Greetings,

Afterlife explorers have proven to themselves and to fellow explorers that they are able to visualize non-physical energies. (Related work is now also being done in medical treatments with the blind.)

Yet some newbies and skeptics seem fearful of taking this step,  perhaps because using 'imagination' seems to be fantasizing, creating a fictional setting or hallucination.
Two reasons brought my attention to this topic--

1 )  enough experience now exists with NDEs, and various out-of the physical explorations to proove that 'out there' is not a fantasyland !  Reports are too consistent and too coherent. Entities of a powerful and loving energy do exist in non-physical realms !

2)  Could we use this thread to jot down some of our tests or conclusions regarding what we've perceived in the non-physical 'afterlife' realms, even though we're not waiting until after life to experience them.

Please add yours.

Thanks, Bets  

Greetings,

:)  OK, here's one---

When I go out I set my intent to meet others from this site.  When a field of light approaches,  
I used to have to ask my Higher Self or guide if it was someone I knew. There are about six people from here that I have met several times, and my HS/Guide identitifies. I see them as areas of light, not as a light-filled human form. I assume this means that they and I have shed the first two subtle bodies and we are perceiving each other in the third vibratory level.

However I seem to be able to tell now who it will be  because of their visual and energetic fields. The visual fields vary by intensity/brightness, by overall shape, and by color or combination of colors. I still ask for verification from my HS/G though, because I'm not sure how much change there might be.  Perhaps their mood or recent events in their lives have altered their fields.

Do you know through your experience or reading whether these images of individuals' energy fields stay constant?  or are we perceiving what we sense about them, which would also include their temporary changeable moods?

Maybe it's all --heheh---immaterial.  :D

Bets

;D maybe it's all immaterial, good one Bets!

we are changeable creatures, no doubt about that. I'm not who I was yesterday even, so we can assume a perception is always a partial view as well the colors we might see, as the aura are a shifting thing due to whatever a person is thinking, feeling, experiencing in their C1 life at the time.

then we get into this quandary, that since it's a partial view, it cannot be a real location, as only real locations can be physical.  ::)

maybe thats why a collection of journeys is good to file away for easy reference later, as it could put a piecing piece together with another journey of partial reality.

to come back to your initial question and sharing; heres my input how I see others out there, the same, usually from this board, but occassionally from my life outside of this board, like clients, neighbors, other forums, etc.

I don't think I've ever seen others as simply light beings like you do, with the energy signature.
rather I see their actual face and occassionally hear their actual tone of voice and this relays to me their identity signature. later, if they are someone I just met, I can attain a photo and see if the image was correct. this does not mean to be 100% effective, as some assume a desirable form body when surfing around, when you look at a picture, it's not them, but you are certain that it was their energy signature because in the interaction of the dialogue the same things discussed were things discussed on the forum.

also there is my pattern of observing body language out there to perceive that as a valid communication. this is even better for me, because theres no mistaking it's them, as their energy signature conveys this is the way they would move or act in person, in C1.
just a knowing, like putting one and one together, a bunch of perceptions that fit together as a signature.
I must admit I'm perplexed by the body language though. I think the need for it arises as articulating language out there is difficult if not downright impossible at times. I think language is basically an invention for C1 brain communication.

yet some movements I see just don't compute. no comprendo. nada. but still I remember, and I file it away for later reference.

most of my excursions I'm sorry to say are still involuntary, like my strings are being pulled again. except in PE, thats total C1 and intentional probing thing.
yet both are yielding value and expanding awareness.

I frequently see all of us, or am aware of all of us during my sleep periods, standing around yapping about things that happen on this board, as if it were a real station in the astral and the notation is that yes, things are happening on this board and discussed in another location, where insight is more accessible and PUL is also felt in greater measure out there. If I wake up happy, something has happened!
waking up happy is almost a habit by now.

love, alysia

That's a good method, LR.

It sounds alot more focused than my swishing about.

:-[ Just please don't determine too much about me by the body language of my stumbly old hulk! My spirit is much freer and more active than I appear on C1  !

Bets

Alysia wrote:
"observing body language out there"

In Bruce's workshop last year in Germany we had a related case. One participant was trying to contact a deceased person known by another participant. When the contactor told about the meeting, at first glance there seemed not to be a convincing hit, but then the contactor mimiced spontaneously a hand movement of the person the contactor had seen in meditation, and immediately the other participant acknowledged it as to be quite typical for the deceased target-person.

Spooky

My experience is fairly limited Bets, but different too. Several sorts:

A form of what feels like dreaming in a state close to sleep except that it's a lot more realistic, and of course conscious. The view feels a bit like normal physical - like looking into the reality except that the forms are usually (sometimes it's full colour) against a black background. I've never looked down to see what I look like.

Unintended manifestation of objects like my violet healing ball reported recently in a separate thread.

The visual experience of being immersed in white or golden light while meditating, it can be very intense and gets more so using kundalini breathing techniques. Happens eyes open or shut.

Snatches of words and flickers of movement and light in the corner of my eyes in normal consciousness - I've never been able to catch anything properly though. (probably senility induced ::))

I've never experienced anything obviously sentinent like a guide or anything except in the dream state above except where I have set out to give form to an aspect of mind when meditating (e.g. the cause of say a fatigue issue) - whether in light form or otherwise.

This latter is interesting, in that the Chod practice I posted about which requires this entails intentional visualisation, as do many Tantric Buddhist practices. On the one hand I'm cautious about the likely reality of something I've visualised, but at another level the image emerges from somewhere and it's form is a complete surprise. i.e. if I'm doing it it's at a level that's wholly unconscious.

I don't as before frequent afterlife realms with the ease you guys seem to.

While not of my direct making I've had some spectacular contacts by deceased relatives and heart friends via a psychic lady who did  tarot readings for me - the descriptions and messages she passed on left no room whatsoever for doubt.

A word of caution on this stuff too. On the positive side my experience these sorts of mind states  seem  to be around at times of great transformation or opening. The Tibetan Vajrayana teachings work in this space to produce rapid progress towards enlightenment.

On the other hand they also caution that it's risky territory. Especially that it's important not to get sucked into grasping after 'peak' experience. i.e. If it happens it happens, draw the lesson and just get back to the knitting of meditation and whatever practice  you are supposed to be on. If you're going to work in this space then correct method and path and adherence to these are essential...