I am currently reading Colin Fry`s latest book, Secrets From The Afterlife. Colin is a well known TV psychic medium in the U.K.

One passing of a 28 day old baby into the Afterlife where he is being looked after by his grandmother, as related to the baby`s parents by Colin, set my mind thinking.
Does the baby`s soul/spirit continue to develop or does it remain as a baby? If so, how is it to develop spiritually? Invariably when we read/hear of people who have passed over at an old age or with some deformity or infirmity they always appear perfectly  normal  and usually at a much younger age when they were at their best. This explanation appears perfectly plausible as it was the physical body which had the impediment and not the soul/spirit.
We are also told that when we pass over there are friends or relatives to welcome us into the Afterlife. Could these include a baby or child someone had lost many years ago? If so, would the child`s soul/spirit then be able to develop further, along with it`s parents, even though time, per se, does not exist in the Afterlife?
Could that soul/spirit also reincarnate?

I find this very intriguing and wonder what others thoughts are on this.

roger :)

Greetings Roger,

One aspect of this is that when we get to the Afterlife we stay as we were until we become conscious enough to wish a change. At that point many change to how they were in their late 20's--early 30's or whenever their happiest period of recent life was. Most souls that incarnate on rugged old Earth are already matured!

I'd guess that after passing over, it takes a baby longer to remember who (s)he really is, and so might stay a baby longer. There have been reports of nurseries and play time where numbers of small children are taken care of in the AL.  
:) Even if they do become conscious of who they are, perhaps staying as a baby awhile longer might be fun, just to enjoy the luxury of such care!

And there are many reports that a predeceased family member will greet an afterlife newbie in the form the newbie is most fond of or knows best, so a temporary return to babyhood could happen under those conditions.

Babies are fully formed souls. I learned this at a tender infant age when my third eye was accidentally frightened open and I became too conscious at too young an age. I recall much of who did what and when. Babyhood has no relationship to the age of one's soul, it seems.

Love, Bets

Reminds me of my wife who carried a baby for six months,and something happened and she lost it.Then about 25 years after,I has a dream where I met a Young man.I said who are you,and he said I am your son.George

The baby thing is our interpretation, not one that is felt by the infant personally, as Bets mentioned above. Lack of experience has little to do with lack of development.

Dr Gladys McCrary has a technique for "unwanted pregnancy"  in which Mom and Fetus dialog. Mom explains why this is not a good time. Generally the Fetus understands and is spontaneously aborted within 24 hours. - - - Then, the spooky part is the next child, born in a better season, often reports something like, "Oh yes, I was here before, but it wasn't a good time, so I went away and came back now."

Another factor is that often we may have karmic issues that require us, for reasons otherwise unexplained, to be born and rapidly die.

dave

Hi Roger,

Chapter 2 on the "Afterlife 101" website has some interesting interpretations as to what happens to children. It also discusses miscarriages, abortions and sudden infant death syndrome.

http://www.afterlife101.com/Chapter2.html

dave_a_mbs wrote on Mar 12^th, 2008 at 9:39pm:

The baby thing is our interpretation, not one that is felt by the infant personally, as Bets mentioned above. Lack of experience has little to do with lack of development. Dr Gladys McCrary has a technique for "unwanted pregnancy"  in which Mom and Fetus dialog. Mom explains why this is not a good time. Generally the Fetus understands and is spontaneously aborted within 24 hours. - - - Then, the spooky part is the next child, born in a better season, often reports something like, "Oh yes, I was here before, but it wasn't a good time, so I went away and came back now." Another factor is that often we may have karmic issues that require us, for reasons otherwise unexplained, to be born and rapidly die. dave

Hi Dave - do you mean that the mother actually has an out of body experience so she can communicate with the soul of her unborn child? I'm not sure who Gladys McCrary is. Is this something that has actually happened?

:) Robin

Hi Robin-
Not exactly. Gladys said that she hypnotizes (meaning, places Mom in a deep introspective meditative state, the same thing) in which case she, meaning Mom,  is able to communicate with the fetus. Many women have told me that they are always "kind of aware" of what the fetus is doing and thinking anyway. Then, the question is to explain what is happening that makes it not a very good time. And, as George observed above, the fetus has the option of leaving, after which it is quite common to return at a later time.

Of course I have to take this on faith, since I'm not very well equipped for birthing an infant, but Dr McCrary says it works remarkably well. I stumbled into this inrformation at a seminar in which she was actuially talking about rebirths and continuoity of connections. To me it was the answer to all manner of unpleasant things that women have done when they get preggers at an inopportune moment (since I'm a clinician), and for the fetus, I'd bet that it beats a D&C all ways from Sunday. Best of all, it is a respectful coordination of timing, as opposed to a "surgical intervention", and it leads to beneficial states, as opposed to horriffic ones. The benefits are similar to talking to entities to go into the Light instead of trying to exorcize them.

I guess that one might say that Mom gets an "into-body experience" instead of "out of body", but it all does the same thing. ;-)

d

wow dave - that is truly amazing!

george stone wrote on Mar 12^th, 2008 at 6:17pm:

Reminds me of my wife who carried a baby for six months,and something happened and she lost it.Then about 25 years after,I has a dream where I met a Young man.I said who are you,and he said I am your son.George

wow

Hi,

Babies remain babies and continue to progress to adulthood , in the afterlife or by being reborn. A baby is a baby is a babies, by whatever name you call them. Jesus said "Blessed are the little children for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven". Why did he make this statement, because they are new innocent soul, my view anyway?

alan

Greetings,

Alan, as much as I dislike disagreeing with you, I must.
My own experience was that my third eye opened prematurely during some abuse and a sense
of I/myself as a thinking conscious soul became immediately active. I knew what was happening,
what its implications were for my future, and even recalled my prelife arrangements for this time
around and how they would be affected by the changes being forced upon me. --- Maybe not all that at once but in very short order.

Perhaps you are given new souls in your family and area due to unique qualifications, but some of us
have been round before. Hopefully we start anew and innocent and hopefully that period of refreshing
life called childhood is not taken from us.

Bets

Hi Roger I lost my second baby as i had a miscarriage at 2mnths gone and two mediums have told me that it was a girl and she was raised in the spiritworld and they named her Teresa and that she loves me and that she does not want to touch the earth plain again until she has been reunited with me in spirit.

The only thing is i feel is that when we are reunited in the spiritworld,i wouldnt want to lose her again if she decides to reincarnate,i think it would break my heart.

Love and God bless    love juditha

Hi Bets

Your quote

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Perhaps you are given new souls in your family and area due to unique qualifications, but some of us   have been round before. Hopefully we start anew and innocent and hopefully that period of refreshing   life called childhood is not taken from us.

I am very much a newbie as far as the reincarnation thing is concerned, as you know. I don’t think I am a new soul (remember the black three legged pot?). Especially looking at the marks of time that are now like highways on my face. I have much to learn on this topic and you can proberly remember my initial skeptism on this belief, when I first joined the forum.

"I have often wondered about the apparent wisdom one so often sees in the eyes of a new born baby. Have you ever observed this?"

alan

Greetings,

Yes, I've seen that look of wisdom in the eyes of some babies.  :D :D   I love it!
I base my comments to babies (either aloud or through mental telepathy) on the 'look of wisdom' in their eyes and then watch to see how their reaction changes. If they look like they understand what I just said, we continue on in that vein.
Here's what I mean:
To baby with wise eyes, I say (or think) 'well hello there!  You look like you really know what's going on around here.' (Baby focusses on me and smiles knowingly, so I continue.)
"Do you remember where you were before you came here now?" (Baby concentrates, frowns, and babbles with some effort to communicate.) Me: "Well, please try to remember that for when you get older, because it's important that people are reminded of it." (Wise baby's eyes refocus into a mode of storing up a memory.)
Or
to Baby with the innocent amazed eyes of a newbie-- Me:'Welcome to this world, sweet baby!' Baby responds with innocent amazed eyes, so I say 'you're going to really like it here!' Baby responds with innocent amazed eyes, so I say"You really look nice today!"
Baby responds with innocent amazed eyes, so I say "Kootchie kootchie koo!"  And then the baby ....well, you know.   :)  ;)

Love, Bets :)  

BETS

Nice very nice and as a father of four daughters and ten grandchilden, what you so correctly put makes me have a rethink about reicarnation. The fact that I am or was a skeptic does not invalidate the truth of this belief.

alan

Haha, nice Bets. I'm not a father myself, but I noticed babies are different from each other. With some it's almost spooky. Although very very young and small, some do focus me with their eyes even from a wider distance, and either smile and laugh, or keep staring at me seemingly lost in thoughts. You just can't help yourself but to feel they somehow connect to you.

Spooky

Roger P., hi
haven't read Fry's book but have read a number of other British medium's books and the general consensus is a yes to all your questions.  babies transit very easily to the next plane; they have virtaully no resistance or fears, and their subconscious memories of being there before are very strong.  They "grow up" on the other side, rather more quickly than here, but then everything happens more quickly there than here.

There's a lot of adopting babies over there; many folk who "die young" here and feel like they missed out on a lot wind up adopting over there, they're thrilled with this feeling of a second chance to be parents.  I devote quite a bit of space to the process in my first book, Eternal Life And How To Enjoy It.

hope this helps.

gordon phinn



roger prettyman wrote on Mar 12^th, 2008 at 11:14am:

I am currently reading Colin Fry`s latest book, Secrets From The Afterlife. Colin is a well known TV psychic medium in the U.K. One passing of a 28 day old baby into the Afterlife where he is being looked after by his grandmother, as related to the baby`s parents by Colin, set my mind thinking. Does the baby`s soul/spirit continue to develop or does it remain as a baby? If so, how is it to develop spiritually? Invariably when we read/hear of people who have passed over at an old age or with some deformity or infirmity they always appear perfectly  normal  and usually at a much younger age when they were at their best. This explanation appears perfectly plausible as it was the physical body which had the impediment and not the soul/spirit. We are also told that when we pass over there are friends or relatives to welcome us into the Afterlife. Could these include a baby or child someone had lost many years ago? If so, would the child`s soul/spirit then be able to develop further, along with it`s parents, even though time, per se, does not exist in the Afterlife? Could that soul/spirit also reincarnate? I find this very intriguing and wonder what others thoughts are on this. roger :)

Dave

I can't seem to find any more information about this Gladys McCrary person. Is it possible there is another spelling of her name? Can you tell me where she works? Does she work in secret? This is very strange.

Thanks.

Hallo All!

Just carrying on Roger's thoughts.... do all babies carry on their development in the Afterlife? If we accept that a soul has "decided" to incarnate into a baby's physical body, then presumably its intentions for doing so (development in the Earth Life System) are thwarted when that body dies prematurely. Would that soul not wish to reincarnate quickly if its original  desire was still to benefit from the ELS? How would developing through the stages of a non-physical baby's body in the afterlife help it - wouldn't it be wasting "time", so to speak?

Or is that baby's passing pre-ordained in some way - i.e. has the soul itself decided to call time, and "blow the whistle" early in the game?

Best wishes,
Alfred

I recall when an infant that it was nearly impossible to get a grasp on the world because there were too many people hanging around poking me and saying stupid things. It's difficult to make sense out of something when everyone is dangling objects, and poking and jostling and fooling about to distract what little focus of attention there is.

The biggest problem children have is not lack of ability, but lack of experience. I think that were we to carefully train our kids to focus on a topic, then to understand how to express themselves, we'd start with a much wiser bunch of youngsters, and probably adults. There is good reason to feel that infants have a fairly good grasp of words and ideas long before they have been able to form the sounds of language. The point of this is that there is nothing wrong with the infant's brain except sufficient time to get it programmed to the everyday world.

Interestingly, if we look at a newborn, we can see essentially the same collection of abilities as we can expect to carry with us into the afterlife, except here we see them being brought back in a rebirth. The internal aspects are fully operational, yet they relate very badly to the everyday world because they lack the experiential basis for function.

d

Greetings Alfred  :)

I just noticed that the board still designates you as a 'new' member. And after all you've been through!  :) I'm not sure what the quota is on posts to get your designation changed.

....Probably it's the same with 'new' babies. As Dave a-mbs says they have more capabilities than indicated by the number of words they've uttered.  ;)  
And though accidental /premature deaths are a possibility, most events are preplanned for the spiritual development of those concerned.

In the Afterlife we find that souls return to their favorite age. Souls that keep a baby form in the focus level 27 of the AL must enjoy that role, but can move from it at will.  Soul development is separate from any stage of physical life.

:)  Love, Bets

[quote author=Alfred link=1205334892/15#18 date=1208116667]Hallo All!
Hi Albert, my comments in italics,...gordon....

Just carrying on Roger's thoughts.... do all babies carry on their development in the Afterlife?
Yes they do !  Topic covered in detail in my first book Eternal Life And How To Enjoy It.

if we accept that a soul has "decided" to incarnate into a baby's physical body, then presumably its intentions for doing so (development in the Earth Life System) are thwarted when that body dies prematurely. Would that soul not wish to reincarnate quickly if its original  desire was still to benefit from the ELS? How would developing through the stages of a non-physical baby's body in the afterlife help it - wouldn't it be wasting "time", so to speak?
Or is that baby's passing pre-ordained in some way - i.e. has the soul itself decided to call time, and "blow the whistle" early in the game?
Both types of case occur Albert; i know this from my own research and from reading the available literature.  Mostly "premature death" as arranged beforehand to either spiritually benefit the incarnating soul or its parents; but there are some cases where physiological/biological
crises are unforeseen or underestimated, and the baby body gives out.  In those cases the soul very often reincarnates quickly, very often to the same parents.
(topic covered in both my books)

best wishes, gordon

Thank you very much to all who have responded so far. Most interesting points have been made.

Gordon, you say "...if we accept that a soul has "decided" to incarnate into a baby's physical body, then presumably its intentions for doing so (development in the Earth Life System) are thwarted when that body dies prematurely..." but I take issue with this.  

Surely death is preordained in our life`s plan and by doing so early is both a learning for the baby`s soul as well as a lesson for all those who are affected by the death too. We are here on earth to experience and learn lessons, no matter how hard many may be.
Taking your thoughts on this slightly further, at what age of a child dying does the soul`s intentions  not become thwarted when the child dies?

roger  :-/

Roger,

Gordon was quoting from an earlier post of mine - so he's not responsible!

I was thinking out loud, and asking largely rhetorical questions. At the end of my post, I speculated along just the lines you mention - i.e. the possibility of pre-ordainment in this.

Best wishes,

Alfred

Gordon,Can i buy your book,and receive it in my email.George