Hmmm, depending on how one interprets the bible, it can be read as being "right there" infront of the eyes, that "the afterlife" exsists however most take it as being a "death sentence" out of disobedience and act accordingly to that thought process.

Take a look at it from that viewpoint for a moment. Not reading the verses from a religious standpoint but rather a non biased spiritual one.

• The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. Psalms 22:26
  

• Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever. Psalms 23:6
  

• Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore. Psalms 37:27
  

• The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore. Psalms 121:8
  

• Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Isaiah 26:19
  

• Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24
  

• Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47
  

• Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26
  

• To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Romans 2:7
  

• For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 1 Timothy 4:8
  

Just a few of many references to "eternal life" meaning that after the "life of the body there is a continuation". Can anyone relate some of the teachings of Bruce to these phrases. As Bruce and all the other wonderful teachers simply "use" different words of today for the same topic.  

Reading it that way - one like myself, would just have to come to the conclusion that the translation of the bible was meant as a guide to understand the difference between a healthy "(spiritual) life" verses that of an "unhealthy (spiritual) life".

Ladies and Gents - your comments please.  :-?

Nanner

There is great power in these teachings.

Especially when one reads this: http://www.worlditc.org/h_07_meek_spiri_099.htm

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Instances of Direct Voice in the Bible

Vice Admiral Usborne Moore in 1913 reported on extensive research with the direct voice abilities of Mrs. Wreidt of Detroit during the two extended visits she made to England. (See the Bibliography.)

As a part of his literature research Admiral Moore made a very careful study of psychic phenomena in the Bible. He pointed out that it is extremely difficult to distinguish between direct voices, voices in visions and clairaudience. However, it was his opinion that most readers with any personal experience with direct voice would conclude that this phenomenon was involved in each of these instances: -

Genesis iii,9; iv, 9; vi, 13; xii, 1-8; xvii, ~ 1, xviii, 5; xvii, 17; xix, 2; xxi, 17; ccii, 11; xxvi, 2; xxvi, 24; xxxii, 26; xxxv, 1; xxxv, 9.

Exodus  iii, 4; iv, 2; iv, 27; chs. vi-xxii frequent; ch.xix; xxxiii, 9.

Numbers xii, 4; xvi, 20; xx, 7; xxii, 28.

Deuteronomy xxxi, 14; xxxiv, 4.

Joshua v, 14.

Judges vi, 12; xiii, 3.

1 Samuel iii, 4; xv, 10; xvi, 7.

2 Samuel ii, 1.

1 Kings ix, 3; xvii, 3; xix, 9-12.

Ezekiel i, 28; ii, 3.

St. Matthew iii, 17; xvii, 5; xxviii, 5; xxvii, 18.

St. Mark ix, 7; xvi, 14, 15.

St. Luke i, 13; i, 28; ii, 10; iii, 22; xxii, 43; xxiv, 5; xxiv, 17; xxiv, 36-50.

St. John xx, 13; xx, 19; xxi, 5-23.

Acts i, 11; viii, 26; ix, 4; xii, 7; xxvii, 24.

1 Corinthians xii, 10.

2 Corinthians xii, 4.

I find it`s all about "how one reads the scriptures". Some identify the words as being teaching of horridness, warnings etc. out of another epoch and some read them as being an inspiration and message left behind the only way which was known how to speak in that epoch.

Nanner wrote on Jan 29^th, 2008 at 9:14am:

Hmmm, depending on how one interprets the bible, it can be read as being "right there" infront of the eyes, that "the afterlife" exsists however most take it as being a "death sentence" out of disobedience and act accordingly to that thought process. Take a look at it from that viewpoint for a moment. Not reading the verses from a religious standpoint but rather a non biased spiritual one. The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. Psalms 22:26 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever. Psalms 23:6 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore. Psalms 37:27 The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore. Psalms 121:8 Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Isaiah 26:19 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Romans 2:7 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 1 Timothy 4:8 Just a few of many references to "eternal life" meaning that after the "life of the body there is a continuation". Can anyone relate some of the teachings of Bruce to these phrases. As Bruce and all the other wonderful teachers simply "use" different words of today for the same topic.   Reading it that way - one like myself, would just have to come to the conclusion that the translation of the bible was meant as a guide to understand the difference between a healthy "(spiritual) life" verses that of an "unhealthy (spiritual) life". Ladies and Gents - your comments please.  :-? Nanner

 Hi Nanner, i believe some of the Bible quotes are referring to the nonphysical dimensions and life continuum.    Some are referring to the creative nature of certain choices and their creative fruits, i.e. they are "life giving", and this can be taken in both literal and symbolic ways, and vice versa with other choices beign "death giving", meaning both literal for incarnate humans and symbolically meaning a limited awareness and consciousness, a temporary loss of consciousness.

 Then this leads to more particularly some of Yeshua's sayings about eternal life.   Some of these i believe, where referring the fusion of both the literal and symbolic aspects of the above.   Hence full awareness and continuuity of consicousness.  

 This has the affect, for a "human" to transcend what is considered by the collective incarnate humans as "natural laws" of life, death, etc.  

  Meaning pretty simply, that if you really live like Yeshua did, like him you will transcend physical death, and be both active and aware in "physical" and in "nonphysical", and its really  that the differences between the two melt away.   Your perceptions and your experiences of the physical change.  

 It's like you are not living in the holograpic projection anymore (the physical), but now totally operating from the Light behind, beyond the projection.  

 So, physical death just doesn't happen.   This is the truest indication of a spiritual teacher and their degree of attunement to Source and to PUL.    If they transcend physical death, and "glorify" the physical body, the holograpic projection.  

  The only difference between what we call physical energies, and nonphysical energies, are in the vibrational rates and polarity balance ratios.     So, if we live like Yeshua did, we can speed up the vibrations of what we perceive in error as "physical", and release back into its true nature, pure Light.    

 Life is awareness and consicousness, Light is awareness and consciousness and connectedness, Love is awareness and consciousness, and connectedness.    So, if we are cocnentrating our awareness in the stream of vibrations called physical, we can, we have the potential, if we live and choose LIFE giving choices, to become life personified.    This translates materially into "non death" both physically speaking, and having no loss of consciousness or awareness.   We then open up to all awareness of all dimensions simultaneously, and in a perfectly balanced manner.  

 Yeshua taught and brought some very deep stuff into the World.   It was a fulfillment of the earlier promises giving to the Jewish people.   A lot of teachers before him, both Western and Eastern had been perceiving (to various degrees) and talking about such things, but he was the one to live it to the nth degree, and in doing so transcended all that is limiting and unCreative.

  The last to be overcome in this world is physical death...if you attune to Source and PUL enough (both in degree and in consistency).


 Or, if one doesn't like a Biblical approach, then you can check out Bob Monroe's last book.  In his last book, he talks about asking his Greater self to meet the most spiritually mature person living in his time space cycle.   He was told ok, but it might not be what you expect.  

 He ends up talking to someone who for all appearances is physically alive and incarnate like we are, but who is some 1800 years old, hasn't "recycled" (reincarnated) in that time period, doesn't need to eat nor sleep anymore, and has total mastery and control of their energies.

 Btw, this same person, seems to hint that there will be severe and challenging changes coming to humanity, stuff that will force "recognized necessity" upon humanity.   This person seems to hint that's the reason for (it's) waiting, the time will come.  

 

Hey Justin, thanks for that. Pls. define "recognized necessity"  for me. Gimmie Gimmi Gimmie all you got. Sock it to me. I`m standing here with my catchers glove.
Nanner

 Hi Nanner, unfortunately neither Monroe or the some 1800 year old person he talked to, give any details about what exactly recognized necessity means.  

 I can give you the page numbers of their interesting meet up and conversation--In Ultimate Journey, you can find this account from page 51 to 55.  

 I'm not going to put words in Monroe's or "He/She's" mouth..  but i can tell you what i believe is and will become recognized necessity.  

 Pretty simple, and i will use an analogy.   Ever meet one of those very bickering families, where there is a lot of anger, indifference, selfishness, and little harmony and cooperation?

  Say perhaps, this family just has a hard time getting its act together, and so on some level they choose or have chosen an outside event, condition, or what not, to act as a catalyst for them to learn how to treat each other with mutual love, respect, consideration, etc.

 Say the one thing that the whole family does agree upon, like, and love, is sweet Grandma who never hurt anyone.    Say Grandma starts to get real sick, critically so, and everyone else in the family is strongly affected by this, and wants to see her better and healed.  

  This challenging outer catalyst, could potentially have the affect of bringing the family together in a united way, towards the same agreed upon and fundamentally important (to them) goal, to help Grandma get well or at the very least provide a nice, comfortable atmosphere to pass on in.  

 Why, because while they can't seem to get along with themselves, they all love and are attached to Grandma.   It's the area wherein there is the most obvious similarity and unity in.  

  So, hopefully the once bickering family, starts working as a more unified team in trying to help Grandma, in doing so, they start to realize their essential unity with each other, they start to experience more outer and inner harmony, which leads to the realization on behalf of most, all or some of them that, "by golly, this feels good, and we're getting stuff accomplished here.  Why did we ever bicker and fight so much in the first place?  Hmm, we're much more connected and similar than i had thought..."

 What exactly will be the catalyst for humanity, as the bickering family?   I don't know exactly the severity, and the times of same, but i do know that it will be collectively/universally challenging, and it can potentially act as a powerful outer catalyst for us to work together for the same, basic, universal goal that we all desire.   We will have to work together in order to just achieve basic body survival, and this will lead to some realizations as in the above analogy.  

Nothing like hard times to help bring people together in a more unified way.