Hi went to the spiritualist church sunday ,the medium came to me and said to me you have got a mirror upstairs and i said yes i have the mediun said when you look in that mirror your dad will show himself to you i was really excited about this knowing that i may see my dads spirit i have been looking in the mirror so far nothing has happened but i am going to keep looking until i see dad ,i love my dad so much i miss him terribly he was a wonderful ,loving funny man i will never forget hin ever ,the medium said so many other things about dad which was spot on it made my day love deanna

deanna, have you seen your dad's spirit yet? I believe that mirror gazing is an interesting activity, and I have tried it, but in a dark room, and it was a little strange. Anyway, I am interested to hear what you might discover.

love, blink

I wonder if looking into a mirror is a good approach.

deanna,

I think this is called scyping/skyping, where the mirror must be misted up and you dont look directly into it but sideways until an image appears in the mist of the mirror.

I will look it up and report back

alan

Deanna dear,

I found it here is the correct method, I believe it really works with practice.

How to make a Scrying Mirror

by G.W. Fisler

     Scrying does not have to be an expensive undertaking.  The price of a lead crystal sphere is outside the price range that most of us are willing to pay.  This is especially true for someone new to scrying who is not yet sure of success.
 
    Nostrodamas is credited with seeing the future in a bowl of water that was colored with ink.  This and other low tech methods are ideal for someone who wants to try his hand at scrying without a heavy investment.
 

    The method that I prefer is a scrying mirror.  One of these can be constructed for less that five dollars.  The first step is to buy a picture frame.  An oval frame is ideal but any other shape is acceptable.  Try to find a frame that has some aesthetic appeal for you.  Frames may be found in many of the “dollar stores” that seem to be popping up
everywhere.  The frame must have a glass insert and not a plastic one.  Now on to the construction.
 

    First, disassemble the frame.  Clean one side of the glass with your “Scrying Mirror Cleaning Solution” (i.e. Windex).  Paint this side with a thick black paint.  Oil based enamel seems to work best.  I prefer the gloss black but matte black will work well also.  Apply several coats of paint until light will not pass through the glass.
 

    At this stage you may paint designs or symbols around the edge of the frame if you are artistically inclined.  If not there is a variety of frames with designs already on them.  The choice is yours.
 

    Next, assemble the frame with the painted side of the glass to the inside. The thicker the plate of glass, the “deeper” the mirror will appear.
 

    A method is needed to hold the frame at a shallow angle to the vertical.  Some frames have a leg on the back that will do nicely.  Trimming the bottom of the leg will adjust the angle.  An alternate method is to use one of the display stands that are used for collector plates.  Varying the size of the stand will increase or decrease the angle of the frame.  These are available at craft stores or those stores where “America shops”.
 

    An alternate method of constructing a scrying mirror is to use a clear crystal plate.  Paint the back side as described for the picture frame.  With this method I recommend covering the painted portion with felt or some other heavy material.  This will help protect the paint from being scratched
or scuffed off.
 
Go into the bathroom mist the mirror and look at it at an angle until the vision appears. But  you can do it in any location without misting, preferably in a darkened room with enough light to view the vision when it appears

    You are now ready to begin scrying.  Good luck and clear visions!

The method I used called for a completely dark room, no light whatsoever. I didn't actually ask for helpers during this activity, which might have been reassuring.

I had to overcome my initial instinctive fear while looking into the mirror because I felt little afraid in this kind of isolation. However, I had several very positive, interesting experiences this way. Nothing negative actually happened to me. In fact, upon completion of what I considered a successful trial I had the impression that I had received some very loving energy.

Of course, after being at this site for a while, it is clear to me that it is actually unnecessary to use any props at all in order to have an experience. But, why not, if you feel like using a different method?

I look at it as one big experiment. At least this is a place where you can freely report your experiences rather than trying to explain them to people who don't understand what you are doing.

love, b

This morning I received a message about Deanna and Juditha.  Before they read it, they should realize that it was symbolic, not literal. I was told that they are getting their legs cut off. I didn't receive any more information, but I got the feeling that some of the mediums they speak to might be giving them false information.

I believe there are some genuine mediums, but it hard to know if the mediums you are speaking to are trustworthy. Perhaps Deanna and Juditha should trust their own resources rather than what a medium says.

To tell you the truth, whether it works or not, it seems to me that the mirror method is ridiculous. Probably right up there with ouija boards.  I believe that Deanna and Juditha would be much better off to pray to God, Christ and the other beings of love and light that are assigned to help them, and be patient with the information they receive.  If we become overly anxious and use questionable methods to figure things out, we might make a mistake.

Robbie, the kid for whom the movie the exorcist was loosly based upon, ran into problems after messing around with an ouija board. Other people have also run into problems playing around with ouija boards. The mirror method might be the same. Why in tarnation would a light being like Christ make contact with people through something such as an ouija board or mirror technique? It is much better to try to make contact through one's heart while feeling love and reverence. Be patient!  Trust that the beings of love and light who look out for us will provide us with the information we need.

Trust Christ, not some freakin mirror technique.

Why such fear-based thinking? There is no need for that, Recoverer. It is completely unnecessary, in my own personal opinion.

Deanna and Juditha are capable of making their own decisions about what works for them, and when.

However, that is all I will say on this subject, now and forevermore.

b

Blink:

I was in touch with divine guidance when I received the message. While receiving a series of messages I received the message about Deana and Juditha that I received. When you suggest that my thinking is fear based perhaps you are suggesting that my guidance is fear based. My guidance includes Christ. Are you suggesting that he is a fearmonger?

I believe that my guidance was being sensible. My feeling is that when one makes contact with divine guidance, one should do so with love, reverence and humility.  If a divine being wants to make contact with us one will do so without resorting to something such as an ouija board or mirror technique. When one takes part in such a technique one tries to force the issue. Should divine guidance be required to respond to such efforts? Who knows who might answer instead.

Deanna and Juditha draw strength from the fact that they have love, reverence and faith for God and Christ.  Their feet are firmly planted on the ground when they turn to such divine guidance. If they get involved with something such as a mirror technique which could lead them to making contact with just about any spirit, they allow their legs to be cut off.

You can tell from my posts on other threads that I don't believe in satan based demons. This doesn't mean that there aren't any unfriendly spirits who try to deceive people. It is quite naive and uninformed to suggest that there aren't.

It isn't a matter of being afraid. It is a matter of being discriminitive.

If you believe that nobody should make suggestions to Deanna and Juditha, then perhaps you should delete all of your responses to them and hope that they don't listen to the mediums they speak to.





wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 1:56pm:

Why such fear-based thinking? There is no need for that, Recoverer. It is completely unnecessary, in my own personal opinion. Deanna and Juditha are capable of making their own decisions about what works for them, and when. However, that is all I will say on this subject, now and forevermore. b

Recoverer, this isn't even Juditha's thread. I responded to it because Deanna's question was ignored for days. Now you suddenly develop an interest in it, so that you can tell these sisters and anyone else who is reading it that your guidance warns them both in a graphic way that Christ is the answer. Of course you have the right to an opinion, but anyone can see that your opinion holds an extreme bias within it.

There is no reason why you cannot suggest that turning to Christ for an exchange of love and guidance from the heart is a good idea. I would never tell you that is not true.

However, I think that planting these kinds of negative images in their minds is questionable, whether you received them from "guidance" from Christ or otherwise. It is also obvious that your reply was not well-considered. There was an emotional residue contained in it.

These are not accusations. Just observations.

But, this thread is not about you. It is about mirror gazing, and contained an element of curiosity that I believe should not be trampled upon.  So I'm done.  Really, I'm completely done.

b

Blink:

Forever more.

Deanna and Juditha:

All I can say is that before I make contact with spirit guidance, I always pray to God and Christ. It does not insult my sensibilities to reach out to them. I've had a number of experiences that let me know that Christ is there for me. It is up to you to decide whether Christ loves you so much, he asked another person to pass a message to you. Nobody is trying to cause you to be afraid.  I am just letting you know that Christ is so much there for you, you don't have to rely on some method passed on by a medium.

Oh, I guess you're right, Recoverer.  I must not be done yet.

Beautifully said, what you just said. That would have been perfect. Except that the bias is still there. "Some method" given by a medium.

Are you sure that you interpreted this message correctly? It seems to me that if you had just transmitted THE MESSAGE (I am not yelling but cut out all the interpretation and what do you have?) without the biased interpretation, we could have avoided this entire discussion.

If you will notice, a good medium does not try to interpret the message the way that you did for another. They simply extend THE MESSAGE to the other.  That is loving.  To interpret THE MESSAGE the way that you did needlessly and pointlessly insults another human being whom you do not know.

It is very difficult for me to say such things to you so directly, but I urge you to use caution. The only reason I have continued here is because I can see very clearly that you are trying so very hard to do the right thing and to communicate effectively.

So stop talking about it and do it.

b

well hmm. I love Blink and R both, and sisters Juditha and Deanna, as budding intuitives, or we could call them budding sensitives and leave off the tainted connotations surrounding the word itself Mediums.

We are all Mediums. In that we can all receive our own guidance and messages, in so many different ways. One of my best friends uses tarot cards. It's not the Tarot itself that speaks. it's the frame of receptive mind which taps into the answers each of us has access to.

If I can draw these two opposing viewpoints together a bit. maybe I'll try. When my friend pulls out her deck of cards she is merely preparing her mind to collect some data. Whatever she receives will be colored by her own mind.
There will be protection from negative entities if the medium ask for protection, and also for the highest good to occur here.
Using a mirror, or skyping is a bit like preparing the mind to concentrate on being receptive.
So, in his way, R is saying just be careful and ask for the highest good to occur.

For instance Deanna, your father may not be available to come at the same instance that you ask him to come. He might be busy, but if on the 3rd time you try it, he may come.

Since you have a PUL bond with your father, you will automatically know in your heart if he has come or if it is a trick of some passing entity. Since you are studying mediumship, you may try a lot of different techniques as you go along and so R is being a worry wart again. Yet he is saying something fundamentally true that the girls will not be needing a mirror someday, it is just a method right now, in order to get to the realization that they no longer need to skype.

I hardly think that legs being chopped off is a fitting image to give these young girls though, just from looking into a mirror. I admit I get frightened myself looking at my own image in the mirror, but the point is it can be used also to concentrate mind energies and come to the conclusion, YES! we CAN talk to our family members on the other side and we can do that using any method we wish.

I mean, that's gruesome R.

hi Deanna, I personaly don't think it wise to stare to long into a mirror. I think it tends to introvert a person. No offence ment by this ... I don't think that you or your sister need any help in introversion. You are both great people but I see a tendancy to look for the reasion for everthing. Sometime you just don't need to know. Look outwards and you will see what you need to see. Now is still the same church that you have been going to for so long? I have said it before and I will say it again. There are some in this church that are not looking out for you and your sisters best interests. By always looking inwards you may do yourself more damage than good.You will find you Dad in your heart and by expressing your love for him. Not in a mirror.
All my love to the All of you
Joe  

I just assumed the medium was playing a 'Zen' joke on Deanna - ie,  look in the mirror and see your father, you know - your Father, your Real FATHER - by looking at yourself, seeing God in the form of Deanna.

Afterall, the human father, much as one may love him (or pehaps in some cases, not) may have been at one time a son, brother, husband, or many other variations in form. All those relations change and shift while Who remains the real Father throughout it all?

Besides,
wouldn't it be easier and simpler to just look at a photograph of him?

- u

Hello Alysia:

Comments below within double brackets:


LaffingRain wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 4:20pm:

well hmm. I love Blink and R both, and sisters Juditha and Deanna, as budding intuitives, or we could call them budding sensitives and leave off the tainted connotations surrounding the word itself Mediums. We are all Mediums. In that we can all receive our own guidance and messages, in so many different ways. One of my best friends uses tarot cards. It's not the Tarot itself that speaks. it's the frame of receptive mind which taps into the answers each of us has access to. ""In my first post about this matter I wrote that I believe there are genuine mediums. However, certainly some are fakes, and some get message from who knows what spirits."" If I can draw these two opposing viewpoints together a bit. maybe I'll try. When my friend pulls out her deck of cards she is merely preparing her mind to collect some data. Whatever she receives will be colored by her own mind. There will be protection from negative entities if the medium ask for protection, and also for the highest good to occur here. Using a mirror, or skyping is a bit like preparing the mind to concentrate on being receptive. So, in his way, R is saying just be careful and ask for the highest good to occur. ""I'm saying such methods aren't necessary if you want to make contact with beings who represent the light."" For instance Deanna, your father may not be available to come at the same instance that you ask him to come. He might be busy, but if on the 3rd time you try it, he may come. Since you have a PUL bond with your father, you will automatically know in your heart if he has come or if it is a trick of some passing entity. Since you are studying mediumship, you may try a lot of different techniques as you go along and so R is being a worry wart again. Yet he is saying something fundamentally true that the girls will not be needing a mirror someday, it is just a method right now, in order to get to the realization that they no longer need to skype. ""Going by posts they've written, it seems to me that Deanna and Juditha have had more than their fair share of unfriendly spirits. Why get involved with a technique that might attract them? I believe it is "bad advice" to encourage them in such a way."" I hardly think that legs being chopped off is a fitting image to give these young girls though, just from looking into a mirror. I admit I get frightened myself looking at my own image in the mirror, but the point is it can be used also to concentrate mind energies and come to the conclusion, YES! we CAN talk to our family members on the other side and we can do that using any method we wish. I mean, that's gruesome R. ""Please don't kill the messenger.  I was in contact with a being who radiated love and sent other messages when the chopped off legs message was sent. I've found that my guidance doesn't have a problem with being firm and to the point with its messages when this is what is required. It isn't concerned about meeting somebody's standards of PUL.  If it is a mistake for Deanna and Juditha to be overly accepting of what mediums have to tell them, then this is the case. My feeling is that a medium who is worth his or her salt would've know about Juditha's love of Christ, and not refer her to a mirror based technique. Another factor is that my guidance doesn't pass on meaningless messages to me. This was a message that was given to me to pass on to Deanna and Juditha. I would've done so privately,  except that it is hard to have a three way conversation via PM. Plus the message seems to relate to the topic. Perhaps I've made a mistake when I posted it publically.""

I think that it is also important to mention that the longer we all spend talking about the pros and cons of various methods and messengers, the less time we spend actually communicating with the spirits we are talking about. Most people who come here seem to have a burning desire for encouragement and real hope. When we spend countless hours discussing these kinds of trivialities, those people go hungry.

Hungry for the very thing that Ultra just mentioned. An understanding of the Bigger Picture of who we really are.

When people are truly tired of divisiveness, it will end. The method DOESN'T MATTER.

What matters is that the hungry people get what they need. You, me, everyone. But, now I'm getting riled up. Thinking about hungry people.

Time to go within....

Here are the possibilities:

1. I'm lying, I didn't receive a message, I just made the whole thing up for whatever purpose.
2. I'm deluded and hallucinated the message.
3. A deceptive spirit sent me the message for whatever reason.
4. A light being was communicating with me, but for whatever reason this light being decided to send me a false and meaningless message because this is what light beings like to do at times.
5. A light being did in fact send me the message, and did so with the purpose of getting me to pass it on.

I for one believe that number five is true, because sooooooooo many things have let me know that I am in fact in touch with light beings, and they wouldn't provide me with a message without having a meaningful purpose for doing so.

If somebody wants to tell me that I shouldn't pay attention to such a message, then I might as well completely stop communicating with spirits who represent the light, because what is the point of my receiving messages if I'm going to ignore them?

I'm also discriminitive and humble enough to realize that light beings do exist that know "much" more than we know down here in the physical World.  This has been proven to me in many ways. I'll act like I am as wise as them, only when I get to the point where I live according to love and light to the same extent that they do so.

Blink said: When people are truly tired of divisiveness, it will end. The method DOESN'T MATTER.
_____

that's my point too Blink. Deanna and Juditha are however, drawing our comments to them, because they have made many posts regarding the negative things that happen in their spiritualist church. So in a sense, they need to hear these different viewpoints so they can get clear on these matters. My opinion, they attend this church because they either learn it's where they belong, or they learn that it's not where they belong and make new decisions. In the end, it's totally up to them and I hope they get some guidance from us to help them. I draw no inference that they are in the wrong place; whatever church one attends (I don't) you will find misinformed people, it doesn't matter the denomination.

I was led to post up something about images we receive in the mind and how I created a negative situation by passing on exactly the image I received as literal.

I saw a man raping women, and the women were so dumb, they didn't even know they had been raped but accepted this punishment as their just due.

Since the person I had seen doing this was a friend, I passed on the message not knowing why else I should be given this distasteful to the max scenario but figured he should know this, what he did to women and then he would stop this behavior and I would be the heroine to create this good that occurred.

I should have studied the images closer and studied my friend closer before I drop a bomb on them of this magnitude. Several years go by and I discover he was NOT literally raping women. He was emotionally raping them by making them feel badly. Like if they had a heartache. He might say to them "pull yourself together and stop being so wimpy." or It's your own fault, you brought your troubles upon yourself.

So the image shown of legs being cut off is too extreme to share. It should be interpreted more gently.
Just as I shouldn't have assumed the guy was literally raping women physically.
and then to say, I am Christ inspired, is to say Christ is directly speaking through you, therefore Christ cannot possibly be speaking through anyone else. it's egotistic to say it that way, may arouse dissention, which it already has.

Rather, would we all like to be Christ inspired and share your truth with you? sure. I can see Deanna and Juditha being Christ inspired also.

Maybe Blink, this conversation is important to get to the PUL.

In a way, if you read this whole thread you can see the connecting point being made Deanna, the mirror is an experiment only. if it works, I'd like to hear about it.

R thinks whatever you do do it from Christ, higher purpose only, have patience, you will meet your dad again at some point in time.
Deanna was expressing her love of her father. This we should have commented on.

Deanna, I did not have a father like that. You are blessed. I never even met my father. I can sense your love for him makes you want to try this method.

So let her try if she wants. it won't hurt nothing to try. Ask for protection, you will have it.

my philosophy as per the teachings from this very board: there is no bad, there is no good, all just is.
addition: R, I'm sure your message was right on, I'm not trying to make you defensive, I think we are all blowing this out of proportion to the original poster's idea. I think she was merely trying to express her desire and hope of meeting up with papa again and we took off on our own tangents, and your bias does often raise it's head here, although your intentions are good.
For instance, you do not recommend the ouiji board either. I don't either.  However, how do you explain that I was brought to remember Christ directly through an ouiji board?
So what I'm saying it's also possible Deanna will have a good and valid experience through the mirror.

as I consider the legs being cut off thing again, it's also possible the message meant that there are forces working against the two sisters in that church, this occurred to me that there are factors in their church which seemed to me very spiritually immature, but it also occurred at the same time, that anytime in my life I was within a bad situation where the cards were stacked against me, it would also turn out to be a triumphant turning about of circumstance for my spiritual growth, and so even if there are some downright nasty folks in their church, we don't have the whole picture what they are learning to overcome. and if it turned out I was in the right place after all, I can say they are in the right place to learn also.
and the nasty folk? guess what? Christ has them under his thumb too.

It may not look that way, but I'm sure we are all in this thing together and theres a divine plan we don't see all of it at the same moment in time.

don't get in a knit R, I like the way you talk of Christ love. U just sound a little righteous sometimes. heres a kiss  :-*

Relating to what Alysia just wrote:

I didn't write that Deanna and Juditha will literally have their legs cut off. Such a message could also be a way of saying one could lose one's groundedness if one isn't careful.  

Regarding the following from Alysia: "and then to say, I am Christ inspired, is to say Christ is directly speaking through you, therefore Christ cannot possibly be speaking through anyone else. it's egotistic to say it that way, may arouse dissention, which it already has. "

Didn't I suggest on this very thread that Deanna and Juditha refer to their connection to Christ rather than to mediums who say things such as stare in a mirror? Haven't I written that when it comes to how some channeled sources misrepresent Christ, people can pray to him and find out for themselves? Haven't I said on this forum a number of times that people can make a connection to Christ and receive his assistance? Doesn't it seem possible that part of the reason I've spent so much time writing about Christ is because I expect that others might also be interested in receiving his guidance? You make it sound like it's a mortal sin to receive guidance from Christ. What a twisted way to view things. There is no person in this World who will ever stop me from speaking about how Christ has helped me. I would rather be stoned to death.

You suggest that others might be inspired by Christ. Was Blink inspired in such a way when she was disrespectful towards the message I passed on? Clearly she assumed that either 1,2,3 or 4 from the below choices is true. Other wise she would not had been so quick to attack what I wrote. It seems clear to me that she didn't take the time to think about what she wrote, nor did she show the consideration to consider why I shared the message I shared. Dissention? Sometimes people need to look at themselves.  I simply tried to respectfully communicate a message I received.

1. I'm lying, I didn't receive a message, I just made the whole thing up for whatever purpose.
2. I'm deluded and hallucinated the message.
3. A deceptive spirit sent me the message for whatever reason.
4. A light being was communicating with me, but for whatever reason this light being decided to send me a false and meaningless message because this is what light beings like to do at times.

Recoverer,

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This morning I received a message about Deanna and Juditha.  Before they read it, they should realize that it was symbolic, not literal. I was told that they are getting their legs cut off. I didn't receive any more information, but I got the feeling that some of the mediums they speak to might be giving them false information.

"I was told that they are getting their legs cut off"

Man!! this is vague and could mean anything or nothing, it is worse than the mirror method you object to. However, I agree with you about mediums in a darkened room who fish for information before giving a message eg, there is an old man standing next to you wearing a hat. To which the gullable victim replies , "THAT MUST BE GRANGPA HE WAS OLD AND WORE A HAT"

alan

Recoverer, you are an expert at fabrication. I was perfectly clear about what I was objecting to in your statement. It has not been addressed by you at all, and I could say exactly the same thing you did about "disrespecting" my own message to you.

Why is it so very important to you that others validate your source? So important that you would tolerate this kind of dissolution of a thread which you held NO INTEREST in before I replied to DEANNA.

There has been so much said here in the absence of Deanna, who seems to ever be "lumped together" with her sister as if her own experiences are not worthy and valuable on their own.

I think it is incredibly disrespectful to Deanna for this kind of ridiculous argument to occur. I'm sure this is the exact kind of activity that disrupts and upsets them both. I'm sure it happens all over the place.

Deanna, I apologize for being drawn into this. I sincerely regret it.

blink


recoverer wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 6:15pm:

Relating to what Alysia just wrote: I didn't write that Deanna and Juditha will literally have their legs cut off. Such a message could also be a way of saying one could lose one's groundedness if one isn't careful.   Regarding the following from Alysia: "and then to say, I am Christ inspired, is to say Christ is directly speaking through you, therefore Christ cannot possibly be speaking through anyone else. it's egotistic to say it that way, may arouse dissention, which it already has. " Didn't I suggest on this very thread that Deanna and Juditha refer to their connection to Christ rather than to mediums who say things such as stare in a mirror? Haven't I written that when it comes to how some channeled sources misrepresent Christ, people can pray to him and find out for themselves? Haven't I said on this forum a number of times that people can make a connection to Christ and receive his assistance? Doesn't it seem possible that part of the reason I've spent so much time writing about Christ is because I expect that others might also be interested in receiving his guidance? You make it sound like it's a mortal sin to receive guidance from Christ. What a twisted way to view things. There is no person in this World who will ever stop me from speaking about how Christ has helped me. I would rather be stoned to death. You suggest that others might be inspired by Christ. Was Blink inspired in such a way when she was disrespectful towards the message I passed on? Clearly she assumed that either 1,2,3 or 4 from the below choices is true. Other wise she would not had been so quick to attack what I wrote. It seems clear to me that she didn't take the time to think about what she wrote, nor did she show the consideration to consider why I shared the message I shared. Dissention? Sometimes people need to look at themselves.  I simply tried to respectfully communicate a message I received. 1. I'm lying, I didn't receive a message, I just made the whole thing up for whatever purpose. 2. I'm deluded and hallucinated the message. 3. A deceptive spirit sent me the message for whatever reason. 4. A light being was communicating with me, but for whatever reason this light being decided to send me a false and meaningless message because this is what light beings like to do at times.

deanna wrote on Apr 14^th, 2008 at 7:49pm:

Hi went to the spiritualist church sunday ,the medium came to me and said to me you have got a mirror upstairs and i said yes i have the mediun said when you look in that mirror your dad will show himself to you i was really excited about this knowing that i may see my dads spirit i have been looking in the mirror so far nothing has happened but i am going to keep looking until i see dad ,i love my dad so much i miss him terribly he was a wonderful ,loving funny man i will never forget hin ever ,the medium said so many other things about dad which was spot on it made my day love deanna

ok lets start all over. This is a topic that Blink so kindly wanted to answer, so that it would not be sitting there all alone with no answer. Therefore, she was coming from PUL, or the kindness to take the time to respond.
Above, Deanna says a medium told her to look in a mirror and she would see her dad. now, how in the world can we make something evil out of this statement?
yet somehow it happens. so read on carefully what Deanna says next and look for the PUL in her post, and you will find it. she describes her love for her father. This is PUL. Notice it. Now at the end notice she says that the medium was spot on about her dad. Now notice what else she said IT MADE HER DAY!

________

R, did Deanna ask for your opinion? or was she just sharing some PUL here? Did she ask anybody their opinion about whether she should look into a mirror? No, she was not looking for anything but to share her love and excitement that perhaps she would make contact with someone who is most likely already around her, and may even have placed this thought into the head of the medium who told her the message.

what right do we have to assume the medium is a bad one? We don't even know her.
Deanna most likely won't respond to her own thread now because it has been ruined, it was not her intention that all this disquiet be generated. In my opinion she was simply thinking we were her family and we would understand and share her hopefulness of contacting her dad, which is her right to try, without receiving a SERMON!

So I would admonish we don't offer advice unless someone asks for it as a sort of general rule, then we can talk about something else.

R, what gives with you? You talk about PUL but you come off like an evangelist.
Just know Christ is for all and may be speaking through a butterfly for all you know to your next door neighbor. I heard it from him, he has no favorites and will speak to anyone through the open heart.
This makes the atonement a done deal. You also come off angry. You don't need to do that here. We are SHARING, not preaching to one another, but learning from each other. at least it would be a good idea.

and you didn't read my addition where I explained what I thought the cutting off of the legs referred to.

Blink:

Put yourself in my situation.  You've been in contact with spirit guidance for a while and you know this guidance is very loving and doesn't send you messages without having a reason for doing so.  They send you a message about two people you know. It is clear that they wouldn't do so without a purpose. You post the message, and then somebody without considering who you received the message from and without knowing about the validity of the message, plays interferrence and gets in the middle of the message.  How would you feel if this took place? Wouldn't you consider it inappropriate for this person to discredit the message of the spirit being who sent you the message, when this person doesn't know what the spirit being you received the message from is about.

You say that you apologize to Deanne for being drawn into this, yet if you would've considered the above before you decided to play interference, this thread would not had spread out in the manner it had spread out.

You responded to the message I shared not according to the knowledge of the being who provided it to me, but according to your own personal prejudices. You just won't admit that there are misleading people and spirits out there that should be questioned.

Alan:

I simply shared one part of the message I received according to how I received it. The rest of the message came in a manner that is more easily shared in the manner I shared it.

Man it is a mistake to share messages on this board. People are so quick to judge without knowing the facts of the situation. I will make a point to not share a message I receive about somebody publically again.


Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 6:36pm:

Recoverer, Your Quote Quote: This morning I received a message about Deanna and Juditha.  Before they read it, they should realize that it was symbolic, not literal. I was told that they are getting their legs cut off. I didn't receive any more information, but I got the feeling that some of the mediums they speak to might be giving them false information. "I was told that they are getting their legs cut off" Man!! this is vague and could mean anything or nothing, it is worse than the mirror method you object to. However, I agree with you about mediums in a darkened room who fish for information before giving a message eg, there is an old man standing next to you wearing a hat. To which the gullable victim replies , "THAT MUST BE GRANGPA HE WAS OLD AND WORE A HAT" alan

Deanna and Juditha:

The below is for you decide, not Alysia.  As I said, regardless of how it troubles some people, I know for a fact that I have a spirit connection to Christ.  He didn't identify himself on this occasion by showing his image as he has on several occasions, but the love and presence I felt is the same love and presence I've felt when he has identified himself with his image.  I have come to know that Christ has taken responsibility for my spiritual welfare. I figure he'll do the same for anybody who asks with humility and sincerity.

If you consider it offensive for one person who loves and respects Christ to pass a message from Christ to two other people who love and respect him, please let me know.
 
It seems to me that Alysia and Blink think I'm a liar. If not, they would never ask a question as Alysia asked below. Judge for your self. Pray to Christ and ask him if I'm a friend.

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R, did Deanna ask for your opinion?

Alysia:

What gives with me? If I actually did receive a message from Christ to pass on to Deanna and Juditha, would there be a need to ask such a question?  What are you saying?

1. I didn't receive a message from Christ, I am deluded or lying?
2. I did receive a message from Christ, but messages from him don't matter?

Hi there,

I think the responds to Recoverer are far over the top. He just shares what he got in a neutral way and leave it to everyone's opinion if he's right or wrong.

About methods: To suggest to someone a method to make contact to someone in the nonphysical, and adding what will happen can have some benefit, but a downside as well. The good thing is, it is likely to get results, the not so good thing is it's not clear what kind these results are. In a spary and cautious way, this method is used by TMI and Bruce as well, as with all guided meditation and imagination and pretending methods, "priming the pump", being optimistic and placing intent, that is. It depends very much on the specific suggestions, and on the viewer, whether the viewer has enough distance to it to maintain control about the filtering of delusions, suggestions and the meaningful "true" perceptions. Some methods, when not very well conducted, seem to leave too much space for all kind of unwanted stuff, as poorly set up ouija sessions and such.

Spooky

Hi recoverer blink and alysia hawkeye and alan

thankyou for writing to me on this subject i value all your opinions you are my friends ,i havent seen my dad yet in the mirror i was really hoping to if only for a few seconds it would mean so much to me ,i have seen dad before but not in the mirror and he looked wonderful i loved that man with all my heart i think of him most every day ,the reason i believed this medium was because she said so many things about my dad what were true ,i get messages from spirit myself for different people and i always pass these on because spirit want me too ,their is definitley an afterlife i have had so much proof of this ,i,m sorry if i made you all argue ,never meant to love deanna

You didn't make us argue Deanna. thanks for coming back!  :)

recoverer wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

Alysia: What gives with me? If I actually did receive a message from Christ to pass on to Deanna and Juditha, would there be a need to ask such a question?  What are you saying? 1. I didn't receive a message from Christ, I am deluded or lying? 2. I did receive a message from Christ, but messages from him don't matter?

Remember when you said keep to the love no matter what happens?
we should remember those words now.

Deanna dear one,

Eyelid visions

You dont even need a mirror to get this type of beautiful vision of your beloved father. What I do is before going to sleep concentrate on the subject and often clear picture appear like a movie screen onn my eyelids.

love

alan

R

How can this be evil or wrong, you can ask Jesus to project images onto your eyelids or onto a mirror , why not,  cant you? Countless christians have had visions by different means over the years

alan

We are all Mediums. In that we can all receive our own guidance and messages, in so many different ways. One of my best friends uses tarot cards. It's not the Tarot itself that speaks. it's the frame of receptive mind which taps into the answers each of us has access to.
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""In my first post about this matter I wrote that I believe there are genuine mediums. However, certainly some are fakes, and some get message from who knows what spirits.""
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true enough
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So, in his way, R is saying just be careful and ask for the highest good to occur.
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""I'm saying such methods aren't necessary if you want to make contact with beings who represent the light.""
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That's true, but still it can be fun to try it. I'm sure the beings who represent the light would not object.
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""Going by posts they've written, it seems to me that Deanna and Juditha have had more than their fair share of unfriendly spirits. Why get involved with a technique that might attract them? I believe it is "bad advice" to encourage them in such a way.""
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Perhaps. These unfriendly spirits they have called to themselves for a lesson, my opinion. To me, the medium who gave Deanna the suggestion to look in the mirror was genuine and good advice. in this particular case, that is what I picked up. I hardly think it will become a fad.
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R
""Please don't kill the messenger.  I was in contact with a being who radiated love and sent other messages when the chopped off legs message was sent. I've found that my guidance doesn't have a problem with being firm and to the point with its messages when this is what is required. It isn't concerned about meeting somebody's standards of PUL.  If it is a mistake for Deanna and Juditha to be overly accepting of what mediums have to tell them, then this is the case. My feeling is that a medium who is worth his or her salt would've know about Juditha's love of Christ, and not refer her to a mirror based technique
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I disagree, loving Christ does not necessarily mean we cannot play with our toys on the way to enlightened behavior.  the original post did not call for an argument about the merits or unmerits of the use of a mirror, but perhaps she got something out of the expressed opinions after all. I'm saying it simply doesn't matter the methods we use if we are correctly using these methods according to the highest intentions, which would be PUL. and using such methods does not mean necessarily a hoard of evil beings are waiting to descend upon the initiate. I wish we understood each other better.
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R.
Another factor is that my guidance doesn't pass on meaningless messages to me.
This was a message that was given to me to pass on to Deanna and Juditha. I would've done so privately,  except that it is hard to have a three way conversation via PM. Plus the message seems to relate to the topic. Perhaps I've made a mistake when I posted it publically.""
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Yes, I can see that your guidance is very important to you as mine is the same. no, it's no mistake a public post. its for a reason. I see that you would like to understand my viewpoint also but feel that I attack you when I did not see that I was doing that.
I feel we are separating ourselves from each other.
I thought you were an angel once. Is this not an incredible thought?
I don't think you would want me to think this but you want me to see your divinity connections.
I think each encounter with another person is a holy encounter. I believe we are all Sons of God. gender is not important. We are all equally loved of God and quite capable of getting messages from true source. Most of us here have not had a Christ vision. Still, that does not mean we have not experienced a sacred loving knowingness with spirit connected with Christ's love, just because we did not look upon the face he used to wear.

PUL to you! vaya con dios! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/spiritvideo/Alysia/myspace2/myspace4/Heartfillwithlove.gif

afterthought: when theres a problem with a relationship ACIM taught me something. It said to stand back and ask myself what is that "I" am withholding from the person I am in conflict with?

It also says to ask myself if they are coming from Fear or Love.

So if you are coming from fear, because I am feeling that, when a person is coming from fear they are really asking for love.

are you asking for Love? You did once. when you told me to keep love no matter what happens on this board. Remember? I respected you so much to say that.

Because...it was one of my favorite affirmations in ACIM it went like this "when you want to see only love, that is what you will see."

Then, this was nice. I get messages in the hypnogogic state sometimes. Guidance or guides said a rewording a bit "When you want to see only love you will see only God."

As I begin to practice this affirmation, I found out it increased the amount of love I saw in the world. Everywhere I looked I did see love in action. Pretty soon my love quota was full. It's still happening, expanding, the love..it makes others feel love the same when u pass it around.
oh, especially on this board, there was love abounding. I feel I had a hand in making this board grow in love, all because I believe in miracles, and truly, if someone expresses love here or out in the world, it seems like a tiny miracle is getting bigger and bigger. Each person that comes here, one sees only love or the call for love and answers it.
You did just fine with your message. I was again, expressing it does not matter about the mirror. apparently my viewpoint is not appreciated that I think there is nothing to fear, that we are all safe in the arms of love. it is a faithfulness that tries to express.
not many feel this way, so we should tell them, there's nothing to fear, a new world order is coming, and I believe it starts with you and me.
Every now and then you meet someone who cannot respond to love, yet they will, as no love thought is wasted.  the only way to see it is to express it and show it. So I'm not going to disagree with you, for I don't want to arouse your defenses in any way; and it does seem no matter how carefully I will speak to you, my words will seem as lies. I will just tell you about the love inside of you.

So I try to express it to you now, and I know you probably won't feel it from me, and thats quite all right. you are who you are.

Please know Christ loves you and me very much. thats all I have to say.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/spiritvideo/Alysia/myspace%20graphics/worldOnBack.jpg
u remind me of this man carrying the world on your shoulders..I have a simple message also from Christ, that you don't have to do that, he has taken your burden from you and your way will be smooth from now on.

Be kind. accept his grace. I meant no harm, and if I may speak for Blink, she did not mean harm either. it is perspectives offered.

I'm going to do what I always do in relationships of any kind. I keep the love part. My standard of love as u called it, is that there is nothing else that is real but love, as fear, and misunderstandings are illusions that we can sort out together, without necessarily getting side tracked by fear, which also alludes to some threat. a threat that has not happened yet..still we fear it. Fear and love cannot be in the same heart.

so I keep u in my heart. I will not see anything that is not love in you. While you may only pick out my words what is seeming negatively charged. that is the risk I take to be misperceived. but too late, I have lost my illusions and gladly I release them.

I am feeling good about the future of mankind all the livelong day and I think we should not labor on small concerns such as what has been generated on this thread.

in my opinion. take care! Let me know if there's anything I can do for you that I'm withholding.

thank you Alan. point taken.

It's nice to hear from you, Deanna. I was curious about your experience after you wrote, so thank you for replying. I will tell you that I have not yet lost a parent to death, so I can only imagine how much you still long to share your love with your father again. In a way, the fact that you speak of him in such a loving way after so long is a beautiful tribute to him.

As a child of eight or nine, I was separated from my birth mother for ten years. For all I knew she could be dead. I thought about that fact more than once, and as I grew up I occasionally said a prayer for her. I wanted her to be alive.

When we were reunited later I found that she had thought seriously about suicide at a certain point in her young life. A group of buddhists taught her to chant, and so in this circle of peace she found the strength to continue her life, and she found the strength to continue to chant for over 30 years. There are many stories I could tell of her formidable strength and love for others.

Why do I tell you this? Perhaps just to say that where there is a will there is a way. As a matter of fact, just a few days ago I broke open a fortune cookie that said JUST THAT!

Where there is a will there is a way.

If I may take the liberty, it is quite possible that the image of you and your sister without legs was not meant to be disempowering at all. For all any of us really knows, there could be a much different interpretation of this image.

For instance, it is said that many people in the afterlife don't actually notice their legs so much. Sometimes they float along. Sometimes they even fly.

I'll bet that if you asked anyone who has lost their legs if their life is over, perhaps you might get a yes. However, I doubt that it is actually true.

Once a few of us here had a discussion about whether a human being might develop the ability to grow a new limb, even a leg. I think perhaps it was told at least once that a little boy showed evidence of a rudimentary ability to do this.

Consider this as well: a man on a horse has four additional legs to stand on.

If we look at our ancestors it is obvious that we contain abilities dormant and unused, potentialities of behavior and ability that are presently unknown to us.

So forget these dreams of sinking ships and gory dismemberment.

It is truly beneath us. When we are carried upward within the living spring waters of wisdom it is effortless. So look in the mirror. Look all you like.

Deanna, I hear the sincerity in your voice, and as I would tell any other forum visitor or member, a way will be opened for you.

As well as sincerity I hear the patience in your voice. Patience is needed in this world.

much love to you and all yours, blink



deanna wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:59pm:

Hi recoverer blink and alysia hawkeye and alan thankyou for writing to me on this subject i value all your opinions you are my friends ,i havent seen my dad yet in the mirror i was really hoping to if only for a few seconds it would mean so much to me ,i have seen dad before but not in the mirror and he looked wonderful i loved that man with all my heart i think of him most every day ,the reason i believed this medium was because she said so many things about my dad what were true ,i get messages from spirit myself for different people and i always pass these on because spirit want me too ,their is definitley an afterlife i have had so much proof of this ,i,m sorry if i made you all argue ,never meant to love deanna

Thank you for your support Spooky.

What's ironic about how this thread has played out, the topic is basically about making contact with spirits, I shared a spirit message I received, and it becomes completely meaningless to some people that I received the message. What's the point of trying to make contact in anyway, if people are going to judge such contact as being meaningless?



spooky2 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

Hi there, I think the responds to Recoverer are far over the top. He just shares what he got in a neutral way and leave it to everyone's opinion if he's right or wrong. About methods: To suggest to someone a method to make contact to someone in the nonphysical, and adding what will happen can have some benefit, but a downside as well. The good thing is, it is likely to get results, the not so good thing is it's not clear what kind these results are. In a spary and cautious way, this method is used by TMI and Bruce as well, as with all guided meditation and imagination and pretending methods, "priming the pump", being optimistic and placing intent, that is. It depends very much on the specific suggestions, and on the viewer, whether the viewer has enough distance to it to maintain control about the filtering of delusions, suggestions and the meaningful "true" perceptions. Some methods, when not very well conducted, seem to leave too much space for all kind of unwanted stuff, as poorly set up ouija sessions and such. Spooky

Alysia:

This isn't the first time you pulled out the PUL meter when somebody deferred with your opinion. Is it loving to start measuring another person's love level when you don't like how the discussion is going? Have I ever once accussed somebody on this forum of not having enough love? I believe that both you and Blink are loving people. I love how you are so quick and eager to try to help people on this forum.  I love how blink doesn't want to see "any" spirit end up in a lower realm for an extended period of time. This goes along with my way of thinking. But really, is it okay to pull out the PUL ruler and start measuring a person's love level when you don't like how the discussion is going? Did I actually say something below that is so negative, that you found it necessary to "measure" how loving of a person I am?



LaffingRain wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 10:56pm:

recoverer wrote on Apr 17th, 2008 at 8:10pm: Alysia: What gives with me? If I actually did receive a message from Christ to pass on to Deanna and Juditha, would there be a need to ask such a question?  What are you saying? 1. I didn't receive a message from Christ, I am deluded or lying? 2. I did receive a message from Christ, but messages from him don't matter? Remember when you said keep to the love no matter what happens? we should remember those words now.

 Re: contacting Spirits and the attraction of constructive or non constructive influences.   All in all i get the sense it's less about "methods", and much more about a person's or peoples deeper intentions, motivations, degree of attachments, etc.  

 With perhaps a few exceptions like Ouija boards because this has such a strong and built up collective thought form of idle curiosity, blatant irreverence, drama, and pervasive sensationalism in connection with same from so many people over such long periods of time.  

 So unless the person or person's involved are of particularly pure intent and has only constructive motives, and is a very positive and loving person(s) in general as well, it would tend to attract not so constructive energies.   This isn't to be "feared" in any deeper way either, but why not avoid it?

  This is not fear mongering, but rather plain ole common sense and discrimination.   The latter is severely lacking in this world at times, along with real PUL, true peace, and positivity.

 Btw, i also find the reactions to Albert's initial message on this thread a bit over the top, but i also get the sense that there are well meaning intentions behind some of it too, so as my generation says, "it's all good".    

Hi, you are all beautiful loving souls, I have only just read all this on here,I was only saying to my friend yesterday that i think of you all on here as my family and i love you all even though we dont always agree with each other sometimes, we have all got that wonderful thing called love for each other and that will never end no matter what.

God please look after my dearest friends
As my love for them,never ends

Love and God bless you all     love juditha

Hi i agree with juditha my words exactly god bless my wonderful friends love deanna

Hi recoverer please could you explain that message you got for me and juditha [legs getting cut off ] in more detail as it keeps playing on my mind thanks recoverer god bless love deanna