Could one of you explain what partnering is and at the same time retrievals” to help me avoid wrong postings.
alan


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I second Alans Motion: for the partner explorers and retrievel experts to take the stand and  "speak up and explain" for us please. ** Alan and Nanner anxiously awaiting step by step help **   Hugs,   Nanner

Thank You

alan

Greetings,

For any recent newbies who are interested, we can start with a very  b r o a d  overview.
(The best how-to information is in Bruce's 5th book, the guidebook.) Yes, your question
is very  b  r  o  a  d   !

Retrievals are a big purpose of being able to move freely between the physical and the afterlife.  The act of retrieving 'stuck souls' (ghosts, spirits) is something anyone can learn,
it involves you with the afterlife's higher helpers and guides, and gives you a reason to visit and get to know the afterlife's various 'Focus Levels' where healing, reunions, and celebration occurs. Since Pure Unconditional Love is your main aid,  your own soul grows immeasurably from these contacts.

:)  If the process were simple enough to be fully explained in a paragraph, Bruce wouldn't have written a whole book (series), so please don't see this as a how-to course, but a retrieval involves notifying Helpers you are available to do a retrieval and firmly setting your intent to do one. (There are breathing techniques and PUL reminders to go through in preparation.) Soon you will find yourself out of the physical with the sense of a Guide at your shoulder flying/ushering you to the general area where a soul is 'stuck.'

Guides, helpers, angels cannot approach a stuck soul because the vibrational level of that soul has been damaged by trauma, fear, disbelief, etc. The role of a retriever is to become a link between the helper and the stuck soul, calming it enough that it can ascend or be approached by the Helpers who then get it into the afterlife.

You will find so much wonder, exchanges of PUL, and such understanding developing ! Your soul feels such release and acknowledgement to be freed of its physical casing and able to help with such necessary afterlife work !

Partnering, partnered explorations are essentially different. Our 'work' in afterlife is sort of at the 'pioneer' stage, right?  Maybe not NDEs, which seem complete in themselves. But other explorations are hard to discuss. Bringing into consciousness all these various aspects of the afterlife often goes beyond our ability to communicate. So some folks set a time a place to go into non-physical realms together (OBE, phasing, whatever). Then when they get back they compare notes and try to see how their Interpretors might mean the same thing but use diffeerent symbols, forms, etc for what is essentially formless in a physical sense. In this way we learn 'how wide a net' has to be cast to pick up meanings in non-physical reality.

If you would read Bruce's books, all this would be presented in his calm, experienced, organized, loving manner. It's much harder to get the import of this through bits and pieces.

Love, Bets

Thanks Bets,

What about partening?

I some time during "vivid lucid dreams" seem to be helping a person, they often still seem to be on earth and not in the afterlfe at all. Also I have difficulty in establishing if it is me I am helping or someone else as I feel the emotions and thought appear to be mine, but they are not   . Crazy.

Can you elaborate on this ?  

alan    

Betson's comments are good, but if you don't have the books yet, there is a wealth of information linked at the top of the page. Taking the time to read this might  help you understand the common vocabulary used by folks who have been posting here for a while.

Here is a place to start on partnering:

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/real.html


And how about the retrievals archives?

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/ret-arch/

Greetings,

Lucy's right---best to get the true information from the sources listed above.

However, Alan, your lucid dreams don't sound like 'partnering' (your term, not Bruce's).
Yes, we've had people talk about being in the non-physical realms and talking with people in the physical. We can communicate through possibly four realms-- the physical, the astral, the etheric, and also, with more difficulty, the causal. (Those terms come from another source, maybe earlier researcher Charles Tart, maybe earlier spiritual traditions--Hindu?  Buddhist?).

If it's counselling, it's of course valuable but is not theoretically a 'retrieval' either,  since the person may be alive, right?  If it's counselling you're speaking from your own self without the Helpers that usually are evident in a retrieval of a stuck soul.

Bets

Added later:
Your question asked where to post such an experience.  :D You're right to be perplexed !  
I think you could put it under Dreams or Retrievals or Afterlife, since it has qualities of each. It's too important for Off-Topics. For Partnered Explorations you usually need reports from both partners so you and everyone can compare how both interpreted the experience.
( :)  Is this another one of your teaching questions to point out something we're missing?)

Bets;
You did a great job of explaining as far as i'm concern..:)
You deserver your stars..:)
Way  to go.. :)

Lucy i agree with you there're so much to read on those archives and Free articles.. :o

Much love guys
Romain

Alan McDougall wrote on Feb 10^th, 2008 at 12:01pm:

Thanks Bets, What about partening? I some time during "vivid lucid dreams" seem to be helping a person, they often still seem to be on earth and not in the afterlfe at all. Also I have difficulty in establishing if it is me I am helping or someone else as I feel the emotions and thought appear to be mine, but they are not   . Crazy. Can you elaborate on this ?   alan

Hi Alan, this happens. occassionally and this would be the out of the body experience, there will be a telepathy, where the flow of information back and forth is so fast that who is doing the thought transference and who is receiving it become, as simultaneous information transfer. sometimes emotions are involved of the subtle variety.

sometimes the person who you are with will be explaining to you something after you ask them a question. then, especially if the person is like a teacher, they know how to transfer thought. in answer to the question that you ask of them..
say, you ask them why are you here?
they would send over telepathic memory that you have in your mind. this memory might be a former desire you had, or intention. like a buried memory.

while you are receiving this memory impression you are viewing their form sitting there but no one's lips move..the thought that comes from them is this memory that actually seems to belong to you...it happens so fast, it's like a mind meld you see on star trek, so that it confuses at first as if two energy fields of mental are blending...

you can think later, oh, how did my friend, or mentor, know this about me? this is my memory, not his. what they are doing is helping the memory be dredged up..because you have forgotten it. but out there, everything is like a known. people know things about you that you had forgotten.

then other times it's straightforward; one person talks, then it's the other person's turn, like here in C1. then u don't get confused who is saying what.

Hi all,
how dangerous can this be for the inexperienced person partnering or retrieving? I have never done such so I am the wrong person to ask.
Hugs,
Nanner

Hi Nanner,

We are never alone but always in some communication with superior intelligences who have the overview and experience to guide us.

There is preparation that most persons need, although some report retrieving before they knew it was anything more than a dream. I'd suggest the preparation that reading Monroe or Moen will provide.

Accepting Guidance builds your trust in yourself and these sources, because they will probably start you on simpler situations before sending you into more awkward ones.  The Helpers who accompany you are there to assist you as well as to work with the retrievee. I've never sensed any danger, and I had some big fears when I first came here.  :o  :-[   :)

It's hard to turn the controls over to some invisible source, so the helpers show up in forms that retrievers and retrievees can identify with. It's like being cast in a play at first  :)  Eventually you'll direct the retrievals on your own, probably much sooner than I did! It's exhilarating!

Bets

Can a consciousness which returns to Earth because it wishes to help retrieve others be lost/stuck itself when it dies?
:o

wrote on Feb 13^th, 2008 at 12:46am:

Can a consciousness which returns to Earth because it wishes to help retrieve others be lost/stuck itself when it dies? :o

hi, nice face. no, I don't believe this would happen because that sort of person is most likely too aware of the afterlife and the spirit to be needing retrieval.

just in the most general sense I observe sudden departures are the areas where a retriever would most likely be brought to.

heres an example from Bruce's books: a retrieval during a workshop was done. a man was found floating in the ocean near some broken ship pieces..he clung to one of the pieces and thought he was still clinging to life, trying to stay alive. He did depart from his body of physical, however, he did not realize that he had transitioned.
since time does not really go by in the close astral plane or bst, it is a bit like suspended animation, here on Earth much linear clock time goes by..the man would not be aware of time going by.  Awakening him to the fact that he has transitioned is the job of the retriever then he is moved into, or out of that death circumstance.

the will to survive is very strong in this case and created that environment, as the mind is a very creative thing, both on this side and the other side.

the more aware a person is that we do survive death, the more likely it is that they will not become stuck in a sudden, or accidental type transition where they are totally unprepared.
love, alysia

LaffingRain wrote on Feb 13^th, 2008 at 4:13am:

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the will to survive is very strong in this case and created that environment, as the mind is a very creative thing, both on this side and the other side.

the more aware a person is that we do survive death, the more likely it is that they will not become stuck in a sudden, or accidental type transition where they are totally unprepared.
love, alysia[/quote]

Alysia;
This is nice i like it..The will to survive is very strong..
An since we and a few others here know that we will survive death; the only real preparation that i need in my part is who get what..lol
I will miss my guitar; but then i can consciously make/ask for another one there; and make celestial music...otherwise...watch out here i come.. ;D
Yes; material things hey...:)
Much love dear Soul
Romain

Romain, there is an exact duplicate of that guitar in the astral, just by the details you have in your mind, you duplicate it's essence, from the creative material, and the thing is appearing very solid as the one you have here.

amazing thought huh?  :) I like my guitar too. it's black with green embossed. pawn shop Yamaha. whoops off topic. I'll meet u on the other side, we'll do a tune, but Romain, we will not do "the news is out that you've been seen out running around"   ;D the one u sent me!
lol. I had a good laff with that.

LR... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Your too much..completely forgot about "Running around"...glad you like it ..:)

Hope the original poster for this tread read the infomation on explain retreival..before getting into this part...or he'll be  >:(
were way out of topic/subject here..

r.