I was reading articles from the following site http://www.jenseits-de.com/ and a few points scared me a little.

The author, Peter goes on to mention that his spirit guide, Sara described the concept of fate and that before we enter earth life everybodies destiny and life path so to speak are pre-determined.

In a nutshell he goes on to mention that free will is just an illusion of this life.  

What I find hard to grasp is that from the things I have read about the after life there are many contradictory accounts of what it will be like.

I just would be interested to hear from people who have been there first hand who could give me some valuable insights?

Love

Jammy :)

Hi Jammy,

Personally, I think there are many illusions in this world.  I think it comes from what our individual perception of reality is.  I feel though there has to be a common source of reality and the only thing I feel or think at the moment that can be is love.  I know we don't all act in loving ways all the time, but we are all born of love.  I believe when we are born into this world that is all we know...this world gives us the illusion of hate, fear, jealousy and what not.  

About our life being predetermined.  I think some of it may be.  I think there are things we've decided we wanted to experience here on this earth and one way or another we experience them.  But I do believe in free-will and that we always have choices.  Somethings and experiences are determined, such as being born to the parents we have and the family we are in.  But, there are many choices we can make which will shape our lives.  Lets say for example choosing to forgive someone who has hurt us in some way.  If we forgive, it changes our life and the person who we are giving that forgiveness too.  You may not always see these things, but that's part of the mystery of this life.

It's funny...I almost died twice.  A few months after the first time I was supposed to die, I went to this psychic profiler.  When I sat with her, she looked at me funny and told me that I wasn't supposed to be here, that I was supposed to die on 12/21.  Well that completely took me back, because 12/21 was the day I had my NDE.  So that did make me think about what is destined.  It made me think that we do choose certain life experiences, also made me think we maybe determine a few exit points.  I know I was pushed back here and she told me that too.  My work is not done here, so I had to come back.  I don't know if that was my choice or not.  I do believe that some things just need to be left a mystery, but I know I do have choices everyday.  I think the choices are pretty much always to be of love or of any other false illusion.  Not sure if this all makes sense.

As far as the afterlife.   I've been places in my NDE's and OBE's but I've always remained close to the earth I guess.  I never saw what I've always pictured as "Heaven".  The only thing I can tell you, is that those experiences gave me a strong conviction that there is an afterlife and we do never die.  Dieing is all an illusion of this physical world we live in.

Hi Jammy-
In a sense, everything in the material world arises out of nothing by way of some process that we generally call "God", and which is also our own source. It all begins as a single thing, which suggests rather strongly that we are all God - but we had to forget about that part in order to be people.

Given our ultimate nature, if you consider that we are all capable of manufacturing our own version of "the meaning of life the universe and everything" and projecting it into the astral world, it seems less strange that we differ. Perhaps the amazing thing is that we still agree on the core properties of the afterlife.

On the other hand, maybe all those different impressions are simply the way that it looks as we return to our Source, to await our turn on the wheel of incarnations.

dave

Jammy:

Often it is better to find out for ourselves, rather than relying on what other people have to say.

If we try to figure things out by reading what others have to say, eventually we'll end up with a collection of opinions. When we experience opinions, no matter how well we seem to put them together, we don't experience reality itself. The only way to really figure things out, is to tap into universal mind and see what truth itself tells us.

I can't say that I've reached the point where I understand things completely according to universal mind's perspective. However, whenever I have done so, what I understood was an automatic knowing that didn't require me to take part in a mental jumbling act where I tried to juggle the various viewpoints I've collected. The understanding I would have was effortless.

How do we get to the point where we can tap into universal mind? By finding where security, happiness, peace and love can really be found, because it is our false way of seeking these attributes that causes us to cling to belief system based (non?) understandtings, rather than tuning into a real way of understanding.

I will say that I like Bruce Moen's books. I don't know if they are 100% correct because I haven't experienced everything he experienced. Plus, each of us is likely to get some things wrong as we try to figure things out.

Regarding free will, live your life as if you do have freewill. ;)

Hi Jammy,

One concept of free will I'm thinking alot about these days is that the Best way for your life to unfold is preplanned, then if you make mistakes or variations, you lose some of the good that was laid out for you.

In this concept, there is a narrow path, but you can do sightseeing or foolish stuff, it just takes longer to get to the Destination if you do.  :)

Nice to see you back!

Bets

Jammy1987 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2008 at 10:23am:

his spirit guide, Sara described the concept of fate and that before we enter earth life everybodies destiny and life path so to speak are pre-determined. In a nutshell he goes on to mention that free will is just an illusion of this life.

Jammy,

From my experience I would say that too little information may cause too much misinformation.  From what I have found in my own explorations of this issue I would say that before we come here almost all of us make decisions about our destiny and life path.  We examine our options, explore the probabilities of our life situations and circumstances, and make some decisions about what our "fate" during this next lifetime will be.  We then enter into that lifetime in which some facets of that lifetime are predetermined, by us.  So, from one perspective I could agree that once I have entered a lifetime, because of some of the decisions I have made before entering it free will is just an illusion of this life as you say.  But from a broader perspective since I am the one who predetermined my lifetime experience free will is not an illusion.

Bruce

I love paradoxes.

Just to echo Bruce from a slightly different angle, the animal part of you is totally and completely programmed by standard conditioning processes. The awareness with which you operate can view life from that level, as do those who are apathetic or mentally incompetent in the present life. However, to the degree that you act as God you are 100% creative and free of animal conditioning, but subject to the state of your attitude, which is developing through many lifetimes and karma. We act as God when some part of our motivation reflects the knowledge that we are from God and that we manifest God, and that we return to God etc, so that we incorporate that viewpoint into what we do. In the spirit world, it seems that we are absorbed back into Godhead to whatever degree we allow it, which is where we make life script decisions.

In a practical sense, I notice that my own life has had many "escape hatches" built in. These seem to be ways to get out, but are unused because I seem to not need them at the moment. They range from almost getting into terrble car wrecks, to almost dying of typhus, to nearly dying of toxic pneumonitis, to almost crashing my airplane and on and on. They obviously arise from my own life script. I kinda wonder how I've arranged my final exit.

Fortunately, if I screw up, Bruce can retrieve me. ;-)

dave

Hi jammy and all  I had an argument with my priest i see every week because i said to him that it's not God's fault what happen's in the world like suffering murders and all that kind of stuff and then my priest asked me whether i blamed God for things like earthquakes and tidal waves ect.,and i said no as it's down to nature,so my priest said to me"well surely Gods got to take responsibility for that,he's suppossed to be this great spirit in the sky that's supposed to be able to stop these things from happening",so i said to my priest,"You chose to come here and to be a priest and you are a spirit and you are here to learn the same as the rest of us and also God gave us all freewill,so God is not to blame for nothing and disasters are down to nature," and my preist said to me that i have a special gift as no matter how much i have suffered and all suffering in the world, my love and faith in God is very strong 





Make me a channel of your peace
Where there is hatred let me bring love
Where there is injury, your pardon Lord
 And where there is doubt, true faith in You.                                                                      

Make me a channel of your peace
Where there's despair in life let me bring hope
Where there is darkness, only light
And where there’s sadness ever joy.

Oh, Master grant that I may never seek
So much to be consoled as to console
To be understood as to understand
To be loved as to love with all my soul.

Make me a channel of your peace
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
It is in giving to all man that we receive
And in dying that we're born to eternal life  

Love and God bless   love juditha