From Saturday to Sunday Apr 19th 20th I had this dream:

I was in my room at my parents' house, no one there in the house but me. I looked at the floor and there were some very small children, as long as a hand maybe. I had the impression they've got their education on the street and I felt threatened by them. I zoomed nearer and found one was about to steal two pens of mine, I could see exactly which pens it were, and took them back from the kid. So I got some of those kids and put them out, closed the door. There was at least one left whom I watched from the corner of my eye, he (I think it were all boys) was lying, but when I want to grab this one I found only his cloths were left, so he had fooled me and certainly must have been still there somewhere. Then I opened the door of my room, and how silly I had been! I had put them out, but only into the hall, and the door to the living room was opened, so they probably were still in the house. Then the physical alarm-clock beeped and I awoke.

I really felt threatened and had fear about that.

Spooky

Hi Spooky,

For me it looks strait forward.  Those kids are mental fragments (or thought forms).  This energy "separated" temporally from your consciouness for some reason (I would guess something related to education) and feed on you (stolen pen).  I think the stolen pen represent an ability that was reduced when this energy separated...  

We use pen to write our thoughts in a clear and logical way...  It could mean something else, if you use pen for drawing for exemple.  


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were left, so he had fooled me and certainly must have been still there somewhere. Then I opened the door of my room, and how silly I had been!

It makes me remember when Bruce talks about belief system territories (hell?):  People get fool, play tricks to get your "most precious".  

I often observed this pattern in my own dreams.  Your dream is not that bad, it gives you observations about what happen in your consciousness so you'll be able to meditate on it and retrieve these smalls aspects that are lost.

Spooky:

My guidance sometimes uses little kids to represent aspects of myself. They represent the lower childish, "me me," egotistical side of myself. In order for the creative aspect of our selves to be, various possibilities need to be a possibility. Sort of like, you can't know about humility, without knowing about arrogance.

I've found that as I've tried to live more according to love, the childish aspects of myself have rebelled. They want none of it.

One time I was shown the mirror I use to shave, and it was broken into about a thousand pieces.  I received the message: "You needed to be an exception." What this means is that there are parts of myself that people often leave unconscious, that had to become known to me in order that I could deal with them. Layers of suppression get removed. Perhaps this is why those children were in the hallway. Perhaps it has become time for you to deal with them.  

The good news is that they don't have more reality than we give them. That's why there was only a cloth. There isn't anything substantial to hold onto.

The house probably represented you. My guidance often uses houses and cars to represent "me." The things and people that can be found within such a house and car, represent aspects of myself.  In a way it is kind of a joke. My guidance doesn't consider me to be a body, and makes this fact known by representing me as either a car or house. There have been times guidance has represented me with other things such an airplane or a boat.

Hi PhantasyMan and Recoverer,
thank you very much for responding.

I actually have dealt several times with "parts" of me, some appeared as other/past lives, some as semi-personal aspects, and some as traits. I, so to say, brought them to rest, at least I thought so. After a little while of relative peacefulness, unwanted emotions and related issues came back. It is like ending a cure too early, before the infection is entirely drained.

 In fact, it is like something within me is rebelling. I can get easily angry about things I can't change/aren't worth it. I take it as symptoms that I'm not balanced, that something is not right. As well, I know for quite a while I have fears influencing me, fears of loss, of getting hurt, overpowered, or treated unfairly.

 What makes me tired is, I can't seem to be able to find the right way to get these things straight. It's like those little sneaky children, they hide from my attempts to get rid of them (or reconcile), like dangerous insects hiding in your clothes. Maybe it's just a matter of time, I don't know. Practicing "letting the negative things go" seems to be a slow, but promising method though.

 This all makes me think of attachments. Isn't it the fundamental problem? To care about the loss of something/someone, and the resulting feeling of threat/fear. From this, for me it seems to be an alluring perspective to end all these complicated attachments, but this seems to be very difficult as long as I am living as a person. Actually, when I try this in meditation, I reach a fear barrier which seems to say: "If you move beyond this threshold, you will end your existence (at least the physical existence)".

...but no one said it's easy, right? :-)

Spooky

Spooky:

I've provided some thoughts below within double quotation marks.


spooky2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2008 at 8:26pm:

Hi PhantasyMan and Recoverer, thank you very much for responding. I actually have dealt several times with "parts" of me, some appeared as other/past lives, some as semi-personal aspects, and some as traits. I, so to say, brought them to rest, at least I thought so. After a little while of relative peacefulness, unwanted emotions and related issues came back. It is like ending a cure too early, before the infection is entirely drained. ""I've noticed that my limiting thought patterns have been dealt with in layers. I deal with one, and then it becomes time to deal with another one.  Energetic blocks have occurred in the same parts of my body more than once. Each time for a different issue. Each time an issue is cleared, energy can flow more freely through this area.  When our energy isn't able to flow freely, things can seem unbalanced. Using Bruce's lingo, consider how our interpreters work. They respond to stimuli according to our relevant psychological conditioning. Sometimes parts of our conditioning are suppressed, until we are ready to deal with them. When such aspects come to life, they become a part of our interpreters loop as it creates our responses to stimuli.  Sometimes our own energy moving around can cause our interpreter to do so.  In my experience, my higher self/guidance brings up hidden aspects according to when I am ready to deal with them. We can cause such aspects to come up prematurely if we engage in certain types of energy work. I went through a period where I meditated three times a day. Sometimes for as long as two hours. I would do this while my kundalini was running. Things became a little hairy for a while. My spirit guidance said I brought things to life too quickly, and I would have to go through an adjustment period.""  In fact, it is like something within me is rebelling. I can get easily angry about things I can't change/aren't worth it. I take it as symptoms that I'm not balanced, that something is not right. As well, I know for quite a while I have fears influencing me, fears of loss, of getting hurt, overpowered, or treated unfairly. ""I won't say that I never become angry because this isn't true. I've learned to minimize my anger and not go too far with it.  Here are some key elements to dealing with it: 1. Afirm to yourself how important it is to grow spiritually, and when challenging situations come up, make a point of remembering how important it is to grow spiritually and not let challenges get the best of you. 2. We are provided with an ego essence for the challenges and learning opportunities it provides. It is never truly us, just something we make use of for a while, like this physical body. 3. Reflect upon moments when you have become angry, and realize how it is never worth while and usually not justifiable to do so. 4.  The next time the urge to become angry arrises,  without trying to immediately figure out the particulars of the situation, bring the anger to a halt on the basis of what number 3 revealed to you. You can go over the particulars later on. 5. It also helps to see how things work out for other people who become angry in an unnecessary way. 6. When you become angry, consider how there are so many people in the World who have it much worse than you. I've found that when I reflect in this way, it is hard to take my self pity seriously. Related to this, reflect upon how much grace is in your life. For example, the fact of  how you are consciously spiritual. :) 7. Because you are spiritual, you know that everything will work out wonderfully in the end. 8. Make a point of trying to live according to love as much as possible. When you do so,  you can deal with anger without having to engage in suppression. I'm not suggesting that certain occurences in the World won't cause you to become angry. For example, when many people are caused to suffer because of what an irresponsible World leader brought into existence. ;)  However, dwelling on such anger doesn't accomplish anything. It just adds to the negative vibrations in this World. Regarding fear, I believe our ego essence is programmed to become afraid of just about anything.  We need to learn to not listen to it. Prove it wrong often.  What really helps is for one to see that the spirit being one truly is, can never be harmed.  It also helps to make a spirit connection to light beings we can trust. One thing that's helped me get over my fears is to use a note pad and pen. When we are confused about something it is hard to think about all of the thoughts that relate to a fear clearly. When we write all of the thoughts down, they are all there for us to consider. Plus I've found that writing helps me connect to my higher self. It provides the space.  I usally write down these thoughts in the form of a list. After writing the list I'll go over each item and intellectually make certain that each point is correct. It helps me make certain that I have been honest with myself, and this helps clear away uncertainty. Next, I'll try to feel how each item on the list is true, and release as much of the unwanted thought pattern as I can. Sometimes I'll need to go over a list several times before it has an effect. I'll go over it at different times. My spirit guidance has also helped me tremendously with getting over my fears. Partly by creating various types of experiences.""  What makes me tired is, I can't seem to be able to find the right way to get these things straight. It's like those little sneaky children, they hide from my attempts to get rid of them (or reconcile), like dangerous insects hiding in your clothes. Maybe it's just a matter of time, I don't know. Practicing "letting the negative things go" seems to be a slow, but promising method though. ""It does take persistence. I've had moments where I would become frustrated and would wonder, am I ever going to overcome this thought pattern? In a way it is good that it is this difficult, because if our thought patterns were less solid, we would be a different person from day to day.""  This all makes me think of attachments. Isn't it the fundamental problem? To care about the loss of something/someone, and the resulting feeling of threat/fear. From this, for me it seems to be an alluring perspective to end all these complicated attachments, but this seems to be very difficult as long as I am living as a person. Actually, when I try this in meditation, I reach a fear barrier which seems to say: "If you move beyond this threshold, you will end your existence (at least the physical existence)". ""I'm not certain what you mean by the last sentence. Perhaps you mean it in a no time context. When we are human, we tend to experience everything on a moment by moment basis. Perhaps when we move beyond such a way of thinking, we become one with our eternal truth, and experience our entire history in a flash. This should be okay, because we'll wake up to the moment where everything is perfect for everybody. Perhaps you mean that you need your body based identity in order to exist.  I believe the key to overcoming this is to find how security, knowledge, completeness, purpose, happiness, peace and love are truly found.  The more we can see that these are never found by being a body based person, the more we will be able to let go of false limitations. Regarding meditation, I've found that what works best during meditation, is to tune into a feeling of love and inner peace as much as possible, and then examine a thought pattern that limits us while in this state of being. Often when we see beyond the pattern that limits us, we'll find that our meditation becomes deeper. Sometimes we have to examine a thought pattern a number of times, before we finally overcome it. "" ...but no one said it's easy, right? :-) ""If someone says it's easy, this someone probably didn't take the journey."" Spooky

I agree, Recoverer,

Especially with the layerings of these things.  It seems like the same issue but it gets attached somehow to other issues and has to be treated again! aargh!  I don't think it's a step backwards to deal with it again, just a new facet of the same lump of coal.

Maybe due to my background, I find that appealing to God,  or some really high spiritual authority perhaps, takes a bigger chunk of the issue away. If we have issues that developed during another life, I wonder if we would need to appeal to the Supreme Being of that period, regardless of what spiritual path we are on now.

Hi Spooky,

What's that theory about the simplest answer often being the best one?--What if you had a bad experience on the school playground (or etc) and these little buggers represent those kids?
Could you distract them with cookies or some other non-angry diversion and see if that makes them dissolve? Tee hee :D

Bets

Thank you again, Recoverer,
your advices are indeed valuable. They make me feel that there ARE ways, and that there is progress possible. It's like with retrievees who are locked in a thought pattern, then the retriever cuts in, intersperses an idea, which then is taken by the retrievee to use it as a gate into another, better consciousness-place.

Bets,
 there was, I think, not one special occurance in my childhood, but you are right insofar that I actually feared other children when I was very young. So I guess my mindset was first, then some fear-related situations with other children happened, which then have amplified/consolidated those fears. So, I could use some scenes of my childhood as example for present fears. I only have to ponder, following Recoverer's advice, if I'm ready for it yet.

Spooky

Hi Spooky just to add what was missed by reading the dream, the children (something not grown up yet) were put in the hallway, then you seemed to blame yourself for not closing the living room door, so they could come back into your house of consciousness.

the blame or guilt, makes the same thoughts circle back in. so from this you deal with the fears, which are related also to a guilt feeling that you put on yourself, because you did not close the door.

this is all to say, no reason really to should on yourself. the dreams are really a blessing, sort of in disguise. as a lot of people don't remember dreams in order to use them for personal growth.

the guilt feelings will say that you did something wrong and punishment will surely follow. What stands out for me in the advice offered here is the remark nothing can really hurt us, and so we are dealing with an illusion of harm, illusion alludes to something that has not happened yet, and probably won't, as the act of being aware of it, means it has slipped from the subconscious into conscious awareness (they came in from the street)

then the pens are a symbol of communication was my other thought, but since you retrieved the pens communication continues.  

well now we know Spooky not the type to run a daycare! I did that once. it will make your hair gray overnite.  :)

Hi Alysia,
thanks for your tips. Yes, to have a look at everything what could be guilt and related things surely is good. My acting in the dream was just silly, not logical, and in fact, I hate being this!

The last days I calmed down more, and I feel better. Everything just slow, and not worrying too much.

Quote: "well now we know Spooky not the type to run a daycare! I did that once. it will make your hair gray overnite."
  Definitely, that would be too much for me!

Spooky