Hallo All - my first posting here!
In the FAQ of this site, Bruce Moen briefly mentions how, for example, Alzheimer's disease may alter thinking at death and affect the Afterlife progress of the individual, or where they "land".

Has anybody had any experiences relating to this kind of effect on people passing over with Alzheimer's? Should I be concerned for my mother, who passed over last month - I had cared for her full-time for the last seven years with Alzheimer's? As a family, we were with her for the entire final three days of her life, up to and beyond her passing, which was not peaceful for her, gasping for breath as she was. During the last afternoon and evening, we told her how much we loved her, and urged her to seek and follow the light. 45 minutes or so before the end, she suddenly opened her eyes wide, and held them so, clear and bright, for the remaining time, apparently transfixed on what she could see slightly above and to the front of her.

Because I had not been able to communicate properly with her for so long, due to the Alzheimer's, a message of some sort from her now would be extra-special. My father, who passed over in 1989, came three months later in a vivid dream which imposed itself over a "normal" dream I was having at the time. The quality and form of the dream left me in no doubt as to its nature.

Incidentally, we had the Relocation text from Bob Monroe's "Going Home" tapes read out at  mum's funeral. The minister, a lady vicar, read it out beautifully, and it was very moving.

Best wishes to all.

Hi Alfred

Greeting and a very warm welcome to this forum,

We had a previous thread on this very terrible issue a while back, started by myself. Your beloved dear moms physical brain has became damaged by the reavaged of life and so she can no longer communicate or interact  with her beloved ones any more. Much to the sorrow of you who cared for this lovely person that became a stanger in a strange land. before she passed over into the light of glory.

But her mind , which is separate from the material brian remained intact whole and perfect and when you finally exit this mortal life you WILL once again meet her as a perfect soul.

Although she did not respond to your expressions of love, she heard you clearly and one glorious morning will tell you so.

much regards

alan

Greetings Alfred,

Your caring was certainly a blessed factor in your mother's passing.

Alan has assured you of what I would also say, that her mind was clear
at the end. My step-mother's situation was very similiar.

Welcome to this site. I hope you'll find more here to ease your way!

Bets

Hi Alan-

You say  <<But her mind , which is separate from the material brian remained intact whole and perfect and when you finally exit this mortal life you WILL once again meet her as a perfect soul>>

I'm wondering whether this also applies to someone like Charlie Manson.  Is it possible that his murders were the result of a brain malfunction, and when he dies he will revert to the perfect soul he was when he was created?

Or Jeffrey Dahmer?  

If our brains cause us to do such horrific things, does that mean we are absolved from the things that were done, on the basis that our soul, during all of the mayhem and murders, remained pure and perfect?

Thank you all for your replies, and to Alan and Betson for your kind words and thoughts. You are surely right - if the Afterlife has an objective reality, as this site explains, then all physical illnesses of the physical body are left behind with that body. Despite the Alzheimer's, my mum retained her sweetness, and her dazzling smile and chuckle almost to the end. Bob Monroe said these were expressions of the eternal Core Self, didn't he. I'm also told she always knew when I came into the house, or heard my voice, which is nice. Even on her last morning, gasping through an oxygen mask, she raised her eyebrows in response to my greeting her in her hospital bed. She was still there, despite the physically ravaged brain.

Has anybody done any retrievals involving people who have passed with Alzheimer's or similar conditions?

Best wishes

Hi, Rondele,

We can not equate Alfred’s beautiful beloved kind gentle much loved mother with monsters in human form of the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson (look into his eyes what do you see EVIL) OR OTHERS OF THEIR KIND. Dahmer if you read his history came from a fairly normal family and was sane and intelligent. When asked at the trial why he had done what he did to those innocent young men and boys he said it was "PURE EVIL"

These depraved and yes evil beasts and monsters in human form are now explaining to a righteous holy God why they did this evil. There are eternal consequences for our actions on earth and they will be confined to the very lower hell regions. How long, God can compress an eternity into a moment and he will decide their fate, not us.

We can add Ted Bundy to the list

I will not go into details of exactly what unspeakable perversions and hideous acts these sane beasts performed on the dead bodies of their victims but leave this to you imagination
alan

Alan-

I'm afraid you missed my point.

I fully understand there's no comparison between Alfred's mother and Manson or Dahmer nor was I making such comparison.

My point was the role of the brain in terms of influencing our actions, and the difference between the brain and the soul.

The question gets down to our real identities.  If our true identity is our soul and not our brain-determined personality, then to what extent are we culpable for things we do that may be the result of a damaged or dysfunctional brain?

Is it possible that Manson's soul remains pure even as his brain influenced his murderous behavior?  Suppose that when he dies, an autopsy is done and it's discovered that there were damaged parts of his brain, specifically the parts that allow most of us to know right from wrong?

The books by Michael Newton get into this whole question of identity and who we really are, and why some people become sociopaths and can kill without feeling any remorse.  He discusses the role of the brain vs. soul.


R

ps- I'm well aware of what Manson and Dahmer did

Rondele your quote

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Alan- I'm afraid you missed my point. I fully understand there's no comparison between Alfred's mother and Manson or Dahmer nor was I making such comparison. My point was the role of the brain in terms of influencing our actions, and the difference between the brain and the soul. The question gets down to our real identities.  If our true identity is our soul and not our brain-determined personality, then to what extent are we culpable for things we do that may be the result of a damaged or dysfunctional brain

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Rondele,

I definitely did not miss the point. The brains of Dahmer, Manson and Bundy under the microscope or CAT scan would be found to be all perfectly normal healthily brains, without any physical abnormalities. Unlike the brain of Alfred’s mom

Therefore, my point is the evil depraved souls or minds of said monsters download so to speak into a perfectly normal brain.

The beautiful mind/soul of Alfred’s mom which was always healthy, could simply no longer communicate with her beloved through her physical brain which had turned into a porridge mush of broken brain connections

So Dahmer, Manson and have/had evil mind or souls and perfectly healthy physical brains

Therefore, Alfred’s mom had a beautiful mind/soul of lovingness but old broken very ill brain,

I hope you finally get my point

alan

Alan-

So, you are actually saying that their souls are/were depraved.

That would then also say that God, Who created their souls, was complicit in creating evil and depravity.  We humans can create other physical humans (including brains), but as far as I know, no human can create a soul.

Why do you suppose God would do such a thing?

There's a well known story about a soldier who sustained serious brain injuries in Iraq.  The injuries were so severe that he was transformed from a loving husband to someone who actually tried to strangle his wife.  His soul was the same, but his brain was radically changed.

Please enlighten us as to how/why a soul itself got to be intrinsically evil and depraved.

R

Rondele your quote

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Alan- So, you are actually saying that their souls are/were depraved. That would then also say that God, Who created their souls, was complicit in creating evil and depravity.  We humans can create other physical humans (including brains), but as far as I know, no human can create a soul. Why do you suppose God would do such a thing? There's a well known story about a soldier who sustained serious brain injuries in Iraq.  The injuries were so severe that he was transformed from a loving husband to someone who actually tried to strangle his wife.  His soul was the same, but his brain was radically changed. Please enlighten us as to how/why a soul itself got to be intrinsically evil and depraved. R

No no no Rondele God never creates anything intrinsically depraved, he create all with potential and free will. By the new soul can evolve or advance or devolve and retract into the darker realms. This is a reality in the afterlife that I have experienced first hand. “Sort of Birds of a feather flock together”

About the soldier, how can you say his soul was still the same, maybe it was effected by the evil of war and took the wrong approach to this, but on this I have no answer and as a mere finite being trying to comprehend the infinitely complex infinity. I can only put forward my mortal view

alan

Alan-

I have some real problems with ACIM (for one thing I highly doubt it was authored by Jesus), but there is one thing it says that seems to me to make sense:  God is Perfect.  God is incapable of creating anything that is less than Perfect.  

So I can't see how a soul, having been created by God in a state of perfection, could become evil or depraved.  But maybe it can.

I agree with you, we are all mortals and therefore prone to making any number of mistakes, especially our views of the nature of God and the purpose of life.

I would guess that even those in the afterlife are still searching for answers.

Rondele,

Souls are not created perfect, if they were there would be no potential to develop. They are created innocent and pure, only Gd is pefect not us.

alan

Hi Rondele-
If we start back at the very beginning, just a moment prio to the Big Bang, or whatever you want to call it, there wasn't anything at all except the motivating power of God. In fact, the nature of God was essentially in and of that motivating power, hence the term "Father", as the seed and source.

One moment later and we have the explosion of everything that exists filing the cosmos. It still has the same nature, the projection of the initial Godhead, but not it is beginning to spread out in different patterns. This is where individual patterns start to occur in the interactions of one part with some other part. Yet the sum of the parts remains the same, still just a manifestation of the One God.

Moving ahead a few billion years, here we are. We still are made of the same stuff, the same one empowerment by God. But we all seem to be quite different. Some of us do things that seem terrible to others. That's not because there is a script that tells us to be terrible, but rather that those parts happen to be caught up in relationships that make it seem as if those are proper things to do - a matter of confusion, delusion and iognorance. Like the days when we were children, that it seemed OK to sneak a cookie out of the cookie jar. To us it was innocent. In the same way, to the "evil doers", their actions seem ultimately innocent and appropriate - otherwise they'd alter what they do to some other way to get a payoff.

Finally, if we look a few billion years ahead, we can see all this stuff coming back together again - and it again sums to nothing but the motivating power of God. All the rest, the personalities, the interactions, the errors and discoveries, turn out to be ways in which that power manifested itself. Fortunately, since everything is "made of God-stuff", there is no permanent damage, as God is infinitely capable of self-restoration.

My point is that in the short run, all of these things look really important because we can only see the immediate circumstances. However, in the long run we can see that this is simply God's way of being God and, while doing so, it's God's way of discovering the more preferable, as well as the less preferable, ways of doing things. And the common thread linking the experiences seems to be that a soul is born without any guidelines, and must learn by growing, from total selfishness to total altruism and unity with God.  

Jesus didn't seem terribly worried about such things. When people mentioned misdeeds done to children, he responded, "Such things must happen. But woe to those who do them."

dave

Dave,

Yes in the grand order of things  we appears  insignificant. You are right if we consider god as some sort of energy, as energy can not be created or destroyed. So that original energy is still all with us, but dissipated due to relentless entropy. Now God would have to revert entropy if he wanted to start the whole process over again in a new creation. No problem to him but we cant do it (yet)

There are places in the universe where entopy is being decreased, namely a black hole. The latest and largest recently found black hole in the universe, has the mass of over 18 billon suns. A large enough black hole could "suck in" consume the whole universe!


I see our physical brains as some sort of mirror of the cosmic mind or God. “God made man in his image” Of course this does not mean any physical image, but image of his mind. Our brains are made up of billions of neurons, each interconnected to the other making up the conscious awareness and unique being we are. Therefore, we could use the analogy of our brain equating to god and the sentient neurons us as individual beings within the composite mind that makes up each individual human. This would equate to your pantheistic god.

Thus, our mortal bodies reflect the designer god in minute form... Of course this speculation could be taken furlther down to the quantum level as these minute particle seem to know the existence of one another in some strange way. (Entanglement and non-locality). I acknowledge that you are familiar with the physics of this phenomenon, but reflect it here for the other forum members that might not be as informed as you.

You are obviously pantheistical in belief and that is just fine with me. I, however, see us as god’s creation not god, as you do. Your offspring are not you, they are separate individuals with separate destinies, are they not?.

alan

Greetings, :)

For Alfred,

If you will post a retrieval request over in the Retrievals Forum, you will most likely get PMs from those here who are more active with that interest. Just give the general circumstances (again  :) ). Then with those respondees you can use PMs to give more specific information that will help them to find her. Some need her name and area or date she departed.

Most retrieval requests  imply that the results can be posted in that forum, unless you make other privacy arrangements.
(Postings there help encourage others to make their contacts also.)

And of course the bond you shared with her will help you to contact her too. In a quiet and loving moment just start talking with her in your mind and see if when she answers, she will find ways to prove her reality to you.

Bets

dave_a_mbs wrote on Mar 28^th, 2008 at 3:46pm:

Hi Rondele- If we start back at the very beginning, just a moment prio to the Big Bang, or whatever you want to call it, there wasn't anything at all except the motivating power of God. In fact, the nature of God was essentially in and of that motivating power, hence the term "Father", as the seed and source. One moment later and we have the explosion of everything that exists filing the cosmos. It still has the same nature, the projection of the initial Godhead, but not it is beginning to spread out in different patterns. This is where individual patterns start to occur in the interactions of one part with some other part. Yet the sum of the parts remains the same, still just a manifestation of the One God. Moving ahead a few billion years, here we are. We still are made of the same stuff, the same one empowerment by God. But we all seem to be quite different. Some of us do things that seem terrible to others. That's not because there is a script that tells us to be terrible, but rather that those parts happen to be caught up in relationships that make it seem as if those are proper things to do - a matter of confusion, delusion and iognorance. Like the days when we were children, that it seemed OK to sneak a cookie out of the cookie jar. To us it was innocent. In the same way, to the "evil doers", their actions seem ultimately innocent and appropriate - otherwise they'd alter what they do to some other way to get a payoff. Finally, if we look a few billion years ahead, we can see all this stuff coming back together again - and it again sums to nothing but the motivating power of God. All the rest, the personalities, the interactions, the errors and discoveries, turn out to be ways in which that power manifested itself. Fortunately, since everything is "made of God-stuff", there is no permanent damage, as God is infinitely capable of self-restoration. My point is that in the short run, all of these things look really important because we can only see the immediate circumstances. However, in the long run we can see that this is simply God's way of being God and, while doing so, it's God's way of discovering the more preferable, as well as the less preferable, ways of doing things. And the common thread linking the experiences seems to be that a soul is born without any guidelines, and must learn by growing, from total selfishness to total altruism and unity with God.   Jesus didn't seem terribly worried about such things. When people mentioned misdeeds done to children, he responded, "Such things must happen. But woe to those who do them." dave

If I had needed some priest/cult figure/shaman to look up to, you would be him, haha. Seriously, I almost always find your posts to be articulate, intelligent, thought-provoking, while also making a certain amount of sense of the possible afterlife. So thanks for being here, inspiring people such as me. :)

Thank you very much for your message Bets - I will certainly follow up your suggestions in the Retrieval Forum. As you suggest, I am also keeping aware of any possible spontaneous contacts from my mother, such as dreams, and using the higher Focus level tapes in the TMI Going Home series. Having cared for her Here for so long, I feel some need to at least make sure she's OK There, after which, she'll be perfectly Ok at looking after herself!

My initial query seems to have triggered off quite a philosophical discussion. I'm not sure Here we can ever know the answers to these sorts of questions. Some years ago I puzzled over what would be the relative contributions to a Person from the physical inputs - "Nature-Nurture" - and the immortal soul component. If the soul just sits and watches, how can it learn from the life experience? Is it therefore "culpable" in some of the things its physical vehicle does? Is the soul actually part of the Nurture component of the "Nature-Nurture" balance? Is Right and Wrong anyway just a physical human construct, to enable survival Here? Who is qualified to answer questions like this? - certainly not me!!

Very best wishes,
Alfred

Hallo All,
I'd like to throw in this anecdote, which may, or may not, be of some interest regarding the nature of the physical brain and its relation to the non-physical.

Some 5 to 6 years ago, my mother was in the middle stage of her Alzheimer's. It was a very difficult time for her and us, as family and carers. She was still fully able-bodied and able to converse and eat normally, etc, but the disease made her restless and agitated in the extreme. To cut a long story short, the way she found greatest calm at that time was in motion, either by walking, or being driven in a car. I spent many hours myself driving her through towns, villages and countryside, just so she could find rest and peace. Traffic jams were a nightmare, though - as soon as we were stopped, my mum would become anxious and restless, and threaten to leave the car - but I digress! At that time, we had a daytime care assistant who recognised this need, and herself drove my mum in her car, combining this with visits to shops, or to her own many local relatives, at whose homes she would stop awhile, and she and my mum would both enter for a short chat and cup of tea. Seeing different people, and taking part in their activities, helped mum also, so everyone benefited.

One of the care assistant's sisters lived locally, and her house was one of these regular stop-off points. During one afternoon visit, my mum, her carer, the carer's sister and a few friends were having a cup of tea and a chat in their front room, when suddenly out of the blue, mum looked towards an empty space in the room, and asked, "Who's that sitting on his bike grinning..?". This caused the group's conversation to stop immediately, and, in the words of the carer later, they "froze". One of them asked what sort of bike it was, and she replied that it was "just an ordinary push-bike". They were all stunned. The reason why was that the carer's sister had had a partner who worked some 100 miles away during the week, and who had cycled everyday to his work along twisting country lanes. He had been run down and killed by a careless driver earlier that year. The assembled group was rendered speechless, and the incident remained a topic of conversation years later.

Coincidence? Maybe. Had my mum picked up on some fragment of conversation about the event at some time? Also possible, but the Alzheimer's at that time meant that her short and medium term memories were just about gone, so highly unlikely she would remember. An hallucination caused by the illness? Again, possible, but why this particular scene, and in that sister's house?

Could it be that one effect of Alzheimer's is in some way to enable easier perception of the non-physical? Perhaps areas of the brain that may normally filter out such perceptions have been destroyed or rendered non-functional by the illness. Perhaps much, though perhaps not all, that is labelled "hallucination" in such and similar diseases, is in fact non-physical perception.

My own opinion, for what it's worth, would be that it is.

Best wishes

That's fascinating, Alfred !

You might consider sharing it also on a serious site dedicated to understanding Alzheimer's. Perhaps it would help others whose loved ones had such an experience to share their stories as well.
I used to do more reading on Alzheimer's than I do now, and I don't recall then finding any such reports.

Thank you for sharing it with us.  :)
Bets

Hi Alfred,

Quote:

Could it be that one effect of Alzheimer's is in some way to enable easier perception of the non-physical? Perhaps areas of the brain that may normally filter out such perceptions have been destroyed or rendered non-functional by the illness.

That would be my explanation, too. As we see, people with Alzheimer's somehow more and more fail to stick to something (or, the other side, become trapped in a thought-loop) and more and more seem to perceive less in linear causal threads, but rather in bits/scenes of meaning. They care less about what is possible or not, or what is adequate or not. They don't care much about what reality has to look like; that way, they are not in the same degree bound by the mainstream way to perceive and to believe, they just see what's up now. This way, they are potentially more open to nonphysical perceptions. In this case, at the cost of their physical personality, which is to a good part consisting of restrictions, causal thinking and "to pull oneself together".

From what I have gotten in my meditations about nonphysical reality, there is a sort of simultaneous time-threads, meaning persons "there" seem to be in linear time, but in more than one time-string at once. I see a similarity to people with Alzheimer's here. Maybe what here means loosing one's personality due to a lack of coherence over there is just normal.

Spooky

Alfred,

About 5 years ago, Linda called me from the Finger Lakes region of New York and asked me to pray for her husband Russ.  This couple and I had become good friends when I was their United Methodist pastor, but I had since moved to Buffalo, NY.  Russ's Mom was in the last stages of Alzheimer's Disease in a Florida nursing home.  Over the years, Russ had become alienated from her.  But in the past few years, he had become a committed Christian and longed for reconciliation.  But his Mom was a vegetable now and was unaware of her son's bedside presence.  Of course, her zombie condition broke Russ's heart.

I was frustrated by my initial efforts at prayer and felt I was just going through the motions.  I was between churches at the time, but was familiar with a local charismatic Christian prayer group.  So I invited myself to the group and made this request.  I would sit in a chair as a proxy for Russ's Mom.  The group would lay hands on me to pray for her.  The power of the Holy Spirit soon fell on us and the atmosphere was charged with faith.  There was much weeping.  I knew that this prayer session had made some sort of difference, but what?

The next day, I called Linda and this is what she told me.  That morning (Saturday), Russ had visited his Mom as usual.  Suddenly, she came alive and became totally lucid and as rational as she had ever been.  For 45 minutes, Mother and son wept as they expressed their love for each other and reconciled.  Russ was absolutely thrilled.  Then, as if someone clicked a switch, his Mom again slipped into a vegetative state and died an hour or so thereafter.  Perhaps, through prayer, she detached enough from her earthly body to communicate lucidly through her spirit body.  If so, then recuperation in the afterlife is probably not too hard.  However, the frequent reports of spirit hospitals in Paradise may indicate that some people need help in adjusting to their new life after prolonged disease or dementia.

Don

[quote author=Alfred link=1206329568/0#4 date=1206391421]Thank you all for your replies, and to Alan and Betson for your kind words and thoughts. You are surely right - if the Afterlife has an objective reality, as this site explains, then all physical illnesses of the physical body are left behind with that body. Despite the Alzheimer's, my mum retained her sweetness, and her dazzling smile and chuckle almost to the end. Bob Monroe said these were expressions of the eternal Core Self, didn't he. I'm also told she always knew when I came into the house, or heard my voice, which is nice. Even on her last morning, gasping through an oxygen mask, she raised her eyebrows in response to my greeting her in her hospital bed. She was still there, despite the physically ravaged brain.

Has anybody done any retrievals involving people who have passed with Alzheimer's or similar conditions


AFRED, hi, it's gordon phinn here.  I'm an old member but i don't have time to post much these days.

I have done contact/retrieval with folks with senility, and what others have posted is more or less true.  It's a condition of the brain, not the mind.  But folks often so identify with their brains and bodies immediately after passing that they are convinced they're still sick and need the atmosphere and attention provided by some kind of care facility, hospital or nursing home.
Astral helpers will tend to their illusory needs until they have "come around", which can take days/weeks/months depending on need.

There are accounts of this type of situation in my new book, just out , "More Adventures In Eternity" (www.o-books.com or www.amazon.com), one involving my own mother, and several more in my earlier book, "Eternal Life And How To Enjoy It".  I also have some contact/retrieval stories online at "www.youtube.com".  Search under "the word of gord" and you'll find them.  My site has the same name.

best wishes,  gordon phinn

Don and Gordon -

Thanks for these messages!

Don, the story of Russ's mum is wonderful, and cause for great reassurance and consolation. We must never, ever, write people off, and it seems intervention and restoration can come in so many ways. My own mum happily still retained some awareness, and though without speech, responded to kindness, and smiling happy faces, (and especially liked being sung to!). Her final illness was awful, though, effectively drowning, but she too, in the last 45 minutes, suddenly relaxed, and gazed with clear, open eyes in front of her, as we told her to look for the light and go to it.

Gordon, I will look up your book, thank you for the details. Your accounts of retrievals in these cases does seem add to all the other evidence I am reading and hearing about, in that some period of recovery may be needed as the habitual ways of thinking have time to wear off.

Since my last postings on this thread and on the Retrieval forum, I have had some experiences which lead me to think my mum is now well, and sending love. I will post a summary here hopefully later today or tomorrow.

Thanks and best wishes to all once again,

Alfred

Don ,

What a beautiful  post,

alan

Same here Don. :)


Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 3:27pm:

Don , What a beautiful  post, alan

Hallo All!

Those who've been following this thread will know the background to this story, and anybody new hopefully can refer back on it.

I promised to post a message about a contact with my mother (I believe) which has happened since the earlier messages, and since my posting on the Retrieval Forum, so here it is.

First of all, last tuesday (1st Apr) evening, a cool, sunny evening, about 5.15pm UK time, something happened which at the very least is very aptly symbolic, but perhaps more than that. My mother's bedroom is pretty much as she left it when she went off to hospital for that final illness (just as an aside, she was quite chipper when she left, and our only doubts were whether she'd be home before the weekend of the 23/24th Feb, or after. In the hospital A & E, she was in much better fettle than on some previous occasions when she'd gone there - but, as usual, I digress!). I had occasion to go into her room, and, just in time before stepping on it, saw a queen wasp on the carpet beside her bed. It was very groggy and almost too feeble to move much. As an amateur entomologist (bugman!), I knew this wasp would have been hibernating for the winter somewhere in the room, which is not uncommon, sometimes in curtain folds, or under the bed, etc. and had woken up intending to start a new colony outside. If she did not escape the room, she would soon die of dehydration and starvation. This one wouldn't have made it on her own.

I coaxed the wasp onto a piece of paper and placed both on my mother's bed while I went to get some honey and water in a teaspoon. The wasp drank this for a good solid 10 minutes (like a thirsty man given water in a desert!), visibly gaining strength all the time, vibrating her abdomen, etc. When done, she had a thorough wash-and-brush up, cleaning feelers, jaws, legs and all, and started to walk about on the paper vibrating her wings. I knew she was strong enough to leave then, and held paper and wasp up to the open window, gave a tap, and away she flew into the sunlight. I was pleased to have helped, but didn't really give it too much thought just then.

In bed that night, in the early hours of Wednesday morning, about 6.15am UK time, I found myself in a half-awake state. I was, though, conscious enough to feel a need to mentally ask if my mother was there. The instant I expressed this thought, like a bolt from the blue I experienced a jolting, almost physical, all-enveloping hug, which felt wonderful, suffusing my entire body with a blissful warmth, tingling and love. At the same time, I felt my face break into a broad happy smile, almost unconsciously. This smile I have sometimes experienced when deeply under the influence of certain Hemi-Sync tapes, but the "hug" itself was unique, something I've never experienced before. In fact "hug" is a very poor term to fully describe the feeling. This wonderful sensation lasted perhaps for 10 seconds (though judging time is not easy, it could have been more, or less) faded briefly, then came back less intensely, before subsiding. I tried to project a feeling of thanks and love back.

Shortly after, I fell asleep, but the memory of the event was still extra-vivid when I awoke, and I think will be one of those memories which will always be vivid in my mind (like the visitation dream from my father, after he passed on 19 years ago). I KNOW that must have  been my mum!

As for the wasp incident, in hindsight, it has tremendous symbolic significance, if nothing else, especially as it preceded the experience above. My mum had been effectively trapped in her room, and the upstairs of the house, since her mobility badly declined over 2 years ago. The thirst and starvation of the wasp before drinking the honey reflected my mother's hospital experience - she was placed on Nil-by-Mouth when admitted, due to the aspiration pneumonia caused by swallowing problems, and never ate or drank again up to the time she passed away 5 days later. Because she developed fluid on the lungs, even her IV drip was removed. But most of all, I think, and hope, it seems to symbolise her progress in the Afterlife - after rest and restoration from the horrendous final illness, and from the insidious long-term Alzheimer's, she was now free to move off and out into the light, and as a result, could visit me with that wonderful hug!

All best wishes,

Alfred

Hi Alfred,

Our passed over loved ones try their best at times to get our attention as your mom did so successfully with you via the queen wasp. Your kindness, instead of fear to this wasp is just the way your mom would have wanted you to treat this beautiful insect. What better way to get the attention of her amateur entomologist son that via that  " Mother" wasp. "See the symbolism"

You have been especially blessed because of your love and care of your mom through her awful illness. Not many of us get a "hug" from their mom from heaven, certainly not I!

Regards

Alan

Alfred,

Thank you so much for sharing this beautiful experience. It's one thing to believe that our loved ones visit, but it's a completely different ball game when--through direct experience-- we 'Know' they have. There's nothing like it!

Much love,

Ginny
ps--I was watching Dr. Wayne Dyer on PBS a few weeks ago wherein he talked about the passing of a dear friend, and how he just knew that a short time later his friend paid him a visit in the form of Monarch butterfly. With such enthusiasm and joy he was trying to explain how he just knew it was his friend, and he'd get flustered and laugh because it was a difficult thing to do.
I had a pet bumble bee once--or I'm sure she considered me her pet. I called her Buzz :).

Alfred,

I am sorry I did not read that the post blow was directed at me. Yes profound illness especially that effecting the brain and mind opens a portal into the paranormal or mystic realms and they often see remote happenings, the future, past such as their passed over parents just like your mom did. It was not a coincident but your mom’s soul telling she was able to see beyond the veil

Regards

alan



Quote:

Your quote One of the care assistant's sisters lived locally, and her house was one of these regular stop-off points. During one afternoon visit, my mum, her carer, the carer's sister and a few friends were having a cup of tea and a chat in their front room, when suddenly out of the blue, mum looked towards an empty space in the room, and asked, "Who's that sitting on his bike grinning..?". This caused the group's conversation to stop immediately, and, in the words of the carer later, they "froze". One of them asked what sort of bike it was, and she replied that it "just an ordinary push-bike". They were all stunned. The reason why was that the carer's sister had had a partner who worked some 100 miles away during the week, and who had cycled everyday to his work along twisting country lanes. He had been run down and killed by a careless driver earlier that year. The assembled group was rendered speechless, and the incident remained a topic of conversation years later. Coincidence? Maybe. Had my mum picked up on some fragment of conversation about the event at some time? Also possible, but the Alzheimer's at that time meant that her short and medium term memories were just about gone, so highly unlikely she would remember. An hallucination caused by the illness? Again, possible, but why this particular scene, and in that sister's house? Could it be that one effect of Alzheimer's is in some way to enable easier perception of the non-physical? Perhaps areas of the brain that may normally filter out such perceptions have been destroyed or rendered non-functional by the illness. Perhaps much, though perhaps not all, that is labelled "hallucination" in such and similar diseases, is in fact non-physical perception.   My own opinion, for what it's worth, would be that it is.

Thanks Ginny, Alan, for your postings!

I am fantastically grateful for the experience I described, and the more I think on it, the better it seems to get! Likewise, the queen wasp. The point you make Alan, about how suitable a "choice" that scenario was, to gain my attention as a bugman, had passed through my mind also.

I have to say, these experiences, and reading all the postings on this and the other threads and forums on this site, coupled with reading newly-bought books by Bruce, (thanks for writing these, Bruce! all great stuff!) and re-reading and re-using various Monroe books and tapes, (which I've had for years, and dust off every so often!), is setting me off on another "World-view" change. I tend to go along in the same mind-set for years, then suddenly embark upon another step-change. Or maybe it just seems like that!

Re your post above, Alan; I remember posting the incident involving the vision of the cyclist on an Alzheimer's forum shortly after it happened, and speculated there about the cause (this picks up one of the points Bets made in an earlier post, which I forgot to reply to - sorry, Bets!). One respondent said they had read an article somewhere about this sort of thing connected with Alzheimer's, and would post the reference if they could find it. They didn't in the end, but it showed that this has been noted before, as you say, and perhaps more research should be done along these lines.

Best wishes,
Alfred

Hallo All!

Some days after my last post on this thread, I had another experience which seems to follow on from the story so far. I previously sent this as a PM to Bets, and she suggested it may be of interest to post it here.

I'm often up quite late (old habits die hard!), and may switch on the PC to check emails, (or this site!) etc, before turning in for the night. I started to do this about 2.15am last Thursday. My PC is so darned slow, it can take ages to get going, or may have to be restarted etc. While it was doing this, I thought I'd close my eyes for just a few minutes, feeling a bit tired. I must have gone into a very light sleep, for, although I was still aware that I was sitting by the PC, in a semi-dream state I "heard" people being let in downstairs in the house (I am the only resident). These people I "knew" were my parents, both together, and the person letting them in seemed to me at the time to be my sister, who physically lives 80 miles away. All through this, I was fully aware that I was upstairs at the PC, yet I was still able to "see" my parents downstairs, and both were as they were in the early 1960s, when they would have been in their early 40s, slim and youthful. There was a great deal of chatting and laughter going on, and I thought I should go downstairs and join them all! Before doing so, I thought I should turn off the PC, but when I tried to do so, I could not - I could not physically affect it, try as hard as I might! I could feel the resultant frustration building up, and then suddenly I "awoke", still sitting by the PC, of course, (and it still loading up!). Of course the house was empty, and shortly afterwards, I went to bed. I had thought I might be able to get back to the scene by keeping it in my mind once in bed, but I think I just fell into deep sleep, as I recall nothing else.

I checked with my sister later that day to see if she remembered any such experiences or dreams from the previous night, but she could not.

This is the first time I've "dreamt" of both my parents together, and believe it must be significant. My father passed on in 1989, and, as you might remember from my postings on this thread, my mother just 7 weeks ago in February. It's also odd, I think, that I knew all through that I was sitting by the PC, so this was not a "normal" deep sleep dream, and of course I actually tried unsuccessfully to turn off the PC. Could I have been out-of-body in some way?

Best wishes,

Alfred

Quote Alfred: "Could I have been out-of-body in some way?"

I think so. I guess many OBE states are not noticed because of their subtleness (a classic OBE though you will immediately notice to be one). What's interesting is, when in your half-dream-state you tried to switch off the pc and it didn't work. This act is highly automatized, and in a normal dream I would expect it either would turn off and/or morph into something different or so. Sometimes it's hard to exactly determine whether it's a dream, an OBE or whatever, and maybe there are no exact borders, and/or one can be in different consciousness places at the same time.

Spooky

Thank you, Spooky2.

Re your point about how the PC in my "dream" might have morphed into something else in a normal dream, whereas mine stayed as a PC - it did differ slightly in that the real PC was in the normal laptop "lid upright" state, whereas the "dream" PC, for some oddball reason, had its lid pushed flat backwards! Weird!

I also noticed some similarities between my experience and that posted by Phantasy Man on his "OoBE and Nap" thread, though of course I wasn't conscious of a full-blown OBE.

Alfred

quote Alfred: "whereas the "dream" PC, for some oddball reason, had its lid pushed flat backwards!"
 Yes, strange; I wouldn't expect this from a normal dream.

Spooky

Hi Alfred,

I have also  had some very weird dreams, one I started a thread on was of a stange realm where every one walked backwards.

alan

in my opinion Alfred, you were obe and met up with your parents and obe sister.  what you recall now is your brain's compressed version of those events.
my dad also passed decades before my mum, but my first encounter with her  "there" was at an astral plane nursing home that was catering to my mum's attachment to her senility/cancer.

best wishes, gordon



Alfred wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 11:19am:

Hallo All! Some days after my last post on this thread, I had another experience which seems to follow on from the story so far. I previously sent this as a PM to Bets, and she suggested it may be of interest to post it here. I'm often up quite late (old habits die hard!), and may switch on the PC to check emails, (or this site!) etc, before turning in for the night. I started to do this about 2.15am last Thursday. My PC is so darned slow, it can take ages to get going, or may have to be restarted etc. While it was doing this, I thought I'd close my eyes for just a few minutes, feeling a bit tired. I must have gone into a very light sleep, for, although I was still aware that I was sitting by the PC, in a semi-dream state I "heard" people being let in downstairs in the house (I am the only resident). These people I "knew" were my parents, both together, and the person letting them in seemed to me at the time to be my sister, who physically lives 80 miles away. All through this, I was fully aware that I was upstairs at the PC, yet I was still able to "see" my parents downstairs, and both were as they were in the early 1960s, when they would have been in their early 40s, slim and youthful. There was a great deal of chatting and laughter going on, and I thought I should go downstairs and join them all! Before doing so, I thought I should turn off the PC, but when I tried to do so, I could not - I could not physically affect it, try as hard as I might! I could feel the resultant frustration building up, and then suddenly I "awoke", still sitting by the PC, of course, (and it still loading up!). Of course the house was empty, and shortly afterwards, I went to bed. I had thought I might be able to get back to the scene by keeping it in my mind once in bed, but I think I just fell into deep sleep, as I recall nothing else. I checked with my sister later that day to see if she remembered any such experiences or dreams from the previous night, but she could not. This is the first time I've "dreamt" of both my parents together, and believe it must be significant. My father passed on in 1989, and, as you might remember from my postings on this thread, my mother just 7 weeks ago in February. It's also odd, I think, that I knew all through that I was sitting by the PC, so this was not a "normal" deep sleep dream, and of course I actually tried unsuccessfully to turn off the PC. Could I have been out-of-body in some way? Best wishes, Alfred

Greetings Gordon  :)

could you please tell us more about 'the brain's compressed versions' ?
It might need a new thread, as I haven't seen it discussed here
in the last couple of years and think you'd get alot of interest.
For example,
does the brain know what to reveal and what to leave out?
Is the compressing the reason why we're gone so long but the visit seems quite brief?
Can we get it to uncompress and give us more info?

Bets

Hi Alan, Gordon, and Bets!

Sorry not to have replied recently, I have been attending to more mundane matters!

Alan, your backwards-walking dream takes some beating as an oddball dream, I must say! I wonder, were the people in it walking purposefully backwards, or was it as if they were in a film played in reverse?

Gordon, many thanks for your comments, and your book, btw, which is a cracking good read! I have read the sections about your contacts with your mum and dad, including the moving account in the Postscript of your encounter with them both while making supper, when your mum was obviously up and about again. I note you often use a free-flow F27 tape for your explorations. Presumably this came with your Lifeline TMI session. I am now using the Right of Passage/Homecoming tape from the Subject album of TMI's Going Home set, which I've had for years, and not used enough. Bob Monroe takes the listener to F27, and leaves you there, so it's like a free-flow 27 tape also. My explorations are novice-like at the moment, but this tape gives me good results each time. I don't "see" much, unless I conjure up an image myself, but I get wonderful loving "embraces" - intense tingling 'storms', where tears stream from my eyes, and my mouth almost on its own breaks into a broad smile. These have occurred repeatedly when I think of my mother, and also last night when I then asked if my father was there also. The effects were similar, but there was a definite "Hallo son! Long time, no see!" quality there, and I feel myself almost audibly responding. These are fantastic experiences, and ones that I haven't before had, and certainly not by any normal meditation effort. But though I keep asking, I am not aware of the presence of any Guides, Helpers etc, in these sessions. I am probably missing a lot, being barely a novice. Do these reactions strike a chord with you, or anyone else?  

Bets, I will also be interested in Gordon's reply to your query.

Best wishes,

Alfred

Betson, hi;
yes, moving from brain-based knowing to soul-based knowing is an interesting challenge.  I confront it mostly with clients who come to see me in person or who phone long distance, and then, of course, I tailor my "teaching" to wherever i sense "the person is at".
Generally it's not easy to sum up "for everyone", but i'll try.

Understand, please, that when we incarnate we accept the limitation that the brain places upon our consciousness.  we know we're going to be limited and that will be frustrating, but we accept it as part of the game plan, that of educating our souls in "the earth life school system".
We have experiences of various kinds while we are asleep and obe.  everyone has different experiences, depending on the level they allow themselves to explore (that's influenced by religious beliefs and various self-judgements).  So one might be floating around their house, going from room to room, another might be flying about their physical plane neighbourhood, meeting other obe'rs and interacting (speech and sexuality are the two main ways), and others might have figured out how to move beyond the physical dimension into the various astral planes.
Out there, most explore;  some, because of the popularity of violent books and horror films, wind up in the lower astrals/hell realms, seeing the poor souls trapped there and having frightening experiences, and waking up anxious/scared/spooked and unable to go back to sleep.  This includes little children btw.
Others, responding to semi-conscious needs and urges, go to where their dearly departed are, and interact.  The interaction can be in full astral consciousness, or a kind of semi- conscious state (half asleep and dreaming).  When they awaken, their memories are fragmented and mixed in with the endless brain activity, you know, churning over yesterday's events and anticipating tomorrow's, and the resulting stew in a confusing mix of "the meeting out there" and the various physical plane "regret-and-anxiety-based scenarios". ie you're talking coherently to your dead sister and that is superimposed over a memory of your recent scary-vacation-swimming experience and followed by a scene where you're wandering naked through the office you work in, wondering why no-one can see you and terrified that someone might.
So you see the brain not only compresses your astral experience, ie you just get the headlines, but it mixes it all in with its own leftovers that should really be under the sink in the garbage bag.
Why does it compress?  It can't cope, it's all too much, it has unactivated circuits.  Meditation and using hemi-sync will help activate those dormant circuits.

hope this helps betson:  gordon

betson wrote on Apr 28^th, 2008 at 4:22pm:

Greetings Gordon  :) could you please tell us more about 'the brain's compressed versions' ? It might need a new thread, as I haven't seen it discussed here in the last couple of years and think you'd get alot of interest. For example, does the brain know what to reveal and what to leave out? Is the compressing the reason why we're gone so long but the visit seems quite brief? Can we get it to uncompress and give us more info? Bets

Albert, so glad you're enjoying the book and finding it useful in your own explorations!  Very gratifying !

Gordon, many thanks for your comments, and your book, btw, which is a cracking good read! I have read the sections about your contacts with your mum and dad, including the moving account in the Postscript of your encounter with them both while making supper, when your mum was obviously up and about again. I note you often use a free-flow F27 tape for your explorations. Presumably this came with your Lifeline TMI session. I am now using the Right of Passage/Homecoming tape from the Subject album of TMI's Going Home set, which I've had for years, and not used enough. Bob Monroe takes the listener to F27, and leaves you there, so it's like a free-flow 27 tape also.

Yes, Albert, I used those two extensively before getting fff27.  did a lot of retrievals using them.  check retrieval archive, there's a couple there.


My explorations are novice-like at the moment, but this tape gives me good results each time. I don't "see" much, unless I conjure up an image myself, but I get wonderful loving "embraces" - intense tingling 'storms', where tears stream from my eyes, and my mouth almost on its own breaks into a broad smile. These have occurred repeatedly when I think of my mother, and also last night when I then asked if my father was there also. The effects were similar, but there was a definite "Hallo son! Long time, no see!" quality there, and I feel myself almost audibly responding.

Your have a strong heart chakra connection here Albert, and that's a very good foundation for later explorations. Be patient and more will unfold in due time.  One often feels telepathic communication without accompanying visuals.

These are fantastic experiences, and ones that I haven't before had, and certainly not by any normal meditation effort. But though I keep asking, I am not aware of the presence of any Guides, Helpers etc, in these sessions. I am probably missing a lot, being barely a novice. Do these reactions strike a chord with you, or anyone else?  

Guides are usually right there but either they feel it's too much too soon for you to see them yet, or your astral eyes are just not open yet.  Don't fret, the guidance is always there, whether you can consciously hear it or not.  Just follow your intuitions.


best wishes on your continuing expansion Albert,  gordon

Very many thanks for all your explanations and comments, Gordon, they are very helpful and appreciated, coming from such a master of the subject as yourself. And thanks especially for your encouragement, which, together with that of of all the others who've contributed to this thread (including Bets, who has PM'd me so much advice and kind support - thank you, Bets!), gives me so much added incentive to try to improve on my current very basic achievements in this fascinating and important area of study.

Thanks and best wishes to all,

Alfred

My apologies to all for adding again to my own thread! - but I've just taken delivery of Bruce Moen's third book, "Voyages into the Afterlife, Charting Unknown Territory".

One thing which struck me was his description in Chapter 2 (p26 on) of the "lightning bolts" of PUL (Pure Unconditional Love) he received during his Exploration 27 tape exercise, after his non-physical 'hug' with Ed Wilson, Bob Monroe and Rebecca at TMI-There. He says they were like intense jolts, and that he felt his whole body transformed into a smile. This description seems very close to what I tried to describe in my earlier posts on this thread, when I reported the first early-morning visit from my late mother, and then the subsequent experiences during F27 hemi-sync tapes. The jolting, loving hugs were as wonderful to me as they obviously were to Bruce, and my mouth was pulled into an actual physical smile, as I mentioned in the posts.

Always great to read of someone else's similar experiences!

Best wishes,

Alfred

PS: Off-topic, but is anyone else experiencing very slow loading of the Board? I've had problems for a couple of weeks with it, and have had to abandon several intended visits. My PC is often notoriously slow, but this Board always used to load well, and other sites are as normal.

Greetings Alfred!

Good to hear from you again!

Re: slow loading time on the board, my theory is that when more than 9--10 people are on site, it slows, and when it gets to 12 people, it takes a whole lot of patience to wait it out.

Yes, love from the spiritual side can come as a jolt or a buzz or a magnetic field!  :o  :)
Amazing, isn't it?!

Your friend, Bets