Stupidly messing about on a quad (a small 4 wheel motorcycle like recreational thingy) last Sunday evening I managed to slip off the back to land squarely on the end of my spine. ( ::) don't ask why I've not learned better by age 52)

It was only a small fall, but I seem to have injured the disc in my lower back I had surgery on in the 90s. So far it's feeling a little better, but I'm stuck in bed on pain killers and unable to sit or stand. A scan in the next few days may shed some light on what I've done.

I guess I'm wondering what you guys feel the best method of bringing some higher healing to bear might be, and what the rights and wrongs  of seeking this might be too. It seems I've some residual attachment to motorcycle riding to drop....

The best way is to allow your physical body to heal and use your intention to amplify it (with visualisation or anything else that you want)....  and learn from it :)

Dear Vajra,

The herbal homeopathic healing Arnica is the most helpful pain antidote I've found in decades of searching. It limits pain and swelling, thus allowing your natural processes to recover. The gel works well since you can control where it's applied. There are also pill and cream forms. It's made from a wildflower.

It heals by ( re-)bonding the subtle bodies, so you might have to delay your OB work until you're no longer using it. No other side effects that I can notice.

And ask your Guidance to tell you what's best for you.

Be well soon, Dearone!

Bets

Hey there, so sorry to hear about your back, Vajra. I remember well the few spells I have had flat on my back with similar problems. Once, the upper back, then the lower. At one point, I never thought I would be able to sit cross-legged again. At another, I could not hold my head up.

It's an interesting process, moving through all that pain, building strength back into a weakened area of the body. It can also be very discouraging because it sometimes takes a while.

However, anything that happens to the physical body can be an incredible learning experience, in many ways.

I recommend lots of guided meditation to ease pain, along with any pain remedies you are using. I like Energy Walk, from the Monroe Institute, because it gives you healing energy from the earth, as well as a pain relieving technique. But anything will do, really, just to take the body/mind away from its own anxiety.

Let us know what you find out. I hope you are receiving enough support from family and friends. I found that I really was not, at the time. However, I didn't let that stop me from healing and feeling victorious!

And, because of my own determination, I can sit on the floor cross-legged today. That means a lot to me.

Sending loving thoughts your way, blink

Hi Ian, I'm working on it. have done some absent healing, better on the receiving end I am then sending it, but you know I'm going to do some work tonight for you.

forgot to tell you to feel grateful "before" the healing gets there. this speeds it up.

I've also emailed Rick, who popped my discs back into place about a year ago, to aide me tonight.

and I hope some forum members help us with this one, by sending a wellness thought or whatever they feel led to do.
hang in sweetie! have faith! love you!

Vajra;
Healing on the way..for the good of all; so be it.

With love;Romain

Thank you so much guys, your response has been so very generous and helpful. It seems like I'm far from alone in experiencing back problems - they can be so debilitating.

That said my situation is minor compared to that of SL's brother on the 'help' thread, please don't shift your attention away from him.

It's been an interesting 24 hrs since I posted. It wasn't initially my inclination to do so, but I wanted to share and explore some surrounding thoughts,  and how it's brought such a shift in vibe that time.

Trying to see the big picture there's as usual lots of happenstance around. Last week I spent quite a lot of time on ch 2.5 of ACIM which is quite clear that mind free of fear and the resulting conflicting beliefs and trusting in higher power is the route to healing - physical and other.

So then (lo and behold) it happened that I did the disc in my lower back on Sunday in a very moderate and unusual fall - by landing on my backside in probably the only way that could have done damage, and have been immobilised ever since..

I started the week having dropped into conventional bloody back, what about work, illness and hospitals/doctors thinking mode, but trying to 'see' a bit more in the situation the following emerged:

The 'accident' wasn't just that.
I'm a bit worried that there's a possibility I may have done significant damage to an already marginal back.
There's an ego attachment to bikes and the status being 'good' at them confers. (much of my persona/confidence as a younger guy was built from racing)
There's a lot of guilt as to the consequences for myself and others in there too.

My task around that lot I think is to ask for and open to higher assistance in resolving the injury, and more importantly in letting go the dodgy beliefs that led to my getting hurt. (again!) There's the possibility too though that something much larger regarding life direction, future state or whatever is in play.

Then an e-mail arrived this morning with this very good newsletter by the TAT foundation - with the main articles by Bart Marshall and Douglas Harding being on the very issue of aligning will and destiny. http://www.tatfoundation.org/forum.htm Another major happenstance....

Either way I'm looking for a miracle in ACIM terms - it also says that I don't need to and actually shouldn't try to figure it all out for myself, that it's safer to rely on spirit getting it right.

What a difference your efforts made last night. I did a couple of hours from this end too and then slept soundly all night. No noticeable change in it this morning though, although lots of light about and no pain at all when I got down a little deeper.

Which is fine except that then phone rang about an hour ago. It was the secretary of the doc who worked on it back in the 90s, I'd left a message on his phone a couple of days ago. He questioned the situation, said he wanted to bring me into hospital early next week to check it out in case there's anything needing urgent attention.

Which leaves me nicely hung between views, and wondering exactly what the lesson is.

Something about the call triggered a huge fluttering in my heart chakra. Don't know if it was simple fear, or spirit/my higher self reacting to what it could mean, or maybe even signalling that engaging with  conventional medicine is not a good idea.

Whatever it was it triggered a major flickering in the contact switched bedside lamp - the one I posted about before that's starting to look like it responds to energetic experience....

This stuff is so multidimensional, and multi levelled - nothing is ever quite what it seems.

:) The plan is to give the healing socks so that I can call him on Monday evening to say I'm fine, that it's starting to settle down...

Hi Vajra,

Are you saying you're considering going purely one way or another--either healing through faith and prayer  OR following the doctor's info?

It takes time to dissolve a bone chip, for example. No one wants you to endure problems while we prayer-'blast' the problem.

Is this some sort of test of trust in healing powers? I just took a big trust step for myself but I haven't got any measure of my healing abilities for others.  :-[   Good that Romain's really strong , as are the others.
OK, Ian, my prayers are on the way.

Bets

I'm not considering going one way or the other Bets. More that having started down the healing route this other option has surfaced and I'm not sure how to read it. Is it as you say a question of trust, or something else?

100% faith in the healing route would suggest I should cancel the investigative scan (to see if I've dislodged the metal and plastic bits put in ten years ago), on the other hand to know what's up would be good too. I'm certainly not planning treatment.

Not sure what's going on, but i could feel a definite surge of heat up and down my spine somewhere between 5 and 6.00pm GMT today and got a real lift in energy - that's only a short while ago.

So thank you to you all...

Hi Vajra,

was that near the time you posted on Still Living's thread?  ... "As you give, so shall you receive..."?

Call me a coward but I think the technological guy (surgeon/ MD) should be allowed to check the metal and plastic. Healers may revitalize life but can they/we deal with those materials?  (I don't know, am just asking.)

My most intense healing prayers for you were around noon  US East Coast time. Compared to the time you report that seems abit slow for these nano-bits, but maybe they have to go round up compatible energies to make any effect.  :-?
(I don't know, I'm just wonderring.)

Bets

We're 5 hours ahead of EST here (we're on GMT) Bets, which puts it more or less on the nail. I first became conscious of the heat at about 5.45pm - having just crawled to the bathroom and was resting   ::) on the tiled floor.

It was so pleasant (like having a ray of sunshine focused on it) and such a contrast to the pain that I almost fell asleep (kept dropping into lucid dreaming, but not making much sense), but it faded by about 6.10 at which point I set out on the return journey to my bed.

I'm a bit cautious about the time shown for my message to SL as the time shown  places it at 6.00pm GMT at which time I was above.

Think what the doc wants to check is in case I've broken or dislodged one of the plastic pieces he put in.

Please accept my thanks and appreciation again all of you (Romain, Bets, Blink, Alysia, Phantasy Man and others) - it's an amazing  and humbling to experience to receive such a caring response. It gets me quite emotional.

There's also the likelihood that I felt your influence.

What an incredible reality we exist within...

wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 5:30pm:

I first became conscious of the heat at about 5.45pm - It was so pleasant (like having a ray of sunshine focused on it) and such a contrast to the pain that I almost fell asleep There's also the likelihood that I felt your influence. What an incredible reality we exist within...

Vajra;
Don't worry too much about time..were timeless... :)

What a great confirmation you gave us; feeling of the heat. Like a ray of sunshine focused on it. ... 8-)
That the way it should be.
Thank you again for letting us know of the result.

With love;Romain

Ian, how are you managing to type at the puter?

I remember when I went thru the discs (two) out of place, I was crawling around on the floor, couldn't sit in a chair, so typed a "help" message to Rick on my knees.
I was sleeping on the floor because getting out of bed was too difficult.

so is it a good sign you can sit in a chair briefly?

btw, Rick worked with you last night..he told me he only got 3 hours sleep. Specifically, what I did was an energy dance where I brought PUL through my body and gave gratitude for YOU!

and I felt a welling up of this energy, and it told me all will be revealed why you are going thru this, it's because it's going to be over with, and then your consciousness will be stepped up.
you've been asking for this step up, it's just we can't understand why pain and illness is used this way.

It's ok to use medication and go to doctors according to ACIM.
I think you know this, I just hope the doc will not cause you more fear, due to him quoting "statistics."

as you know miracles of healing are outside the boundaries of statistics. I can see you are just seeing what's inside there, then you can make decisions how to proceed better. ACIM just says the ego promotes fear thoughts...so keep your center, you are only seeking information right now.

Bets, if Rick (with a nonphysical helper by his side) could pop two dislodged discs back in place, then if Ian has plastic out of place, that can also be fixed, if the mind can accept the possibility of that happening.

in my healing I had no choice of going to a doctor. I researched my condition, and it required minor? surgery as standard treatment.
I have no insurance, no money for expensive operations.
I would have just lain on the floor, and expired eventually, I'm sure, as I'm not afraid to leave..looking forward to it actually.

therefore my only option was to leave it up to Spirit, and Spirit told me that Rick loves me, he would do the fixing.

lol. later he told me, ah, I fix lawnmowers and computers, but this is the first time somebody asked me to fix their back!
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healing seems to involve a bit of "thy will be done" attitude, where you release all fears, and just say, ok, I'm open to whatever you want me to do dear lord..

I'm a bit prejudiced about going under a knife, as I've viewed too many medical mishaps from doing so..
on the other hand, ACIM says to go to a healer, medical or not, means you are "joining" with them for your healing.
and joining with a brother is what ACIM is all about.

Just don't let them frighten you with making a decision that is wrong for you. Good doctors who present to you what they know, without using force on you, is what you want to find if you go that route.

Heal the mind first. the body follows the mind. but don't feel guilty to include all sources of information and advice.

Ian, some Disappearance of the Universe, ACIM thoughts:

All healing is a result of some kind of forgiveness, and all forgiveness leads to self healing.

The acceptance of sickness as a decision.....(note: it's saying you have a decision to make)
of the mind, for a purpose for which it would use the body, is the BASIS of healing.
here we are told we have a choice, and we are using our will also.

this is interesting: page 301 "you don't choose cancer on this level any more than a baby chose to be deformed on this level. Illness was made by your mind at a larger level."

and this: "you never join with their bodies, when healing others. and you never ask the holy spirit to heal the body. The body, sick or well is just a dream. (I know the pain is really felt, ACIM is referring to your true reality is that you are believing something that is not true about yourself on this level only, and this sets up a pain reaction)

Heres how JC done it: The process that takes place in the relationship between patient and therapist is actually one in which the therapist in his heart, tells the patient that all his (sins, as errors) have been forgiven. what could be the difference, he asks, between healing and forgiveness. none.
and he used to say after a healing "go and sin no more."

change sin to error, and you do away with religious inference, that causes fear and unworthiness feelings.

also this: the son of man (us) has authority on earth to forgive sins. He did not just mean that He had authority, he meant that you also have that authority.

this is what the church did not want us to know. that he has invested in us his own authority.

let us know what happens for you further Ian, we are all going thru some serious changes right now, but we should not be afraid.

love, alysia

Ian,

I echo what has been said, and will direct my thoughts to you and your healing.  PM me if you'd like any conventional Western medical advice, as this happens to be an area I deal with every day.

Best Regards,

Matthew

On typing - unfortunately I can't sit in a chair Alysia - I'm using a laptop while lying in bed - if I get exactly the right position it doesn't hurt so much. That said it has improved in that the pain has reduced, but I'm still very definitely down to crawling to the bathroom, and sliding on and off the bed.

Please thank Rick for me, and my thanks again to you all for your work. As yesterday it's helping a lot.

Ego is difficult in this situation all right Alysia - I was stranded in bed for six months with no improvement before my last surgery, it makes it harder not to presume the worst.

Dropping beliefs and forgiveness feel intuitively correct, but it's quite tough to get deep enough to access the level. Which I guess in ACIM terms is the reason we need to surrender and let higher help in to make the miracle.

The plan for the doctor is to just get it checked out in case there's nerve involvement or something else that's likely to escalate in the short term, but the risk is that I get sucked down that route. It's such a fine balance. To adopt a 'no doctors' view on principle smacks a bit of pre-judging, but on the other hand to go that route implies  being too fearful to wait for a miracle, or too egotistical to handle the uncertainty.

The plan is to as you say stay centred, to not make any sudden calls and allow time for healing, and for some sort of knowing to arise as to what's the best course. `There's no point getting hung up on going for healing if not blocking it is beyond me at my present stage, but nor is panic a good move.

It really is all about healing the mind. The Doc is very conservative, he's unlikely to force or rush anything.

You've been very brave Alysia to take the no insurance route.

Thanks again to you too Doc.

:)

Sorry about your injury Vajra.

You probably heard about how I got over my back injury, but because you had an accident it might not seem that your situation relates.

Perhaps locked up energy was involved, and your accident loosened it up in a way where it became a problem. If this is the case, psychological/emotional issues could be involved.

I know a number of people who had back surgery with little success.

Perhaps your back just needs a little time to heal after experiencing some trauma.

You might meditate and ask for a visual image which tells you why you have a problem. Or, you might ask for a dream that tells you.  Doing so might help you determine if you have an injury that is short term and will heal, long term, or blocked up energy that got loosened during your accident.

You might pray for spirit help.

Hey there Ian, the more you describe it, the more it seems like the same thing that was wrong with me.
I have a slight misalignment of the vertebrae, a chiropractor once told me. maybe a nerve gets pinched inbetween those little bones...

it's hopeful that some slight improvement occurred, yet there must be purpose that we haven't seen full recovery, so it's got to be as you say, you are still working it, trying to access the deeper levels.

I think Doc has some news for you. He's a doctor. and I feel a very very good one.

I don't have much further to say about your healing, I'm just in a period of waiting for it, while continuing to keep faith as I know all things do pass away, including this kind of intense pain which can be so scary. You might also visualize a funnel over your crown chakra funneling in the energy to heal physical, through your mind's acceptance that u need no longer suffer this pain.

speaking personally, I don't like to talk about my occassional physical problems but it might help to share, so...

I'd really to see you being able to walk, not crawl to the bathroom.
I remember all too well squirming on the floor like a snake and laughing hysterically that I had too much pride to ask for help, before calling on Rick, which I was reluctant because I didn't want to put him out...
We don't have to think this way really. You are not putting us out, because we are all learning something with these public postings of this healing process, we can apply it to our own individual cases, so just so you know that http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/grouphug.gif and also Rick learned that he had healing capacity.

healers of this sort work in the astral body area, which is a duplicate of the physical body. what is picked up, the energy that heals, when the mental can ask and receive it (mostly in sleep state for me) is the adjustment occurs on this other subtle body. then because the physical is so closely aligned with this other body we have, the transference is made, and it was then I felt the popping taking place, even though I was asleep as far as the physical body was concerned.

still I smiled even in my sleep with a knowing.  I have even seen some strange healings like this take place in a video, where astral healers literally reached in with this other body's hands, pulled out cancer lumps with absolutely no going under the knife.

rare, but another one of those miracles we look at.

a month or so again, I was lifting a TV and started to experience that familiar soreness returning..I know about the panic that reaccurs that this something I might have to learn to live with the rest of my life.

I know another healer I called on this time, a gal in Hawaii whom I do dream interpretations for, is also a healer and author.
she worked me through it and it only took a few days and it was entirely gone, although I suspect the constant rubbing of the vertebrae when it slightly protrudes against the cartiliage is what causes the pain and soreness...I mostly had to work on my mental acceptance of this pain...was I giving in to seeing myself as susceptible the rest of my life, as this creature with a weak back?

yes I was feeling like a victim to circumstance, so I changed my mind, but still we must ask for help.
whether it's the doctor or the holy spirit, we are brought to our knees and the issue is trusting, that what we believe about ourselves, is what will outpicture....I simply couldn't believe I was a victim to this.

However, though I am healed, my back does not give me any further problems, I do not lift TV's anymore, as I'm certainly not going to try to be wonder woman! I mean, no sense getting over confidant http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/pray.gif

just remember we are spirit in a body, not a body in spirit. you'll get past this and probably stay off motorcycles or else be very very careful to ride one.

I probably could have lifted the TV with my leg muscles instead of the back, but I was a dummy. something to forgive about myself.
forgiving is very important as the first step.

ok will leave you alone, I'm a bit of a nag. you may see me hanging around you nagging. but we're friends so that's ok

let us know... http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/meditate.gif

what R says about blocked energy resonated with me also Ian.

it's said somewhere all illness and pain are traced to blockages, where for example, heart attacks happen sometimes with blocked arteries, as the physical example; on the mental example we can be blocked as well by a belief we have that we somehow must suffer because we have done something wrong.

frequently, since you work with ego concepts, you know the ego voice will say you did something wrong.
it might say, oh, smarty pants, riding a motorcycle was trying to recapture that wild feeling of being young again...whatever..I liked the motorcycles too, but I only putted on mine, still, gives you a freedom feeling you were seeking perhaps...don't let the ego mislead you, it's mind chatter we have to deal with to get to the level of the healing to occur.

hate to rant on this forgiving principle but it's happened too many times that I had to forgive myself before I could be healed.

yes, ask for dream info. or a guide, or read this and look into my eyes and believe every word I say! lol.  love ya!

Ta guys, it doesn't feel like nagging at all - more like being uplifted. I'm going to ask for guidance as yourself and R say Alysia. It's necessary to really grind this stuff fine while at the same time staying very light to get the view right.

My back has been a chronic issue from my 20s R, but I hurt it on a MX bike in the 80s, and had surgery about 10 years later. There's definitely something hanging around by way of a blockage in me, but so far I've not figured what it's about. Thanks for the advice.

To be honest it's not natural for me to post publicly about this sort of stuff. But I wasn't clear where I was on it, and thought that it would be helpful both for myself and for others if I put it up publicly.

It's really brought into focus this tension between fear and opening that arises all the time in our lives in less obvious ways. (actually to stop dictating what we egotistically think is the fix, since  spirit won't act while you oppose)

It's hard to trust, to surrender, to stay wide open while at the same time not grabbing for a solution. To let it find its own flow...

Ian, I think u said something to look at closely here: It's hard to trust, to surrender
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Ego hates to surrender, but if u do, it leads to greater fulfillment of your purposes for the entire life journey, the way I see it.

Greetings,

Vajra, you said:
"To be honest it's not natural for me to post publicly about this sort of stuff. But I wasn't clear where I was on it, and thought that it would be helpful both for myself and for others if I put it up publicly."

Vajra, it's good that you did post. Your situation is a big part of what motivated forming a new forum on Healing. (See Index.)  ::)  I'd say thanks but that seems a bit sadistic.

As always, the experiences that get shared here help more than just the posters. We can all learn from each other in many ways.

Be well soon, Ian!

Bets

:) Happy to be the prompt Bets. Feel free to shift this to the new forum....

Hi Vajra,

I don't have that capability to shift this, but thanks (I think) for thinking I had any such ability.
...but maybe you could start a Part II thread on the Healing Forum ?

Sending you healing PUL, friend!
Bets

Ta Bets, will do when I have more info. It's improving slowly, so keep up the good work everybody. I struggled into a standing position for a few minutes yesterday with a bit of help from a rail. Once there it actually isn't too bad at first, but the pain fairly quickly intensifies. When lying flat it's down to low ache.

I'll be off the air for probably a few days from Tuesday as I'll be in hospital for that scan.

let me know about that piece of plastic I saw after your scan, please, I am curious....