Hi ladys and gents,
I should already still be in bed, but just missed you all so much that I got back out of it. (Thats strange, but I hope you`re happy that I`m hooked on you)  ;)

My thoughts were these. How does "Prophecy and the afterlife" combine with each other. The term "prophecy" has really been reserved for the more religious roads in the past thus the term "prophet", right? However the word Prophecy is also being used in reference to non-religious persons whom must be getting their "info" from somewhere?

Can one say that people whom have the ability to "prohet" anything at all, must have a connection of some sort to the afterlife so to be able to "see" these things?

Hmmm  :-?
Nanner

I'm not too sure on this. The area I can describe is use of the tarot. I get very clear information clarifying current situations I'm not seeing so clearly, but indications of the future seem to be rather hazy and non specific at best. And nothing like so reliable either.

My 'seeing' of the afterlife is patchy in that I have to be in just the right mood and even then it's not cinerama as I've said before. My experience in this case too seems to be more to do with explanation and communication than prediction.

I've no idea how those that are better at prediction receive their input, but my sense is that maybe it comes in via a different channel, or on a different wavelength metaphorically speaking than the above.

To theorise. The states of consciousness in which most seem to experience 'seeing' in afterlife terms is still space/time based. i.e. not that far removed in frequency terms from the physical. Higher states eventually become no space/no time in nature - presumably where past, present and future start to merge, and where perhaps prediction comes from? My experience though is that while I can reach light filled states like this in meditation there's so far been no communication.

The Monroe focus levels may be another way of looking at this question, although i'm not familiar enough with them to theorise....

Can we look at those whom can Prophet successfully as being "proof" that there is an afterlife?
Nanner

Greetings,

I used to keep clairvoyants' published yearly prophecies to save and read at the end of the year. Huh--- Nuttin matched the actual events--worse than weather forecasters! How they kept their businesses going, I don't know.  ;) When I started reading Bruce's work, I kept a suspicious eye out for any prophecies, but he doesn't do that, thank goodness!

Maybe I'm off topic on this, but the best 'prophets' I know are the personal channels to the spiritual that we anthropomorphise to be Spiritual Guides.  The best method I know on how to tell which visions etc they sent were true is hindsight.  :)

I don't mean single topic insights, like 'you will become a mother,' etc, but perhaps situations that have been revealed in several visions that are months or years apart. The revelations seem mainly to let one know that they are being guided. They give brief but vivid, memorable glimpses but do not reveal dates or other
specifics. This is enough for me.

'Prophets' who need extremely involved interpretations also don't interest me. What is the purpose of all that complicated translation? I think it's so that they can find a few people who have the leisure time and curiosity that might pay them to take into membership of some 'secret' society--with high dues$$.

Guess what I'm suggesting is, the best way is to listen to your own Guides, and they come in clearer when we love them/love ourselves/ love our Supreme Source.

Love, Bets

Nanner

If as you note we set aside the religious connotation of prophet then the more appropriate term would be 'clairvoyant'; foreseeing the future, perceiving things beyond the natural range of the senses.

(As I was posting this I noticed that betson had just posted also using the term)

I guess it depends on what is meant by "successfully". As for the "info", there are many possibilities. The most basic starting point is in assessing whether the information is the result of projection or reception. Effective assessment of this would require a study of the clairvoyant him or herself. What is the psychological dynamic involved in their person? Knowing such would give us an idea as to their interpretations in the sense of what they are referencing and whether the reference is neutral (meaning that it is general enough to possibly qualify as a applicable to many others) or whether the reference is actually a 'self-looping', a specialized interpretation of reference intended more for the clairvoyant's benefit than anyone else.

Example:

Clairvoyant "A" says that the world will come to an end tomorrow at 12 p.m. Next day rolls around and at 11:59 am clairvoyant A has a heart attack. The world did come to an end--for him. Possibly a subconscious signal/alert from A's subconscious that was interpreted as an external event for everyone but was actually quite specific. RIP.

Clairvoyant "B" - let's put her location in Nebraska - says that tomorrow there's going to be a powerful earthquake. Tomorrow rolls around and there is an earthquake but it's on a small, populated island in the Pacific Ocean. For the islanders it was scary and powerful enough, some people got hurt and a couple of them died. In this case we could entertain the possibility that B was somehow privy to information that was not self-looping, the signals of this forthcoming event were somehow received by her regardless of her distance from the actual event.

As you can see, there would be many variations on this and when it comes to the ideas of an afterlife it's an even more suspended proposition since apart from personal validations here and there it's difficult to claim certitudes as material as earthquakes and so on.

Afterlife states are indeed possible, I believe that myself. But again due to its remoteness in contrast with the material environs it more often than not remains a personal concern. Thus you can see the benefit of clarifying whether an individual who is clairvoyant is operating from a specific/personal or general/impersonal premise.


Desert  

Thank you Desert, I`ll comment a little longer post in a few regarding your post.

As for being clairvoyant silly style, I am having some strange but "exciting" things happen in the form of dreams. This is a good one for our Old Dood too. I dont know if it to show me that `"I`ve got it" or why its happening...lol...

Last night I dreamt of a bycle.
A bycle which was thrown over our back fence.

Its been raining here in germany like cats and dogs for several weeks on and off, I`m sure Spooky can testify to that, how ever I felt it was "strange" that I dreamt of a "bike and a fence". Well looking out the back porch window this morning, I noticed that our smallest boys bike is perched on the "other side" of the fence - and when I looked at the view,  immediately the dream flashed back into me and I said "Geez, thats the new bike we bought him for his birthday" and it need not stand in the rain and be ruined!

I dreamt of that friggin bike Desert and was basically told where it was so to throw it back over the fence!...lol... Soooo so neat.

and ...I`m gonna get that bugger of ours, for leaving it out there to begin with...lol..

Hugs,
Nanner