http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0801/0801.0337.pdf

Thats a lot to take at once, but it makes sense. Its a little scary though.

Mr Jonnethon,

Yeah weird stuff.  If you liked it, drop a eye on My big TOE.  A doctor in physic with amazing traveling ability!  It gives amazing knowledge!

That article is the single best source I have ever read on the subject. I have always had a tendency to look at the world that way and that guy makes me feel the point is as close to proven as anything else.

It doesn't have to negate the anything we discuss in here at all. In fact, I think it greatly enhances it. We serve a purpose. I'm sure of it, but our existence outside this "plan it" is still sketchy to me. Logic for me says we definitely do live on and the article seems to indicate that we are just so much Super Mario in the end. I think the same entity that created the boot up is the one we seek or maybe we seek the creator's creator. It's a wacky question, but this article is worth a read. Bravo!! I say. thank you very much.

Beau

Hallo All,
Thanks for that link, PhantasyMan, a very interesting paper. I second all the above. PhantasyMan is right, Tom Campbell in MBT (My Big Toe) assembles all these concepts, and takes them a stage further based on his own non-physical explorations (which go back over 30 years, starting out with Bob Monroe). In essence, that the VR that we call our physical reality is created by, and out of, a vast digital consciousness network, as part of the evolution of that consciousness into a more organised state (physicist-speak: "lower entropy", what we call "love"). As bits of that consciousness, we're all in it together, striving to approach that love state (or should be), and when we ditch our VR bodies, we carry on evolving within the many layers of the consciousness One, or come back for more VR learning. And as Campbell emphasises, we can all access the wider consciousness network (non-physical, from our perspective only) by becoming more love-like and using the techniques many here are so gifted at.

It's all fascinating stuff, isn't it?!

Best wishes,

Alfred

I wonder if this has anything to do with a theory I always had that we are just the creation of what evolution of our species would one day allow us to do. Like somewhat of a "time repeats itself" process only the species are always different and the events in the world are always different. I don't know. It's all pretty mind boggling to me. I don't see the point as to why our conscious has to be raised and we have to figure out all this stuff on our own. Why can't we just know? Or why do we have to actually break a barrier in our mind? Ugh. I think I need a break. But my curiosity always gets the best of me.

As Bill Hicks said so famously, "It's just a ride". Some are here to learn what works and some are here to learn what does not work and some are just here. I don't think it's about moving towards love, but moving towards understanding that lowers the entropy. With love comes all that need to heal everyone and create a kinder gentler world, but I think it is the scariness of C1 that attracts us to it. The more we understand it the less scary it is and we move on, but that understanding will never come from fear of it or from love of it for that matter. Understanding is the balance point. Taking note of the mechanics that bring experience about is where the learning comes into play.

I spend time on Campbell's board and I was excited to read his books and they certainly spoke to me that virtual reality seems most probable, but I find his information to be a bit too heady much of the time. His best reckonings are his simplest ones. I don't need to know all the infinitesimal reasons why things are as they are with the rendering and the big computer and the even the big cheese he fondly speaks of. I just want to know how everything affects me and how I affect it. I suppose I had to go with Campbell's plotline to get where I am now. I wouldn't say I advanced beyond it by any means but I think I'm holed up in the middle somewhere waiting for the next Ah Ha moment.

Yours,
Beau

So they were striking some big chords with the movie The Matrix.

And as someone who really enjoys video games and pays attention to their creation, this concept really shows itself off. At the way things are progressing, there are some games where I start to wonder if the artificial intelligence could reach a point where I feel a sense of morality about the characters. There are games which build vast open lands complete with people which live and decide not strictly based on programming but complete random acts that even the developers can become surprised watching.

I don't see it taking that much longer to create games that could simulate very closely our life on Earth, and even humans can do that with computers...its not so inconceivable to imagine something doing that in a biological way.

As I remember the only "danger" Campbell sites to thinking of The Matrix movie as a model is to think that outside the matrix is another physical reality based on the same physical laws as the matrix itself.

Yeah, I don't think that at all. I really see the virtual reality idea as more of an analogy. It's a great way of explaining things and finding explanations for science, but there is still much to address in our questions. The whole "beginning and end" thing makes the head swim because we will always question what made that, or where did that start? We still have many questions much like we did as toddlers and I'm starting to gain an understanding that our human minds are possibly incapable of some knowledge.

Like, we can keep pondering all this stuff but the true answer for us would be the equivalent of trying to explain quantum physics to a three year old. I think maybe there is some knowledge our brains cannot possibly handle, no matter how much we theorize or try to prove. And those big questions are the ones which remain with us in death and only then at that complete state of being where our full mind capacity and power is restored can we begin to understand the universe in all of its glory. It's more surreal than we can fathom.

Or maybe not, and we can find the truth in our current minds. Either way, we can't deny that our world and our life compared to what we know is the single greatest achievement and remarkable creation of any being whether cognitive or incognitive.

Stone, you might try doing more reading and less writing here and video game playing.  The Monroe and Moen series of books and Tom Campbell's "My Big TOE" will give you much more material to ponder than this site and in a more organized fashion.  That can either confirm, change or expand some of your ideas or all of the above.  Like Beau, I don't accept any one set of beliefs or ideas offered by one teacher, writer or commentator, but rather explore and see what works for me.  However, reading a number of authors in this area is very valuable in that process.