bless    love juditha

Title: Re: Testing 1-2-3: God calling
Post by carl on Feb 21st, 2009 at 4:48am
Yes Juditha. I have spoken to a Reiki Master(Japanese healing energies and symbols)and he has told me that his hands get very hot when he's doing healing on some client.  The same goes for a group of pragmatic Christian Healers I've met also. A couple of them say they sweat profusely while performing the 'Laying on of Hands Ceremony'. Sincerely. Carl and Family




wrote on Feb 20th, 2009 at 5:43pm:
Hi Don I had really bad toothache and i put my hand on my mouth and prayed to God and asked if he could send his healing to me by useing me as a channel,my hands were getting really hot and i could feel the healing coming through me from God and the pain has gone,a few weeks ago my friend had bad toothache and i did healing on his mouth and he has not had any pain there since,also my daughter had  so much pain in her back about 6months ago and i laid my hands on her and asked God to use me as a channel and send his healing,my daughter has not had anymore pain,i also did healing on my little dogs leg and he was fine after that,so i feel that God is listening to me and also answers me as well.

Love and God bless    love juditha


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