This past weekend the New Living Expo took place in San Francisco. I debated with myself about going and I decided to go because perhaps I might meet somebody.

This expo is a new age expo with a number of isles with booths, lecture rooms, and many people walking around. The odds of running into somebody you know are slim.  I was at the expo for a short period of time, and I ran into a lady I know. She was a co-member of the guru based group I've spoken about before.  Until this past Saturday it had been about 18 years since we've seen each other. I've wondered about her because while with the group we were close (not in a romantic way), in the past couple of years she has appeared in a couple of my dreams, and while looking at event photos of a false guru's group, I saw that she had hooked up with another false guru.

Anyway, after running into each other we talked for about two hours. She said that she left the guru I mentioned above, after finding out what he was about.  She also said that before getting involved with him, she was involved with another false guru. After being involved with three false non-dual gurus she decided she had enough. She said she was tired of thinking of this World as nothing but an illusion.  In her words, she realized that both the feminine and masculine aspects of being are a part of reality. She also realized that we don't need gurus who are supposedly infallible. None of us know everything.

At the end of the conversation I spoke of the synchronicity involved with our meeting each other. I shared a story that illustrates this principle. Years ago one day while still a member of my old group, I was riding on one of San Francisco's underground street cars. Two ladies ran into each other that had been playing phone tag. I thought it was interesting that they ended up running into each other in such a way.

Next I started thinking about a man who hadn't been at a group meeting for over a year. I wondered what happened to him. The streetcar I was on arrived at my stop. I took one step off of it, and I heard a man say: "Hello Albert." It was the man I was thinking about. He was about to board the streetcar I was existing. I figure my meeting him right after thinking about him was more than a coincidence.

I shared this story with the lady I ran into, we exchanged telephone numbers, and I got up so I could see Mellen-Thomas Benedict give a talk. After walking for about 15 seconds I ran into another lady I know. This lady worked as a temp at my office for a short while. One day I went to an art and wine festival in the woods, and right as I was entering into the festival, she was leaving the festival. We stopped and talked for a short while. On two other occasions I ran into her at a Whole Foods store. This latest occurence, well? This lady has recently become interested in spiritual matters.

Later at night while in bed I asked for confirmations that these meetings were arranged by the spirit World. I received a couple of confirmations that they were.

Recoverer,

Strange that you bring up coincidence/synchronicity. Just today, I was reading a book that subject that went into great depth.

I believe it has something to do with time dilation/shrinking. I will go and read more and add to your thread later.

alan

Cool, Recoverer!   :D

I recall the days when sometimes a synchronicity would be troublesome,
a 'what in the world was that about?' kind of thing.  ;D  

Now I respond to them like someone had just offerred me a comfortable chair
and lemonade, from which I get the feeling I'm being well taken care of.   :)

Love, Bets

Perhaps it also relates to what Bruce Moen wrote about the planning center. I also believe that our spirit guidance can urge us to make certain decisions, so people will end up meeting each other like I met up with the two ladies I met up. The second lady, it seems like spirit guidance has been trying to get me to hook up with her for a while.  For what purpose, I don't know.  At the time I have only one spiritual friend that I meet with physically. It would be good to have another spiritual friend or two. There are other people I know, but I need to be careful about what I share with them.

:)
R said:
" The second lady, it seems like spirit guidance has been trying to get me
to hook up with her for a while.  For what purpose, I don't know. "

Well, there's one way to find out.
Or you could also ask your spirit guidance, but if it's anything like mine,
some things it will not say, it requires learning by experience.


Bets

Betson:

I agree. There are a lot of things my spirit guidance won't tell me. I ofen learn more trying to figure things out myself, even though I make discriminative errors at times. A baby doesn't learn that it hurts to fall down until it does so. :'( :)




betson wrote on Apr 28^th, 2008 at 4:27pm:

:) R said: " The second lady, it seems like spirit guidance has been trying to get me to hook up with her for a while.  For what purpose, I don't know. " Well, there's one way to find out. Or you could also ask your spirit guidance, but if it's anything like mine, some things it will not say, it requires learning by experience. Bets

Recoverer,
in my experience, and with that of clients who come to me for "guidance", i would say that spirit guides help organize a lot of synchronous activity.
they know who you need to see and what you need to experience, partly because you've discussed it with them prior to birth and while obe at night, and partly because they can read your subconscious mind, if they're in the mood to do so.

in my opinion, when you re-meet folks you haven't seen for years it's because you have various kinds of karma to work out, and you're being given another chance.  that's why it's good to be open to the vagaries of experience.  You know, just let it happen and be in the moment.
And yes, there is stuff they won't tell you, definitely.
gordon





[quote author=recoverer link=1209401815/0#5 date=1209414840]Betson:

I agree. There are a lot of things my spirit guidance won't tell me. I ofen learn more trying to figure things out myself, even though I make discriminative errors at times. A baby doesn't learn that it hurts to fall down until it does so. :'( :)

You know I enjoy hearing about these kinds of "chance" happenings, Recoverer. I'm so pleased for you, especially because you made the additional effort to go to this event, and also because you made the additional effort to make the communication meaningful for everyone.

love, blink

Gordon said:  :) they know who you need to see and what you need to experience, partly because you've discussed it with them prior to birth and while obe at night, and partly because they can read your subconscious mind, if they're in the mood to do so.
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Hi all. I've been curious about these invisible connections with unseen presence's for I suppose all my life, when as a child I needed to lean on what I would call God, although even then, I believed in angels, as my mind conceived of helpers as angels.
I've been running across a few opinions that it's wrong to say "my guides told me this, or I was directed to go here or do this," because the suggestion seemed to come from another presence. I even had trouble getting an article published due to the editor didn't understand the reference to guides I made in the article.
I feel in a way, this is bias when people react this way, in the same way, if a child has an imaginary playmate, the parents try to get them to "grow out of it."
Who's to say the so called imaginary playmate is not a little spirit buddy, who agreed to be a companion for the child, knowing the child would need this, and this before incarnation?

I know when I was small I had absolutely no one to talk to. Most of my family totally ignored me, so such a child would have to talk to God, it being the only anchor in a world where it seems totally separated from others and no love to be glimpsed.

Love would be the anchor in this world then. Regardless of what guides are, or angels are, or what God is, we all have a need for direction and purpose which love gives.

To my perception, having guides or helpers is part of the Oneness conception, that we are in this all together, either helping or hindering each other in the pursuit of happiness. Therefore if someone has a guide, as a friend of mine, has even got a name for his guide, given to him in a paranormal experience of unmistakable association and emotional consequence. because he needed to know he wasn't alone.

Indeed, he was not alone and directionless.  Im just ranting, because what's it to another if his guide tells him where to find a parking place? and what's it to another if he wants to share that helpers are real, and not just attachments or an indication of being scitzo whatever.

I've thought about what helpers and guides are a lot. for instance, what do u suppose happens when you yourself dies?

are u going to start doing your usual 9 to 5 routine? Are you going to make coffee first? Are you going to eat? are you going to go put gas in your car, are there gas stations in heaven?

what I'm trying to say is don't pick on people who have guides as deluded, because when you do finally transition, you will find many many of us choose to become someone else's spirit guide simply because it's a loving action, not a selfish action at all, and we don't work a 9 to 5 job over there on the other side, it's totally unnecessary to have such routines of employment, and becoming a sort of social worker on the other side is a valid and uplifting occupation.

They, the guides, to my perception, often pose as your intuition. So, you think you thought of a brilliant idea all by yourself?  Think again! they can insert a thought into your mind if it is to be included in your spiritual growth and they are acting as helping you this way.

the fear around guides is that you may be attracting a negative entity, what is called an attachment or a Neg.  But is this fear a reason to negate ALL guides and helpers and not be happy you can get help?
not talk about it because it's not normal?

what is normal? I just feel bad for my friend who has been aided by his personal guide because nobody understands, or there is fear surrounding the idea someone is getting a larger slice of the cake.

We really are one in the sense of being able to receive help from the invisible world. Some guides only show up once in a life time. these are passing helpers, there for everyone in their designated area. some of these helpers are physical, and are obe-ing as helpers.

Others have simply permanently left their bodies as in transition. They are people just like u find on Earth, and may have or not have soul connections with you.

then another popular fear is do you have discernment of your spirits? well, lol, that's simple enough to figure out on your own. the first rule of thumb is to simply ask "who are you?"

then ask What are your intentions? No matter how impressionable you may be, your head is your space that you live in. No one has the right to come into your house uninvited. If you really believe this, it becomes a matter of demanding respect from unannounced visitors. There's no fear then. thats what discernment is. Just ask.  another friend of mine was recently approached by such a negative person who was demanding something of him..my friend simply said, "I'm busy right now." I'll get to you when I have more time.

thats discernment. he didn't say "get lost." he said simply "not now." these negs are people, not something dredged up from a make believe hell.

You will know true guidance when they deliver boost. Its a love feeling, pure, undistorted, friendly, unconditional love energy, so in short supply in our world, you'll think you just won the lotto.
you will know and not be able to pass on your knowing, that we are all One and we love each other, we just forgot to laugh and play and express it.

::)  hey I hope I didn't ruin R's thread...good thread lead btw. thanks.

Alysia:

I believe what we are all saying on this thread, is that we have some very loving friends in the spirit World. I do believe it is important to be careful, but we shouldn't let fear be our guide and prevent us from making a connection to our marvelous friends. I don't know where I would be if I didn't take such an approach.

Regarding receiving help from our spirit friends rather than learning by ourselves, as Gordon and I already stated, our spirit friends aren't going to provide us with more assistance than we need. They always have what's best for us in mind. Plus, there are all kinds of ways we receive help in this World: Friends, pets, books, inspiring television shows and movies, etc. Why leave our spirit friends out of the loop? It isn't like the spirit World and physical World are actually seperate.

I also view this matter from a service perspective. There is spirit work such as retrievels I take part in that I wouldn't be able to take part in if I didn't open up to making contact with my spirit friends.

exactly so R. I agree. another perspective of the opposite viewpoint is that somehow a person could become overly dependent on such guiding messages.

an example is the criminal who said voices spoke to him to do the deed. this is where discernment is lacking in that life. or the person has come to be dependent on this voice within false trust.

I study forensics sometimes, so thats why my questions arise how this could happen. I think perhaps the answer lies in "you will know them by their love." as applying to guides or friends on this side of things, as yes the other nonphysical dimension and this one are One and the same, but not all of us can see this clearly is so, yet.

I do not see life as having been alone; it seemed that way, but only in appearance wise. so learning by myself does not seem ever to have been a reality, but a facade for a purpose.
footsteps in the sand analogy. I agree guides do not overwhelm or force anything.

Truth can only come to those prepared for it, in that sense. the human enacts  patterns of behavior, more or less in degrees; for instance to study the extreme antisocial behaviors is to study the potential of the mind to become distorted with certain accepted beliefs.

the good news is I do believe (another belief!) the more humanity is in agreement that a thing is so (the world is round) then this can be proven that the power lies in the unity, to change things for the better (shine light into the problem, whatever it is)

this means to me, fear can used to get to the truth, if that makes any sense, and is not giving power to the fear itself thereby increasing fear.

I want to repeat this great dream vision I had regarding facing off with self made fears.
you probably know I regard all fear as an illusion. as something with no substantial basis. It's better than stuffing it by far.

ok, lol. this was so funny at the same time. I don't remember any guidance factor; the dream itself was the guidance.

I was being chased, many years ago, a recurrent dream of a hideous monster chasing me to kill me I suppose. I fled for my life through some area of space, astral areas of pure emotion but where form also existed.
I remember thinking, oh darn, this is getting so tedious. I do this all the time. How come this bugger never catches me? What would really happen if I let the monster catch me?
At least I could stop repeating this scene, then I'll either die, or find something out, but for sure I must end this repitition of running away, where death seems certain.

Ok, if I stopped to think, the monster got closer. The only way to keep it at bay was to run faster! Ha!
it actually got so close once it breathed on me neck.

Finally I got far enough ahead of it so I could take a breath myself and think things through. I decided I would rather die than keep running.

Wow! this is when everything changed. now I see this as my emotional nature as controlling me and I decided I'd rather die than be cowardly and repeat, I suppose, life after life of running from fears not faced.  ok, the best part is coming and some of the oldies, I apologize, I repeat stories of significance to my spiritual growth.

I don't recall feeling anything then but this total lack of fear to die rather than run forever from something that never caught me. So the only solution was to let it catch me even if I died on the spot. it was the only way to end my suffering of fear constructs.

a lot of us don't know fear is a type of suffering; they just accept fear as normal expression.
this gives me a small clue about doing retrievals and the deviant mind study also. because PUL must be projected into the circumstance of the successful retrieval.

No, I didn't project love into my self made monster. Indeed, didn't know I had created the thing.
Not yet. So Miss ready to die simply stood there waiting for it to catch up to her.

lol. The monster rounded an astral corner clipping along at great speed to find it's victim, it was totally not expecting it's victim to be standing there. I looked closely at its face, once so hideous. Instead of hideous it began to morph a little into a cartoon figure. It was funny because it also was conscious of "being."  Even though self created, I discovered later, it had a certain "I am" consciousness.

sort of like the idea thoughts are things and have form.  It ran up to me as if it had roller skates on, screeching to a stop it said "I thought you wanted me to chase you??!!!!"

Then oh god, it got this really sad look on it's face as the monster knew it's life span was over and it was what had to die then and be no more with purpose. It's only intention and purpose was to chase me, but never actually catch me. It didn't want to die!
I actually felt sorry for it. incredible, I feel sorry for my own dying creations, as ugly as they may be.

I didn't get a chance to explain much to my creation that I just couldn't do the running bit anymore, as it started to dissolve in front of me, still with that severely disappointed facial expression of cartoonish proportion (it looked like a gorilla with a larger than normal head, sharp pointy teeth hanging over lip, lol, very hairy and scraggley) all it knew was it's life consisted in my agreement with it, that it continue to chase me night after night. When I broke the agreement it died.

all this is to say dreams are sometimes much more than dreams, but can actually explain human psychology, as I'm not the only one to have such a nightmare as this. alot of us have chase dreams.

It's true though guides will let us keep our fears until we can face them and watch them dissolve as non reality.

thank you again for your thoughts R. I should get off the internet now. lol. I just feel like blogging today. love to you all! we be shifting..... :)

ps. anybody out there recall an incident of squaring off with something scary either here or there or anywhere? and how it changed your life?

thanks for the read.

It's been so many many years since I had a "chase" dream, but you have jogged my memory. I recall, as a child, dreaming that the comedy sitcom friendly Frankenstein character, Herman Munster, was chasing me around. I was just a little kid, but I could actually feel him "breathing down my neck" much as you describe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Munster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Munsters

Oh, yes, here's an add-in I forgot. I remember his hands on my neck. He was actually Catching me. It was your worst nightmare. That moment when the monster reaches out and GRABS you!

His fingers touched the back of my neck. Oh, my god, have I Ever repressed this horrible memory! It's all coming back to me now. I've done a great job of forgetting lots and lots of things, as I'm sure we all have done.

His fingers touched the back of my neck. They were slippery, as if they were covered in motor oil, or something nasty.

It was terrible. I was running as fast as I could.

THEN:

I also remember a conservative-looking woman who somehow "managed" the situation. I link this previous "monster" image in the dream to the next that followed (this is all one dream), that of this woman who took me and put me into this small corral-like structure, just kind of a box with no ceiling. I could see right over the top but I could not get out.

Hmmmmmn. Sounds a little like a playpen for a little child, doesn't it?

Anyway, this dream scared the heck out of me....and repeated several times.

Another time, I dreamed of a city like New York in which the buildings were falling down and people were running in the streets. I wondered about this dream all my life because it was so life-like, and I was so young when I had it. I had never seen anything like it, and never did again, until 9-11. That was like my dream.

So, I don't really know, which way it all flows. But I have a hard time distinguishing dreams from reality.

I have to agree with you, Alysia. Fears must be challenged, then you move right through them as if they were never there. Seems like, in my dreams, most of the time, just lots of nice friends out there. It's true enough. An occasional chase, but these days I tend to have less patience with them.

So sorry, I am very off topic now. Oh, well, thanks for that!

love, blink

I believe a times comes where a spiritual person needs to overcome whatever fears he or she might have about unfriendly spirits.

I've had numerous experiences with unfriendly "entities." I say "entities" because some of them could've been creations of my own mind, some of them could've been created by my spirit guidance for learning purposes, and some of them could've been unfriendly spirits.  The key factor is that as time passed by, I found out how safe I am. Even if an unfriendly spirit comes along,  as long as we choose love and light, we should be okay. This has been shown to me in numerous ways.

Of course we need to keep our discrimination alive so nobody will be able to fool us. My feeling is that if we have pure intentions and won't listen to negative suggestions, regardless of where they come from, we should be okay.